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Quite.

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Keep 'em coming Old Boy!

This one put a smile on my face this morning. :)

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Honestly I really don't care how I get my fix as long as I do :shocked:

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So now Netflix is looking to live stream some content , wonder what they plan next……………..channels :D

https://gizmodo.com/netflix-live-str...1848933038/amp

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It’s almost like there’s a benefit in people watching the exact same thing at the exact same time.

I wonder what the lowest cost, most energy efficient method of such a transmission would be.

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FAST channels seem to be a minority interest, and the content is pretty lightweight on the whole.

However, if enough people watch them to enable the channels to make a profit, good luck to them.

As for live streaming, that’s a no-brainer. Every effort needs to be made to maximise audience numbers.

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Hang on haven’t you been saying channels are a thing of the past :confused:

You told us not so long back that live streaming would only be used for live Sport and live News. With every post you make I get more and more confused.

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All will become clear in 2035. Apparently. :D

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I couldn’t have put it better myself!

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I certainly said we would be live streaming news and sport, but obviously that’s not all! Any live content could be streamed!

Hell, the BBC I-Player live-streams all content from all their channels. I’m not sure why you find that confusing.

What I said about the channels was that there would be no need for them. Content would be categorised by content type instead.

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Here we go with the goal post shift. Linear channels delivered over the internet…

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The linear channels being broadcast were the ones I was referring to, as you well know, as I've said this repeatedly. In other words, the existing terrestrials and pay tv channels, the content for which would be carried by streamers. So, for example, ITV, ITV 2, ITV 3, etc would be brought together as ITVX and eventually indexed by category. They will sit alongside each other for some years before the broadcast channels disappear at some stage in the future.

FAST channels such as those you find on Pluto might proliferate for a while, although whether they will stay the course in the VOD world is hard to judge. I've yet to meet anyone who has heard of Pluto TV so FAST channels will probably remain a minority interest. They will never be great money-spinners, in my view.

I get it that some on here disagree, but that's how I see it. If you believe the growth of the streamers at the expense of the broadcast TV channels will slow down and stop, that's fine by me! Only time will tell who is right, but let's stop arguing about it.

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What’s a FAST channel and what distinguishes it from a broadcast linear channel?

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Free ad-supported streaming tv services. You know, a new generation of the sort of linear channel that OB has been telling us will disappear completely. ;)

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Ok let me start a row what is really the difference between watching a streamed show and watching a recorded show ?

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Yes, whole channels devoted to cats or a particular subject like that, with a few airing minority sports, and also films. They are rather different from the broadcast channels we have now. Most Forum readers should be able to access Pluto TV to see for themselves.

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Not a significant number given their size but indicative of the company's direction nonetheless.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...ilm-tv-revenue

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Cats? Are you sure you're not thinking of YouTube? https://www.bsgroup.eu/blog/what-are-fast-channels/

Looking at the companies involved, it seems to include many of the big streamers. As I understand it, many of the platforms are, at the moment, looking at what works and what doesn't. Content that doesn't work can be culled very quickly. In the meantime, sure, thrilling, modern, content such as the Beverly Hillbillies will be thrown in.


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Maybe they should switch to scheduled content...

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I don’t see why I should go out my way instead of you provide a distinction between the two as it’s pretty much critical to what you’ve been harping on about for seven years.

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It’s the direction of travel as they say. Clear and obvious to all.

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The biggest pain in the backside is the inability to record to watch. Star Trek Discovery was on such a channel at fixed times with advertising... No option to download or stream on demand. 1970 was asking for it's broadcast system back!

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No he is right tbf there used to be a channel called cat tv it was quite popular but shut down due to lack of funding, there is also dog tv too - https://www.dogtv.com/hello/

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Ideally it should be possible to a hybrid channel i.e. a scheduled channel using On Demand content, rather than having a live channel that adds On Demand content afterwards

Although I guess that's what BBC and ITV and others are doing when you can 'watch ahead' with boxsets.

