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:D:D

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Of course is. Nothing to see here, move on! :D

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No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting...

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Started to watch more and more CNN . At least get some world news .Only look at news at breakfast time. BBC is so trite at that time of the day.

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Does anyone watch BBC 3?

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I did when it was linear. I still like their stuff even though I’m a bit older than the target audience now. But it’s only broadcast late at night on BBC1 so I tend to miss it.

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They say they are bringing it back to linear because they can get a bigger audience.

The proof is in the pudding.

We wait and see.

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Yes I watch BBC 3 when shown on BBC 1 . . . and I am 72. This Country and Normal People

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Well, 16m people watched Normal People!
https://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2...ayer-requests/

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Where is our great sage when we need him.:D

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Some further information on programs on the forthcoming Sky Nature and Sky Documentaries

https://www.skygroup.sky/en-gb/artic...and-sky-nature

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He's hibernating it seems, maybe he's a vampire and hides from the sun

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He hangs out where he gets less abuse. ;) As do others.

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Jfman believes that a linear TV station can be run for tuppence, so it really shouldn’t even a problem, Den. 😂

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Not yet it’s not. Don’t know where you got that from.

Ask that question again in the next decade.

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He never said that...

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Those reports that prophesy that within the next five years certainly are.

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Can you not just record it, Chris, or alternatively view it on the non-linear BBC I-Player?

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Actually, I’ve been getting a suntan this afternoon. The facts aren’t looking good for OLD BOY detractors, I’m afraid. :p::p:

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I’d prefer you addressed actual points I made rather than throw up ludicrous straw men out of desperation.

The BBC 3 situation is a case in point for my argument. The BBC are making all of the content anyway, however not getting the reach or the viewers by streaming alone. Why cut their nose off to spite their face to make you happy?

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He pretty much did! I'll quote the post number if you like!

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You are being ridiculous, and you know it. My view that the linear channels will disappear by 2035 has nothing to do with their relative success in 2020. The golden era has past, and in the future they will be clinging on for fear of their impending demise.

Are you backtracking on your previous claims, jfman? They are here for all to see on this very thread.

Oh, look!

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Please do

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I just did, but from a different thread. It's on here too but I can't be arsed to trawl through 88 pages!

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If you make a claim like that then prove it OB.

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Thanks Old Boy for digging up my old post, which I think you will find entirely consistent with my most recent one here.

My bold.

You keep wilfully leaving out this caveat.

You will find that my position is entirely consistent with the BBCs here.

You can pick any channel run on a shoestring budget on the Sky EPG to confirm that the actual cost of broadcasting is tiny compared to the actual cost of content.

You are the only person that sees this as a zero sum game. These companies (and more importantly their shareholders) do not.

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My post 1318 includes your caveat. So what's your point? As far as I am aware, BBC3 Online and BBC4 content belongs to the BBC.

So, according to your own assessment, the Beeb should be able to reinstate BBC3 without very much cost at all.

The fact that the Beeb is having to balance whether to replace BBC4 with BBC 3 seems to prove you wrong. If it was so inexpensive to run a channel (ahem, with their own content) why the agonising?

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Really? So why the agonising over how to fund it, then?

Nothing like reality to demolish a poorly thought out argument.

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The only one? Another untruth.

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My point is that you wilfully misrepresent it. As in post 1314, noted by Hugh in post 1315.

BBC 4 has an annual budget of £44m. They want to invest in content for BBC 3 - doubling investment to £80m.

So the choice that the BBC are toiling over is, unsurprisingly, much more complex than the simplistic way you portrayed it in your post. Some credible links too:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...nder-proposals

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...losure-rumours

I couldn't have put that better myself. :)

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I quite understand - why should you have to resort to evidence-based discussion...

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tuppence, £80m - not much difference...

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I've never denied that content costs money. :)

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Dude i work in the tv channel industry and i can tell you now there are plans set for at least 30 years for linear tv so it aint going anywhere, the number of channels will drop for sure and online tv will grow without a doubt but remember live tv via internet is still linear tv.

