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When I was a younger my old gran used to say to me a few sage sayings like Ignore them and they will go away and if you cannot say anything good then do not say anything.

Obviously, we all make mistakes and react when we should not but answer me this (to all who have the problem). If you dislike Richard so much why in Gods holy name do so many keep engaging with him?

An outsider could some and read a lot of these threads and think a lot of you are nasty peices of work because it does look like you target him and gang up on him. He is one guy saying stuff and acting how a lot of you appear to despise so a group have a go at him. Some call names and some post quite aggressively towards him yet you all slag him off saying you keep doing this and that and acting exactly how you expect yet you engage over and over again. No moral highground here you are as bad as him for rising to it.

I got off to a bad start here and after my runs have wound my neck in why don't some of you

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My Gran used to say "Sticks and stones may break your bones but calling will not hurt you." What happened to those days?

Today anything can be classed as hurtful to anybody, I wonder what the world will be like 20yrs from now.

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well sticks and stones were always wrong and thankfully we are not in that world any more. Psychological bullying can be a lot worse than physical and last a lifetime I tell you I know

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IMO If people are allowed or even expected to praise and/or approve of something or someone, then they should also be allowed to criticise. Otherwise you end up with a very distorted set of viewpoints.
You cannot challenge something, if that something isn't allowed to be presented in the first place.


It constantly annoys me when people play the X card, when that has nothing to do with the situation. EG If somebody is arguing with you or possibly attacking you, then all sorts if things are going to be said. As long as X has got anything to do with the original argument/attack, then the argument/attack isn't Xist.

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Agreed. What's changed since granny's day is our increased understanding of mental health.

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I am not saying people should not be allowed I am simply saying why do they keep rising to it and then getting annoyed and painting what I see as a bad picture of themselves as well as the one Richard paints. 2 wrongs do not make a right (another grannyism hahaha)

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He accused me of something I didn't do and then threatened legal action when I pressed him for proof. I still have the private messages of him doing so. Excuse me if I don't find Richard a very nice person. But I won't stand for that kind of abuse regardless of whether someone is disabled or not.

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I get that but that is not my point. He has been a member of this forum nigh on 14 years that is long enough for all long term members to have the measure risen to the bate and got bored of it yet here we are 14 years later and still long term members are rising to the bate. Says as much about them as it does about him

Not a grannyism but an apt phrase for this Don't Feed The Trolls. 14 years of satisfying attention whether negative reinforcement or not

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Or, people will continue to throw back anything that comes our way from him. I personally will not put up with anything like what he does from anyone and will call anyone out on it. Defending oneself is not rising to the bate.

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Conversely you have to wonder why, after 14 years of (alleged) abuse, Richard still continues to post on subjects he surely knows (by now) will get a poor reception.

It's almost as though he's trying to prove himself right by continually bashing our heads with it.









. . . or trolling, but 14 years is a heck of a fishing trip :D

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If it's brown and comes out of a bull, it doesn't matter what sort of bull it may be - we'll still call it out for what it is.

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We are on a very slippery slope at the minute with free speech and debate under tremendous threat and that a routine poster is happy to accept it as he believes it will give some protection is disturbing. I neither know or wish to know your particular issues but there are thing's that are more important then some perceived security this legislation will effectively place the government in a position of deciding what can and cant be discussed, debated or questioned. These day's the louder the political Shout's of freedom and democracy are the closer we seem to be towards dictatorship.

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Far too late to complain or really change anything. The oppressive environment is there no matter what. People will still have to refrain from viewpoints that are not permitted. The oppressors will always have the power to deny individual people various things, eg a job.

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This may give reprieve to Europe's downtrodden masses. Wonder if it will include the UK as the law in respect of it hasn't been repealed yet.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...thisistrue.com

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What a shame, I'll be so sad to see them go ..... :sleep:

Seems unlikely though tbh, they would presumably lose a lot of revenue ?

