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Dammit, wish I’d got in there first with that one.

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Sorry did they sign them , talking is not the same , look at the steel deal . Wasting money searching the world for anyone to keep illegals , didn't we have that sorted before these idiots took over. Trump is making him look stupid and that takes some doing :D Been told that UK steel deal is good . Then someone else says it could be ripped up. These are elected people, and they haven't a clue .!!!!!

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Very true. My only thought is personally to leave and head back home is out of the frying pan and into the fire. France is looking better by the day . Pity about the eu . Wonder if favourite granddaughter fancies Canada :erm:

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With talk of Nigel 'Liz Truss in Trousers' Farage being the next PM, I assume you're sensibly seeking to evade the inevitable economic crash. You won't be the only one.

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The Conservatives signed those terms, Starmer just extended them.

Nope, Rwanda never worked and no one was sent there.

Trump can never make anyone look stupid but few politicians needs any help to do that!

Not anyone else's fault other than Trump's if he rips up deals willy nilly. He's acting like a rogue state at least we seem to be on better terms with him than many other countries. Starmer and the Royal Family should be given credit for that.

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Unfolds being a good term. ;)

Very selfish of her. :D

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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1748705241

:D

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Mic drop :rofl:

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That's just it. Bullshittng Boris has proven time and time again he WILL do it again.

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Well, Mrs Pierre qualifies for a Canadian passport via her Grandmother, so she’s going to explore that option.

Not so much for us, but for our kids.

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:LOL::LOL::clap::clap:

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Well, we know Badenough won't last four years in her current role!

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So Sir Keir is following the tories lead , perhaps he's a torie in sheep's clothing :D

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That's one way of looking at it...

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Speaking of which…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1748775556

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1748775556

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Seems to me she writes a lot of sense. Care to list what you think incorrect :erm:

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Rwanda wasn’t even given a chance to work.

All the legal hurdles should have been removed in order to implement it. That should have been done at the time the Bill passed.

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I am not surprised that it seems to you that she writes a lot of sense...

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You avoided the question though ...

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Was never intended to happen, it was just a scam to fool people into voting Conservative. It was an expensive waste of tax payers' money.

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You can’t debate emotive conspiracy theories presented without supporting evidence (such as "British Institutions captured by leftist ideologies", "they hate Western Civilisation, they hate families, they hate the Nation", and the old anti-Semitic trope of the "globalist network").

Truss is basically following the MAGA playbook of blaming her, and the countries, problems, on "the others" - it’s always someone else’s fault.

The "Great Restoration" is basically expelling all non-white immigrants, and returning to a nostalgic idealised past of cultural purity, where people were happy and "knew their place"…

The irony of Truss saying she attended CPAC Hungary to talk about the free speech crisis in Britain, when year on year CPAC Hungary refuses to allow journalists who they disagree with to attend, in a country that has just put forward legislation that that would allow the government to monitor, penalise and potentially ban organisations that receive any sort of foreign funding, including donations or EU grants.

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Welcome to the EU:shocked:

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It’s Hungary, not the EU…

Orban is Farage on steroids, using the MAGA playbook.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ict-free-press

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As I understand it, there is no mechanism to ‘eject’ a country from the EU, the idea that it might someday be required was simply not contemplated when the various treaties were drawn up.

At best, Hungary can be cut off from various funding, in theory a country's voting rights in the EU can be suspended but it requires a unanimous vote, so Hungary would need to vote for it’s own exclusion! Seems unlikely.

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You can debate anyone on anything, as long as they will debate with you.

There is definitely truth in institutions captured by leftist ideology.


Decolonise the ……..whatever you want…………we had one of the greatest and benevolent empires the world has ever seen. Yes it had its issues, but in general we left things in better shape than we found them.

But we are supposed to feel generational shame and regret, well I don’t and I’m teaching mt kids not to either.

I haven’t read the MAGA playbook, but if she is referring to the Bank of England which was the body that caused the crash, and the civil service in general, she’d be correct.

I’m not familiar with the “great restoration” , I’d never heard of it before until now.

