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TheDaddy 28-03-2022 20:26
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36117652)
So pretty much everywhere then .. :dozey:
Good, just when they think the worlds screwing them hard their own country joins in.

Biden said earlier Russoa was the world's 11th richest nation 6 weeks ago, now its not even in top 20

pip08456 29-03-2022 16:34
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36117659)
Contrary to the British penchant for self-loathing (and some justifiable anger about our lukewarm response to the humanitarian crisis), we have been sending them truckloads of arms and training them to use the stuff for nearly 10 years.

Much of the expert commentary (that doesn’t make it into the national press, sadly) is pointing out that Ukraine’s army, despite being ex-Soviet, does not fight like that. It fights like a Western army. That didn’t happen by accident.
The UK has been the biggest trainer and supplier of the Ukranian army for all of that time. Not forgetting they have trained the infantry in the use of NATO weaponry, eg the Javelin anti tank and surface to air missiles etc.

My friend has a son who is a W.O. stationed in Germany and is a trainer of the trainers (if that makes sense), has stated that the normal rotational monthly service of tanks and other vehicles has changed to they are servicing them all ASAP.

Makes you wonder what the future has to hold for us. Fear of a Nuclear war will only allow Putin to get away with whatever he wants. When will that fear end. Not something I'd like to decide on.

1andrew1 29-03-2022 17:49
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Jack Detsch - Foreign Policy magazine

JUST IN: Russia has committed 70 to 75 percent of its TOTAL military to the war in Ukraine, top U.S. general in Europe tells Congress.

Ukraine can "certainly succeed" in stalling Russia, said Gen. Tod Wolters.
https://twitter.com/JackDetsch/statu...16931033337857

pip08456 29-03-2022 18:47
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36117723)
Not breaking news as it was known over a month ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...n-us-officials

Chris 29-03-2022 18:56
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36117725)
Not breaking news as it was known over a month ago.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...n-us-officials
That’s not saying the same thing at all.

In the guardian item from February, Russia’s invasion force assembly on the Ukrainian border is 70% complete. Today, the US’s assessment is that Russia has deployed 70-75% of its entire functional military strength to Ukraine. Lying behind that statistic is the emerging truth that just because Russia claims to have a million men in uniform and a gazillion tanks, it does not follow that all of them are in any fit state to go to war.

pip08456 29-03-2022 19:56
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36117727)
That’s not saying the same thing at all.

In the guardian item from February, Russia’s invasion force assembly on the Ukrainian border is 70% complete. Today, the US’s assessment is that Russia has deployed 70-75% of its entire functional military strength to Ukraine. Lying behind that statistic is the emerging truth that just because Russia claims to have a million men in uniform and a gazillion tanks, it does not follow that all of them are in any fit state to go to war.
OK let's go with repots after the invasion then and before todays "breaking news"

I could probably find ealrier assessments but can't be bothered. Anyone actually following it will have seen them.

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March 17, 2022 10:30 AM


An unidentified U.S. “senior defense official” offered another briefing yesterday and made an eye-popping assessment of how much of Russia’s overall military is devoted to the invasion of Ukraine:

We haven’t seen any indications that anything is moving right now outside of what they have already in Ukraine. But we know they said that they are suffering losses everyday losses of people, losses of equipment, losses of aircraft. And so, it certainly stands to reason that they would want to be exploring options to replenish those losses. Again, just haven’t seen an indication.

And as for, you know, how much of his total military that he has dedicated to this fight? We would estimate it’s around 75 percent of his total military committed to the fight in Ukraine.
My bold but shows it is not a new assessment.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...ry-to-ukraine/

BTW, this is different from this report on 28th Feb.

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Earlier on Monday a senior US defense official said that it is their assessment Russia has committed nearly 75% of its military power that it had arrayed around Ukraine ahead of the invasion.

The official said they were concerned with the “risks that come with a lack of Russian progress” especially the “use of rockets today and tube artillery — in Kyiv and Kharkiv — which risks being far more indiscriminate.”
https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-...7ad4b355aec8b9

Pierre 29-03-2022 21:07
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36117717)
Makes you wonder what the future has to hold for us. Fear of a Nuclear war will only allow Putin to get away with whatever he wants. When will that fear end. Not something I'd like to decide on.
Well this was my issue, and I admit I was of the opinion that a Russian victory, or a surrender on Russian terms was the inevitable outcome, but in the last several days my opinion is changing.

Listening to several expert views on this, that say that Putin is not mad, and certainly not suicidal, and that a nuclear exchange is really not on the cards, whatever the outcome.

It also looks like now Russia won’t/can’t win, and they are now looking for a way out with a weakened negotiation position.

It looks like, although the West seemed passive after the Crimean invasion, they weren’t and they have trained and armed Ukraine for this eventually.

This is truly amazing on geo-political scale. I witnessed the fall of the Soviet Union, I may well witness the fall of Russia as a meaningful world power.

They really are and should be a world power, but not under Putin.

Chris 29-03-2022 21:13
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36117732)
OK let's go with repots after the invasion then and before todays "breaking news"

I could probably find ealrier assessments but can't be bothered. Anyone actually following it will have seen them.



My bold but shows it is not a new assessment.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...ry-to-ukraine/

BTW, this is different from this report on 28th Feb.



https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-...7ad4b355aec8b9
So known a couple of weeks ago then. Fair enough - I’m following enough of the academic commentary on Twatter to understand that there has been rather too much fetishising of Russia’s supposed military might, and that those whose reputations rest on predictions of a two-day war are still, even now, pushing the narrative that grandmaster Putin is about to invade Odessa and encircle the Ukrainian army in the southeast. There has been much reluctance amongst many of the talking heads favoured by the news media to acknowledge that their received wisdom might just be wrong. But even the academic experts who have been cautioning us not to assume it’s all going to go Russia’s way are expressing surprise at just how much Russia has thrown at Ukraine and how little it’s gained.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1648584773

RichardCoulter 30-03-2022 16:40
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36117737)
So known a couple of weeks ago then. Fair enough - I’m following enough of the academic commentary on Twatter to understand that there has been rather too much fetishising of Russia’s supposed military might, and that those whose reputations rest on predictions of a two-day war are still, even now, pushing the narrative that grandmaster Putin is about to invade Odessa and encircle the Ukrainian army in the southeast. There has been much reluctance amongst many of the talking heads favoured by the news media to acknowledge that their received wisdom might just be wrong. But even the academic experts who have been cautioning us not to assume it’s all going to go Russia’s way are expressing surprise at just how much Russia has thrown at Ukraine and how little it’s gained.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1648584773
Yes, one good thing to come out of it is that we now know that the Russian army isn't as strong as was thought. A report yesterday said that they were using rifles from the 1940's!

