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ianch99 20-04-2017 15:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35895625)
Oh dear Andrew; a lot of people on this thread aren't going to be happy that you asked me that ;) (or that I answered for that matter ;))

Only God knows that. Sadly, much of the church teaches a social gospel these days, rather than the true Biblical Gospel of Salvation, which is only through an individual’s own belief in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sins.

A fundamental Christian believes that the Bible is the divinely inspired and inerrant word of God and believes that all Biblical prophecy will be fulfilled. They would look at the EU from a Biblical perspective, given that they understand that there is real spiritual battle going on( Ephesians 6:12). That will eventually end up with a world government, run by the Antichrist and his sidekick, the false Prophet (Revelation 13:7) Christians are called on to be aware of the signs of the times. That the world is heading for globalisation is no secret, and no surprise to people aware of the Biblical end time prophetic narrative. Globalisation is the ideal preparation process for a coming world leader; eradication of national sovereignty, mass immigration which erodes each country’s cultural Identity. The EU is effectively enacting these things.

There are other indications that the people behind the EU are globalist in nature. The Tower of Babel was the seat of the first world government, and,more significantly, was a rebellion against God (Genesis 10 V8-12 & Genesis11 v1-9). The 1990s poster, used by the Council of Europe, who run theEuropean Court of Human Rights, shows the rebuilding of the Tower of Babel. Just as bad, the stars in the poster are inverted; an often used satanic symbol. The modelling of the European parliament building isbased on Bruegel the Elder's painting of the tower of Babel.

The EU's identification with Babel indicates that the powers behind the EU are identifying with the final attempt at world government (they may, or not be, aware of that). Associating in this way with Babel is an affront to God as it speaks of rebellion against Him. The Bible warns us to ‘come out of Babylon’ (Revelation18). To me that means anything associated with it.

I find it impossible to understand how a fundamentalist Christian can support Britain being connected with the EU.


Oh dear PB, as Christopher Hitchens would say It does not follow. There is no evidence that the EU is modelled on the Tower of Babel and that the flag has Satanic origins. To seriously suggest this takes the whole debate in a very strange direction.

BTW, didn't Andrew ask you to describe Farron's religious beliefs and not yours? ;)

1andrew1 20-04-2017 15:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35895625)
Oh dear Andrew; a lot of people on this thread aren't going to be happy that you asked me that ;) (or that I answered for that matter ;))
:) Sorry and thanks for taking the time out to explain your answer.

passingbat 20-04-2017 16:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35895642)

BTW, didn't Andrew ask you to describe Farron's religious beliefs and not yours? ;)

The discussion stared from this post by papa


http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...postcount=1280


Quote:
Comedian David Baddiel said that people who claimed Tim Farron is talking the most sense had to face up to the fact that “he’s a fundamentalist Christian homophobe”.



I explained a fundamentalist Christian perspective, in response to Andrew's question, to explain, how in my view, Tim Farron could not be a fundamentalist Christian.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35895642)
as Christopher Hitchens would say ;)

His first few words: "I don't believe in the supernatural. I don't believe in miracles I don't believe in prayer..."


From now on, he will be my go-to man on biblical teaching ;):D

1andrew1 20-04-2017 16:17
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As a follow up, Tim Farron is now stating that being gay is not a sin. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7692091.html

papa smurf 20-04-2017 16:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35895645)
The discussion stared from this post by papa


http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...postcount=1280


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I explained a fundamentalist Christian perspective, in response to Andrew's question, to explain, how in my view, Tim Farron could not be a fundamentalist Christian.

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His first few words: "I don't believe in the supernatural. I don't believe in miracles I don't believe in prayer..."


From now on, he will be my go-to man on biblical teaching ;):D
i don't believe you ;)

Maggy 21-04-2017 09:52
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I entirely fail to see what religious beliefs have to do with Brexit so I suggest everyone gets back to the topic..

papa smurf 21-04-2017 10:08
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'Everything you do is to THWART Brexit' Neil DESTROYS Miller’s attempts to stop EU divorce

ANDREW NEIL lambasted arch Remainer Gina Miller over her continued attempts to thwart Brexit in a heated exchange.



http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/794...U-Brexit-split

Osem 21-04-2017 10:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35895717)
'Everything you do is to THWART Brexit' Neil DESTROYS Miller’s attempts to stop EU divorce

ANDREW NEIL lambasted arch Remainer Gina Miller over her continued attempts to thwart Brexit in a heated exchange.



http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/794...U-Brexit-split
She really does talk out of her behind. I don't think she's quite managed to get past project fear.

papa smurf 21-04-2017 10:18
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'Don't put words in my mouth!' Nigel Farage LOSES IT at 'bitter loser' in AGGRESSIVE row

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/794...aggressive-row

Osem 21-04-2017 10:45
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Anyone wanting a cogent and concise summary of Labour's new policy should view this clip of one the parties MP's explaining it all:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39659304

She appears to be pretty relaxed about her facts but that's nothing new is it...