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In the case of Star Trek Discovery they didn't allow any on demand. Very frustrating. Hence other routes to view were used!

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Dog TV seems to have very limited availability, probably more of a specialised service than a FAST channel, which would explain why it costs $6.99 a month. An altogether different type of channel.


From what I've heard, ITV will be launching additional FAST channels within ITVX. https://www.itv.com/presscentre/pres...ing-later-year

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So is that content that you'll be already getting via On Demand in ITV X or is it only content that will be on the FAST channel?

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Possibly, I guess we'll have to wait and see. I don't know any more than it says in the press release.

It does seem to indicate that broadcasters are starting to get the message that searching for content isn't for everyone. Maybe curated linear channels will be the big thing in 2035. :D

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100% OD is only for OB. ;)

Aren't all linear channels curated (programmed)?

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Well, that’s certainly been your interpretation of what I’ve been ‘harping on about for seven years’, but that’s because you have this hang up with the word ‘linear’ and you’ve taken the argument too far. I keep trying to explain to you what I am referring to, but you have not been listening.

I have tried to use different language to help you to figure it out like ‘conventional broadcast channels’, etc, but I seem to be spitting in the wind.

For the very last time, I am referring to existing terrestrials and other free and pay tv channels available through the EPG, and I am saying that when they go IPTV, as they will, they will lose their channel distinctions and we will be offered content from that organisation (like, BBC, ITV, Sky, etc) by content rather than by channel.

It’s all I am saying. By my reckoning, it will happen by 2035.

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Ok never found that a problem, however thinking about it have found some shows that l wanted to watch which were only on Netflix , except for one would never have bothered if l hadn't had it. As I would have never known about them :rolleyes:

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It’s not an interpretation, OB, it’s observable reality. You are persistently and intentionally evasive when it comes down to using very specific definitions of very specific terms.

I’m at a loss as to where Pluto TV fits into this and how it’s distinguishable - if it even is at all - from linear (using the generally accepted definition) broadcasts over IP and why it will be viable for Pluto but not some of the biggest businesses in the market.

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https://www.rapidtvnews.com/20180813...ss-europe.html

You need to keep up, Andrew!

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Scheduled rather than curated for the main broadcasters. I was thinking of broadcasters following ITV's (and Channel 5's) lead and introducing additional, themed, linear channels. It does seem to be the way things are going.

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I'm not so sure that linking to an article from 2018 is the best way of telling someone to keep up. Maybe try linking to some stats from 2022.

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Notably absent: any stats at all on people who exclusively watch on demand programming.

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Done deliberately. The number of VOD viewers is increasing all the time, as more recent articles have been confirming. This was not even disputed 4 years ago, that’s why I advised him to keep up.

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Er - it’s 2022, jfman. Nearly there, be patient. You do have this habit of confusing the present with the future…

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I think he is keeping up, he posted the link about Netflix job cuts after a subscriber exodus. That is the reality of 2022. Netflix is facing exactly the problems you have stated to be the downfall of traditional channels. Other broadcasters are pulling content from Netflix to support their own streaming services. Now Netflix has to rely even more on making its own content. The heady days of 2018 are gone and the original streamers face competition. Consumers are faced with having to pay subs to not one but many streamers to access the same content and at a time when the cost of living is increasing globally. Maybe now we could start to see the number of VOD viewers starting to fall faced with this new reality. Could VOD viewing have actually peaked? Obviously, you will say not, but it's probably better to watch what actually happens rather than listen to what you wish to happen.

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On the contrary, OB. If you are citing a source as evidence of something, it has to be evidence now. That aggregates all viewing. Andrew - very specifically - says

From your source it doesn’t differentiate - on demand viewing could be evenly distributed across the whole user base, or a small proportion could be 100% offset by those who watch 0%. It’s no evidence at all to contradict Andrew.

