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denphone 06-07-2018 16:33
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Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier offers olive branch as Theresa May’s cabinet meets at Chequers.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...exit-red-lines

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The EU is prepared to change its Brexit position if Theresa May softens her negotiating red lines, Michel Barnier has said.

The offer from the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator could be seen as a strategic olive branch coming just as the prime minister tries to strike a deal between the warring sides of her cabinet at Chequers.

OLD BOY 06-07-2018 16:33
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em she hasn't even started trying to get a deal with EU it her own party she trying to do a deal at moment that what todays about you forgetting the FACTS again OB
What TM is trying to do as of today is thrash out the type of deal that would not betray the British electorate whilst being as close to what the EU will accept.

The EU have already rejected previous proposals, and so the idea is to seek a deal as close to what they may accept as possible, while divorcing ourselves from the EU, single market and customs union. That's what Cabinet are debating today and that will be put to the EU.

That's what I have been talking about. What have you been talking about?

You are trying to over-simplify the task ahead in dealing with the EU. It's difficult. Ask Jeremy, he'll know. :erm:

Dave42 06-07-2018 16:36
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How about Boris Johnson - http://uk.businessinsider.com/boris-...s-union-2018-1
How about Nigel Farage, Daniel Hannan, Owen Patterson and Arron Banks who favoured a Norway style relationship (single market) with the EU - https://quotebrexit.wordpress.com/20...single-market/

They all seemed keen a while back on the single market.
project fear oh hang on

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What TM is trying to do as of today is thrash out the type of deal that would not betray the British electorate whilst being as close to what the EU will accept.

The EU have already rejected previous proposals, and so the idea is to seek a deal as close to what they may accept as possible, while divorcing ourselves from the EU, single market and customs union. That's what Cabinet are debating today and that will be put to the EU.

That's what I have been talking about. What have you been talking about?

You are trying to over-simplify the [B]task ahead in dealing with the EU. It's difficult. Ask Jeremy, he'll know. :erm:
em please remind us who said it be easiest deal in history OB

OLD BOY 06-07-2018 16:40
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project fear oh hang on

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em please remind us who said it be easiest deal in history OB
Boris Johnson's quoted comments were before the referendum.

The electorate voted Brexit, and now he's batting for them.

What's wrong with that?

As for Nigel Farage, I will let him speak for himself. He is not in government and he is not part of these talks.

Dave42 06-07-2018 16:41
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Boris Johnson's quoted comments were before the referendum.

The electorate voted Brexit, and now he's batting for them.

What's wrong with that?

As for Nigel Farage, I will let him speak for himself. He is not in government and he is not part of these talks.
was not NF that said be easiest deal in history try again

OLD BOY 06-07-2018 16:41
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project fear oh hang on

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em please remind us who said it be easiest deal in history OB
If it wasn't for an intransigent EU and the lack of a majority in Parliament, it would be! It's a no-brainer, really.

Damien 06-07-2018 20:07
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It appears the Cabinet have agreed something. Embargoed conclusions were sent to journalists for reveal at 9pm.

OLD BOY 06-07-2018 20:10
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was not NF that said be easiest deal in history try again
Who said it was?😂

Dave42 06-07-2018 20:35
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Who said it was?��
you implied it or you refusing to answer

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It appears the Cabinet have agreed something. Embargoed conclusions were sent to journalists for reveal at 9pm.
less that 30 mins to go if true

Damien 06-07-2018 21:01
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https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/s...24521589600256

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Theresa May has today agreed the following 3 page Brexit deal with her cabinet for the softest possible Brexit

- Almost no concessions in the day, apparently
- EU rule book on goods
-“Labour mobility”, whatever that means

Dave42 06-07-2018 21:41
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Michel Barnier @MichelBarnier
13 minutes ago

#Chequers discussion on future to be welcomed. I look forward to White Paper. We will assess proposals to see if they are workable & realistic in view of #EUCO guidelines. Next negotiations w/ #UK on WP, & Withdrawal Agreement, w/c 16 July #Brexit

1andrew1 06-07-2018 22:54
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35953176)
What TM is trying to do as of today is thrash out the type of deal that would not betray the British electorate whilst being as close to what the EU will accept.

The EU have already rejected previous proposals, and so the idea is to seek a deal as close to what they may accept as possible, while divorcing ourselves from the EU, single market and customs union. That's what Cabinet are debating today and that will be put to the EU.

That's what I have been talking about. What have you been talking about?

You are trying to over-simplify the task ahead in dealing with the EU. It's difficult. Ask Jeremy, he'll know. :erm:
Are you pleased with what the Cabinet have decided, Old Boy?

daveeb 06-07-2018 23:02
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Are you pleased with what the Cabinet have decided, Old Boy?
I'll preempt OB's reply and say it's probably academic as the EU will doubtless say it's cherry picking and knock it back but seems like progress. Nice work Theresa and I never thought i'd have cause to say that !

Mr K 06-07-2018 23:51
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I'll preempt OB's reply and say it's probably academic as the EU will doubtless say it's cherry picking and knock it back but seems like progress. Nice work Theresa and I never thought i'd have cause to say that !
Yes she has done a rather good job of sidelining the Brexiters. They have been found out to have no plans or backbone. Operation save the UK from this disaster has had a good day :)

1andrew1 07-07-2018 00:35
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Yes she has done a rather good job of sidelining the Brexiters. They have been found out to have no plans or backbone. Operation save the UK from this disaster has had a good day :)
They brought it upon themselves through sheer laziness according to this article.
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The EU got up the morning after the vote and had a position pretty much like the one it has now. If you want Option A - lots of trade - you have to sign up to lots of alignment. If you want Option B - lots of independence - you have to accept loss of trade.
The counter-strategy of Brexiters around the Cabinet table could have involved preparation, organisation and the construction of viable alternatives. Instead, it has been to talk. They have talked incessantly, about the will of the people, about how 'no deal is better than a bad deal', about how 'they need us more than we need them', about imaginary WTO rules and trade deals with the US. But they have not done anything at all.
Whichever way they look, the hard Brexiters are seeing dead ends. Their tawdry dream is falling apart around them. They will blame everyone but themselves. They'll blame Europe or May or Remainers or the civil service or the media. But they should be more circumspect. Their current strategic weakness is a product of their own ineptitude. They are the authors of their own misfortune.
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2018...-see-dead-ends


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