:rofl:

Hugh 21-04-2017 10:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35895719)
'Don't put words in my mouth!' Nigel Farage LOSES IT at 'bitter loser' in AGGRESSIVE row

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/794...aggressive-row
Nigel appears to be a "bitter winner"... ;)

Osem 21-04-2017 10:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35895724)
Nigel appears to be a "bitter winner"... ;)
He's only bitter about all the people who just can't accept the fact and have been trying to challenge it ever since.. ;)

Stephen 21-04-2017 13:13
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Please respect moderator decisions

1andrew1 21-04-2017 14:03
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Gina Miller launches Best for Britain.
Quote:
That’s why we’ve launched Best for Britain, a campaign aimed at supporting candidates who will stand by their principles, insist on real debate, and have an open mind on the UK-EU deal in the years ahead. Put simply, we believe in real parliamentary democracy...
We will be asking prospective candidates to hold the next government to account on any deal with the EU, and to be confident enough to reject any deal that places Britain in a worse place than we are today. In fact, that kind of leverage should help our next prime minister negotiate a better deal with Europe. If she or he goes to Brussels promising to agree a deal at all costs, Europe would have no incentive to compromise.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...te-gina-miller

Hugh 21-04-2017 14:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35895725)
He's only bitter about all the people who just can't accept the fact and have been trying to challenge it ever since.. ;)
Never mind, he's always got The Donald.... :D

papa smurf 21-04-2017 17:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35895738)
Gina Miller launches Best for Britain.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...te-gina-miller
best for Gina maybe, she's manipulating the gullible

RizzyKing 21-04-2017 18:37
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Hasn't taken Gina long to find a way into the election she is such a tireless martyr we're so lucky to have her in the country :rolleyes:, hopefully within a couple of years she'll emigrate to her beloved EU.

Pierre 21-04-2017 20:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35895724)
Nigel appears to be a "bitter winner"... ;)
To be fair, he is right. He never campaigned on the £350M figure.

TheDaddy 22-04-2017 03:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35895754)
To be fair, he is right. He never campaigned on the £350M figure.
No he campaigned on a higher figure...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7102831.html

deadite66 22-04-2017 06:38
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From the video he said that money should should be spend at home on things such as Hospitals, Schools and GP's.
not the same as saying all the money should be on the NHS.

TheDaddy 22-04-2017 06:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deadite66 (Post 35895766)
From the video he said that money should should be spend at home on things such as Hospitals, Schools and GP's.
not the same as saying all the money should be on the NHS.
:confused: I never said he did say that

deadite66 22-04-2017 07:06
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you implied he did :confused:

TheDaddy 22-04-2017 07:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by deadite66 (Post 35895768)
you implied he did :confused:
I didn't imply anything, I stated that he claimed the figure was higher than 350 million and campaigned on it.

In other news we're at the back of the queue after all, quite annoying as if the Canadian experience is anything to go by we could be there a while

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7696376.html

1andrew1 22-04-2017 11:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35895769)
In other news we're at the back of the queue after all, quite annoying as if the Canadian experience is anything to go by we could be there a while
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7696376.html
That's the headline on the front page of The Times so the paper must be extremely confident of its facts.

Here's some extracts:
Quote:
The development threatens to embarrass Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, who after meeting Mr Trump’s advisers in January claimed that Britain would be “first in line” for a deal. A year ago Barack Obama warned that the UK would be at “the back of the queue” if it left the EU...
“Ten times Trump asked her if he could negotiate a trade deal with Germany. Every time she replied, ‘You can’t do a trade deal with Germany, only the EU’,” a senior German politician said. “On the eleventh refusal, Trump finally got the message, ‘Oh, we’ll do a deal with Europe then.’ ” Cecilia Malmström, the EU’s trade commissioner, will visit Washington next week for informal talks with Wilbur Ross, the US commerce secretary, and other Trump officials.

pip08456 22-04-2017 11:19
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So the US is going to do a trade deal with the EU. So what I would expect it to!

Does this mean the UK is at the back of the queue?

Only if you believe that the US (which has existed as a union of states for over 200 years) is only equipped to deal with one Country/Union/Alliance at a time.

There is no evidence yet that the US will not be negotiating a trade deal with the UK at the same time it is negotiating with the EU nor any other Country.

papa smurf 22-04-2017 11:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35895782)
So the US is going to do a trade deal with the EU. So what I would expect it to!

