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With 85% of the questionnaires in, I am fairly certain whatever the final 15% of them contains, it isn't going to change the outcome much.
If they have 85% of the questionnaires in already, it should be relatively easy to publish full July figures that quickly, because they can collate the figures as they receive the questionnaires.

In fairness, all the report is saying is that we are seeing a sharp drop during a period of uncertainty. Both sides said we would have a period of uncertainty if we chose to leave the EU. Businesses are citing Brexit as the cause purely because they don't know how they are going to be affected when we leave the EU, so are less likely to invest a lot of money, at least until the uncertainty is resolved.

We may or may not have had problems had we chosen to remain, but businesses would have been more confident to invest as they would have had at least a vague idea of what was going on.

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The people supplying the data won't have full up-to-date data themselves.

As can be seen from the graph, this PMI has been on a downward trend for a couple of years. It also fluctuates wildly from month to month. It dropped dramatically just before the 2012 Olympics, however GDP shot upwards.

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We'll find out soon enough if the predictions of a recession are true or not. No point arguing about it at the moment. I would say that many analysts seem to think it is but this is one of those things that will be proven right or wrong.

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Everyone's trying to create a juicy story out of something before the facts are properly known. The veracity of the data doesn't or the context doesn't seem to matter as much as creating something to fill the pages and airwaves with, much of it pure speculation...

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With 85% of the questionnaires in, I am fairly certain whatever the final 15% of them contains, it isn't going to change the outcome much.

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Not sure how they can publish full July figures that quickly.

Remember Stats are just that.

Not fully as there is only 85% but it gives them a good idea from those 6oo firms. Ask another 600 firms and you would get a different answer.

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It has never been denied even by us leavers there will be a mini recession. The then Chancellor said 2 quarters and that sounds about right. However, he also said it would be immediate which is bunkum. Yes he did and his argument was why plunge ourselves deliberately into a mini recession?

The point is that it's not going to be the doom and gloom predicted. They're not investing because it's a bad thing, they are waiting to see how things go with the talks. The delay of A50 is going to cause more uncertainty and may even push any recession into 3 or even 4 quarters. That's not the fault of we who voted leave, its the fault of not invoking A50 when Cameron himself said he'd do it straight away.

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That's not how polling works - a representative cross-section are polled, not just random companies...

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The easiest way to get a representative cross-section is to ask random companies. If this isn't representative you just add more random samples.

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Believe that if you like. They asked all the companies directly effected by leaving the EU I bet.

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You need to look up 'confirmation bias'.... ;)

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Why would they do that?.

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Have they found Diana?

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I wish the express were leavers, as in they'd leave Diana alone, leave maddy alone etc

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There is only one place for that newspaper and we all know where that is...

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Brexiter annoyed by people pointing out that thing they were told would happen ‘is happening’ :D

Hat tip to Carl...

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Very kind of you to doff your cap, Sir.

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To get the result they want. You can do a lot with stats if you ask the right people and questions.

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Well that's all right then. God's in His Heaven and all is well. Are we still going to get this recession or not?

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Unfortunately, I have no garden rubbish to burn.

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They are only cutting these figures because of uncertainty. What they don't realise is when we grow more than they say, we will look good and it will only prove voting leave was the right thing to do.

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The link was to a comedy site - it's not a real story....

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lol

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Where are you all hiding? This thread seams dead.

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There's not a lot to say right now.

However to help things out a bit, how about a story on how we could join the EEA on a Norway type deal and get an emergency break on immigration, a bit like the one we already had.

Wouldn't be as good a deal as the current one, mind.

Another one to help conversation is that, even if Article 50 were invoked, it can be withdrawn.

Have at it.

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After all the build up to the referendum and then the result l think most want to get away and have some sun and relaxation with their families and friends and not hear another obfuscating politician for a little while..:)

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Indeed. We'll have at least 2 years for argument and recriminations once the economic picture is clearer and A50 has been invoked, so a moment of pause is just fine. :)

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Before anymore debate we need to see some action rather then the continual tit for tat amongst both sides.

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There is a good article here about the vote and what the coming consequences might be: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n15/john-la...r/brexit-blues

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Most of us don't want a Norway style deal only remainers would be happy with that what leavers want is no more money going from the UK to the EU, no more freedom of movement and no EU involvement in our internal affairs. If that means no access to the single market so be it we will develop trade elsewhere there is a vast amount waiting for us and more countries looking to develop trade with us then we'd lose in the medium to long-term. Short term yes we will take a hit but we will recover this country is more then able to survive outside the EU and the single market despite what the trendy doom sayers constantly repeat and a lot of them are just being selfish worried more about their financial investments then the real good of the UK.