I wonder who will pay to rebuild Ukraine if a resolution is agreed? Russia? Ukraine? Donations from other countries?

I know that it should be Russua, but if they refuse, I don't think that this would prevent the peace that Ukraine want.

Chris 30-03-2022 23:39
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36117799)
Yes, one good thing to come out of it is that we now know that the Russian army isn't as strong as was thought. A report yesterday said that they were using rifles from the 1940's!

I wonder who will pay to rebuild Ukraine if a resolution is agreed? Russia? Ukraine? Donations from other countries?

I know that it should be Russua, but if they refuse, I don't think that this would prevent the peace that Ukraine want.
Russia is fecked … its military is diminished and its economy is in the toilet. It’s going to have precious few resources to rebuild itself, let alone another country.

However, it is going to be better all round if western countries and their industries handle the rebuilding. Nothing will more completely seal Russia’s humiliation than watching Ukraine being rebuilt as an unabashed western democracy with western values and western materials.

Paul 31-03-2022 00:51
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36117717)
Fear of a Nuclear war will only allow Putin to get away with whatever he wants.
Given the poor state of his military and their equipment so far, hes probably afriad his missiles will explode on the launchpad. :erm:

TheDaddy 31-03-2022 01:37
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36117827)
Given the poor state of his military and their equipment so far, hes probably afriad his missiles will explode on the launchpad. :erm:
They're shooting their own planes down now apparently, oh and there is talk of a mutiny

OLD BOY 31-03-2022 07:50
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36117799)
Yes, one good thing to come out of it is that we now know that the Russian army isn't as strong as was thought. A report yesterday said that they were using rifles from the 1940's!

I wonder who will pay to rebuild Ukraine if a resolution is agreed? Russia? Ukraine? Donations from other countries?

I know that it should be Russua, but if they refuse, I don't think that this would prevent the peace that Ukraine want.
Russia should pay reparations in exchange for all sanctions being lifted.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36117821)
Russia is fecked … its military is diminished and its economy is in the toilet. It’s going to have precious few resources to rebuild itself, let alone another country.

However, it is going to be better all round if western countries and their industries handle the rebuilding. Nothing will more completely seal Russia’s humiliation than watching Ukraine being rebuilt as an unabashed western democracy with western values and western materials.
Good point....Ukraine could join NATO to boot, just to rub the salt in.

Paul 31-03-2022 13:25
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36117829)
They're shooting their own planes down now apparently, oh and there is talk of a mutiny
Source ?

Sephiroth 31-03-2022 13:32
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36117853)
Source ?
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Sir Jeremy, the director of the UK's intelligence, cyber and security agency, used a speech in Australia to reveal that demoralised and undisciplined Russian soldiers were refusing to carry out orders, sabotaging their own equipment "and even accidentally shooting down their own aircraft".
Today's paywalled Torygraph.

heero_yuy 31-03-2022 13:42
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Same story in The Sun here

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The eavesdroppers at GCHQ have picked up chatter of mutiny and discord in the ranks by intercepting phone calls, messages and emails.

Carth 01-04-2022 11:27
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I must admit to having a chuckle about Putin now wanting Russian gas to be bought with roubles into Russian banks, thought he'd pull this one much earlier ;)

Seems a few countries aren't too happy, bit of a bugger eh, having to break a few sanctions or suffer a big shortage :D

1andrew1 01-04-2022 12:32
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Reports that Ukraine may have made its first strike into Russian territory. Could be Russian propaganda though.
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Ukraine 'destroys fuel depot' in first airstrike on Russian territory

Further to reports we brought you earlier of a fire in Belgorod (see 6.30 post), it now appears the cause was an airstrike by Ukrainian helicopters on a fuel depot in the city.

This is of particular significance as the attack would represents the first time Ukraine's forces had crossed the border for an airstrike in Russia since the conflict began - and would be widely seen as a humiliation for Moscow.
See 07.55 at https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-l...nobyl-12541713

Jaymoss 01-04-2022 14:08
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Russia looking for reasons to escalate to dodgier weapons if you ask me

OLD BOY 01-04-2022 16:37
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36117959)
Russia looking for reasons to escalate to dodgier weapons if you ask me
Except, that would not be an excuse.

Sooner or later, Putin will have to give in and the longer he persists with this warped idea of taking over Ukraine, the more embarrassing that climb down will become.

I dare say that after the attack by Ukraine (if it was, in fact, by them) and with Putin’s overactive imagination, he may be thinking that Ukraine wants to take over Russia. Now there’s a thought.

pip08456 03-04-2022 14:41
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NATO allies to facilitate transfer of Soviet T-72 tanks to Ukraine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/01/u...s-ukraine.html

Chris 03-04-2022 16:50
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36118035)
NATO allies to facilitate transfer of Soviet T-72 tanks to Ukraine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/01/u...s-ukraine.html
Added to the ones reclaimed by their farmers, Ukraine is going to have more serviceable tanks than the Russians …

Itshim 03-04-2022 19:03
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36117964)
Except, that would not be an excuse.

Sooner or later, Putin will have to give in and the longer he persists with this warped idea of taking over Ukraine, the more embarrassing that climb down will become.

I dare say that after the attack by Ukraine (if it was, in fact, by them) and with Putin’s overactive imagination, he may be thinking that Ukraine wants to take over Russia. Now there’s a thought.
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36117952)
Reports that Ukraine may have made its first strike into Russian territory. Could be Russian propaganda though.