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The evidence is out there if you look for it, and even older people are embracing VOD now.

https://www.rapidtvnews.com/20220403...#axzz7TiFKXgxA

If the future wasn't VOD, then why are the TV channels encouraging people to view that way? As you will have seen, the new ITVX platform will be screening original dramas well before they put them on their scheduled terrestrial channels. Viewing a whole series from release on demand is now commonplace - even the BBC and Sky do it.

All the broadcasters are pushing their audiences in the direction of VOD, and they are doing that for a reason.

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OB quote the line that refers to the proportion of viewers who exclusively watch on demand content.

I'm not sure why you are asking me to contest that on demand viewership is rising? I've never contested that point only your absolute assertion that it will inevitably reach 100% and specifically by 2035.

There's many reasons for a broadcaster to push streaming. Principally to sell consumer data probably, analytics about who is watching and when. However that doesn't necessarily mean they will do so at the absolute expense of linear - as you point out the same content will make it to the terrestrial service. They're technologically agnostic, OB. You are foolish to pretend otherwise.

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You 2 should get a room. :p:

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OK, fine. But I never claimed that a huge proportion viewed VOD only at the present time. Even I don’t do that because a (relatively low) proportion of my viewing is now accessed via recordings.

However it will happen in the future because the broadcast channels will close down, so you won’t be able to access content any other way. It’s not solely about individual viewer choice - it’s all about the way the majority are going, and the content providers will follow that lead.

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It’s entirely about individual viewer choice.

You are predicting a future that requires either a chicken or an egg, with neither the viewer arbitrarily shunning one method over the other or rational capitalists willing to cannibalise their revenue streams for similarly arbitrary reasons willing to be either.

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We will never agree on this, jfman. Can’t wait for 2035!

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Viaplay is coming to the UK later this year.

https://advanced-television.com/2022...viaplay-group/

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We won’t agree - that doesn’t exempt you from challenge when presenting opinion as fact. Or mean I won’t chime in from time to time to point out that your view isn’t grounded in the reality of expectations for broadcasters, broadcast infrastructure owners or internet service providers around the globe.

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But come 2035 you'll say "oh it's going to be 2055" and shift the goal posts again.

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You're being unfair, Legendkiller2k. I feel the need to stick up for Old Boy here. He has never moved the goal by 20 years at a time before, just a minor and understandable tweak of ten years from 2025 to 2035. :D

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Actually we don’t even need to wait 5 years. The current BBC charter expires at the end of 2027. We will know what the new one will look like months in advance, and we will know from parliamentary debate what the general shape of it will be perhaps a year before that.

If the new BBC charter defines public service broadcasting as encompassing the use of linear schedules, then we know the BBC will be broadcasting until 2037 at least. And if it does, then the other PSBs will too. As will smaller commercial operators who will benefit from the stable ecosystem that is one of the benefits of a publicly funded BBC.

I don’t for a moment expect you will ever admit you were wrong, under any circumstances. You’ll simply shift the goalposts, or find some other reason for us to keep on waiting for your vision of utopia to materialise. But for most of us, we can be pretty confident that in no more than about 4 years from now, we will know for sure that we were right to criticise your predictions.

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I’m not shifting any goalposts and I’m not presenting this as fact. I’ve said on many occasions that this is simply what I think will happen.

It’s you guys that keep twisting things to make things sound different from what I have actually said.

Either I’m right or wrong about 2035 - nobody can be certain about the future. But I bet when all’s said and done I won’t be very far off, given that I have held this view since 2015.

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Muddying the waters yet again, Andrew.

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By won’t be far off relative to 2015 does that mean you are claiming up to 2055?

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Christ, you never give up, do you? Over and out.

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I was sticking up for you, OB. :angel:

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Had to laugh at this article.

Culture Secretary says she’s sharing her Netflix account with four others

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Wonder if she claims it as an expense.

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Interestingly they applied for a 'Sky Sci-Fi' trademark on 4th of May and it's in the 'pre publication' stage as of 19th of May
https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tm.../UK00003784271

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Maybe Sky are set to relaunch SYFY?