Getting sick and tired of the constant talking down of the UK by a sizable group who know damn well that they are part of the problem, have more faith in your country and it's people most of whom have far less in material things but more faith in the ability if this country to succeed.

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How do you know what leavers want, what you mean is you know what you want and don't try and tell us the deal on offer is what remainers want because I'm one of them and I said over and over this was the worst option available

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35801633-post144.html

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35...-post1444.html

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I said most not all and clearly most don't want freedom of movement and as it was made clear we couldn't have access to the the single market unless we had freedom of movement clearly most people knew when they cast their vote and were happy to forego the single market. As to my comment on mainly remainers wanting the Norway style deal well they have been the only one's talking about it now being the best option so maybe get off your high horse a bit.

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No you didn't you clearly stated only remainers would be happy with that. What leavers want etc so maybe try reading all of your own posts and not just the first line, a bit and what's becoming more clear each day is exactly how little people knew on the day of the vote but then that's how the kipper money man liked it what with his people are sick of facts comment.

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Well I haven't heard any leavers opting for a Norway style deal either only time I've heard it talked about as a "best option" is by remainers so yes that's the overriding impression I've got and isn't that how we form opinions. Also hasn't taken you long to go into "didn't know what they were voting for" mode and again all the people I know that voted leave were well aware of what their vote meant and why they were choosing leave so most did know full well what they were voting for. I'll be happy to read about leavers being happy to accept a Norway style deal and being happy to accept freedom of movement as you clearly have that information.

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As not being in a single market DOESN'T mean no access, would there be a huge difference? Any restrictions or tariffs work BOTH ways. We can impose them on EU goods.

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Good idea - let's get in to a trade war with our biggest export market...

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I'd be happy to read about a Norwegian who was happy about the deal they got.

I wonder how many people you know, 1.2 million or less

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7113336.html

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My point is why would the EU want a trade war with us in the first place? If they did, we can respond in kind. What big difference is there between the EU single market and tariff and restriction free trading?

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:tu:

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Exactly. Far too much credence is being given to access to the "single market", mostly by sour grapes remainers. I'm sure we can come to an equable arrangement with the EU that involves minimum tariffs, if any.

Remember that although the EU trade is around 45% of our exports, it is less than 7% of our economy, even if that fell substantially it would not be disasterous as we'll be making up with increased trade elsewhere. Just look at the non-EU countries queueing up to do bi-lateral trade deals with us.

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I hope serious thought is being given to our services especially financial, as it is one of our core strengths and that can't be stated enough, try as we might, we cannot match prices on manufacturing with other countries simply because as the 5th largest economy we also have an expensive cost of living, we can't match the likes of China or India and it would be futile to try.

We need to secure our future in the financial sector. I am concerned that France or Germany will snaffle up that and lock us out. Something to think about.

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If France or Germany could easily do it, they would have done so long ago. A lot of the service sector will be internal to each country and relatively local to the area. Little point in opening a Starbucks or a cleaning company etc.in a German town to serve customers in England.

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Perhaps, the 'passporting' issue is worrying though.

When I say Finance I am referring to our multi billion financial sector/banking/stock markets industry.

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You said "especially financial", meaning other services as well as the financial sector.

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http://londonfirst.co.uk/wp-content/...-June-2016.pdf Page 10

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We have a skilled manufacturing base and we can expand that but it will require the means in place to train the people to occupy the skills gaps where they appear and it shouldn't just be government funding it. There is plenty of life out there for us to establish and build trade with we have got used to being in the EU and in some ways over reliant on a market that hasn't always been in our best interests. More and more countries are approaching us for trade and that will continue.

That link to the independent means absolutely nothing hell on the day the result was announced the campaign against the vote started and despite all these claims of hordes of leave voters regretting their choice I haven't seen it the area around me or anywhere on the net. I'm not convinced plus while it's likely there are some leavers who would vote differently the same applies to some who voted remain so means nothing.

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Most remainers in this thread have had blinkers on ,they simply cannot see past the single market .According to them if we leave the single market we will have complete financial meltdown when according to a lot of financial experts (some i linked to earlier in the thread) the single market has been nothing but a hindrance to our trade .We need to dump the single market all together.

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Stop worrying about the financial sector it won't be going anywhere and even if a few do disappear so what ,we rely on it too much anyway .Outside of the single market we will need to be a lot more reliant on manufacturing

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Manufacturing is 10% of our GDP, and is already 44% of our exports, and we would need to import the raw materials to manufacture more...

https://www.eef.org.uk/campaigning/c...ts-and-figures

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The financial sector won't want to be getting any more entwined with EU rules, regulations and bureaucracy that it absolutely has to. It's no accident that Paris and Frankfurt can't compete with London.