See 07.55 at https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-l...nobyl-12541713
And Russia is moaning that they have been attacked , priceless:shocked:

pip08456 04-04-2022 22:01
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36118038)
Added to the ones reclaimed by their farmers, Ukraine is going to have more serviceable tanks than the Russians …
They've captured more than tanks. Here's a list of documented equipment either destroyed, abandonded by Russinh troops or captured ny Ukrainian forces. It is updated daily although today they announced a backlog they are still working through (on twitter) since yesterday. This could be due to the evidence of more since the Russian retreat.

They also list Ukrainian losses in the same way.

https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/0...equipment.html

An interesting report from Forbes in Dec 2019 Re Ukrainian T64'a and Russian T64's and later models, T72's, T80's, etc.
Don't worry it's short.

Obviously from before the current situation.

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Ukraine’s Tanks Could Be Better Than Russia’s. It Might Not Matter.

The Russian army has massed around 1,200 tanks for a possible invasion of Ukraine. The tanks include the latest T-90s plus upgraded T-72s.

Across the border, the Ukrainian army has mobilized its own armor for a possible defensive campaign. Ukraine possesses some of the same tank models that Russia does, but Kiev’s best tank—an updated T-64—is uniquely Ukrainian.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidax...ht-not-matter/

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In Soviet doctrine, which the Russian and Ukrainian armies both follow, tanks rarely fight tanks. But if and when Russia overtly invades Ukraine and sharply escalates the seven-year, frozen conflict in eastern Ukraine, tanks on both sides will play key roles in offense and defense, helping to shape the battlefield so that the decisive force—artillery—can do its terrible work.
Russia ,sort of, admits genocide via official news agency. Here's a snippet but if you really care it is a long one but lays it all out.

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RIA NOVOSTI has clarified Russia’s plans vis-à-vis Ukraine and the rest of the free world in a program like article: What Russia should do with Ukraine?

Back in April last year, we wrote about the inevitability of the denazification of Ukraine. We do not need Nazi (read Ukrainian), Bandera type of Ukraine (read Ukrainian), as the enemy of Russia and the West’s tool for the destruction of Russia. Today, the issue of denazification has moved into a practical landscape.

Denazification is necessary when a significant part of the people – most likely the majority – has been mastered and drawn into the Nazi policy in its politics. That is, when the hypothesis “the people are good – the government is bad” does not work. Recognition of this fact is the basis of the policy of denazification, of all its measures, and the fact itself is its subject matter.

Ukraine is in just such a situation. The fact that the Ukrainian voter voted for the “peace of Poroshenko” and “peace of Zelensky” should not be misleading – the Ukrainians were quite satisfied with the shortest path to peace through the blitzkrieg, which the last two Ukrainian presidents transparently hinted at when they were elected. It was this method of “appeasement” of internal anti-fascists – through total terror – that was used in Odessa, Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Mariupol, and other Russian cities. And this quite suited the common Ukrainian. Denazification is a set of measures in relation to the nazified population mass, which technically cannot be subjected to direct punishment as war criminals.
https://ccl.org.ua/en/news/ria-novos...ith-ukraine-2/

RichardCoulter 05-04-2022 00:20
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The war crimes by Russian troops reported on todays news made me feel physically sick.

Calling them animals was an insult to the animal kingdom though.

ianch99 05-04-2022 08:56
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Came across this video on an assessment of Russian Military in Ukraine, very interesting. Remember he did this only 7 days in to the conflict ..

1andrew1 05-04-2022 14:15
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Irish fuel companies refuse to sell Russian embassy in Dublin fuel.
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Russian Embassy urges Irish government to intervene as it faces fuel shortage with companies refusing to deliver supplies

In a letter seen by the Irish Mirror, the Russians – ironically one of the world’s biggest oil exporters before the Ukraine invasion – have requested Foreign Affairs “intervenes into this clearly discriminatory case”.

A source said: “The embassy is struggling because no one wants to do business with them as a result of what’s happening in Ukraine. It’s not only some oil companies they’re having issues with, it’s banks too and many more businesses.”
https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/iris...nment-26635546

Mick 05-04-2022 15:06
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BREAKING: US Secretary of State Antony Blinken slams 'deliberate campaign to kill, to torture, to rape' in Bucha, Ukraine joins allies demands in removing Russia from United Nations Human Rights Council. - AFP News Agency.

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NATO Chief: Jen Stoltenberg - Russia is refocusing efforts on taking Donbas

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Kremlin calls U.S President Joe Biden's "War criminal" comment against Vladimir Putin totally unacceptable and unworthy.

TheDaddy 05-04-2022 22:34
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36118180)
BREAKING: US Secretary of State Antony Blinken slams 'deliberate campaign to kill, to torture, to rape' in Bucha, Ukraine joins allies demands in removing Russia from United Nations Human Rights Council. - AFP News Agency.
Why is anyone surprised, they've always been an army of rapists, 2 million German women and girls were raped by them, some really unfortunates up to 60 or 70 times, they're **** and always have been and be in no doubt this wouldn't have happened if they'd had a quick victory or else did they have kill lists?

Hugh 06-04-2022 21:17
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https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...-loss-of-su-35

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Russia has lost its first Sukhoi Su-35 ‘Flanker-E' multirole fighter on combat operations over Ukraine, imagery posted online on 3 April reveal.

The premier operational combat aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) reportedly came down in the Kharkiv region of eastern Ukraine, near the town of Izyum.
At $65 million a pop, that’s got to smart…

Chris 07-04-2022 09:26
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The US Senate has unanimously passed a law designed to make it easier for Biden to send military aid to Ukraine. The symbolism of calling it the “Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act” shouldn’t go unnoticed.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...lease-00023668

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The Senate unanimously passed major legislation late Wednesday to revive a World War II-era program allowing President Joe Biden to more efficiently send weapons and other supplies to Ukraine amid Russia’s bloody invasion.

Senators quickly rallied behind the proposal, known as Lend-Lease, as Ukraine’s military proved it could fend off Russian troops who have been shelling Ukrainian cities and towns since late February. The Lend-Lease program created during World War II was seen as a game-changer in the conflict, as it allowed the U.S. to quickly resupply the Allies without time-consuming procedural hurdles.

pip08456 07-04-2022 10:36
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36118378)
The US Senate has unanimously passed a law designed to make it easier for Biden to send military aid to Ukraine. The symbolism of calling it the “Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act” shouldn’t go unnoticed.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/0...lease-00023668
Yes, I wonder what elese they will be supplying bestsides what they have up to now?