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Ah yes, the old GDPR. Funny that some people didn't seem to think this would impact on businesses at all. I'm looking forward to our bonfire of regulations to rid ourselves of oppressive regulations such as these.

But then comes the Online Safety Bill. Christ! Are we getting the bureaucracy bug as well? Hopefully this destructive piece of legislation will get binned once the politicians think it through.

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Laws, Rules, Legislation, Policy . . new ones and updated ones . . year on year . . for years and years.

We have the Highway code and a stricter driving test to ensure everyone drives safely . . . broken daily
We have laws regarding guns and knifes . . . broken daily
We have laws regarding drug dealing and use of . . . broken daily

Money laundering, fraud, theft, parking restrictions, fly tipping, smoking, drinking, tax evasion, building regs, blah blah blah.

Laws keep the decent people in check, 'bad' people don't give a toss and will carry on regardless.

Introduce as much legislation as you like, all they eventually do is . . . . nothing that really makes a difference to the ones flaunting them.

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Exactly.

My job involves planning fibre installation and upgrades i have to follow many rules put in place to ensure the safety of the public during any work in the public highway or i can lose my job. Funny thing is i see those rules are broken all the time by others that don't give a toss. As you say there has always been those who follow the rules and those that don't and no amount of new rules will change that.

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TPTB can't abide a place they can't control. There was always going to be all kinds of furore about the WWW. Always going to be those who want to control all the spaces that people inhabit and can possibly plan revolt against the TPTB. Most of us just saw a wide open space that we could run freely through. But there will always be those that use this freedom to abuse the rest of us.The upland free hills of the internet have been spoiled.:(

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Todays You & Yours programme on Radio 4 featured calls for a separate Economic Crimes Bill as the Online Safety legislation only covers user generated fraud.

It took the Government long enough to feature fraud at all and they only agreed to include it in the bill a matter of months ago.

It also highlighted again how self governance isn't working. For example, in the case of Instagram, they do little to help victims until the media get involved. It's almost as if they couldn't care less and are simply interested solely in making money :erm:

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:sleep:

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Victims of what exactly ? Is using Instagram a crime now ?

Much as I dislike social media in general, its ridiculous to keep blaming them for how people choose to use it. :rolleyes:

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GDPR won't go or if it does we'll likely have something similar. Firms should already be abiding by it, a lot of them will still want pan-European access so might as well keep it and the U.K already had the Data Protection Act so was quite good on it.

Besides the fact Facebook are against it should be a warning sign there is something to it. The job of the Government is to protect its people and not shareholders of Facebook.

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Yes, firms that sell internationally won't relish having an extra pile of bureaucracy to handle by way of another rule book to follow alongside GDPR. It's already quite proportionate legislation so there's little obvious scope for any quick wins here.

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GDPR proportionate ?
You're having a laugh, its probably the most instrusive thing we have had to suffer since the internet began, on every fracking site. Its hugely irritating. :mad:

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It ranges from hacking their accounts that they use for a business and blackmailing them to duping people into giving them access to their accounts and defrauding them and their friends (whilst purporting to be them). A lot of paedophiles use it to groom children, obtain obscene pictures through blackmail, threats, manipulation, social engineering etc.

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It won't matter how much online 'protection' is offered through legislation if people refuse to be educated on how to stay safe online.Despite all the warnings constantly underlined in the media we have still been seeing on the BBC and other media outlets only this week how people who are supposedly internet savvy are getting stung out of huge sums of money. Education is the key and followed by really heavy punishment for those caught.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60380467

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These people are really clever,; even those that think they would never be caught out can be. There was a case where even a man whose job it was to prevent online fraud was caught out!

It's why the vulnerable, such as children, the elderly, the mentally disabled etc, don't stand a chance.

Hopefully, such a law will result in harsher punishments and, by default, result in more education or preventative measures to try and prevent this.

I believe that those that are caught out should be more readily helped by the Financial institutions instead of being blamed for it themselves.

The banks have pushed everybody online whilst saving huge amounts on premises and staff costs, yet when something goes wrong tend to try and blame their customers.