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I know - you also never said a linear station can be run for tuppence.

What you should have said was that a linear station could be run for tuppence (inflation adjusted) in the 2030s... ;)

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I agree that jfman didn't actually say it would cost tuppence to run a linear channel. He actually said it would cost 'buttons', which is much the same thing. I acknowledge his caveat, but I have never questioned that.

According to your links, the BBC want to increase funding for BBC3, which is fine. However, given the dearth of new programming on BBC4, it is amazing that the channel costs as much as it does to run.

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Not much new content on BBC1 or BBC2 either so why should 3/4 be any different?

Not a great deal on streamed TV either - the virus affects every type of TV.

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Agreed i'm glad i have a huge backlog of shows and movies to watch.

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You didn’t acknowledge the caveat in your reply to Den. That’s the point.

Even in this post you are conflating the cost of running a linear channel (including content) and creating a linear broadcast (from content you own and are likely streaming.

Not once have you ever demonstrated how and when linear ceases to be viable. Switch on a TV and press 1 is always going to hold some value because of it’s prominence and it works if your internet provider goes down. https://metro.co.uk/2020/04/28/thous...ours-12619391/

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Didn't he say 2035?

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That’s the figure plucked from the air, yes. The “how” part is somewhat lacking.

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Yes - in this thread, post #303 from 2018.

But 5 years ago, in another thread.

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Does anybody know what happened to the Eleven Sports streaming service.;):naughty:

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As Hugh has reminded us, the original prediction was by 2025.

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You may have misread that - OB said 2015 + 20 = 2035

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Well, he did say Chris 'may' be right, introducing doubt on 2025. ;)

Interesting excerpt from the dug up post though:

Obviously, there's a reason they can identify for BBC Three content. The analogue cable reference is interesting - obviously the cable companies saw the opportunity for more channels plus broadband using digital instead. Something that now sees them able to punt £60 a month broadband down the same lines.

What/where is the alternative usage for linear broadcast space coming from over the air and on cable?

No idea, mate. :)

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Over the air could possibly be mobile comms.

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The radio frequencies could be reallocated for two-way communications but the broadcast infrastructure couldn’t be.

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Still doing very well in other places in the world just erm not UK lol.
I think DAZN will be a different story though as they aren't going after football so i think they'll be ok.

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To be honest, whether it's by broadband, cable, aerial or satellite, most sport is viewed live and live = linear.

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Exactly.

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I agree most people watch sport live on linear channels.

I am certain those who watch at a later date or time-shifted want to watch the whole match not a few minutes highlights as supplied on catch-up - this requires recording and means linear.

I sometimes watch a live game on the extra channels - it is a bit like going to the game, no pause for a comfort break/getting a new beer, no replays.

Basically, the overall experience is not as good as what people are used to.

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It wasn't successful here, but it operates in other countries.

My focus for the UK is on the larger streaming companies such as Amazon and DAZN.

The failure of Eleven Sports to carry through their sports streaming service is no more relevant in assessing the likelihood of a similar service not being successful in the future than the demise of the Setanta live sports channel was in this country.

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Why is Eleven Sports' failure not relevant? Because it doesn't fit your prediction of a long march to a glorious streaming future?

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You can also watch live on the BBC i-Player. There is nothing magical that restricts live viewing to a conventional TV channel.

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I didn't say it was 'not relevant', Chris, I said it was 'no more relevant' than the fate of Setanta.

Just because one company fails does not mean another company cannot make it work.

Sky very nearly went under in the early days.

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You seem to suggest that the message has changed? :confused:

It hasn't. My view is, and has been for the last five years, that our conventional channels will be no more by 2035.

I accept that some don't buy that. However, I have not yet read anything that makes me inclined to change my mind.

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DAZN is no different from Eleven, or Setanta. Hedge funds and venture capital looking for a high stakes, high risk, huge return. They’ll be first to exit the market when it doesn’t go their way - they have no background or interest in media or streaming.