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Does anyone know if multiroom is available with Virgin Media Stream?

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It’s currently one Stream per account.

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A bit on the BT/Eurosport merger to clear a few things up taken from cordbusters.

Are BT Sport / Eurosport Going Away?

The short answer is: not yet.

Once the joint venture deal is completed, there will be two separate stages:

1. At first, BT Sport and Eurosport will continue to retain their separate brands and product propositions.

So while customers may get combined deals and offers at that point, BT Sport and Eurosport UK will continue to exist as two separate TV and streaming platforms (but with new owners behind the scenes).

2. In the future, the plan is to bring the two platforms together under a single brand (with either a completely new name, or one that uses/combines the old names in some way).

If and when that happens, BT Sport and Eurosport UK will no longer exist as separate brands, and customers will get the combined sports broadcasts as part of a single service.
What Can I Watch On BT Sport And Eurosport?

Once the two platforms come together, they will hold the rights to some of the biggest sporting events, including (as of this writing):

UEFA Champions League
UEFA Europa League
Premier League
Premiership Rugby
UFC
The Olympic Games
Tennis Grand Slams featuring the Australian Open and Roland-Garros
Cycling Grand Tours including the Tour de France and Giro d’Italia
Winter sports World Cup season
https://www.cordbusters.co.uk/bt-spo...ions-answered/

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You forgot to include two other of the biggest sports - MotoGP (on BT Sport until at least 2024) and World Superbike (on Eurosport until 2025)

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Is Disney+ worth it for £6 of Tesco vouchers for 3 months access?

Does password sharing work?

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And WWE (on BT Sport until at least 2025).

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I didn't the article did *excuses excuses lol*

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Yes
And
Yes

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The article did say "including" so wasn't trying to list every sport - there's obviously lots of US sports not on that list, for example.

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If you have ordered VM broadband and phone how do you then add VM Stream ?

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Here maybe? https://www.virginmedia.com/tv/stream

Or here https://care.virginmedia.com/care/ch...urrent-package

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Thanks.

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Amazon have confirmed Paramount+ will be available via the Amazon Prime Video channels.
https://www.cordbusters.co.uk/paramo...video-channel/

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That’ll be another app not on Virgin, presumably.

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The Real Reason Netflix Is Losing Subscribers

https://screenrant.com/why-is-netfli...g-subscribers/

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They should offer a basic tier for the cheapskates. An AVOD option is one they should consider seriously, despite the misgivings of the CEO.

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A interesting article MM and one that is not far wrong.

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We call that Netflix in our multi-platform pay-tv household.

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They do in Turkey hahaha

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I see you missed many of the other valid points.

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A relative gave me access their Netflix account a couple of years ago. Watched a few things in the first month, and nothing since. Says it all really.

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I been watching 2-3 assets a day during the holiday - there is plenty to watch even if the billed titles don't look that good.

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There is actually less to watch the number of assets has decreased , whether you find things to watch is purely personal taste.

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It is not worth the £15 subscription but we get it free. Some of the unrecoginsable titles turned out to be good.

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I didn't miss them, muppetman, I agreed with much of the article and therefore did not comment on it.

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Netflix have bid for F1 streaming rights.

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In the US

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And here is me hoping they win it for UK! As I'm not paying Sky to watch it legally.

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Easy enough to access US Netflix.
This is more a case of them testing the waters one feels it would cost a shed load more for UK rights when bidding starts.

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Disney have bid $70m dollars for the US rights (1 season), Sky are paying £200m a season.

Not sure I could see a streamer outbidding Sky.

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I think it"s £160m per season, they faced competition from BT Sport the last time.

Viaplay are only streamer i could see being interested in the UK.