Once again we see a voluntary code of conduct being blatantly ignored, which usually leads to yet more regulation.

As time goes on, it's getting worse too. There are reports in this mornings newspapers saying it is going up by a fifth and rising all the time. Sorry, it won't let me post the link for some reason.

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Of all the social platforms, paedophiles use IG the least for their crimes. Dating apps are far more popular for that kind of thing.

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Yep, you can only protect people so much, after that it comes down to whether they think "something too good to be true" is actually a bargain . . . or a scam.

Internet shopping and online banking is a massive boon to the criminal fraternity, and although banks have procedures in place to prevent theft & fraud, once you've been hit by it you need to prove to the bank that you didn't give any details out that you shouldn't have done.

I've never been a lover of internet shopping, but it's getting to be the only way you can buy items . . . and I don't trust many of the 'review' sites out there to give me an honest appraisal of items I'm looking at.
It's easy to order a pair of trousers and return them if they don't fit or wrong colour etc . . . not so easy with a fridge freezer.

As far as punishing the scammers, difficult to do if they operate outside of certain jurisdiction areas or are 'fly by night' boys that come and go.

Education is definitely key, but complacency is an easy trap to fall into if you've never had a problem with the first 500 transactions.

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Dating apps are usually 18+, so I doubt it would be the first place paedophiles would go looking for underage people.

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You’d be very surprised. We catch most predators via dating apps.

Just because someone signs up saying they’re 18 doesn’t mean they actually are.

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Russ is part of a paedophile hunter team, so will have more insight than you.

Paedophile hunters join dating sites for over 18 year olds and then state that they are underage in order to snare the paedophile.

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Indeed.

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So again, how is that the fault of the service provider (Instagram) ?

Is the Post Office to blame if someone posts you hate mail ?

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Not going in to specifics of how we do things (for obvious reasons plus it would be way off topic) but predators very rarely use the big Social Media platforms to initially go looking for victims.

Therefore I don’t agree that any new initiatives or reforms will make a difference in protecting children from sexual predators.

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Didn't dispute that, but most paedophiles aren't going to be looking on a 18+ site for kids that are lying about their age.

Having watched a lot of these stings, the majority they catch are just dim stupid idiots. The script for these stings are also just stupid. How many 14 year olds don't know what sex or masturbation is. The majority all go down the route of trouble at home too. But if they are catching them, I suppose that's all that matters.

Though I do have to question, some of those conducting the stings. Because I dared question one group, I got banned from their page. They always say don't say the decoys name. Yet the one doing the sting mentioned it at least 50 times. She literally shot down the accused when he mentioned the name and after shouting at him for using the decoys name, instantly started saying the name again. When mentioned, you get a ban from their page.

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You don't know what I do so you don't know that .

Having watched a lot of stings, I'm quite clued up on the exact way they conduct themselves, it's no secret.

The point I'm making, not many paedophiles are on 18+ dating sites looking for kids considering the majority of them are 18+.

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Usually these people are specifically searching for individuals aged 18. Nothing wrong with that, legally of course.

As for the rest of your post, answering it would be be way off topic too however should a thread about hunters crop up (there was one years and years ago I think) I would be happy to answer what I can and give more context and insight.

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You're finding chancers on dating sites. The whole point of an 18+ site is its meant for adults, not kids. While I'm not saying they won't go on dating sites, they aren't going on there for the sole purpose of looking for kids, that would be rather pointless considering it's an adult site.

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Which is what I said. 18 is an adult. You're catching chancers on a platform for adults which when presented with someone of 14, goes, ok I'll try a bit of that. And while that is wrong and it's good they are being caught, I wouldn't say that most paedophiles use dating sites.

To be honest and I'm not being disrespectful here, I do appreciate the voluntary job they do, I don't really need any insight or context. Anyone with any brain cells, who watch these stings, know exactly how hunting teams work. There is no real secret behind it. But you're right, it's not for here.

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All I can say is (respectfully) you’re way off the mark in a number of ways.