I doubt it would have much support.

What we need is to end multi-culturalism. It’s failed.

We need a multi-ethnic, mono-culture. You can be from anywhere but to live here you need to embrace our values, and live by them.

Do they also imprison, emotionally vulnerable women for social media posts? It’s not that ironic.

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So you're in favour of a government being able to ignore the law as it sees fit in order to force policies through?

Wow. Even for you, wow.

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Er - £1 billion per week it costs to house/feed these undocumented people of fighting age. A waste of taxpayers’ money? Or what?

That stupid Starmer should at least not have thrown away the taxpayers’ money shelled out in the run-up to the first Rwanda flight. He should have tried to deport a plane load. Then monitor the effect.


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The legal hurdles to Rwanda had been overcome, subject to any last minute appeal by a deportee. Ignoring the law has never been a UK government option.

Surely you knew that?

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Hugh mentioned supporting evidence.

You've tried to second guess what Liz Truss may have meant and continued in the same vein. Heck, I dare say if your paths crossed she may even thank you for your efforts here. But like her, you've failed to back up your assertions and conspiracy theories with any supporting evidence.

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It's what you voted for.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...sylum-seekers/

We've sacrificed the ability to return unlawful migrants to France and gained sovereignty. Hopefully, we can negotiate this ability back in the future.

I do think we need to process immigrants quicker to get as many as possible into the working population.

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Without evidence it becomes a "Oh not it didn't!" "Oh yes it did!" kind of argument rather than a nuanced discussion.

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Even the Mail and the Reformgraph don’t exaggerate as much as you - last month, they quoted £4 million per day, which doesn’t add up to £1 billion per week…

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...oared-NAO.html

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"bleeding obvious" like your £1 billion per week?

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Somewhere in Dubai, Richard Tice is looking for the magic calculator he left at Heathrow....

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Are you suggesting half have already claimed asylum elsewhere ?

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How about copying Israels solution

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I did. Now read it in context.

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Don’t be daft, Andrew.

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No, and again you are reading things into my posts that are not there.

Changing the law and ignoring the law are not the same thing.

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Does the fact that we've left the EU make it any easier or harder to resolve this problem?

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See https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...postcount=1335

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Leaving the EU has ensured that we don’t have to accept their allocated quota of immigrants.

The ECHR is our main stumbling block, but we need to extract ourselves from all these old international conventions that prevent us from taking appropriate measures to control immigration. The Agreements may have seemed all right when originally drafted, but their meaning has been warped and twisted out of recognition through liberal court decisions over the years.

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Do you mean the quota that Cameron opted out of whilst in the EU?

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U-Turn time.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czr8e5g5vp8o

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Why the uproar. It was to be means tested so those vulnerable would be protected.

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A u-turn would be a complete reversal (see: Tories allowing free school dinners after intervention from Marcus Rashford). This seems to me more of a lowering of the threshold in response to public backlash. Similar, but not the same.

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Whatever you call it, is a bad misjudgment by Starmer that's lost him a lot of goodwill and votes.

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Oh absolutely. This a stink that will follow him around for a long time.

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Co-conspirators will know that Starmer’s deal to provide “shorter airport queues this summer” with an agreement to open E-gate use for European countries is potemkin and useless on a practical level. The EU is digitising entry anyway for non-EU nationals from October under its EES system…

Under that system all non-EU entries will be photographed and fingerprinted. Shadow business secretary Andrew Griffith has taken up the issue and asked the government if the UK would be exempt from that EES system and got the reply from Nick Thomas Symonds: “UK national travellers will be required to register in the EU’s Entry/Exit System (EES)… Implementation of the EES is a matter for the EU and its Member States, and subject to ongoing EU legislative processes.” Which formally confirms that the surrender deal does nothing to shorten queues…

There are no confirmed E-gate deals with member states for the summer and the EES is coming in the Autumn. Hey, at least we lose those fishing rights…

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Co-conspirators?

You’re not trying to pass off Guido copy as your own I hope? :scratch:

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Can you provide a link to where Starmer promised access to this in the agreement - I can’t find it anywhere?