Does this mean the UK is at the back of the queue?

Only if you believe that the US (which has existed as a union of states for over 200 years) is only equipped to deal with one Country/Union/Alliance at a time.

There is no evidence yet that the US will not be negotiating a trade deal with the UK at the same time it is negotiating with the EU nor any other Country.
i don't think a deal can be struck until brexit is concluded so a deal with the eu and america could be concluded first ,its not a Queue as such

but as a member state we could possibly veto any deal .

Damien 22-04-2017 12:14
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Trade deals aren't easy to do. You don't just 'sign a trade deal'. It's a series of tariffs, laws, regulations that all need to be agreed and enacted. I wouldn't take anything seriously until serious talks are underway and even if you get one you need to make sure it's good. No point having a trade agreement where their is easy access to our market for the Americans but lots of exemptions when we want to sell to them. They also have a population of 318 million or our 64 million so advantage them there.

RizzyKing 22-04-2017 13:15
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Just because the US is negotiating a trade deal with the EU doesn't mean we jump to the back of the queue in anyway whatsoever, under article 50 we are not allowed to organise trade deals but that doesn't mean that unofficial talks are not being conducted.

pip08456 22-04-2017 15:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35895789)
Trade deals aren't easy to do. You don't just 'sign a trade deal'. It's a series of tariffs, laws, regulations that all need to be agreed and enacted. I wouldn't take anything seriously until serious talks are underway and even if you get one you need to make sure it's good. No point having a trade agreement where their is easy access to our market for the Americans but lots of exemptions when we want to sell to them. They also have a population of 318 million or our 64 million so advantage them there.
I didn't say trade deals were easy to negotiate or conclude.

The thrust of my post was that the US can be negotiating with more than one country/union/alliance at the same time. To think anything else is disingenuous.

Osem 22-04-2017 16:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35895801)
I didn't say trade deals were easy to negotiate or conclude.

The thrust of my post was that the US can be negotiating with more than one country/union/alliance at the same time. To think anything else is disingenuous.
Yes it is. Nobody seriously believed that the US would be negotiating trade deals solely with the UK any more than the UK would exclude everything else while trying to get a deal done with the US. Still, in the absence of economic meltdown, emergency budgets, an exodus of major companies and widespread social disorder, the mongers of doom have to come up with something else to scare us with... ;)

1andrew1 22-04-2017 16:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35895806)
...the mongers of doom have to come up with something else to scare us with... ;)
Good try but this all stems from the front-page headline in the Murdoch-owned The Times newspaper.

papa smurf 22-04-2017 16:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35895807)
Good try but this all stems from the front-page headline in the Murdoch-owned The Times newspaper.
how come you go all defensive when any one mentions doom mongering ;)

Pierre 22-04-2017 16:57
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The US will find it a lot easier to do a deal with an independent UK than with the EU.

Damien 22-04-2017 17:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35895801)
I didn't say trade deals were easy to negotiate or conclude.

The thrust of my post was that the US can be negotiating with more than one country/union/alliance at the same time. To think anything else is disingenuous.
I wasn't aiming it at you. I was generally suggesting we take any stories about trade deals with a pinch of salt until they're clearly on the path to happening. Everyone needs to adjust their expectations both of the possibility of trade deals and how easy they'll be to implement.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35895811)
The US will find it a lot easier to do a deal with an independent UK than with the EU.
It's what will be in that deal that's important. You can sign a trade deal tomorrow (well, when we're out of the EU) if you're willing to bend over backwards for them.

TheDaddy 22-04-2017 19:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35895818)
It's what will be in that deal that's important. You can sign a trade deal tomorrow (well, when we're out of the EU) if you're willing to bend over backwards for them.
Indeed and one of the things certain to be on the table is the nhs, who voted for more American access to it and on how it's regulated?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35895811)
The US will find it a lot easier to do a deal with an independent UK than with the EU.
That is probably true

Doctor_YOU 22-04-2017 19:52
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The Conservatives will thankfully win this election with a 3 figure majority. The majority will ensure the UK has huge bargaining power in the exit negotiations. So going forward, "BRITISH" people will have access to more generous benefits, the NHS will have greater funding.

Unfortunately none British will have to have reduced benefits so the UK can look after its own sick and poor. Hard working British people built the British Benefits system and the British NHS. Unfortunately people who earn money in the UK but spend it elsewhere will leave the benefits system and the NHS bankrupt. But lets not blame them, lets blame the good honest hard working British men and woman who built these systems.

Hugh 22-04-2017 23:58
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Not sure you used the word 'British' enough there...