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And all I'll say is I'm definitely not. I've watched hundreds of these. It's no secret to how you work these types of things. These groups spill most of the beans on lives they do. How the conversation goes, how they caught them, using adults to meet up with them if they haven't come to meet a child, pretending to be delivering parcels or food. You can even tell a lot of the decoy pages if they are using Facebook. Which is why I said you have to be dim to be even caught out by these groups.

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Not getting in to an argument but what you see on stings is only about 20% of reality. Too many of them enjoy the fame and attention.

I’m sorry but you are very wrong in how you believe these groups work. I’ve been doing this for 6 years and your perception certainly is not reality.

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They aren't being helpful when such things are reported to them. People are either ignored, given the runaround or receive pointless non replies.

It looks like Parliament want to extend what was asked for (for inappropriate posts to be removed or people being given their accounts back) by making site owners have a duty of care towards their members and by removing inappropriate posts before they are even reported.

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Do you mean the one titled 'Stinston Hunter paedo exposer' from 2013?

If so, it was closed at the request of the OP, which I didn't think was allowed :confused:

I've started another in Lifestyle titled 'Paedophile hunter groups'. Unfortunately, it won't allow me to post a link.

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Too many enjoy the fame and attention is exactly right, which gives away exactly how they work.

I'm sorry but I'm very much not wrong. You might not like knowing people know how these groups work, but it's not exactly top secret.

You put an adult pretending to be a child on some form of site be it social media, chat site or dating apps. You wait till an adult starts the conversation. You state the age of the decoy within so many messages. You pretend the decoy doesn't understand about anything sexual. The decoy will not lead the conversation. The adult will arrange the meet or if they don't, the group will arrange a meet by using an adult to then confront the person about the underage decoy. Sometimes they pretend they are delivering something to get the suspect to the door.

Those are the basics of how these groups work. You aren't doing top secret spy stuff, it's not hard to understand how these groups work. And a lot of them are bordering on the line of them acting illegally. I watched one a couple of days back, the team patting the suspect down, going in his pocket, taking out his wallet and then checking for ID. One group even had a 'paedophile' as part of their security team.

You can try to pretend that I don't know much about these teams, but apart from the basics I've listed, there isn't really much more to know.

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By what you think you know you’ve proven you don’t know much about it.

But no you’re right. You (who has watched some videos) knows more about what really goes on than myself (who over 5 years has been involved in 160+ stings).

You totally know what happens behind the scenes. Absolutely.

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I've proven I know exactly what goes on. I know these groups don't like people knowing how they work, but the simple truth is it's not hard to figure out.

I've watched many more than 160 stings, probably over double the amount. While the groups like to think they are pretty secretive, it's not hard to figure out how it works.

You're right, I don't know what person A said to person B behind the scenes. I don't need to know that to know how these groups work. I know the ins and outs of how you catch these people, what you are or aren't allowed to say and what you are or aren't allowed to do. While there might be a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes, it's not really top secret stuff other than talking to the suspect, trying to track down the suspect and printing off chat logs or having them ready to hand over to the Police.

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You don’t. Trust me, you don’t.

I’m not personally bothered whether you do or not but if what you’ve said is all you know then you know about 20% of how things really happen.

Trust me, you don’t know how it’s done.

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Trust me I do. You're acting as though you have this top secret group that no one understands how it works. In reality, you get a picture of a young teenager, put it on a site, wait for someone to speak to it, then intercept them and hand over to the Police. That might take a week, it might take a year. I've gave examples how they work, you seem quiet. Why don't you give examples in here or the other thread created on the subject.

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You don’t know how my groups work.

But granted yes, you know about 25% of how some groups work.

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Because I don't know who you are. If you're like any of the other numerous groups I watch and who I guess we are talking about when we mention stings or paedophile hunters then I know exactly how these groups work. Again, it's no top secret, the teams give it away themselves anyway.