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Blinken: for every Russian tank Ukraine has 10 anti-tank systems.

During an interview with NBC, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said the U.S. and its allies have provided or will soon provide Ukraine with “10 anti-tank systems for every single Russian tank.”

Blinken also said that while it may take time, there is “no scenario” in which Ukraine does not win.
Kyiv Independent

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Washington:

Ukrainian soldiers are being trained in the United States to operate the deadly Switchblade drones that Washington is supplying to Kyiv, a Pentagon official said Wednesday.

Defense Department spokesman John Kirby said it was a "very small" number of Ukrainian troops who were already present in the US before Russia invaded their country.

"We took the opportunity, having them still in the country, to give them a couple of days' worth of training on the Switchblades, so they can go back... to train others in the Ukrainian military," according to Kirby.
https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/pent...-in-us-2867567

Carth 07-04-2022 10:45
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One wonders if China will start supplying Russia in part of a deal concerning cheaper Gas ;)

pip08456 07-04-2022 11:00
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Well I'm shocked, I've just watched his speach and actually agree with Guy Verhofstadt.

https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/s...67812137377804

Chris 07-04-2022 11:02
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36118389)
Well I'm shocked, I've just watched his speach and actually agree with Guy Verhofstadt.

https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/s...67812137377804
It must be contagious … I found myself agreeing with Mario Draghi this morning (talking about potential energy shortages, he gave a speech in which he asked whether people wanted air con or peace in Europe).

Hom3r 07-04-2022 11:59
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One thing that has had me thinking.

Growing up, the USA and the USSR were 2 superpowers with nukes aimed at each other, waiting for the other to blink.

Now Russia seems to be a weak nation with a poor military might.

They should have walked in and taken over Ukraine with minimal resistance, dare I say shooting fish in a barrel.

Now is this the real Russian military, or a massive bluff, and they have far better weapons than it appears?

1andrew1 07-04-2022 12:03
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36118389)
Well I'm shocked, I've just watched his speach and actually agree with Guy Verhofstadt.

https://twitter.com/guyverhofstadt/s...67812137377804
He can be a bit annoying but that was a great speech.

Jaymoss 07-04-2022 12:04
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36118393)
One thing that has had me thinking.

Growing up, the USA and the USSR were 2 superpowers with nukes aimed at each other, waiting for the other to blink.

Now Russia seems to be a weak nation with a poor military might.

They should have walked in and taken over Ukraine with minimal resistance, dare I say shooting fish in a barrel.

Now is this the real Russian military, or a massive bluff, and they have far better weapons than it appears?
Historically speaking invading and holding a country has never been easy. Korea Vietnam Afghanistan and now Ukraine. TBH in the last 100 + years Germany is the only country had and real success with the exception of Iraq I suppose but even then...

The USSR only existed I believe because of WWII

1andrew1 07-04-2022 12:05
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36118393)
One thing that has had me thinking.

Growing up, the USA and the USSR were 2 superpowers with nukes aimed at each other, waiting for the other to blink.

Now Russia seems to be a weak nation with a poor military might.

They should have walked in and taken over Ukraine with minimal resistance, dare I say shooting fish in a barrel.

Now is this the real Russian military, or a massive bluff, and they have far better weapons than it appears?
Why minimal resistance? Ukraine has been preparing for the invasion since the 2014 invasion of the Crimea.

Chris 07-04-2022 12:07
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36118393)
One thing that has had me thinking.

Growing up, the USA and the USSR were 2 superpowers with nukes aimed at each other, waiting for the other to blink.

Now Russia seems to be a weak nation with a poor military might.

They should have walked in and taken over Ukraine with minimal resistance, dare I say shooting fish in a barrel.

Now is this the real Russian military, or a massive bluff, and they have far better weapons than it appears?
You’re suffering from the very widely held myth of Russian military might. So deep is this myth, that it led to a total failure of even the most seasoned military analysts to predict Russia would have difficulties if the Ukrainians put up any resistance at all. So deep is this myth that for almost the entire first month of the conflict a great many people continued to say how sure they were that Putin’s grand master plan was about to be revealed, and Ukraine would soon be crushed.

The strength of an army does not lie in a paper record of how many troops or tanks it has. It lies in its willingness to fight, its command and control and in its logistical support. America has been so exceptionally good at logistics over the past 20 years that the world has assumed it’s easy for a great power to simply roll into another country (like Iraq, or Afghanistan) and take it over. But it isn’t.

Russian command and control is abysmal, its logistics are up the shaft, and its stockpiles of equipment are fatally compromised by decades of endemic corruption. And unlike 2014, the Ukrainians were skilled up, tooled up and waiting for them, and highly motivated to defend their homeland in a way Russian conscripts who have been pressured into signing up for regular service never will be. I’m quite sure that the maximum extent of Russian control in Ukraine has already passed. That’s not to say there aren’t hard times ahead in Luhansk and Donetsk, but from now on it will all be happening down there, and if NATO gets its act together and stops making artificial distinctions between defensive and offensive arms, and sends more and bigger items to Ukraine, then slowly but steadily Russia will be pushed back.

1andrew1 07-04-2022 12:11
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36118396)
Historically speaking invading and holding a country has never been easy. Korea Vietnam Afghanistan and now Ukraine. TBH in the last 100 + years Germany is the only country had and real success with the exception of Iraq I suppose but even then...

The USSR only existed I believe because of WWII
At one time, it was easier - think of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and the British, French, Portugese and Spanish colonies too.

Jaymoss 07-04-2022 12:13
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36118399)
At one time, it was easier - think of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and the British, French, Portugese and Spanish colonies too.
Hence why I said 100 + years and not more hahaha should have perhaps put modern history

spiderplant 07-04-2022 12:51
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36118393)
Now is this the real Russian military, or a massive bluff, and they have far better weapons than it appears?
If you've got an hour to spare, watch the video ianch99 posted a couple of days ago. (But to save you an hour: Russia has spent its money on weapons that aren't useful in Ukraine)

pip08456 07-04-2022 15:53
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Don't know what percentage this represents but it must be in the 20% region.