TheDaddy 23-04-2017 07:58
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Ugh there goes the other banker, that the Germans would still demand to sell cars here and make their politicians come to a deal

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/m...kers-ghb7lv7lt

Pierre 23-04-2017 08:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35895852)
Not sure you used the word 'British' enough there...
I've seen that posting style before.................

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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35895860)
Ugh there goes the other banker, that the Germans would still demand to sell cars here and make their politicians come to a deal

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/m...kers-ghb7lv7lt
There's nothing in there that suggests a deal cannot be achieved.

papa smurf 23-04-2017 09:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35895860)
Ugh there goes the other banker, that the Germans would still demand to sell cars here and make their politicians come to a deal

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/m...kers-ghb7lv7lt
wot no beamers that's a blow for drug dealers and the worst drivers on the road :erm:

1andrew1 23-04-2017 09:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35895860)
Ugh there goes the other banker, that the Germans would still demand to sell cars here and make their politicians come to a deal

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/m...kers-ghb7lv7lt
More BS The Daddy from that left-wing fish-and-chip holder The Sunday Times. You scare-mongering remainers need to finally accept that you lost and stop continuing Project Fear. And let's be realistic it: it's only remaining-voting Londoners who can afford to run German cars anyway so what's not to like?
And talking of trade. Who needs trade deals with small places like India, the USA or Europe? Now we're finally out of the undemocratic talons of the lefty pro-business multi-headed beast in Brussels we can look further afield. Countries like Atlantis, Narnia and Neverland tell me that we're at the top of their lists to sign trade deals with! :D

papa smurf 23-04-2017 09:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35895866)
More BS The Daddy from that left-wing fish-and-chip holder The Sunday Times. You scare-mongering remainers need to finally accept that you lost and stop continuing Project Fear. And let's be realistic it: it's only remaining-voting Londoners who can afford to run German cars anyway so what's not to like?
And talking of trade. Who needs trade deals with small places like India, the USA or Europe? Now we're finally out of the undemocratic talons of the lefty pro-business multi-headed beast in Brussels we can look further afield. Countries like Atlantis, Narnia and Neverland tell me that we're at the top of their lists to sign trade deals with! :D
well there's nothing like a well thought out intelligent post ..........

1andrew1 23-04-2017 10:12
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The issue seems to be that as Cambridge Analytica is a US company, it should not have allowed to donate money or services to the Leave.EU campaign.
Quote:
Leave.EU under investigation over EU referendum spending
The Electoral Commission has launched an investigation into “potential offences” by Leave.EU over its spending during last year’s EU referendum campaign.
The campaign group, which was headed by Nigel Farage and the businessman Arron Banks, is understood to have worked with the data firm Cambridge Analytica, which uses social media to influence voters.
Cambridge Analytica’s involvement was not declared to the election watchdog, which has concluded that Leave.EU has a case to answer. If the commission decides that political spending laws have been breached, it can report the campaign group to the police.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...endum-spending

Nigel Farage suggests that Vote.EU is only being investigated now because of the general election but if I remember correctly, he's not throwing his hat in the ring anyway.

papa smurf 23-04-2017 10:14
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpgGwGIqccc

pip08456 23-04-2017 10:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35895871)
The issue seems to be that as Cambridge Analytica is a US company, it should not have allowed to donate money or services to the Leave.EU campaign.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...endum-spending

Nigel Farage suggests that Vote.EU is only being investigated now because of the general election but if I remember correctly, he's not throwing his hat in the ring anyway.
No he doesn't. You must really learn to read an article before you comment and link to it.

Osem 23-04-2017 10:44
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... and in other shock news an EU negotiator claims that an election result which strengthens May's position will have no bearing on the Brexit negotiations.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39681186

Yeah right, just like May losing seats wouldn't boost the EU's bargaining position. It'd be laughable if it weren't so pathetic.

Does anyone seriously expect any of the 'other side' to divulge anything which might have a beneficial effect on our negotiating position t the expense of theirs? Nope, they're going to bang on interminably about how they won't do this and we can't have that in order to try to weaken the UK's resolve, undermine HMG's position and secure the best deal they can for themselves. Anyone who doesn't think that, behind the scenes, major EU industrialists and their workforces are extremely concerned (and making representations to their governments) about possible adverse effects for them of Brexit is in about as much denial as the Eurocrats have shown themselves to be over the last few decades. We already knew that though didn't we because they're the ones who told us all about the imminent armageddon which would befall us should we have the temerity to leave the EU and are looking pretty silly right now.

