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1andrew1 01-12-2023 22:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36165533)
Agreed.
Ditto

Sephiroth 01-12-2023 22:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36165536)
Ditto
In that case, and by that reckoning, the Lib-Dems won't get a seat either.

1andrew1 01-12-2023 23:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36165537)
In that case, and by that reckoning, the Lib-Dems won't get a seat either.
The Liberal Democrats will benefit from tactical voting in a way that Reform UK currently don't.

Sephiroth 01-12-2023 23:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36165539)
The Liberal Democrats will benefit from tactical voting in a way that Reform UK currently don't.
Damn. They're even more useless than everyone else.

Paul 02-12-2023 02:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36165524)
Only 1 in 5 supporting the Govt? Why do they have the cheek to keep hanging on ?
Because they got elected for 5 years ... :dozey:

Governments dont generally call elections when/if they are doing poorly in polls (which is not exactly a rare occurance for Labour or Conservatives).

denphone 04-12-2023 08:24
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Bleak reading for the Conservative party in this latest polling report released this morning.

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...e+-+Report.pdf

jfman 04-12-2023 08:35
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“Polls schmolls. Once they ban 20mph an hour speed limits, sink some migrant boats, halve inflation it’ll be a landslide against the WOKERATI.”

Sephiroth 04-12-2023 09:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36165665)
Bleak reading for the Conservative party in this latest polling report released this morning.

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...e+-+Report.pdf
A very well presented article.

1andrew1 04-12-2023 10:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36165666)
“Polls schmolls. Once they ban 20mph an hour speed limits, sink some migrant boats, halve inflation it’ll be a landslide against the WOKERATI.”
Voters have been lead to believe that there are no trade-offs in key policy areas areas such as immigration and Brexit. They're still munching on Johnson's "You can have your cake and eat it" manifesto.

When they see that they can't have a fully-manned NHS and care system without high levels of immigration or Brexit deals with the US and India without compromising standards, they blame it on the government's policy execution and not reality...and move their votes to Reform UK.

It all reminds me of what they said about Communism. This is not true Communism. If it was true Communism we'd all be much better off.

Sephiroth 04-12-2023 11:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36165676)
Voters have been lead to believe that there are no trade-offs in key policy areas areas such as immigration and Brexit. They're still munching on Johnson's "You can have your cake and eat it" manifesto.

When they see that they can't have a fully-manned NHS and care system without high levels of immigration or Brexit deals with the US and India without compromising standards, they blame it on the government's policy execution and not reality...and move their votes to Reform UK.

It all reminds me of what they said about Communism. This is not true Communism. If it was true Communism we'd all be much better off.
No they're not. The polls clearly show that voters know all about your 2nd paragraph - except that Reform will not benefit to a significant extent..

Pierre 04-12-2023 12:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36165676)
When they see that they can't have a fully-manned NHS and care system without high levels of immigration .
Change the record. The NHS employs 500,000 doctors and nurses in total, we don't need over a million (700K net) coming in every year, to service the NHS.

1andrew1 04-12-2023 13:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36165692)
Change the record. The NHS employs 500,000 doctors and nurses in total, we don't need over a million (700K net) coming in every year, to service the NHS.
The NHS and care homes employ about 2m people and the figure is rising due to the ageing population. This is where our record level of taxes is going and staff are needed.

No idea of the breakdown of the 700k - presumably a fair percentage are students?

Hugh 04-12-2023 14:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36165695)
The NHS and care homes employ about 2m people and the figure is rising due to the ageing population. This is where our record level of taxes is going and staff are needed.

No idea of the breakdown of the 700k - presumably a fair percentage are students?
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.u...cent-figures/#

Quote:
This unusually high level was driven by a combination of humanitarian schemes for Ukrainians and Hong Kongers, plus increases in international students and work visas.

The data suggest net migration has started to decrease following its 2022 peak, with 1,180,000 people immigrating and 508,000 emigrating in the year ending June—with net migration at 672,000
Quote:
the number of student visas issued increased by 8%, with 639,000 visas (of whom 153,000 are partners or children) issued in the year ending September 2023.
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In the year ending September 2023, care and senior care workers received 101,000 long-term work visas, up from 22,000 in the year ending September 2022. The number of care worker visas continued to accelerate, with over 34,000 in Q3 2023 alone.

jfman 04-12-2023 17:21
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They should name and shame the employers who are most reliant upon migrant workers undermining the working conditions of the Great British worker.

Shouldn’t be too hard HMRC will have the data, NINOs registered on system per year (aged over 16) and link them to their employers. Publish at postcode level by registered
address of the employer.

1andrew1 04-12-2023 17:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36165720)
They should name and shame the employers who are most reliant upon migrant workers undermining the working conditions of the Great British worker.