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OK

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The public can have their data protected in a much less bureaucratic way than this. The government will continue to protect data, but it will not insist on businesses doing cartwheels to show they abide by it or require every single website to place warning signs on their use of data.

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It was on Channel 5 this morning and in the Daily Mail that websites are also going to be required to provide users with the tools required to block unverified (ie anonymous) posters as it's believed that, when people believe that they can post what they like online anonymously, it brings out the worst in people.

In order to verify oneself something like a photo ID driving licence will be needed.

Twitter has already brought in a system where unverified users can all automatically be blocked by users.

There was also talk of a requirement where legal, but nevertheless potentially upsetting material, will have to be masked so that users can choose not to be subject to such posts. An example given, which sounds odd to me, is racist content.

They are also talking about five years imprisonment for those who post inappropriate content.

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What a load of shite that will turn out to be . . . farcical in the extreme

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What are the reasons for your assertion?

I think it will be beneficial in both cutting down on posts that are and will become illegal and preventing offence from posts that, whilst legal, are offensive.

Victims of trolling, bullying, harrassment, abuse, stalking, discrimination etc will welcome this added protection.

I imagine that those who carry out the above, as well as paedophiles, scammers etc will be pretty annoyed about this development.

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Do you read what you write ?
If its legal, there is no reason at all to prevent it being posted.
As I have pointed out many many times now "offensive" is subjective.
Anyone can say they think something "offensive" simply because they disagree with it (or even no reason at all).
Just because some over sensitive snowflake says they take "offence" at something does not mean people should not be able to post.
If its legal, well ... then its legal.
No one forces anyone to read anything, people can already choose not to read things, or choose not to use social media at all.

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Please do not take this as an attack as I really do not want any more trouble but can you not see a benefit of a proper block system? Obviously not blocking mods or admin but users that wind you up. Surely that would be of benefit to all members of the forum

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Of course you should be allowed to block certain posters or certain material you don’t want to see (if that is even possible), but the proposal goes much further than that.

Freedom of speech is important in a democracy, and you ban it at your peril.

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Thats not what the proposal is, there is a big difference between someone choosing to block what they can read, and preventing perfectly legal posts.

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I read and understand what I write within the confines of my abilities- no need for sarcasm in the circumstances. My facilitator thinks that you've misunderstood what was said.

The proposal is to prevent the sight of something that an individual may find offensive or upsetting, not stop it from being posted. For example a victim of child sex abuse may find discussion of this triggering and/or upsetting.

Whilst it would be unreasonable, almost criminal, to prevent discussion of such an important subject it'rs perfectly reasonable to expect some people to find it too much to cope with.

In short, legal posts would be masked for them Referring to such people as "snowflakes' is, at best, unhelpful.

It's not correct that people can always choose to stay away from material that they find offensive, as the material they find offensive may be unexpected. For example, this is why warnings are given at the start of television programmes.

A programme about child sex abuse would obviously be easy to avoid, but it might unexpectedly turn up during a soap.

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I'm not sure how they'll mask legal material that some find offensive. I imagine that they will use key words in the case of written text. They have the technology to identify certain images*, so I suppose tihey'll use this too.

*I recently watched a YouTube video where a man bought a new mobile phone and couldn't manage to transfer some illegal images from the old to the new one.

He was caught because the material was picked up when he tried to email them to himself.

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Have you ever thought of moving to China . . or North Korea?

I believe the internet there is almost at the standard you seem to require ;)

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No, because those places inhibit free speech (the North Korean version of Facebook is something to behold). Free speech, however, should not mean saying whatever one likes regardless of its effects on other people.

Would you prefer a continuation of the situation where people are encouraged to commit suicide, children are groomed by paedophiles, minority groups are harrassed/insulted/discriminated against etc etc?

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To tell you the truth, I don't see any of that . . probably because I don't use Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, Snapchat or any other of the platforms where most of the crap seems to be happening. Maybe closing those down would help?

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You have a very warped sense of the world.

Firstly, none of these things is new, or unique to the internet.
They existed long before the internet ever came along, and long before social media sites and forums existed.