1andrew1 23-04-2017 12:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35895873)
No he doesn't. You must really learn to read an article before you comment and link to it.
Two points:
1. Nigel Farage's Tweet says "Could the timing of this be anything to do with the general election?" Which part of this Tweet are you disputing? For the avoidance of doubt, Vote.EU was a campaign.
2. We've all been advised to be polite in our postings for the good of this forum and reluctantly I'm struggling to see how your above post ticks this box.

pip08456 23-04-2017 13:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35895883)
Two points:
1. Nigel Farage's Tweet says "Could the timing of this be anything to do with the general election?" Which part of this Tweet are you disputing? For the avoidance of doubt, Vote.EU was a campaign.
2. We've all been advised to be polite in our postings for the good of this forum and reluctantly I'm struggling to see how your above post ticks this box.
1.Leave.EU under investigation.

2. Vote Leave, rather than Leave.EU, was the official Brexit campaign group. two different campaign groups.

3. Vote.EU is not mentioned anywhere in the article, I doubt it even exists.

4. I fail to see how my above post could be construed as impolite.

1andrew1 23-04-2017 13:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35895886)
1.Leave.EU under investigation.

2. Vote Leave, rather than Leave.EU, was the official Brexit campaign group. two different campaign groups.

3. Vote.EU is not mentioned anywhere in the article, I doubt it even exists.

4. I fail to see how my above post could be construed as impolite.
Thanks for pointing out my typo, I'm definitely struggling with my new bifocals! :)

passingbat 23-04-2017 14:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35895869)
well there's nothing like a well thought out intelligent post ..........

It was kind of funny; humour in the face of defeat! I blame it on the new glasses ;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35895891)
I'm definitely struggling with my new bifocals! :)

1andrew1 23-04-2017 14:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35895896)
It was kind of funny; humour in the face of defeat! I blame it on the new glasses ;)
Thanks :)

1andrew1 24-04-2017 12:18
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The FT has today published an interview with Wilbur Ross, US secretary of commerce. The article confirmed that the US-UK deal bilateral deal "was quickly put on hold because of the questions raised by Brexit."
In terms of priorities:
Quote:
But Mr Ross said the US’s first trade priority was renegotiating Nafta, the two decades-old agreement with Canada and Mexico that the president has called a “disaster” for the US economy. He also warned Washington wanted quick wins and was now trying to assess who among China, Japan and the EU was best placed to deliver that.
https://www.ft.com/content/7996f226-...8-168383da43b7

Mick 24-04-2017 12:27
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It's on hold anyway, as we are still in that pile of garbage, we cannot cement any trade deal.

This BS that the UK is back of the queue again for US trade, is nothing but negative spin. Was only other day, Paul Ryan said US is ready to start trade talks ASAP.

RizzyKing 24-04-2017 17:02
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Exactly and this negative spin on things is getting really tiresome no one can say any official talks on trade have begun with the UK because of article 50 that's not to say there isn't a great deal of unofficial talks taking place with many countries. The next couple of years are going to be hard because of the limitations article 50 imposes on us and that's pretty much the purpose of article 50 to wear down a population that wants out so they are more willing in future to reconsider the EU. When we come out of this two year tunnel the future will be a lot brighter and prosperous for the UK.

pip08456 24-04-2017 17:12
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As you say Rizzy, there's nothing wrong with unofficial talks and deals being agreed once A50 has been concluded.

The paperwork can be on the table ready to be signed.

Osem 24-04-2017 17:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35896080)
As you say Rizzy, there's nothing wrong with unofficial talks and deals being agreed once A50 has been concluded.

The paperwork can be on the table ready to be signed.
No, no, no! The EU will forbid it and stamp their little feet and refuse to sell us their stuff if we dare to defy them... :D

pip08456 24-04-2017 17:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35896082)
No, no, no! The EU will forbid it and stamp their little feet and refuse to sell us their stuff if we dare to defy them... :D
Bless...

RizzyKing 24-04-2017 21:51
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Given the EU and their supporters are turning a blind eye to france and germany trying to grab chunks of our service sector which they are not supposed to be doing i say screw article 50 and the EU and do what we want. I see no practical benefit in being the side that sticks to the rules when the organisation that made the rules doesn't enforce them.

1andrew1 24-04-2017 22:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35896139)
Given the EU and their supporters are turning a blind eye to france and germany trying to grab chunks of our service sector which they are not supposed to be doing i say screw article 50 and the EU and do what we want. I see no practical benefit in being the side that sticks to the rules when the organisation that made the rules doesn't enforce them.
Which parts of our service sector are France and Germany not allowed to be involved in?

RizzyKing 25-04-2017 02:48
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They are not supposed to be enticing business during the article 50 phase you haven't read article 50 at all have you Andrew you just go on blind loyalty.

pip08456 25-04-2017 07:02
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And if things weren't bad enough from remoaners we now have this.