Shouldn’t be too hard HMRC will have the data, NINOs registered on system per year (aged over 16) and link them to their employers. Publish at postcode level by registered
address of the employer.
GDPR requirements may prevent this, though of course the government could presumably legislate to overcome this.

jfman 04-12-2023 17:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36165725)
GDPR requirements may prevent this, though of course the government could presumably legislate to overcome this.
At an aggregate level it shouldn’t be a problem for GDPR for those with the numbers.

Only where it became really small numbers would it become plausible for individuals to be identified.

Hugh 04-12-2023 19:23
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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1701717755

Context

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67612106

Sephiroth 04-12-2023 20:41
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Someone got that one wrong. Ireland and the UK are within a Common Travel Area and the immigration rules don't apply.

Hugh 04-12-2023 20:45
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https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2023/12/1.gif

Sephiroth 04-12-2023 20:51
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Why waste everybody's time with obscure jokes?

EDIT: Taking your word for it.

TheDaddy 04-12-2023 22:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36165756)
Why waste everybody's time with obscure jokes?

EDIT: Taking your word for it.
It's one of the funniest shows ever so not surprised you missed it, probably not for you, stick to love thy neighbour

ianch99 05-12-2023 17:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36165762)
It's one of the funniest shows ever so not surprised you missed it, probably not for you, stick to love thy neighbour
Love Thy Neighbour - brilliant! (not the show BTW)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36165695)
The NHS and care homes employ about 2m people and the figure is rising due to the ageing population. This is where our record level of taxes is going and staff are needed.

No idea of the breakdown of the 700k - presumably a fair percentage are students?
He's trolling you, Andrew. He knows full well that not all the net migration is destined for the NHS. I'd ignore him ... I do :)

OLD BOY 05-12-2023 19:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36165665)
Bleak reading for the Conservative party in this latest polling report released this morning.

https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...e+-+Report.pdf
And yet the Conservatives seem remarkably confident - so much so, that they are looking at a spring general election rather than leaving it until January 2024. Very curious…

denphone 05-12-2023 19:52
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36165821)
And yet the Conservatives seem remarkably confident - so much so, that they are looking at a spring general election rather than leaving it until January 2024. Very curious…
Let them call it early as that is what the vast majority of the electorate want for the simple reason that they have seen what 13 years of catastrophic governance has brought us.

Nothing is working anymore, the NHS and public services have been cut to the bone, etc, etc, etc.

Sephiroth 05-12-2023 19:53
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The Conservatives have nothing about which to be confident. As a government (or three), my party has been incompetent.

Hugh 05-12-2023 19:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36165821)
And yet the Conservatives seem remarkably confident - so much so, that they are looking at a spring general election rather than leaving it until January 2024. Very curious…
Dunning-Kruger effect, probably…

https://www.medicinenet.com/what_is_...ct/article.htm

Quote:
The Dunning-Kruger effect is a type of psychological bias. A classic example of the Dunning-Kruger effect would be an amateur chess player overestimates their performance in the upcoming chess tournament compared to their competent counterparts.

OLD BOY 05-12-2023 20:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36165823)
Let them call it early as that is what the vast majority of the electorate want for the simple reason that they have seen what 13 years of catastrophic governance has brought us.

Nothing is working anymore, the NHS and public services have been cut to the bone, etc, etc, etc.
Yes, until they remember the Labour years.

The thing is, people say things to the opinion pollsters, but when it comes to the general election, people weigh up the offerings of all the parties standing for election. I don’t think people will forget the reason for austerity, the Covid crisis and the Ukraine war when figuring out why so much looks like it’s broken.

Starmer clearly doesn’t have anything to offer the country that will make a difference (apart from more debt, of course).

Pierre 05-12-2023 20:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36165695)
care homes employ about 2m people
Let’s hope they at least employ people that can speak English …….not much to ask.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...u&opi=89978449

Mr K 05-12-2023 20:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36165823)
Let them call it early as that is what the vast majority of the electorate want for the simple reason that they have seen what 13 years of catastrophic governance has brought us.

Nothing is working anymore, the NHS and public services have been cut to the bone, etc, etc, etc.
The electorate get what they vote for. More of them need to recognise that. Do they want a1p tax cut, or that life saving bypass/cancer treatment when they or their family need it?

I've been an adult for quite a long time now. I've never seen the country in a worse state. Not sure if Labour have the answers, but the Tories have proved over 13 years that they certainly don't. They are only interested in looking after themselves/ the select few that finance them.

denphone 05-12-2023 20:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36165829)
Yes, until they remember the Labour years.

The thing is, people say things to the opinion pollsters, but when it comes to the general election, people weigh up the offerings of all the parties standing for election. I don’t think people will forget the reason for austerity, the Covid crisis and the Ukraine war when figuring out why so much looks like it’s broken.