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Western official: 29 Russian BTGs "rendered non-combat effective, so they've had to be either taken out of the line in order to be refurbished and reconstituted, or they've had to be amalgamated with other battalion tactical groups to generate a single group out of...three."
And as if by magic a post by Phillips P. O'Brian

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A really good summary of a western intelligence briefing. One of the things that stands out is a few tweets down where it’s said that 29 Russian BTGs have been rendered combat ‘non-effective’. Russia has only deployed approx 130, so that’s more than 22%. These are heavy losses

ianch99 07-04-2022 15:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36118403)
If you've got an hour to spare, watch the video ianch99 posted a couple of days ago. (But to save you an hour: Russia has spent its money on weapons that aren't useful in Ukraine)
The video made in fact by a Video Gamer, 7 days into the conflict is very informative. One of the comments:

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Serving Royal Navy Logistics officer here. This video was quite honestly at a level that you would normally expect from a presentation at the Joint Command Staff College. What a pleasant surprise. Your fundamental understanding of how military capability should emanate from a national strategy underpins the essence of how staggering the decision to even begin this conflict in the first place actually was.

pip08456 07-04-2022 17:18
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British Harpoon anti-ship missiles have been delivered to Odesa. TBC.

Pierre 07-04-2022 18:21
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36118396)
The USSR only existed I believe because of WWII
The Soviet Union existed preWW2, it’s just that all the territory they gained in pushing the Nazis back, they kept.

pip08456 07-04-2022 19:08
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As expected.

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United Nations suspends Russia from human rights body over Ukraine.
https://www.reuters.com/world/un-vot...ne-2022-04-07/

Breaking: 60 Russian Para's refuse to fight in Ukraine.

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Approximately 60 paratroopers from Russia’s Pskov region have refused to be deployed to Ukraine, newspaper Pskovskaya Gubernia has reported.

Paratroopers from the area were sent to Belarus days after Russia invaded Ukraine on Feb. 24, the outlet wrote Wednesday. They reported that a large number of soldiers were returned to Pskov and fired after refusing to fight — with some also threatened with criminal prosecution for desertion.

Local activist Nikolay Kuzmin said that he had spoken with a driver who helped transport troops back to Pskov, and that he had corroborated the story.

Pskovskaya Gubernia later wrote that military sources expect the number of servicemen refusing to fight in Ukraine to rise significantly. “Our sources tell that commanders now won’t accept any resignation reports,” the paper said. “Many servicemen send them to the military prosecutor’s office instead.”
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/...reports-a77265

ianch99 08-04-2022 08:10
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Where have Mick's war updates gone :(

Mick 08-04-2022 11:05
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Apologies, I’ve been on leave this last few weeks. Bit of break from here too. Those horrific civilian casualties, innocent people, including young children being slaughtered by the Russians murderous Putin, so gut wrenching. :(

I’ll start posting regular updates from today, starting with:

Latest UK Intel:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1649411631

Mick 08-04-2022 11:45
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BREAKING: Kremlin shockingly admits for the first time to outside world that it’s suffered heavy losses: Kremlin spokesman Peskov has reportedly told Sky News, “We have significant losses of troops and it’s a huge tragedy”.

Sky News, went on to say: “His admission stood in stark contrast to repeated statements from Moscow that have sought to minimise estimations around the number of casualties its forces have suffered.” - Sky News

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NEW: A senior European official has called the expulsion of Russian diplomats from Baltic States, Lithuania and Latvia, a "major disruption" to Russia's intelligence, potentially a permanent one. - Washington Post.

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BREAKING: EU's embargo on Russian coal to start in August.

The fifth package of the EU sanctions also includes a ban on Russian vessels with several exceptions; a ban on Russian and Belarusian road transport with a number of exceptions; further export and import bans. - Kyiv Independent.

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JUST IN: President Zelenskyy reacts to train station missiles attack in Kramatorsk in which 30 civilians were killed, loads more injured:

“Lacking the strength and courage to fight with us on the battlefield, they (Russians) are cynically destroying the civilian population. This is an evil that has no limits. And if it is not punished, it will never stop.” Kyiv Independent.

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U.S Defense Secretary: Putin ‘probably given up’ on capturing Kyiv, shift focus to east and south.

Lloyd Austin said that Russian dictator Vladimir Putin “thought he could rapidly take over the country of Ukraine, very rapidly take over the capital city. He was wrong.” - Kyiv Independent

Mick 08-04-2022 12:45
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Mick 08-04-2022 14:12
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BREAKING: Slovakia sends S-300 air defense system to Ukraine.

“We believe that this system will help save as many as possible innocent Ukrainians,” Slovak Prime Minister Eduard Heger said on April 8. - Kyiv Independent.

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NEW: Ukraine Minister of Defence pleads to allies for additional weapons, Olenskii Reznikov Says:

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Russia has failed to break through our defences in 3 or 30 days.Ukraine won the first round of the war, but it enters a phase of competition for resources. Which in Russia are almost endless, compared to Ukraine. To win, we need different help than what we have received before.

We need other weapons:
air defence systems and combat aircraft
Long-Range Artillery Missile complexes, MLRS and heavy artillery
tanks and AVs
anti-ship missiles
reconnaissance and strike drones.

Ukraine needs to get the weapons used by NATO countries ASAP. Cost of war for Russia will increase dramatically. This will strengthen NATO's eastern flank. Ukraine Armed Forces is quickly acquiring new weapons.


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UK imposes sanctions on families of Putin, Lavrov.

British assets of Vladimir Putin’s alleged daughters – Katerina Tikhonova & Maria Vorontsova – as well as the possessions of Sergey Lavrov’s daughter Yekaterina Vinokurova, are frozen.

They are banned from entering the UK.- Kyiv Independent.

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BREAKING: For the first time since 1994, Legendary Rock group, Pink Floyd release a new single as Humanitarian effort for Ukraine. They announced today via Twitter:

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Pink Floyd's new single, Hey Hey Rise Up - feat Andriy Khlyvnyuk - is out now worldwide.

Download / stream at pinkfloyd.lnk.to/HeyHeyRiseUp

All proceeds of the song will go to Ukrainian Humanitarian Relief.