Quote:
Open Britain has drawn up an “attack list” of 20 seats, held mostly by Conservative MPs, where constituents voted to stay in the EU but their representatives are Brexit supporters.

Open Britain hopes to mobilise the half a million supporters it has on its database to oust them.
They're never going to give up!

Link

jonbxx 25-04-2017 08:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35896163)
They are not supposed to be enticing business during the article 50 phase you haven't read article 50 at all have you Andrew you just go on blind loyalty.
Where does it say that?;

Quote:
Article 50

1. Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.

2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

3. The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

4. For the purposes of paragraphs 2 and 3, the member of the European Council or of the Council representing the withdrawing Member State shall not participate in the discussions of the European Council or Council or in decisions concerning it.

A qualified majority shall be defined in accordance with Article 238(3)(b) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

5. If a State which has withdrawn from the Union asks to rejoin, its request shall be subject to the procedure referred to in Article 49.

Mick 25-04-2017 10:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35896170)
And if things weren't bad enough from remoaners we now have this.



They're never going to give up!

Link
LOL. Total waste of time and effort on their part. Unless it has escaped their pathetic little minds, Article 50 has been invoked. Brexit is happening. Unseating 20 or so Brexit MPs will have no effect.

papa smurf 25-04-2017 10:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35896170)
And if things weren't bad enough from remoaners we now have this.



They're never going to give up!

Link
mandelslime / tony the butcher of Baghdad /and windy miller what a bunch of ........

1andrew1 25-04-2017 11:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35896163)
They are not supposed to be enticing business during the article 50 phase you haven't read article 50 at all have you Andrew you just go on blind loyalty.
I asked a reasonable question because I couldn't understand your post. I thought you meant things like DB and SNCF running UK train here and wanted to clarify matters to avoid jumping to conclusions.

Osem 25-04-2017 18:04
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What is it with Labour? We have Corbyn telling all and sundry that he'd never use nukes no matter what and we have Keir Starmer deciding that a) it's a good idea to act unilaterally over the status of EU citizens in the UK and b) to state that a Labour Government would not walk away from negotiations even if the EU refused to compromise and deliver the sort of deal he says Labour wants.

What sort of negotiation technique is that then?*


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39698465


When we decide to move and find the house of our dreams I'm going to make sure I maximise my bargaining position by telling the vendors that we'll buy it no matter what price they ask and whatever other conditions they attach to the deal... :rolleyes:


* Maybe the sort which is intended to secure such a poor deal from the EU that the pubic would be bound to reject it when asked in the referendum Labour have promised and the end result is that we wind up staying in the EU.

pip08456 25-04-2017 18:06
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Nah, they're just making sure they're unelectable!

Osem 25-04-2017 18:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35896287)
Nah, they're just making sure they're unelectable!
:doh:

So that's why they elected Corbyn as 'leader'... :D

passingbat 25-04-2017 18:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35896286)


b) to state that a Labour Government would not walk away from negotiations even if the EU refused to compromise and deliver the sort of deal he says Labour wants.

What sort of negotiation technique is that then?*
.

Maybe he needs to buy Donald's book... ? ;)


The EU needs to know that we are prepared to walk away from the deal, and know that it is a reality, not a pretend, weak, threat

Osem 25-04-2017 20:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35896294)
Maybe he needs to buy Donald's book... ? ;)


The EU needs to know that we are prepared to walk away from the deal, and know that it is a reality, not a pretend, weak, threat
Exactly. Labour, the Lib wossits and the salmond national party would happily sell UK PLC down the river. The EU would make us pay to remain in and we'd come out of this whole thing having ceded more of our powers and money to the faceless Brussels parasites. They'd no doubt then blame the Tories for the whole thing.

Mr K 25-04-2017 21:21
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And the Brussels 'parasites' will now have to be replaced by Whitehall 'parasites' that are now desperately being recruited, on account of how we've made most of them redundant over the last 10 years. No doubt they will soon be seen as the enemy again. People will never be satisfied, we're a nation of Daily Fail moaners.

Ramrod 26-04-2017 08:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35896306)
And the Brussels 'parasites' will now have to be replaced by Whitehall 'parasites' that are now desperately being recruited, on account of how we've made most of them redundant over the last 10 years. No doubt they will soon be seen as the enemy again. People will never be satisfied, we're a nation of Daily Fail moaners.
Well you're a moaner :rolleyes:

papa smurf 26-04-2017 08:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35896327)
Well you're a moaner :rolleyes:
:)

RizzyKing 26-04-2017 17:24
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You'll have to excuse my laughing at you MrK complaining about moaners when you make most look like shiny happy people. Labour can say what they want it's never going to happen my dogs have more chance of forming the next government then labour probably got better policies as well. This election is a foregone conclusion the only question is how big a majority the tories will get though i do believe there are enough daft EU supporters to propel the lib dems higher then they deserve but thankfully nowhere near enough that they will have a sniff of power again.

