Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 

That is the day that they would prefer to march on to cause as much disruption as possible.

If they can only march on other days then we could well end up with counter protest if you want to call them that by neo nazi thugs such as the national front and the bnp which would then get the anti nazi league involved and the would be mayhem.

They should not be allowed to march down that towns streets under any circumstances, if they want to march let them march in London or a garrison town.

Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 

now that would make sense ,but from their point of view it won't have such an impact

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Originally Posted by SMG http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/im...s/viewpost.gif
I wish I was young again, & knew everything.
I think your post shows that you have no idea, & from your post, I`m glad your not in anymore.



Your reply to my post makes absolutely no sense m8. I have no idea what your trying to say?

Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 

If they marched through a garrison town like Aldershot, Hereford or Catterick I think that the would be one hell of an impact.;)

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you have said i don't know what they're fighting for ,so please educate me ,tell me why our soldiers are fighting and dying if it's not to defend our freedom


i'll await your answer with interest tomorrow ..off to bed now

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This country is fighting a war. Now whether you agree with it or not, its happening. If anyone wants to stop it, lobby the government, demonstrate against them. You don't shoot the messenger.

We currently have a forces recruitment shortage, we need young men & women, demonstrations like this do not enhance recruitment. We are currently engaged in so many overseas conflicts, as peacekeepers, advisers, yes even combatants. Most in places some of you have never heard of.

Our forces are following orders. Orders from a democratically elected government. Now this government may be weak at the knees, they may be selling our culture, heritage, history & way of life down the river, but to change anything starts with the ballot box.

Unfortunately, the ballot box has failed, the government has failed, & is continuing to fail on a daily basis. Muslims are walking all over us & demanding more & more. Marching on this little town would be the final straw. It only takes a spark to set a fire. This is far too volatile to allow.

There is so much more to this than just a protest. Personally, I`m sick & tired of hearing about Muslims. Muslim this & Muslim that. For crying out loud, just get on with your own life & stop trying to change ours.

Not many of you have ever been involved in a conflict, so you know nothing. I can tell you this, when lads come home, on leave, some after bagging their friends body up, & see these, *****s demonstrating against them, tempers will rise. No discipline in the world will overcome the emotions.



---------- Post added at 23:45 ---------- Previous post was at 23:42 ----------

OK. This started with Earls post.


You replied,

I said,


You replied,



Let me take a guess, could it be Freedom?


Give that boy a chocolate teapot & send him on his way.

Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 

Now now girls, lets all kiss and make up. I have not got time to sit at a computer all day but this post, from my last visit, has become very heated. Right or wrong, this march should not be allowed to happen. It will offend most of the UK born citizens who hold christian values, unless someone comes back and tells me this is a fantasy and I have to back this statement up with Mori poll facts.

Re: Islamic group's plan to march through Wootton Bassett
 

they could easily stop it happening at the same time as the police could easily persude a judge that a breach of the peace may occur if that was allowed

but if they want to march at any other time then so be it

just ignore them if the press and every one else just didnt bother to turnm up they would soon give up on doing it again

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Do you really believe British servicemen and women fight and die for other people's freedoms ? Are you really that naive ?

I'll let you in on a secret, though it's not really a secret....

When I was in the army back in the 80's and 90's, I and my mates didn't really give a toss about Kuwait or Saudi when Op Granby started. We had been given a job to do, and we cracked on, not really caring about the larger political implications of leaving Saddam and the Baath Party in power after kicking the crap out of the Iraqi Army.... It wasn't much of a war, but it was fun. ;)

The UN Mission in Bosnia during their Civil War was different. Lots of blokes who did time there wanted to get stuck in and give the Serbs a pasting. Again, not because of freedom and democracy, but because we hated seeing the Serbs murdering women, kids and old men and women. Doing that breaks the most basic code of the warrior. Add in the UN weapons embargo against the entire country and the Serbs ended up with the lions share of the military hardware and the ability to do as they pleased....

From speaking to a lifelong friend of mine, who is a Staff Sgt in one of the local TA infantry battalions. Who has done operational tours in both Iraq and Afghan, it seems similar sentiments are running through the army. Most agree that Iraq was a disaster, but Afghan is worth cracking on with.... From my own experience in Bosnia, I'm pretty sure the blokes in Afghan empathize with the plight of the average Afghan civi. But all the politicians talk in the UK about building democracy, putting girls in schools, etc etc etc is pretty much meaningless.... They are there to find and kill the enemy, others can do the building....

One last point before I finish....

We all recognize that when the troops get sent into harms way, and blood becomes the issue. We'll kill for you, but if we die, it's for our mates and the people we love. Not for Queen and Country, because that comcept is too big to rationalize....

I'll not be taking any further part in this discussion, as I've said more than I intended, and prolly caused some confusion as well....

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Well said that man.

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So basically, (some) soldiers are just looking for a 'bit of action'. Smashing...

Where exactly is the respect thing come supposed to come in?

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Read "The Earls" post again.

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I did. Several times. It didn't change.

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I was in the armed forces, early 70's. Not a troublesome time I agree, but I would try to discourage any family member of mine to give up his life for Queen and country. Family and mates yes. I can understand where The Earl is coming from. If this country was invaded I would do my best to protect "my way of life" not the Gordon Browns or the Queens.

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I can't believe I'm back in a thread I wanted to leave, but here I am....

All kinds of people join the army for all kinds of reasons....

A guy I was in the army cadets joined the Royal Engineers to get a trade, while he was in the army. Perfectly valid reason if you ask me....

Other people join up because they are bored of the jobs they where doing in civistreet, and decide they want to do something else.... Perfectly reasonable reason to join up I think....

Other people join up because they have nowhere else to go.... Again a perfectly valid reason to join up....

Me on the other hand.... It was a calling, or vocation or whatever its called.... I decided at about 12 or 13 I was gonna be a soldier, and then dedicated myself to attaining the very high target I set myself. If I hadn't broken my right shoulder, four ribs, my left collar bone, my jaw and fractured my skull I'd most likely still be in the army. Perhaps I might have even passed Selection which was my goal....

As for *some soldiers looking for a bit of action*.... What do you expect.... You join up, and if presented with the opportunity to test the skills you've trained for years, then you crack on and see if you can do the job you took The Queens Shilling to do....

To be completely blunt about it, and maybe ever shatter some people's rose coloured spectacles.... The first skills an soldier learns are those that enable you to kill other humans. Killing is the most basic function of a soldier. If you can't grasp that concept, then you really will never understand what I'm trying to say....