Secondly, they are the result of a very small minority of users.
Facebook has 2.9 BILLION users, Instagram 815 Million, twitter has 290 million.
The vast majority of these do none of the things you mention.

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Yup, they did and laws existed to deal with them. Although rather late, laws are now catching up with the increased ways that modern technology facilitates the ability to carry out such acts online.

I agree that the vast majority of people don't do anything inappropriate on the internet and won't be impacted by the Online Harms legislation, but these aren't the people that need to be dealt with. The vast majority of people aren't armed robbers, but legislation is in place to deal with the minority who are.

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It would be a shame to see them close as many people use such sites properly and enjoy them. The only way I can see them closing (to the UK) is if the owners refuse to comply with the new requirements that our Government demands. I can't see this happening as all they seem to be interested in is money.

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Just think how much easier It'd make it for the police to catch them if they changed the law to make it a legal requirement for your friendly neighbourhood gangsters to register their identities before putting their balaclavas on. Oh wait, they'd just find a way round it and use a false ID like your run of the mill nonce, racist, bully or terrorist will do.

Stupid proposal thought up by people who don't seem to have a clue.

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:tu: :clap:

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That you can't see or won't recognise the damage this legislation if passed will do is concerning and as I've said many times it absolutely will not provide the security you think it will that's not opinion Richard it's fact. I'm not the most ICT savvy person but I'm fortunate to work with people that are and one of them demonstrated how they could continue doing everything this legislation purports to stop in less then five minutes with zero chance of being individually identified.

As other's have said safety on the internet is more to do with education then legislation that point was also made by another techie saying one of the most popular passwords is !123qwerty, I have no way of knowing if it's correct but I trust the person who told me. Your looking for legislation to replace personal responsibility and individual effort and it will fail at that as well it is never a good idea to allow government to decide what can and can't be said because even if you trust the government now what about 5,10 or 15 years down the line.

You really need to view this from outside of your norm Richard and see the power of misuse this creates.

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Interview with Nadine Dorries in the first segment of this programme. She is asked about the forthcoming legislation and if this will affect free speech, journalists etc: Also covers romance fraud, scam adverts, exposing children to suicide sites, pornography etc.

https://www.itv.com/hub/this-morning/2a6292a0799

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Another excellent programme from The Moral Maze, Cleaning The Internet is a balanced discussion between those who support Government plans to try and make the internet a kinder and safer place to be and those who feel that this could impact upon free speech.

Interesting points were made by both sides.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0015lr7

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ffs give it a rest....:rolleyes:

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Nanny state . If you don't like it , don't read it . Fail to understand why people have to have their hand held , spoon fed, look after yourself stop expecting others to worry about " your" feelings. Really fed up hearing about people's mental state. Lots of phases come to mind ,however no doubt it would upset the snowflakes :shocked:

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Agreed.

Anyone know if there is a way to block a user and not see there posts even if someone quotes them ?

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Nope, been trying to block someone's posts for a long time. Unfortunately when he gets quoted up pops the posts that invariably wind me up.

I end up just trying to ignore him and imagine I'm playing Spank the Monkey. :D

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The problem with this is that one often doesn’t know that something is offensive until one has read it!

The answer to someone who is making offensive comments is to deal with them appropriately and not expect those on the receiving end to take steps to avoid it.

Do you think that elderly & neuro diverse people who get scammed are 'snowflakes'?

Do you think that those with severe depression who are actually encouraged to take their own lives are/were snowflakes?

Do you think that children who are groomed, blackmailed or threatened by paedophiles are 'snowfkakes'?

This legislation aims to deal with a plethora of inappropriate online behaviour.

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Just avoid entering any thread where the subject matter doesn't interest you, simple really.

There are many threads in here where I have absolutely no interest in what's being discussed, but I don't enter them to whine about what they are talking about, simply because the subject matter doesn't interest me personally. I just don't go into them and hope that they have an enjoyable and productive discussion.