1andrew1 26-04-2017 19:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35896176)
Where does it say that?;
I hadn't realised Article 50 was so short! From what you read sometimes, people are comparing their achievement in reading Article 50 to having read War and Peace or Ulysses. Bless 'em.

Mr K 26-04-2017 20:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35896424)
I hadn't realised Article 50 was so short! From what you read sometimes, people are comparing their achievement in reading Article 50 to having read War and Peace or Ulysses. Bless 'em.
It was only supposed to be a joke, now we're the joke !

Article 49 is a much better read ;)

1andrew1 26-04-2017 20:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35896435)
It was only supposed to be a joke, now we're the joke !

Article 49 is a much better read ;)
A friend of mine has just been Bre-exited today. :( A double whammy of the government's energy policy and Brexit sees the company move central operations to Europe and have the UK as just a sales outlet.

Mr K 26-04-2017 20:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35896438)
A friend of mine has just been Bre-exited today. :( A double whammy of the government's energy policy and Brexit sees the company move central operations to Europe and have the UK as just a sales outlet.
The same for 300 Nestle jobs in Newcastle and York. The work is going to Poland. There'll more of that I'm afraid. http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/15244675.display/

Ramrod 26-04-2017 20:32
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We (the leave voters) never claimed that this process would be painless :(

pip08456 26-04-2017 20:34
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Nestle intended the move before brexit, labour is cheaper in Poland.

1andrew1 26-04-2017 20:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35896439)
The same for 300 Nestle jobs in Newcastle and York. The work is going to Poland. There'll more of that I'm afraid. http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/15244675.display/
The thing is that the relocation to Poland may have happened regardless although cost pressures are stronger now with the decline in the Pound and rise in prices. In France, the white goods manufacturer Whirlpool is moving its manufacturing plant to Poland and they're both EU 27 countries.
But my friend's was heavily Brexit. They have key European staff who are nervous over their residency here and some have left and also the company is unsure how it can serve EU countries from outside the EU so the combination tipped the decision. Hopefully the company can rebuild in the future here.

deadite66 26-04-2017 20:40
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I voted leave hoping for a better future expecting short term pain.
as a near minimum wage factory worker remain would have carried on with stagnating wages due to oversupply in the low skilled jobs market and large increases in the cost of housing due to labour and the conservatives refusal to take over house building.

Mr K 26-04-2017 20:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35896441)
Nestle intended the move before brexit, labour is cheaper in Poland.
Really? or are they just trying to keep their remaining workers 'onside' before the rest of the jobs go ? Your Blue Riband will be Polish from now on, crap biscuit anyway, the KitKat is far superior.

Ramrod 26-04-2017 20:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35896441)
Nestle intended the move before brexit, labour is cheaper in Poland.
So in other words, that was fake bad news :rolleyes:

Mr K 26-04-2017 20:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35896446)
So in other words, that was fake bad news :rolleyes:
It isn't fake to the people that have lost their jobs.

pip08456 26-04-2017 20:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35896446)
So in other words, that was fake bad news :rolleyes:
No just Mr K's slant on it.

From the article he posted.

Quote:
A spokesman for Nestle said at a 45 day consultation was currently taking place involving the proposed reduction of 298 roles throughout this year and next at York, Fawdon, Halifax and Girvan in Scotland.

He said the move was not linked to Brexit “The proposed changes include amended and standardised shift patterns at each factory and, at Fawdon, the most complex of Nestlé’s UK confectionery sites, the transfer of Blue Riband production to a Nestlé factory in Poland," he said.

Ramrod 26-04-2017 21:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35896447)
It isn't fake to the people that have lost their jobs.
But fake as it shouldn't be in this brexit thread as it has nothing to do with brexit.

Osem 26-04-2017 22:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35896450)
But fake as it shouldn't be in this brexit thread as it has nothing to do with brexit.
Mate, you should know by now that for some folks everything bad which happens in the UK is a direct result of Brexit whereas what little good which ever happens now is in spite of it and won't last. ;)

1andrew1 26-04-2017 22:58
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More Project Fear nonsense, they must be making this all up.
Quote:
Deutsche Bank AG’s top compliance executive said as many as 4,000 U.K. jobs at the lender could be at risk of being moved to other locations as the country leaves the European Union.
About 2,000 jobs would be affected if all of the bank’s client-facing staff had to move, and an additional 2,000 could be at risk in associated functions, Sylvie Matherat, the German lender’s chief regulatory officer, said Wednesday in Frankfurt. Deutsche Bank, which has roughly 9,000 employees in the country including 7,000 in London, needs more clarity before making a final decision, she said.