There’s this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czdy3r6q9mgo

Also, we didn’t "lose those fishing rights" - we’ve still got what Boris Johnson agreed to…

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Because there are lots of pensioners who are asset rich and cash poor, especially those in the South-East and even more so in London. They can have a small property that is worth a great deal. They can also have large pension pots that maybe (because of the rules when accessed) don't bring in a large income. The means testing needs to be based on income not on assets, and income needs to be adjusted by region etc.
Would the cost to maintain and handle the new system outrun savings on just paying out to all?

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I only posted due to the fact some pensioners put that allowance towards a freaking holiday which I class as benefit fraud. The chancellor was therefore right to do something about it but as everything "we learn from our mistakes" so sadly some are on the wrong end of the learning curve.

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It doesn’t matter what you class it as though, does it? “Fraud” is an allegation of criminal conduct, which it isn’t.

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It looks like the way they'll do this now is add it as a benefit and then use the tax system to claw back those after a threshold naturally. Quite messy

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The only person on the wrong end of the learning curve is Reeves, she doesn't have the skill or experience to do the job that she's conned her way into

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That video with her giving the speech at the train manufacturer’s is priceless.

That man on the left speaks for the nation without saying a word.

Sorry for the X link.

https://x.com/hjb_news__/status/1930...381396905?s=61

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Why can't he stand still?

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He's trying not to drown in bull shyte

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The whole of the UK should therefore be in his position? They are all full of shit.

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My first reaction too. I was quite dizzy by the end of that video!
Was she reading from an autocue?

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No , just missed coping that part , would never claim to be that articulate :monkey:

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:LOL: Eve Jobless

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c5yx...5d4b522dd#post

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This will upset the rabid lefty pensioner haters

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Massive own goal this entire thing.

On the face of it the winter fuel allowance isn't really justifiable in the age of the triple lock but it doesn't cost much and it's a huge political cost to get rid of it.

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So every pensioner is going get the £200/£300, but then those with a taxable income of over £35,000 will have the money deducted in tax.

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Is that how they're going to do it then? I saw that speculation a few days ago.

Probably the best way to make sure the people who need it will get it but not worth the hassle IMO. Just keep it universal.

Not to beat a dead horse but for the political damage they did with this they might as well have got rid of the earnings link in the triple lock, making it a double lock. At least that would have solved a long term issue and given them more money to spend.

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Or they can just opt out ;)

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I would say that that’s most of them.

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If they had just done that to begin with, I don’t think anyone would have complained.

These are our political best…………

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what about the back pay we missed a whole years allowance

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See the great lady thinks Swansea is in England. Check out were free school meals will be going thanks to her

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https://order-order.com/2025/06/11/f...-school-meals/

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Quite rightly forced into a new inquiry about the Pakistani Rape and Trafficking gangs.

Which, ironically, according to Labour’s adoption of the All Party Parliamentary Group on British Muslim’s definition of ‘Islamophobia’ ……..would make him Islamaphobic, and according to his own words he himself is jumping on a “far-right bandwagon”

It’s all welcome, but it will be a fudge, Labour, certainly at the local government level, and potentially MPs, are well beneath the shadow of this issue. So expect the scope to be deflected away from identifying those complicit in covering it all up.

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Things not going so well ...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cj937xylzyet

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This is a terrible idea, it will create a two tier benefit system

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That happens anyway when a new benefit is introduced. When an existing claimant is transferred over to the new benefit, there is Transitional protection, where the amount of money they receive stays the same.


Going to be complicated legislating what constitutes a new claim, A review is treated as a new claim. A change of circumstances can trigger a new claim for UC. If somebody on PIP reports a change of circumstances where their overall condition has worsened and might have their PIP increased, is it on the old rules or the new ones?


As with the Winter Fuel Allowance, it would've been better to pause and come up with a workable and agreeable system, rather than go for the quick fix.

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The Conservatives brought in a two-tier State Pension system in 2016 - don’t remember you complaining about that…

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in what way ?