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As long as your neighbours don’t cheer when there’s a goal on actual live television.

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But wouldn’t that be linear?

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Streaming is the same as linear. It's just accessed differently.

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We are through the looking glass, people.

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DAZN have plenty of background in streaming and media and are doing very well across Canada and USA, also Germany so i'm not sure what you mean by no experience in streaming?
However that doesn't mean they will be succesful in the UK market though.

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While it is true that latency is a problem with streaming, that is a problem today but will not be in the future.

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They do, as did Setanta before their foray into UK sports rights. My point is that those financing it don’t. There’s no affinity to the industry - and they’ll walk if the financials don’t work where a media company might persevere.

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Dazn in need of financial rescue apparently

https://bigfightweekend.com/news/rep...e-to-covid-19/

The company appears to be valued at less than it's broadcast rights liabilities. The lack of live sport has impacted them significantly.

In the current financial climate, and a decade of global recession predicted, who is going to stump up the cash they are looking for?

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The thread title may need amending, then, to "Streaming is old tech - etc." ;)

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Looks like a troublesome week for DAZN. Just seen this too:

https://www.digitaltveurope.com/2020...a-rights-deal/

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Ah i see what you mean now and i agree with you entirely.

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Heard Comcast are sniffing around them.

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I can't see why Comcast would buy DAZN being it already owns Sky Sports and NBC Sports both of which already have streaming products and are widely distributed.

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Depends how low the price goes. There’s a sweet spot where buying DAZN could be better value than letting them fail and go back to auction (if a substantial amount of rights are of interest, and the view is the price will go up).

If though they think the sports bubble is contracting - as with Sky correctly predicting the fall in the value of Premiership despite all the Netflix and Amazon guff in the media beforehand - then going back to auction makes most sense.

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As you know, back in the day, the media was often using the words 'linear TV' to describe the conventional TV channels and the title of this thread reflects that.

As a matter of interest, I did start a new thread with a more appropriate title, but Chris closed it some time back.

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So linear, scheduled television will exist only the delivery method will be over the Internet?

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Obviously, the live events will be scheduled as this is the nature of a live show, and these events will be streamed over the internet. All pre-recorded material such as drama, lifestyle, documentaries, etc will be viewed from the on-line on demand library, Netflix-style.

As you say repeatedly, it's still TV, but the difference is the delivery method and the ease of being able to choose what you want to watch, when you want to watch it, free of advertisements if you so desire.

Yes, I understand also that some are just happy to stick with the old channel system, but I believe that habits are gradually changing and in time the vast majority will embrace it.

There will always be stick-in-the-muds who won't budge until they have to, but I really don't believe that companies will bother with a minority who are resistent to change.

If you had your way, I'm sure we would still have telegraph messenging, even though this was used more rarely before the systems were scrapped. It's the same logic as you are using here. Change will come, and your general response that it is popular now is not relevant to how it will be seen in the next decade.

Sadly, I cannot evidence what has not yet happened, so I guess we will just have to wait and see. Twenty years ago we did not even have on demand services - look at it now!

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Ah today’s straw man. None of this is my preference, it’s my prediction based on observable reality and economics.

As you say, twenty years ago we didn’t have “on demand”. And in twenty years, despite the depth and breadth of content on it, people still watch live linear television. As with Sky+ and other PVR products. You still haven’t sold me on what streaming offers has that on demand and a PVR doesn’t in terms of convenience to the average end user who has thus far resisted or relied on a mix of live, timeshifted and on demand.

I’ve said a million times I have three streaming services (now four actually I’ve got 6 months free Apple TV+).

This isn’t about what I wan’t - if it was up to me we’d have nationalised the cable network and extended build in the 90s to deliver TV and broadband services that way with minimal satellite and terrestrial offerings. That way we’d have then had a genuinely future proof national network then rather than be finding £5bn in state intervention to plug the gaps the commercial networks won’t reach by 2025. However I digress...