Starmer clearly doesn’t have anything to offer the country that will make a difference (apart from more debt, of course).
As usual you revert to your very weak straw man argument.

Starmer might be a bit dull in parts but for a fair few voters he will be a vast improvement on the last three prime ministers this country has had and he won't bring any of the neverending chaos and daily psychodrama's many voters have had to put up with for many years.

Mr K 05-12-2023 20:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36165835)
Starmer might be a bit dull in parts but for a fair few voters he will be a vast improvement on the last three prime ministers this country has had and he won't bring any of the neverending chaos and daily psychodrama's many voters have had to put up with for many years.
Tbh, I'll take a bit dull but competent. That would be a vast improvement on the last few PMs. It's not a personality contest, or 'Celebrity come Governing'.

Boris was entertaining but at the expense of destroying the country. Worth it? He will f off to the Aussie jungle, like Prattcock and Farage, to top up his millions.

Dave42 06-12-2023 18:48
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Robert Jenrick going to resign sky news reporting

denphone 06-12-2023 18:50
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36165989)
Robert Jenrick going to resign sky news reporting
Another day and another day of a Tory party psychodrama.:(

1andrew1 06-12-2023 19:05
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36165989)
Robert Jenrick going to resign sky news reporting
They now say he has
https://news.sky.com/story/robert-je...ister-13024262

It's looking like
https://youtu.be/sCM8MMnSqPk?si=7GqOHDxQ8m2pgQSB

Dave42 06-12-2023 19:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36165991)
Another day and another day of a Tory party psychodrama.:(
hopefully speeds up general election Den we need this worst government ever out soon as possible

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confirmed by Cleverly in HOC Jenrick has resigned

Mr K 06-12-2023 19:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36165989)
Robert Jenrick going to resign sky news reporting
Another loon bites the dust....

Dave42 06-12-2023 19:35
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It is with great sadness that I have written to the Prime Minister to tender my resignation as Minister for Immigration.

I cannot continue in my position when I have such strong disagreements with the direction of the Government’s policy on immigration.



https://twitter.com/RobertJenrick/st...81602158985424

dont let the door hit you on the way out good riddance

Paul 06-12-2023 23:42
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You do know why he resigned, right ?

Quote:
Robert Jenrick has resigned as immigration minister, saying the government's emergency Rwanda legislation "does not go far enough".


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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36165995)
hopefully speeds up general election Den we need this worst government ever out soon as possible
Nope. Hes resigning as a minister, not an MP. You'll have to do your anti tory rants a bit longer still. ;)

1andrew1 07-12-2023 00:52
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I think Sunak will get the bill through. But if not, what will he do?
https://news.sky.com/story/rishi-sun...-bill-13024464

1andrew1 07-12-2023 09:14
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Looks like it was a tough PMQs for Sunak on the Rwanda treaty.
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Starmer said: “When they first announced this gimmick, they claimed Rwanda would settle tens of thousands of people … then the Court of Appeal made clear in June there’s housing for just 100. The number of people sent there remains stubbornly consistent - Zero.

“At the same time, article 19 of the treaty says the parties shall make arrangements for the UK to resettle a portion of Rwanda’s most vulnerable refugees in the UK. So how many refugees from Rwanda will be coming here to the UK under the treaty?”

As Sunak rose to respond he was drowned out by laughter, and with a high-pitched voice mistakenly referred to “Mr Speaker” instead of “Madam Deputy Speaker”, as Lindsay Hoyle, the Speaker of the House, is off sick with Covid and is being replaced by Eleanor Laing.

He hurriedly rushed through his response, saying “it’s a point of pride that we are a compassionate country” and then said Starmer wanted to “cook up a deal with the EU”. The Labour leader didn’t look worried at all - match point Starmer.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...dd14d5d07&ei=8

Hugh 07-12-2023 10:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36166080)
Looks like it was a tough PMQs for Sunak on the Rwanda treaty.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...dd14d5d07&ei=8
To date, more Home Secretaries (3) have been to Rwanda than U.K. asylum seekers (0)…

Ms NTL 07-12-2023 10:47
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36166086)
To date, more Home Secretaries (3) have been to Rwanda than U.K. asylum seekers (0)…
:rofl:

ianch99 07-12-2023 10:50
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36166086)
To date, more Home Secretaries (3) have been to Rwanda than U.K. asylum seekers (0)…
Once we've had a couple more, they could form a five-a-side team. You know, play home and away (Rwanda), You never know, they may win this time as the opposition may be a player or two down :)

Dave42 07-12-2023 10:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36166086)
To date, more Home Secretaries (3) have been to Rwanda than U.K. asylum seekers (0)…
and even better from Rwanda saying if you break international law the deal is off

ianch99 07-12-2023 11:57
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36166093)
and even better from Rwanda saying if you break international law the deal is off
So we have arrived at a place where Rwanda, of all places, is telling us to adhere to international law!