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A proper considered unrushed consultation with disabled people might have avoided this but instead the government dressed it up as reform when it was all to do with Reeves and the treasury trying to save money.

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Indeed quick fixes usually end up as poitical disasters thus governments suddenly have to do U turns.

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https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...20since%201978.

Currently, the full basic (old - pre-2016) State Pension is around £176 per week, whilst the full basic (new) State Pension is around £230 per week.

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So true, as it always have been , every change means winners and losers

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isn't that topped up by pension credit

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Not if your weekly income is above £227 per week (if you have other pension income, such as work pensions, or some other Social Security benefits), or if you have over £10k savings, this can reduce the amount of Pension Credit you are eligible for.

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Unless I'm missing something blatantly obvious here, hasn't just about every governing party done at least one u-turn on some massively unpopular policy in the past 50+ years?

In principle, what's the difference between this and the poll tax u-turn, for example?

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There’s a pretty monumental difference between a policy born of hubris in the 3rd term of the most consequential post-war prime minister of this country’s history (and which brought her down), thereby narrowly rescuing a general election 2 years later than nobody thought the Tories would win and, on the other hand, a government less than 12 months old, sitting on an epoch-defying majority of 156.

Thatcher and her party had by 1987 come to think they could do no wrong and Labour was gifting them permanent power by sticking with Neil Kinnock. It was obvious the poll tax was unpopular but they pressed on because they had drunk their own kool aid, bought their own propaganda, etc etc etc.

Starmer has no such excuses. He has a majority, he’s fresh in the job, and if this wasn’t merely the latest in a string of un-forced errors he would have a pile of political goodwill at his disposal. For him to mess up this badly, this soon, and to have to be seen appeasing backbenchers as if he thinks losing the vote is a serious possibility despite his massive majority … that’s mismanagement on a catastrophic scale.

He has no political capital left now. There’s no way he can lead Labour into the next election. I’ll not be remotely surprised if he’s out of No.10 a year from now.

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Spot on.

Act in haste, repent at leisure.

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Give an incompetent numpty the wrong job and the finances will never add up

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The principle behind the community charge was valid. Why should one person on their own pay the same as 6 adults living next door? It wasn't a quick fix to reduce spending.
It was widely agreed that the rates system needed changing, but nobody could agree on how.

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The ‘principle’ was deliberately oversimplified and misrepresented to justify a tax that was intended to expose Labour-run councils that tended to charge more. The adults who previously had paid one sixth of the rate on a house, now forced to pay an equal share to their sole-occupant neighbour, were meant to blame the Labour council and vote Tory instead. To make matters worse, the tax was deliberately misrepresented as a ‘community charge’, a payment for services, which was supposed to justify it being the same flat rate paid by all, with a few exceptions who were eligible for a discount.

The problems (for the Tories) were first, people saw through it and didn’t blame their local council for the level of the charge, they blamed the government for badly-constructing the system and, second, when you’re compelled to pay a public authority a contribution to its entire operating costs regardless of how much or little you use it, you aren’t paying for services, you’re paying a tax. People understood that, and looked to this new tax to behave equitably. And by design, it did not.

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Sir Keir Starmer, 12 May 2025 - Immigration

"Nations depend on rules – fair rules. Sometimes they’re written down, often they’re not, but either way, they give shape to our values. They guide us towards our rights, of course, but also our responsibilities, the obligations we owe to one another. Now, in a diverse nation like ours, and I celebrate that, these rules become even more important. Without them, we risk becoming an island of strangers, not a nation that walks forward together".

https://www.gov.uk/government/speech...ce-12-may-2025

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:tu:

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Agreed. They should bin it all, and think again..

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they've done a u turn to show they care about todays sick and disabled[we all know they don't], and now prove they don't give a shyte about the future sick and disabled, two tier kier is nothing short of evil.

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Or rip it up and start again … has more of a ring to it :D

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Speaking of u-turns, good to see you speaking up on behalf of the sick and disabled, when you previously thought that the vast majority are lead swingers…