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

:LOL:

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No it isnt. First of all 'offensive' is completely subjective.

Anyone can claim to be offended (and often do) just becasue they dont agree with something, or even just to try and get other people into trouble.

People have been doing it on this very forum for years.

You (and everyone) are also responsible for taking your own steps to avoid such comments, not expecting others to do it all for you (or even agree with you that something is 'offensive').

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You're funny Richard, at start of the post your complaining that you don't know if something's offensive until you read it, then tell people not to enter a thread based on the subject matter incase they don't like what they're reading.

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

:clap::clap::clap:

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No, I'm sorry Richard, but this is completely wrong. If you don't like what you start reading, just move on and ignore it.

This proposal will eventually destroy free speech. You have to ensure that your remedies for the illness in society doesn't kill everyone in the process.

The Communists in our world will simply love this legislation. It will provoke quite a reaction, so be careful what you wish for!

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Are you really calling your beloved Borris and his cohort commies??? You must be, after all it's his (Communist) government that's planning to introduce the bill and seem to be about the only people enthusing about it!!

(Have book marked this post for future use ;))

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

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I'm talking about threads with titles that I have no interest in.

Also, if I entered a thread that looked interesting and found that it wasn't, i'd avoid entering it again. I wouldn't keep entering it to constantly make negative comments, it's a good habit to get into as most forums wouldn't tolerate this behaviour. It's a more productive use of one's time to discuss things that you do find interesting too.

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I’m talking about the law of unintended consequences.

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Every one should be free to say what ever they wish
And yes if they are upset by name calling
To at least one other again the answer is yes I do
Why would you even think that children groomed come into that range I fail to see.
However getting upset because of name calling .....get a grip :shocked:

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This doesn't make any sense to me (could be my cognitive issues). If so, can someone please translate it into a more understandable format for me to enable me to understand what's being said? Thanks.

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I know a lot of members of this forum have an issue with Richard and I have seen why however I would like to point you to the very real psychological effects name calling can have.

https://openminds.org.au/news/effect...%20early%20age.

https://www.verywellfamily.com/conse...calling-460613

https://medium.com/feel-the-blog/don...h-c03cb01165fd

The last one should be of special interest to you due to the fact you decided it ok to tell someone with well-known mental health issues to "get a grip"

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

Richard hadn’t said he has mental health issues, he has stated he has cognitive issues from damage to his brain.

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does that make saying "get a grip" to him better or worse?

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Probably needs to be translated to a more understandable format for him to understand it

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Come on, Hugh. Could you not be a little more understanding, and constructive? This place is a very unhappy forum. People need to lighten up.

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Come on, OLD BOY, could you try not to be more understanding in reading what I post?

I was pointing out that jaymoss was misunderstanding Richard's challenges, in that Richard does not suffer from mental health problems - I was trying to clarify, not chastise.

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

You were trying to wind him up. We can all see that.

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No, I wasn’t.

If I was, I might have said something like "well, by 2035 he may have mental health issues" or "we need to wait for the outcome of the Police Investigation before we can decide if he has mental health issues"…

No, hold on - strike that second one…;)

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I saw it as a correction rather than a wind up. However the correction made no difference to the point I was making about telling someone with either a mental health condition or cognitive issues caused by a brain injury to "get a grip"

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

I am utterly sick of this thread.It's so confrontational and doesn't actually serve any real purpose except to wind people up.

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The thing that effect's my mental health are people saying this that or the other is effecting there mental health . And l will say it get a grip stop blaming every one else ,for your lack of ..... Write in your choice

Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 

I wonder how many people that say they have a mental health issue or problem but have never seen a Doctor or been diagnosed.

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Well, these days, having a mental health problem is a nice excuse for getting all sorts of privileges.

Boris should try it to break free of partygate!

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It is the new bad back, I bet there are some companies who are terrified about sacking someone who MIGHT be using mental health as an excuse to have long periods of time off work. There is always going to be a need to support those with real issues but i also think there will be those playing the game.