Dave42 07-12-2023 12:07
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Difficult to see how we aren’t heading for a general election sooner rather than later.

Sunak says he needs his legislation to get Rwanda flights off the ground.

But Tory right won’t back it. And Rwanda won’t back a treaty that breaks international law.

It’s a mess.

https://twitter.com/theousherwood/st...25350503702702

think Theo has this 100% spot on

Hugh 07-12-2023 13:55
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3 Attachment(s)
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1701957273

versus

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1701957273

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1701960018

Sephiroth 07-12-2023 15:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36166098)
So we have arrived at a place where Rwanda, of all places, is telling us to adhere to international law!

Nicely put!


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It’s the ‘going further’ bit that Jenric & Braverman want that is wrong. We cannot withdraw from the EHRC in its entirety because, as I understand of the GFA, also legally binding.

Thus the Rwanda is Safe Bill is flawed in that decisions taken under that law, if passed, remain open to legal challenge. All of this should have been made watertight by Patel and it wasn’t. And prolly couldn’t have been, making thw whole Rwanda scheme pointless.

A properly planned joint police campaign with France and other countries to take down the traffickers would have been a reasonable approach even if difficult to negotiate.

All that said, I do want illegal migrants to be detained with no liberty if we can’t depirt them. Some emergency/security basis will need to be applied.



GrimUpNorth 07-12-2023 21:13
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I don't understand how anyone can take us seriously when we pass a law instructing our highest court to ignore some existing laws. What a joke.

daveeb 07-12-2023 21:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36166158)
I don't understand how anyone can take us seriously when we pass a law instructing our highest court to ignore some existing laws. What a joke.
...and the thin end of a very dodgy wedge if they get away with it this time. We get more like a banana republic every month under their watch.

Hugh 07-12-2023 21:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36166158)
I don't understand how anyone can take us seriously when we pass a law instructing our highest court to ignore some existing laws. What a joke.
You don’t understand - under the Rwanda Bill, if the Government says Rwanda is safe, no evidence or ruling that shows this to be false is allowed or admissible in U.K. Courts.

Also, it’s a balmy 23 degrees Centigrade in the U.K. for the next three weeks, Energy Bills are reducing, there is no sewage in our waterways, and if you disagree, you are guilty of thoughtcrime, and so must practice crimestop…

ianch99 07-12-2023 21:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36166160)
You don’t understand - under the Rwanda Bill, if the Government says Rwanda is safe, no evidence or ruling that shows this to be false is allowed or admissible in U.K. Courts.

Also, it’s a balmy 23 degrees Centigrade in the U.K. for the next three weeks, Energy Bills are reducing, there is no sewage in our waterways, and if you disagree, you are guilty of thoughtcrime, and so must practice crimestop…
Or in other words:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-p...7643298/page/3

Quote:
Parliament being asked to say a cat is a dog - former minister

A former Conservative solicitor general has told the BBC the government should "find a practical policy response" to immigration issues rather than "try to evade the law".

Edward Garnier, who served under David Cameron between 2010 and 2012, says the government's plan is "legislation by assertion that cannot be challenged".

In a statement to BBC Radio 4's Today programme he said:

"Parliament is being required to pass a law that says a cat is a dog even when there’s no evidence to suggest that’s true and you cannot challenge it"

Paddy1 08-12-2023 05:52
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"There was truth and there was untruth, and if you clung to the truth even against the whole world, you were not mad.

Don’t you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thoughtcrime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it."

See also -

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength

Is that the time already?

Hugh 08-12-2023 08:50
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Rwanda bill risks failing, top lawyers warned Rishi Sunak

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4...f04c2dd683998a

Quote:
A government source said in response: “Since this bill was published, a raft of eminent lawyers have advised that this bill means that the courts will not be able to block us from getting flights off to Rwanda to stop the boats. This includes Lord Sumption, the former Supreme Court judge, who said he believes the legislation will work on the basis that ‘the courts will do what they are told to do’.”

Pierre 08-12-2023 09:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36166162)
Quote:
Parliament is being required to pass a law that says a cat is a dog even when there’s no evidence to suggest that’s true and you cannot challenge it
We are asked to suspend the truth of reality everyday. We are told that if a man says he is woman, then he is a woman and if we challenge it, we're Transphobe bigots.

Therefore, I see no issue with the proposition.

1andrew1 08-12-2023 09:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36166198)
We are asked to suspend the truth of reality everyday. We are told that if a man says he is woman, then he is a woman and if we challenge it, we're Transphobe bigots.

Therefore, I see no issue with the proposition.
Assuming that is right, do two wrongs ever make a right?