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A) I don’t know that - I used to, and still do, call "conventional TV channels" "channels"
B) "back in the day" = June 2017 :D

To me (ymmv) ‘back in the day" was "the Troubles" or "Cold War Berlin"...

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When Amazon or a similar player takes over Premiership football, you may think rather differently. Streaming at the moment is certainly a lot less popular than on demand viewing is when compared with live events on conventional TV channels, but I believe that this will be the only choice in the future, because that's how these global players want to do it.

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Most people were calling them linear channels, as did I, until the pedants attempted to rubbish the whole argument being presented by saying that streaming is also a linear channel (which it is, of course, but with the word 'channel' being in used in a slightly different context).

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"most people" - you appear to be using the "Unfalsifiability" logical fallacy...

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Now you're being silly...

:walk:

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You're the one who said "most people" - back it up.

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Premiership football doesn’t account for a significant proportion of all live, linear viewing. If a streamer buys the rights, and we’ve discussed the extremely challenging financials around that over and over, that doesn’t significantly reduce linear viewing at all.

But how do they move the customers?

You are once again being ideological about this in a way media companies will simply not be. The BBC, ITV, Sky and Virgin Media aren’t going to just wake up one morning and voluntarily relinquish control of their prominent EPG positions and control of platforms because in your view “streaming is the future”. Suddenly they themselves at the whim of smart TV/streaming box manufacturers in terms of prominence? Not a chance.

If BBC/ITV did so you could 100% bet someone else would swoop in for the slots. Because consumer behaviour hasn’t significantly changed - there’s a reason why slots at the top of the EPG are worth more than those at the bottom. Even if the amount of streaming doubled or tripled this would still hold true.

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Maybe you should look up the press articles at the time, which were always referring to the conventional channels as 'linear channels'. I'm not sure why you are labouring this point, but you can do your own research.

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Old Boy I hope you are being ironic accusing someone else of labouring a point. It’s been five years and we’re still waiting...

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That’s a big "no", then.

Thank you for clarifying that.

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Sorry, jfman, but five years added to 2015 does not equal 2035. Another 15 years to go...

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Oh, joy...

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I think by 2062 they will develop technology where they just beam television straight into a chip that beams television directly into your brain so you can watch it with your eyes closed. I’ve no scientific evidence for this, and have no idea about potential customer demand for this, but I’m going to say it’s bigger and better than relying on devices that become obsolete.

For those of us around at the next passing of Halley’s Comet we can wait and see. Between now and then I insist I remain unchallenged on this point - because it’s an obviously better technology in my opinion I insist that everyone will want it when it comes.

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If you could provide links from technology and marketing companies involved in this technology to support your position, that would be really helpful... :D

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It's sounds brilliant. But I'll probably be dead. Unless they can cryogenically suspend me so I can get through that bloody Blake's 7 boxset...

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By 2035 anything can happen, just imagine what we can do by 2062.

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You may not be aware, jfman, that on demand technology already exists. :D

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Linear TV on the rise as Pluto* reaches a hefty 101 channels. The service was launched only 18 months ago with just 13 channels.
https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2020...0-uk-channels/

* Coming soon? https://community.virginmedia.com/t5...s/td-p/4240602

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According to post #9 in the thread it already exists.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1591832327

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According to Post #10 in the thread, it has yet to arrive.

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Fair enough, not that it affects me.

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I think it's interesting is that the future of linear TV includes apps like Pluto and is actually leading to an uplift in channels.

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For example, NBCU’s Peacock service will have live streaming channels based around things like SNL and The Office so there is still some value given these linear channels provide some much needed curation when on demand can prove to be overwhelming - there is value in a ‘lean back’ experience and allow shows to just be fed to you and allow you to jump into an on demand experience directly from the episode or clip (which we already are seeing with things like BBC Restart on IPlayer)

Also I think linear channels will likely evolve into some form of personalisation/bespoke channel allowing your preferences to be fed to you in a linear fashion - I’m sure there is some innovation in linear tv yet to come.