Watch the full video with subtitles in Ukrainian and English below.

TheDaddy 08-04-2022 15:02
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36118481)
BREAKING: Slovakia sends S-300 air defense system to Ukraine.

“We believe that this system will help save as many as possible innocent Ukrainians,” Slovak Prime Minister Eduard Heger said on April 8. - Kyiv Independent.
Germany is scrapping hundreds of Marder light tanks as we speak, can think of better uses for them

Carth 08-04-2022 15:13
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36118498)
Germany is scrapping hundreds of Marder light tanks as we speak, can think of better uses for them
Scholz holds up German tank deliveries to Ukraine
https://www.politico.eu/article/scho...ry-to-ukraine/

No idea if these were the 'scrapped' ones, as quite a few are being/have been upgraded. Article does mention . .

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Because the tanks standing on the Rheinmetall grounds are largely decommissioned military materiél, they would have to be refurbished before being sent to Ukraine. One workaround could be to instead send identical models from the German army to Ukraine and later replace the army’s tanks with the refurbished ones.
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There are logistical problems, though: Germany would need to train Ukrainian soldiers to use these tanks, teach mechanics how to maintain them and ensure a supply of munitions and spare parts, the officials said.

Strack-Zimmermann warned that such steps could not be done on Ukrainian soil “because under international law, we would then be a party to the war.”

Mick 08-04-2022 15:47
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JUST NOW: Al Arabiya: Russia, Ukraine willing to hold talks in Turkey.

A Turkish official told Al Arabiya news outlet that “both Russia and Ukraine are willing to hold talks in Turkey, but they are far from agreeing on a common text” after Russia massacred Ukrainian civilians in Bucha. - Kyiv Independent.

If I was a negotiator trying to arrange peace talks, with essentially the “Devil”, I’d set some pre-conditions before even confirming to commit to such a meeting:

Immediate ceasefire on all sides. Russia must stop its bombardments from Belarusian soil, Black Sea.

Release of Ukrainian Civilians reportedly kidnapped and taken to Russia, that it is if they are even alive.

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UPDATE: Death toll rises to 50, including 5 children killed in Russian attack on Kramatorsk train station.

According to Donetsk Oblast Governor Pavlo Kyrylenko, 98 people, including 16 children were hospitalized. - Kyiv Independent.

We all know Russia is crap one on one with Ukrainian military so the murdering cowards, go for easy targets instead.

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BREAKING: Prime Minister Boris Johnson, has just announced from 10 Downing Street, after a meeting with new German Chancellor Olaf Scholz that he will send a further 100 Million pounds worth of military equipment to Ukraine, including Starstreak hardware. Boris Johnson decried: “The Europe we knew just 6 weeks ago, no longer exists.”

Mick 08-04-2022 17:08
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Mick 08-04-2022 17:16
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JUST IN: The United States will reposition one Patriot missile system in Slovakia to backfill the Russian-made S-300 air defenses sent to Ukraine today, U.S Secretary of Defence, Lloyd Austin said.

The US battery in Slovakia will be manned by US troops. The US has Aegis Ashore in Romania and soon in Poland. - Jack Detsch, Foreign Policy.

Chris 08-04-2022 17:22
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So Ukraine is beginning to get the weapons it needs if it’s to press attacks against Russia in the occupied south and east. Many of the experts I’m reading are stating that comprehensive anti-air defence (much more than the low-altitude systems they have had so far) are what will be required if the Ukrainian army is to go on the offensive. The S-300 is just such a system, designed to defend against high-altitude fast jets. Meanwhile the UK is sending Starstreak, which can destroy jets and helicopters that try to avoid high-altitude defence systems by flying low.

Mick 08-04-2022 17:58
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Following Ukrainian Map Intel backs up U.S Defence Secretaries assessment that Putin appears to have given up on Kyiv, the Ukrainian Capital:

Day 21, 16th March 2022:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1649436948

Day 43, yesterday, 7th April 2022:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1649436973

Mick 08-04-2022 18:11
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U.S President Joe Biden responds to Train Station attack earlier today:

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The attack on a Ukrainian train station is yet another horrific atrocity committed by Russia, striking civilians who were trying to evacuate and reach safety.

We will continue our security assistance and weapons deliveries to help Ukraine defend their country. And, together with our allies and partners, we will support efforts to investigate this attack as we document Russia’s actions and hold them accountable.

Damien 08-04-2022 18:32
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How is this going to end?

Realistically Putin needs a face-saving reason to exist but at the same time any concessions will reward him for the invasion and encourage him to do it again. Ideally, we would keep sanctions applied but I see Russia demanding the most effective sanctions are removed and several EU countries being willing to remove them in return for an end to the war due to their own domestic concerns.

Russia probably has the resources to keep a low-level war going for years. They can't be totally defeated. Do we just keep this going until Putin dies or what?

1andrew1 08-04-2022 19:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36118535)
How is this going to end?

Realistically Putin needs a face-saving reason to exist but at the same time any concessions will reward him for the invasion and encourage him to do it again. Ideally, we would keep sanctions applied but I see Russia demanding the most effective sanctions are removed and several EU countries being willing to remove them in return for an end to the war due to their own domestic concerns.

Russia probably has the resources to keep a low-level war going for years. They can't be totally defeated. Do we just keep this going until Putin dies or what?
I'm not sure Russia can keep this going for years, war is expensive, sanctions more so. It's not an economic super power like the USA.

Assuming Ukranian success, the question is whether Ukraine will be allowed to retain the the Crimea which Russia gained in 2014 and also the status of the nominally independent republics of Donetsk and Luhansk. I think previously Ukraine's line has been that the lives lost in regaining these territories would not be worthwhile, but that view could obviously change.

If Russia lost the Crimea, I can't see Putin surviving in power. So could there be pressure on Ukraine by the West to get this back?

Mick 08-04-2022 20:03
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BREAKING: Ukraine's General Staff: More than 80% of Russian troops in some units refuse to fight.

Russian commanders reportedly refuse to accept applications for the dismissal of military personnel, even from those whose contracts have already expired. - Kyiv Independent.

pip08456 08-04-2022 22:17
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The EU's Commission President Von der Leyen visited Bucha today and she this to say.