Sephiroth 08-12-2023 11:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36166199)
Assuming that is right, do two wrongs ever make a right?
It depends on context. It needs at minimum three sentences to make the determination.

1. Wrong #1

2. Wrong #2

3. Statement of a derived conclusion.

1andrew1 08-12-2023 12:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36166196)
Rwanda bill risks failing, top lawyers warned Rishi Sunak

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4...f04c2dd683998a
Even if its's passed, the attempt to copy Australia looks set to fail as Australia can send boats back to the countries they came from and the UK cannot.
Quote:
Australia’s methods, however controversial, have been more effective at preventing people from reaching its borders irregularly by sea.

It has achieved this because it could intercept the migrants in international waters in boats that were much larger than those typically used in the Channel, making them easier to spot. It was then able to turn back those on board to their countries of departure under agreements with the relevant governments. A smaller number of migrants were sent to detention centres in Papua New Guinea and Nauru.

“Because the boats were intercepted, people stopped trying. You cannot do that in the Channel,” said Colin Yeo an immigration lawyer and author of the Free Movement blog, pointing out there were no international waters on the routes favoured by smugglers between France and Britain. “The idea that removing a few hundred or thousand to Rwanda would stop the others coming has no basis.”
https://www.ft.com/content/c666ae8f-...3-4c3f12841525

Hugh 14-12-2023 09:48
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67714132

Quote:
Suspended Tory MP Scott Benton faces 35-day Commons ban

Scott Benton faces being suspended from Parliament, after the Commons standards watchdog found he committed a "very serious breach" of lobbying rules.

The Committee on Standards recommended the MP should be suspended for 35 days.

If approved by MPs, this could lead to a by-election in his Blackpool South constituency.

Mr Benton was suspended as a Tory MP earlier this year after he was filmed offering to lobby ministers for a fake company in a newspaper sting.
In a meeting with reporters posing as gambling industry investors, he was caught offering to lobby ministers and table parliamentary questions.

The committee's report said he had given the message "he was corrupt and 'for sale'".

Mr K 14-12-2023 14:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36166558)
Yet another one bites the dust.

You don't have to be a corrupt, villain and or/sex pest to be a Tory MP, but it helps

Damien 15-12-2023 16:57
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Just seems to be the general trend that after 8-10 or so years Governments go stale and the members of it (or those of the governing party anyway) go mad. They get too comfortable in their positions and think they'll rule forever.

2019 probably didn't help in that respect either as with Corbyn they could pretty much do whatever they liked and win a majority.

Hugh 18-12-2023 13:43
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1 Attachment(s)
https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-...-commissioner/

There are currently eight MPs currently under investigation by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards, and they appear to have one thing in common…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1702906838

Paul 18-12-2023 13:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36166782)
and they appear to have one thing in common…
Which is what ? Nothing obvious on you image.

peanut 18-12-2023 13:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36166784)
Which is what ? Nothing obvious on you image.
They all have their snouts firmly in the trough basically.

denphone 18-12-2023 14:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36166785)
They all have their snouts firmly in the trough basically.
Indeed members of parliament should be there to serve their constituents who voted them in.

The coming election and likely result might just be the train crash that makes some of them realise that.

TheDaddy 18-12-2023 14:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36166782)
https://www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-...-commissioner/

There are currently eight MPs currently under investigation by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards, and they appear to have one thing in common…
There's at least one under investigation by police too, for rape...

Hugh 18-12-2023 14:14
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My bad - I thought they were are all Conservative MPs, but Bridgen was kicked out for his anti-vax conspiracy theories, then he defected to Laurence Fox’s Reclaim Party.

Mr K 18-12-2023 14:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36166790)
My bad - I thought they were are all Conservative MPs, but Bridgen was kicked out for his anti-vax conspiracy theories, then he defected to Laurence Fox’s Reclaim Party.
All Brexiteers then ? Strange, they are usually such an honest lot.

1andrew1 18-12-2023 15:21
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It's not just 7 Conservative MPs who are being investigated. A Conservative peer is too!
Quote:
Baroness Michelle Mone has admitted she stands to gain from profits of about £60mn from selling protective equipment to the UK government during the Covid-19 pandemic, having previously denied any role in the deal.

Mone, made a Conservative peer by Lord David Cameron in 2015, also confirmed on Sunday that she lied to the press to cover up her involvement, but said: “I wasn’t trying to pull the wool over anyone’s eyes.”

Mone and husband Doug Barrowman said that the government was told of the Tory peer’s ties to a medical equipment company that won more than £200mn in state contracts during the pandemic.

But over several years spokespeople and lawyers for Mone, a lingerie entrepreneur, denied she had any involvement with PPE Medpro, as did people representing Barrowman.