Where Are London Bankers Moving After Brexit?
“For front office people, if you want to deal with an EU client, you need to be based in the EU,” Matherat said. “Does it mean I have to move all the front office people to Germany or not? We’re speaking of 2,000 people.”
“Then you have the local supervisors who rightly say, come on, if you have your client here, if you book your operation here, you need to have your risk management capacity here,” she added. “It means another 2,000 people.”
The uncertainty triggered by Britain’s decision to leave the European Union has prompted banks to consider setting up new hubs in the EU to secure continued access to clients in the bloc. In all, London could lose 10,000 banking jobs and 20,000 financial-services positions as clients move assets out of the U.K. after Brexit, according to the Bruegel think tank. Other estimates range from 4,000 to 232,000 jobs.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...risk-in-brexit

RizzyKing 26-04-2017 23:24
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The bruegel think tank based in brussels they couldn't possibly be biased could they.

1andrew1 26-04-2017 23:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35896458)
The bruegel think tank based in brussels they couldn't possibly be biased could they.
Transparify has awarded Bruegel five stars out of five for transparency, acknowledging its openness on governance and financing. The news article itself is nothing to do with Breugel. It's a report from a conference.

Mick 27-04-2017 01:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35896439)
The same for 300 Nestle jobs in Newcastle and York. The work is going to Poland. There'll more of that I'm afraid. http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/15244675.display/
I knew you would be sad enough to try this, did not take long. As others have already pointed out. Nestle have said nothing to do with Brexit.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35896460)
Transparify has awarded Bruegel five stars out of five for transparency, acknowledging its openness on governance and financing. The news article itself is nothing to do with Breugel. It's a report from a conference.
And it's total nonsense.

Ramrod 27-04-2017 09:45
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Quote:
Deutsche Bank AG’s top compliance executive said as many as 4,000 U.K. jobs at the lender could be at risk of being moved to other locations as the country leaves the European Union.
In other news, it could rain fish in Scunthorpe sometime in the next two years :/

tweetiepooh 27-04-2017 10:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35896460)
Transparify has awarded Bruegel five stars out of five for transparency, acknowledging its openness on governance and financing. The news article itself is nothing to do with Breugel. It's a report from a conference.
Transparency and bias aren't opposites. All this means is they are transparently biased.

papa smurf 27-04-2017 10:10
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'You're not LISTENING!'

Windy Miller snaps as she's told to 'STOP obstructing Brexit'

Appearing on Channel 4, Ms Miller locked horns with Jonathan Isaby, the editor of the website Brexit Central, as he said the campaigner was still in denial about the results of the June referendum.

Mr Isaby said: “I’m afraid people like Gina are in denial of the result because actually the majority of Remain voters now think the Government should get on with Brexit.

“We do have democracy in this country and when you have a referendum there has to be an acceptance of the result.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/797...-Isaby-EU-exit

1andrew1 27-04-2017 12:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 35896481)
Transparency and bias aren't opposites. All this means is they are transparently biased.
Agreed. Breugel has nothing to do with the main article though. They're just quoted as talking about other job losses.
The source of the main article is Sylvie Matherat, the Deutsche Bank's chief regulatory officer.

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Interesting. I had expected the pro-Brexit percentage to still be ahead. Will be interesting to see how the percentages alter over the coming months and years.
Quote:
More Britons think Brexit is a bad idea than a good one for the first time since the bombshell referendum, according to a new poll.
The YouGov poll revealed that 45 per cent of voters now agree Britain was wrong to vote to leave the EU, compared to 43 per cent who still think it is the correct decision. A further 12 per cent do not know.
It is the first time a poll has found the majority of people disagreeing with the referendum result.
Poll was commissioned for The Times. Standard article here.

Mick 27-04-2017 12:30
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Oh look, another FAKE NEWS poll.

1andrew1 27-04-2017 12:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35896491)
Oh look, another FAKE NEWS poll.
In what way is it fake Mick?
It's a poll by a reputable company (YouGov) commissioned by an authoritative publication (The Times).

papa smurf 27-04-2017 12:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35896491)
Oh look, another FAKE NEWS poll.
never ends does it ,it must take hours to trawl up all this rubbish

Damien 27-04-2017 12:38
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YouGov was one of the closest to be right in last years vote.

People massively overdo the 'polls were wrong' thing anyway. It was a lot closer than people think: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...eferendum#2015


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