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European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said during a visit to Ukraine Friday that Russia’s Vladimir Putin “has to fail and Ukraine has to win.”

Speaking to CNN’s Christiane Amanpour after a visit to Bucha — a town just outside Kyiv where authorities discovered roads lined with civilians apparently tied up and shot at close range, as well as mass graves of local residents — von der Leyen said: “It is horrible. There are almost no words that can explain what I saw. There were still the bodies. Atrocious. Unbelievable. Shocking. This is the brutal face of Putin’s war.”

Von der Leyen said she had been discussing with Ukrainian Prime Minister Denys Shmyhal “where we can step up, be it sanction, be it financial support, be it support with the refugees and the internally displaced and of course support for arms. … They will get more arms.”
https://www.politico.eu/article/von-...0aWQfBXIwRWk7I

Mick 09-04-2022 12:07
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BREAKING: Finland bans overland freight transport with Russian, Belarusian license plates.

The measure came into effect on April 9 according to the sanctions imposed by the European Union. - Kyiv Independent.

Mick 09-04-2022 12:09
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Mick 09-04-2022 15:39
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BREAKING: Prime Minister Boris Johnson meets with President Zelenskyy in secret trip to Ukraine.

Sephiroth 09-04-2022 15:42
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36118630)
BREAKING: Prime Minister Boris Johnson meets with President Zelenskyy in secret trip to Ukraine.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61052643

They even managed to fly the Union Flag in (when you see the picture).

joglynne 09-04-2022 15:45
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Just came on to give a link to Boris Johnson being in Ukraine.
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Prime Minister Boris Johnson has travelled to Kyiv to meet Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelenskyy in a "show of solidarity".

"Right now a visit of Boris Johnson in Kyiv started from one-on-one meeting with President Zelenskiy," Andriy Sybiha,
deputy head of Ukraine's president office, said on Facebook.

A Downing Street spokesperson said the PM was making the trip "in a show of solidarity with the Ukrainian people".

"They will discuss the UK's long term support to Ukraine and the PM will set out a new package of financial and military aid," the spokesperson added.
https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-w...-kyiv-12586193

Jaymoss 09-04-2022 16:37
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Is he the first to do it? Got to give him props for that deffo

Mad Max 09-04-2022 16:55
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36118634)
Is he the first to do it? Got to give him props for that deffo
Yes, but he has more important stuff to deal with, you know, parties and all that..:erm:

1andrew1 09-04-2022 19:30
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36118634)
Is he the first to do it? Got to give him props for that deffo
Not the first but still a good, supportive move.

Jaymoss 09-04-2022 19:44
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36118651)
Not the first but still a good, supportive move.
what other world leaders have been?

Found that the prime ministers of Poland, Slovenia and the Czech Republic have

spiderplant 09-04-2022 19:56
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36118655)
what other world leaders have been?

Found that the prime ministers of Poland, Slovenia and the Czech Republic have
+ Austria, Slovakia and the EU/EC

https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/last

Mick 09-04-2022 22:35
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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36118658)
+ Austria, Slovakia and the EU/EC

https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/last
Did they walk streets of Kyiv tho and meet and talk with ordinary Ukrainian civilians, all the while potential bombs could come raining down?

I’m no fan of Boris, but when he’s on the international stage, he represents our country and I’m proud that Ukraine sees the UK as a resounding show of support, to see the Ukraine people appreciate our help.

They don’t care about our petty politics here, their country is at war, they’re fighting for their right to live.



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NEW: confirming the UK is sending Harpoon anti-ship missiles to Ukraine. Huge move, can do serious damage to Russian warships. - Paul Mcleary, Politico, Washington DC.

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Russian governor accuses Ukraine of firing mortars at Russian territory.

Kursk Oblast Governor Roman Starovoyt claimed that a border crossing in Elizavetovka, located several kilometers away from Ukraine’s Sumy Oblast, was shelled on April 9. - Kyiv Independent.

1andrew1 09-04-2022 22:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36118655)
what other world leaders have been?

Found that the prime ministers of Poland, Slovenia and the Czech Republic have
Yes, they very bravely - or foolishly, depending on your perspective went the middle of last month when Kyiv was still under Russian bombardment. I believe Johnson wanted to go then too but was warned against it.
https://inews.co.uk/news/world/three...ne-war-1518138

Mick 09-04-2022 22:43
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Following Johnson's surprise visit to Kyiv on April 9, President Volodymyr Zelensky called Johnson “a friend” and “one of the most principled opponents of the Russian invasion.” - Kyiv Independent.

ianch99 09-04-2022 22:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36118683)
I’m no fan of Boris, but when he’s on the international stage, he represents our country and I’m proud that Ukraine sees the UK as a resounding show of support, to see the Ukraine people appreciate our help.

They don’t care about our petty politics here, their country is at war, they’re fighting for their right to live.
Totally agree, well said

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Very powerful message:

UK prime minister and President of Ukraine, walking on Kyiv’s streets.

pip08456 10-04-2022 09:48
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BREAKING: Kharkiv region: Ukrainian military destroyed big Russian military column on the way to Izyum.

https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/10-apr...-destroyed-big

Mick 10-04-2022 12:11
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Mick 10-04-2022 12:13
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Ukraine, Russia agree on 9 humanitarian corridors for April 10. Civilians will be evacuating from:

▪️Mariupol in Donetsk Oblast;

▪️Berdyansk, Tokmak, Energodar in Zaporizhzhia Oblast;

▪️Sievierodonetsk, Lysychansk, Popasna, Hirske, and Rubizhne in Luhansk Oblast.

Russia fires 7 missiles at Dnipro overnight, destroying unnamed infrastructure facility.

Air raid sirens went off almost every hour in Dnipropetrovsk Oblast. According to Governor Valentyn Reznichenko, Russian missile also hit an industrial facility in Pavlograd.- Kyiv Independent.

Mick 10-04-2022 16:53
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BREAKING: Putin, Lukashenko to meet in Russian Far East on April 12.

The two dictators will discuss the war in Ukraine at Vostochny Cosmodrome in the Russian Far East.