Barrowman said PPE Medpro had agreed two contracts with the government worth £202mn, making a 30 per cent profit of about £60mn, which he called “a good return”.

The UK government launched legal proceedings against PPE Medpro in December 2022, claiming breach of contract over the quality of £122mn worth of protective gowns provided by the company. PPE Medpro has denied that the goods were faulty.

Wes Streeting, shadow health secretary, said of Mone: “I must say I don’t know who thought it was a good idea for her to do that interview, but I don’t think anyone watching will be shedding any tears.”

While avoiding comment on the PPE Medpro case, he added: “Our message to those people who sought to use the pandemic to get rich quick: we want our money back.

“A Labour government will appoint a Covid corruption minister, giving them the powers they need to claw back as much of that money as possible. Because £8bn was lost through fraud, £15bn in unusable PPE.”
https://www.ft.com/content/a5d96a07-...6-0ec2368c2fa1

daveeb 18-12-2023 16:07
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The police ought to do one of their stings where they lure criminals to a function under the pretence of receiving some kind of reward. In this instance they could just wait until there is a big parliamentary vote requiring full attendance and arrest the whole lot of them.

1andrew1 18-12-2023 16:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36166801)
The police ought to do one of their stings where they lure criminals to a function under the pretence of receiving some kind of reward. In this instance they could just wait until there is a big parliamentary vote requiring full attendance and arrest the whole lot of them.
:D:D:D

Hugh 18-12-2023 18:03
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1 Attachment(s)
https://x.com/michellemone/status/17...Fx9lsEXWlOa1jg

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1702922534

https://64.media.tumblr.com/930eb87e...6o8_r1_500.gif

Hugh 19-12-2023 21:35
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Rishi Sunak faces by-election after Peter Bone recall petition

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/6...25d3e9e17f9a31

Quote:
Rishi Sunak is facing another potentially painful by-election after voters in Peter Bone’s constituency of Wellingborough voted in a recall petition for the MP to lose his seat.

The process was triggered when Bone, an independent who lost the Conservative whip this year, was suspended from the Commons.

He was found by parliament’s independent expert panel in October to have subjected a member of his staff to bullying and sexual misconduct, but he denies any wrongdoing. Bone was suspended for six weeks, far above the ten-day threshold that automatically triggers a recall petition.

He has since returned to parliament, and was present for the crunch vote on Sunak’s Rwanda legislation.

As more than 10 per cent of the constituency’s voters signed the petition — 7,904 people, or 13.2 per cent — a by-election is now triggered.

Bone, a former deputy leader of the Commons, will formally lose his role as an MP but is free to stand in the upcoming by-election, for which the government is yet to set a date.

Hugh 20-12-2023 10:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36166790)
My bad - I thought they were are all Conservative MPs, but Bridgen was kicked out for his anti-vax conspiracy theories, then he defected to Laurence Fox’s Reclaim Party.
As the World turns…

Andrew Bridgen has just resigned from the Reclaim Party…

Quote:
"This morning, I have made the incredibly difficult decision to resign from the Reclaim Party.

I would first of all like to thank Laurence and all of the team at Reclaim who have been excellent and supported me wholeheartedly for the last 9 months.

I have come to this decision purely because of a difference in the direction of the Party, I will still wholeheartedly support the policies and values of the Reclaim Party and wish them all of the best in their future endeavours

Mr K 20-12-2023 10:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36166900)
As the World turns…

Andrew Bridgen has just resigned from the Reclaim Party…
Too left wing for him?

Hugh 24-12-2023 09:50
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/r...tion-bfknlhk6b

Quote:
Reform UK to challenge Tories in every seat at general election

Nigel Farage’s fringe party pledges threatens to split the vote in election battlegrounds — and boost the chances of a Starmer victory

The leader of Reform UK has privately given his senior team “cast-iron guarantees” that general election candidates will not be told to step aside for Tory opponents in a move that could split Rishi Sunak’s vote in key seats.

Richard Tice has offered written assurances to key party figures that they will fight the Conservatives right up to polling day.Reform has already selected candidates for 440 seats and intends to stand in all constituencies bar those in Northern Ireland.

1andrew1 27-12-2023 13:10
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Breaking: Jeremy Hunt announces March 6 Spring Budget

Quote:
The fiscal event is seen by Downing Street as a crucial milestone in the run-up to a general election expected next year, with tax cuts widely expected.

Hunt has also commissioned the Office for Budget Responsibility, the fiscal watchdog, to prepare an economic and fiscal forecast to be published alongside the Budget.
https://www.ft.com/content/0bcc6966-...b-2718ea84e2a2
Quote:
Rishi Sunak has been accused of a "desperate" briefing on inheritance tax (IHT) after reports suggested it would be slashed ahead of the next election.