Another example from Sky Italia who are going to trial a personalised tv experience - channels are mentioned so that could conceivably also mean some kind of linear experience;

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2020...rsonalised-tv/

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I agree and have long said the same, which I call true smart tv or intelligent tv.

In some ways, we've already had little tasters of things to come, ie on some BBC One dramas, you could press the red button to watch the next episode taking you outside of the linear schedule and I think there will be a lot more of that to come.

Which is why I keep saying that I reckon that the bulk of the sat/cable pay tv channels will disappear in the end, as these are mainly showing repeats from the main channels. Once there is a true intelligent tv system, there simply isn't a need for all these linear channels. Don't be surprised to see a Netflix 1 and Netflix 2 in the near future as earlier examples of what's to come.

Nobody wants to wade through endless menus, but we also want "some" control of what we watch and how we spend our time, hence the on demand and linear worlds will come together.

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Use Favourites - I reduce 'endless menus' to around 25 channels, easy to find anything I am likely to watch.

Better than wading through endless streamed programmes to find something I would want to watch.

Also, I pay enough for tv without subscribing to streaming, which I would rarely use.

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This is the thing - linear is not dead and it’s going to evolve - hell some people could also argue that Netflix autostarting a new recommendation after finishing a show/movie is no different from a linear channel feeding a new show.

And this idea that on-demand is the future? It’s already happening - we don’t need to wait till 2035 ;)

The real question is how are all these disparate things going to evolve especially as we see the legacy companies move into D2C, pay tv evolve into almost ‘mini bundles’ like HBO Max, companies like Pluto build growth via linear AVOD channels and how tv and film creation is financed as companies like Disney and NBCU/Sky become increasingly balkanised. This notion that it has to be all or nothing is ridiculous. Linear may no longer be the central focus but it has its place in the ecosystem, will likely evolve into more algorithmic/personalisation areas and find a way to serve on demand and vice versa.

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Amazon is developing plans to add live and linear channels to Prime Video. The slate includes live news, music and sports in addition to scheduled movies and TV series.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2020...eid=3598503789

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That's interesting, a successful streaming company acknowledging the need for linear TV. A bit like Pluto, but with newer content.

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The BBC expects its news bulletins to be shifted to VOD within 10 years.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...-goes-digital/

The BBC’s News at Six and News at 10 bulletins will soon be obsolete as coverage moves online, the corporation’s head of news has said.

Within a decade, news will be in “the digital space” and the BBC’s output will be consumed via iPlayer, said Fran Unsworth.

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That’s quite a different issue to delivery of entertainment content. I stopped watching tv news bulletins years ago, because they tell me nothing I’ve not seen developing on the news websites throughout the day. Note they’re not suggesting the demise of all current affairs from broadcast schedules, just the two half hour bulletins that summarise what we already know and lack the time for any serious analysis. The weekly politics shows and analysis/documentary productions like panorama, newsnight and their ilk are going nowhere.

Also bear in mind that provision of these news bulletins is mandated by the BBC’s charter, which will come up for renewal in 2027, meaning we are fast approaching the point when horse trading over the shape of that next charter will begin in earnest. That charter, once in effect, can be expected to run until probably 2037. So what that charter says about things the BBC must broadcast in linear fashion, which technology they are permitted to use for broadcast, and what they’re allowed to switch to on-demand only, will be very important, and (I predict) will blow a rather large hole in the fantasy you’ve been pushing on these pages.

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I was merely posting the article. I made no controversial comment on it as I am anxious not to upset the delicate sensibilities of anyone else on this forum.



:D

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Strange - the BBC put it differently...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53846414

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As always Old Boy only portrays one side of the coin. The BBC responded to the DCMS consultation on the European Electronic Communications Code to stress the importance of “must carry” obligations that existing platforms have - presumably with a view to extend those to streaming services. And being the BBC they’d want their content prioritised - like in an EPG.

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I doubt they'll even be around within 10 years... Hopefully.

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You are going to be very disappointed then.;)

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I think they will - almost a national institution - however I think they will have a different funding model