Russian state-controlled media reported that there will be a press conference after the meeting. - Kyiv Independent.

Chris 10-04-2022 17:10
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36118725)
BREAKING: Putin, Lukashenko to meet in Russian Far East on April 12.

The two dictators will discuss the war in Ukraine at Vostochny Cosmodrome in the Russian Far East.

Russian state-controlled media reported that there will be a press conference after the meeting. - Kyiv Independent.
As far away from the war zone as possible. Meanwhile European leaders are going to Kyiv one after another to stand alongside Ukraine.

What a pair of absolute cowards.

Mick 10-04-2022 17:14
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Damien 10-04-2022 18:37
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I was wondering if it was better to do it in secret or make it more public? I suspect Russia would be less likely to target Kyiv or the train if they knew a NATO leader was there.

Mick 10-04-2022 20:15
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Austrian Chancellor to visit Moscow on April 11.

Chancellor Karl Nehammer, who visited Kyiv on April 9, will be the first EU leader to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin since Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24. - Kyiv Independent

pip08456 10-04-2022 21:38
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Poland to deliver 100 T-72 tanks to Ukraine.

https://avia-pro.net/news/polsha-otp...00-tankov-t-72

Mr K 10-04-2022 21:42
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36118743)
Poland to deliver 100 T-72 tanks to Ukraine.

https://avia-pro.net/news/polsha-otp...00-tankov-t-72
They can have all the equipment in the world but if they run out of soldiers to use them, then not much good.
If we want to stop Putin then supplying arms isn't enough.

Chris 10-04-2022 21:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36118744)
They can have all the equipment in the world but if they run out of soldiers to use them, then not much good.
If we want to stop Putin then supplying arms isn't enough.
Ukraine has more volunteers than it can integrate at present, mostly from within its own population. Manpower really isn’t their issue. The sorts of arms we supply is the issue, and as the things they need for the next phase of the war are the sorts of things that carry heightened escalation risk, I think we’re less likely to hear about them much.

That said, I believe our top men are presently trying to work out how to modify the Royal Navy’s obsolete ship-to-ship Harpoon missiles so they can be accurately fired from the shore. We were in the process of retiring these anyway, so if a way can be found to deploy them, Ukraine can basically have the lot. That will make it more or less impossible for the Russian navy to manoeuvre within 50 miles of Ukraine’s southwestern coast around Odessa.

Mick 11-04-2022 11:44
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BREAKING: The Times: Finland, Sweden set to join NATO as soon as summer.

Officials are quoted as having said that Russia made a “massive strategic blunder,” as the two countries are forecasted to join the alliance in the coming months. - Kyiv Independent.

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Russian oil embargo could be part of sixth round of EU sanctions.

The Foreign Ministers of Ireland, Lithuania and the Netherlands said on April 11 that the EU is drafting proposals for the bloc’s oil embargo on Russia, although there is yet no agreement regarding the measure. - Kyiv Independent

Mick 11-04-2022 11:52
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OLD BOY 11-04-2022 17:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36118744)
They can have all the equipment in the world but if they run out of soldiers to use them, then not much good.
If we want to stop Putin then supplying arms isn't enough.
It’s the Ruskies who are running out of soldiers. According to today’s Telegraph, Putin is having to conscript soldiers who retired 10 years ago because their losses are so bad.

Chris 11-04-2022 20:42
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Some further musings on just how badly fecked the Russian army might be right now.

https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/...MLzS7ot1Rw83aQ

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Russian loss rates, with the present evidence, are already reaching levels that compare to some of the worst losses of the US Civil War or World War I.

Mick 11-04-2022 22:05
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BREAKING: Biden spokesperson says U.S President not planning to visit Kyiv.

Meanwhile, British PM Boris Johnson, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and EU Foreign Minister Josep Borrell have recently visited Kyiv.

French President Emmanuel Macron said on April 11 he would only go to Kyiv "if it triggers something, not for an embassy visit." - Kyiv Independent

Jaymoss 11-04-2022 22:18
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Only thing the French would trigger is a surrender

Mick 11-04-2022 23:03
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BREAKING: POTENTIAL Chemical weapons attack in Mariupol: From Foreign Secretary Liz Truss tweeted in last few minutes: Reports that Russian forces may have used chemical agents in an attack on the people of Mariupol. We are working urgently with partners to verify details.

Any use of such weapons would be a callous escalation in this conflict and we will hold Putin and his regime to account.

pip08456 11-04-2022 23:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36118795)
BREAKING: POTENTIAL Chemical weapons attack in Mariupol: From Foreign Secretary Liz Truss tweeted in last few minutes: Reports that Russian forces may have used chemical agents in an attack on the people of Mariupol. We are working urgently with partners to verify details.

Any use of such weapons would be a callous escalation in this conflict and we will hold Putin and his regime to account.
I would not be surprised considering the General in charge.

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The Kremlin has tapped Army General Aleksandr Dvornikov, who commands Russia’s forces in the southern military district, to lead the war in Ukraine, U.S. national-security adviser Jake Sullivan said in an interview with CNN on April 10...

...Dvornikov has a notorious reputation for his conduct of the war in Syria, where Russia bombed civilian districts. Putin awarded Dvornikov the Hero of Russia medal, one of the country’s highest awards, for his work in Syria.
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-new-g.../31795887.html

Chris 12-04-2022 11:48
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Nobody’s in a hurry this morning to treat this report of chemical weapons use as confirmed, or even likely. Ukraine’s government is assuming it was phosphorus at present.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61077641

Meanwhile, there’s evidence Ukrainian special forces have sortied into Belgorod in Russia and blown up a railway bridge. Whether or not they did it (and it seems very likely they did), it will make it even harder for Russia to get supplies into Donbas.

https://twitter.com/phillipspobrien/...jGvzpHq7pmORQw

It has to say something about the defensive capabilities of the supposedly mighty Russia that Ukraine has been able to repeatedly enter the country by land and air to blow stuff up.

pip08456 12-04-2022 18:07
Re: Russia has invaded Ukraine
 
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Irpin-Kyiv temp bridge (original blown up by Ukraine in defence of Kyiv) appears to be British designed MGB (Medium Girder Bridge).

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1649783224

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_Girder_Bridge


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