It comes as the government confirmed the date of the next spring budget, which will be delivered on 6 March.

On Wednesday, The Daily Telegraph reported that Downing Street is considering axing IHT as part of a "gear change" on tax, having made halving inflation rather than reducing the tax burden a priority of his premiership.

However, Labour rubbished the story as a "desperate briefing from a desperate prime minister who is spending his Christmas break trying to keep Tory MPs on side".
https://news.sky.com/story/sunak-acc...irmed-13038202

Paul 27-12-2023 20:55
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TBH, if he thinks reducing inheritance tax is going to win him support I think hes dreaming, its really of little importance to the majority.

Dave42 27-12-2023 21:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36167298)
TBH, if he thinks reducing inheritance tax is going to win him support I think hes dreaming, its really of little importance to the majority.
Sunak trying to give to the super rich again shock NOT

Sephiroth 27-12-2023 21:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36167304)
Sunak trying to give to the super rich again shock NOT
Leftie interpretation. Sunak wants to bring out the Tory voters.
Those idiots should have abolished IHT 4 years ago. It's a bad tax, mismanaged by an incompetent government.

Mr K 27-12-2023 21:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36167298)
TBH, if he thinks reducing inheritance tax is going to win him support I think hes dreaming, its really of little importance to the majority.
He doesn't. They are just filling their own pockets whilst they can.

jfman 27-12-2023 21:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36167305)
Leftie interpretation. Sunak wants to bring out the Tory voters.
Those idiots should have abolished IHT 4 years ago. It's a bad tax, mismanaged by an incompetent government.
It can’t be that bad a tax if even after 13 years of Conservative Government they didn’t bin it.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36167306)
He doesn't. They are just filling their own pockets whilst they can.
It’s another dog whistle, and a dare to Labour to state a position on something. It applies to almost no-one but the same idiots who think the folk on small boats are here for free iPads and benefits also think they might pay inheritance tax.

1andrew1 27-12-2023 21:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36167298)
TBH, if he thinks reducing inheritance tax is going to win him support I think hes dreaming, its really of little importance to the majority.
It will help retain some valuable funders on board for the wilderness years and won't lose many votes. That's assuming they do remove it.

Dave42 27-12-2023 22:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36167305)
Leftie interpretation. Sunak wants to bring out the Tory voters.
Those idiots should have abolished IHT 4 years ago. It's a bad tax, mismanaged by an incompetent government.
utter nonsense so give to rich screw everyone else right?

Sephiroth 27-12-2023 23:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36167317)
utter nonsense so give to rich screw everyone else right?

More leftie drivel. How does hard earned wealth ‘screw everyone else’?

It’s a disgusting tax.


Paul 27-12-2023 23:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36167317)
utter nonsense so give to rich screw everyone else right?
Give to the rich ? Its already their money :dozey:

Dave42 27-12-2023 23:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36167320)

More leftie drivel. How does hard earned wealth ‘screw everyone else’?

It’s a disgusting tax.

so if you inherit the wealth you hard earned it utter nonsense again

if the wealth is inherited you have not hard earned it have you

Pierre 28-12-2023 21:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36167323)
so if you inherit the wealth you hard earned it utter nonsense again

if the wealth is inherited you have not hard earned it have you
I come from a working class background, I didn’t get anything from my parents ( I got £8k in my late forties, that I didn’t need, or want actually, I put it in my kids accounts). I’ve paid tax already on everything I have earned or bought, if I want to give bequeath what I have accumulated to my children so they can benefit, why should the state have a double dip?

The goal for every parent is to give their kids a better life than they had.

jfman 28-12-2023 21:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36167377)
I come from a working class background, I didn’t get anything from my parents ( I got £8k in my late forties, that I didn’t need, or want actually, I put it in my kids accounts). I’ve paid tax already on everything I have earned or bought, if I want to give bequeath what I have accumulated to my children so they can benefit, why should the state have a double dip?

The goal for every parent is to give their kids a better life than they had.
The state double dips at every turn. You pay tax on your income and then on almost everything you spend. Even more tax if it involves petrol, alcohol, flying anywhere or anything remotely enjoyable.

The idea that children inheriting many multiples of the average salary is the line that can’t or shouldn’t be crossed when if they’d earned it themselves it’d be taxed is a red herring.

There’s no real indication that inheritance tax prevents parents achieving that goal. Although I do understand why any rational individual wants to avoid any tax.

Pierre 29-12-2023 00:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36167379)
The state double dips at every turn. You pay tax on your income and then on almost everything you spend. Even more tax if it involves petrol, alcohol, flying anywhere or anything remotely enjoyable.

The idea that children inheriting many multiples of the average salary is the line that can’t or shouldn’t be crossed when if they’d earned it themselves it’d be taxed is a red herring.