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It should be noted that the original report also stated NBC, Disney and Amazon are circling the deal as well…

And honestly I would be surprised if the rights go anywhere than ESPN or (unless they table a huge bid) NBCU especially when the sport is still in a huge growth phase over in the US and locking it away on Netflix without a cable/broadcast presence could potentially impact that especially as they add races in the US which need prime time exposure and I think F1 will be considering that… I would never say never but I also think F1 will be very careful to allow their encouraging US growth to be treated as someone’s test case especially if they’ve not done sport before unlike Apple who are testing with MLB and Amazon who have slowly built up their capabilities before going for Thursday Night Football for a billion plus dollars a year.

This thread really gets into the pros and cons of it quite well I think -

https://twitter.com/sportspronick/st...KvT2crR8l4rAng

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You're right, it's my Maths.

1B for 2019-2024

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https://www.reuters.com/business/med...ly-2022-06-09/

DAZN with an eye watering 33% price rise in Italy introducing a new 'premium' subscription - up to a whopping €39.99 (£34) a month and charging extra for using mobile devices out and about. For some extra context the Series A rights come in at a more modest £2bn for three seasons compared to the EPL and their £4.6bn.

The subscribers better have deep pockets for the streaming revolution.

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Or bite the bullet and don't subscribe . If people don't buy in it will soon "die" :erm:

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Anthony Joshua signs £100M-per-year 'long-term' broadcasting deal with DAZN.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/bo...deal-DAZN.html

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Interestong read here about possible future of TV (USA) https://thestreamable.com/news/could...FEl40nXIb3ZXRg

it's a bit of a read so i've put in two paragraphs that stood out for me.

“What you see right now that is holding broadcast up is sports and news,” Ashley Hovey, director of ad-supported video-on-demand at The Roku Channel said on the panel according to a Fierce Video report. “I think a lot of the other type of viewings, like scripted, have definitely gone down. There’s the question of, do sports need to go over to actually make [broadcast channels] go away?”

Despite the increase in advertising attention on free streamers, many of the larger traditional broadcasters in the space are hesitant to move their most valuable assets over to their FAST platforms. However, Fox announced earlier this spring that it will make all of this year’s World Cup matches available on-demand on Fox-owned Tubi following their live broadcast on the company’s broadcast and cable networks.

Despite the move, Fox has long said that it has “no plans” to make its most prominent sports property, the NFL, available on its free streamer. Chief Executive Officer Lachlan Murdoch said on a 2021 earnings call that the company was “very mindful of the exclusive value of live NFL on broadcast television, and we’re very mindful of the value that attributes to our O&Os (owned-and-operated stations) and our affiliates.”

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Does anyone know whether the Paramount + service coming in the UK will have the same content excluding sports as the US version.

I ask as it seems quite a lot of their shows air on Sky.

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Very doubtful as some other channels have the UK rights for some popular stuff.

I think it will be very cut-down - like Peacock is.

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In the most part yes - in the US, it also carries CBS channel and some of it's programming as well as licensed movie titles from the Epix cable channel whereas in the UK (and international markets) in the absence of sports, Epix titles and live CBS, we get Showtime's originals and catalogue bundled in.

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With the launch of Paramount Plus at £6.99 or cheaper if paying annual and many other streamers pitching their services at under the £7 mark Netflix could slow even more in my opinion.

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Sky and Paramount+ will share content as the latter will be integrated into Sky Cinema.

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Unlike Peacock, Paramount+ will have a stand-alone app with shared content between Sky and Paramount.

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I know - but that doesn't mean the content will be the same or even similar.

There are currently movies free to subscribers on P+ in US which have only just been added to Sky Store for purchase.

I can't see them providing most of the live streaming channels either.

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Some of the current CBS shows Paramount don't own the international rights to and i suspect the 3 FBI shows Paramount have a obligation to take them to market internationally with them being a NBC Universal/Wolf Entertainment format.

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I can't see Sky letting P+ UK show FBI trilogy before the Sky channels have aired them.

Blue Bloods starts Series 12 on Sky Witness next week - but the whole series is complete on P+ US. Again - can't see Sky letting let go either.

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FBI trio aren't on pre release version anyway , neither is Seal Team , previous seasons of Blue Bloods and Bull are.