There’s no real indication that inheritance tax prevents parents achieving that goal. Although I do understand why any rational individual wants to avoid any tax.
I think you’re right in so far as we all pay tax on everything, probably multiple times without knowing it.

But, when it comes down to what you’ve actually earnt, After paying all those taxes, to give to your family. That’s when it’s an issue, that’s when it bites.

I do not believe inheritance tax, I shouldn’t be taxed when I’m dead.

jfman 29-12-2023 00:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36167385)
I think you’re right in so far as we all pay tax on everything, probably multiple times without knowing it.

But, when it comes down to what you’ve actually earnt, After paying all those taxes, to give to your family. That’s when it’s an issue, that’s when it bites.

I do not believe inheritance tax, I shouldn’t be taxed when I’m dead.
You couldn’t gift the money when alive on a tax free basis, whether you are alive or not seems a meaningless distinction.

I don’t actually think IHT is that great a tax either - the rich shouldn’t have to die to be taxed appropriately.

Sephiroth 29-12-2023 01:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36167379)
The state double dips at every turn. You pay tax on your income and then on almost everything you spend. Even more tax if it involves petrol, alcohol, flying anywhere or anything remotely enjoyable.

The idea that children inheriting many multiples of the average salary is the line that can’t or shouldn’t be crossed when if they’d earned it themselves it’d be taxed is a red herring.

There’s no real indication that inheritance tax prevents parents achieving that goal. Although I do understand why any rational individual wants to avoid any tax.
Not a red herring at all. If the government instead lowers income tax or VAT or some other direct taxation, and you accumulate more wealth as a result, IHT takes that back at the 40% tax rate subject to the allowances.

IHT should be scrapped and the government should fund its business through direct taxation such as inccome tax, VAT, duties.

jfman 29-12-2023 01:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36167392)
Not a red herring at all. If the government instead lowers income tax or VAT or some other direct taxation, and you accumulate more wealth as a result, IHT takes that back at the 40% tax rate subject to the allowances.

IHT should be scrapped and the government should fund its business through direct taxation such as inccome tax, VAT, duties.
Yes, just like it dictates how much you earn, and the cut it takes when you spend (or gift to your children when alive).

There’s definitely an argument for better taxation, closing the tax gap, taxation of non-PAYE taxpayers and ending many loopholes. I’m at the front of the queue.

However in the absence of comprehensive reform I fail to see the value in one off tax exemptions for the children of the rich. We need to give it more teeth for those that avoid it.

Sephiroth 29-12-2023 01:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36167393)
Yes, just like it dictates how much you earn, and the cut it takes when you spend (or gift to your children when alive).

There’s definitely an argument for better taxation, closing the tax gap, taxation of non-PAYE taxpayers and ending many loopholes. I’m at the front of the queue.

However in the absence of comprehensive reform I fail to see the value in one off tax exemptions for the children of the rich. We need to give it more teeth for those that avoid it.
You've boiled the IHT question down to one-off vs comprehensive reform. I can't argue against that, so long as IHT is abolished.

However, 'comprehensive reform' is pie in the sky because of the way politics works: dishonestly and not in our best interests.

Where I fundamentally disagree with you, is the disdain you have for the 'children of the ricj'. It's too broad a brush. I'm not rich but circumstances are such, particularly as regards the housing ladder, where I don't want the wretched state to rip off a serious chunk of what I could leave to my kids. Btw, if some of my 'wealth' is inherited and not down to my own hard work, it was down to the hard work of my and my wife's parents.



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Btw, the Qantas business lounge at Sydney is shit!

jfman 29-12-2023 01:45
Re: The Chronicles of Rishi
 
The housing bubble is the most egregious example of untaxed wealth. A far cry from Pierre’s double taxing of income.

I’m not a business lounge type of person, smoking terraces are more my scene and I don’t smoke. It’s nice to sit out rather than fight over seats at the gate.

Paul 05-01-2024 18:40
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Another by-election looming.

Quote:
Tory MP Chris Skidmore quits in protest at climate policy
https://www.itv.com/news/2024-01-05/...d-gas-licences

Mr K 05-01-2024 20:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36167797)
An MP with some principles, a rare thing. He's seeing further than the next election, which is all most of them are interested in.

mrmistoffelees 05-01-2024 21:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36167804)
An MP with some principles, a rare thing. He's seeing further than the next election, which is all most of them are interested in.
Not really, the seat is being abolished at the next election

Mr K 05-01-2024 21:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36167807)
Not really, the seat is being abolished at the next election
Ah, fair enough. Me being positive and thinking the best of people again ;)

mrmistoffelees 05-01-2024 21:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36167813)
Ah, fair enough. Me being positive and thinking the best of people again ;)
A noble quality, sadly missing in most


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