I really can't see many fat cat bankers wanting to relocate to Paris in a hurry... :erm:

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Not a problem

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Oh, OK then...

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You are funny, a million plus people regretting their vote means nothing and if you listened to the radio pre and post vote you'd know exactly how ignorant a lot of people were on the day, in your area or not.

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We won't even notice it going, when departments close over here their replacements will open in Europe and that'll be where new departments open to and that's not even going into trading in euros or bank hqs having to be situated in an eu city. Still no one likes bankers anyway....

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The problem is the banking sector. This is largely electronic, therefore the companies can locate their offices in any country with little or no impact on trading. HSBC has their world headquarters in London, but they could just as easily operate from Frankfurt, Paris or any other city. In fact, if the government introduces restrictions on free travel with europe and they can't find enough qualified staff here, they may be tempted to move their headquarters, with the loss of tens of thousands of jobs.

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Your quoting a media piece as proof tell me when the media suddenly became trustworthy and you say I'm funny that figure of 1.2 million is absolutely meaningless as there is zero proof to back it up. I'm sure there are those who voted leave but if they had the chance would vote remain but that also applies to people who voted remain who'd now vote leave and that's meaningless as well because we had the vote and the result is done. Shouting about some people voting leave being ignorant is also stupid how about all the people who voted remain based on this year's trip to Ibiza or mobile roaming charges, there are lazy and idiotic people in every vote this country holds but why all of a sudden it's become a reason for a second vote is ridiculous.

Everyone was so sure remain would win the vote hell I was one of them I just hoped it would be close enough to keep the issue alive but I watched as the results filed in and was gobsmacked when leave won. The response since the vote has been pathetic and the insults and insinuations thrown at leave voters is equally pathetic it's done and dusted now it's time to get behind it or go find a corner somewhere to sulk and shut up.

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They'd only do that if the other additional restrictions they'd be subject to in the Eurozone were going to have less of an impact on their business and profits. Given the EU talk about restricting and taxing banks plus the onerous employment rules they're not going to be heading east any time soon.

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Umm not sure, but just in case anything is aimed in my direction. I voted Leave, but I do welcome debate.

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No I'm quoting a piece from a market research company, do you ever read anything past the first line, here's a link to their results, I'm sure you won't class that as proof either preferring the old tried and trusted people you know in your area criteria

http://ourinsight.opinium.co.uk/surv...ferendum-world

And at least those people that voted based on trivial stuff like roaming charges based their vote on truth rather than lies peddled on a bus

Funnily enough that's the result I wanted to. Why's it time to shut up, because you say so. Nigel wasn't going to if the vote was reversed he was quite clear on that

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/rememb...endum-5963900/

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Yes because opinion poll company's are always right they never get things wrong do they and opinion company's deliver the results a client wants lots of ways to tilt the results wording of the questions, demographics targeted and method of approach all contribute heavily to the answer you get. And yes I did read past the first line and as your more interested in being superior take it I'll just agree with whatever because it just isn't worth it anymore.

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Bwhahaha you're so predictable and I thought it a fair question as you misquoted you're own post preferring to use the first line of it earlier and then started a media rant when a few lines down it actually states the article is based on market research results, never mind that though, of you go to your corner for a sulk

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Indeed debate should not suddenly be curtailed whether people voted leave or stay in the referendum as l am sure most of us can debate like reasoned rational adults.

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Looks like interest rates will be moving next week.

Seems for their flaws these PMI surveys are taken pretty seriously by those who make the decisions.

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This is also interesting.

The possibility that we may end up with something that doesn't really please anyone.

For myself I have no idea how she can promise no border controls between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, other than the obvious.

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A last post before I try and focus on work again - Article 50 can be unilaterally rescinded by the UK.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit...50-work-2016-7

I know I said in the past that that would be that when it's served, no way back, but I was wrong as indeed many people have been. I apologise to you guys for the misinformation.

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We didn't have border controls with Eire for Irish Nationals pre EU so it is possible.

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yes when pre EU it was just an Irish border except in todays world the border will be with the EU so you will need to take that into account

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Key words 'pre EU'.

Rather makes taking back control and ending free movement pointless if you have zero border controls with an EU state that's obviously still within the free movement area.

Indeed Ireland would be wise when we exit to join Schengen. We were the main reason they didn't.

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Ireland staying out of Schengen is their only hope of retaining the common travel area with the UK. The thing about free movement that causes trouble in the UK is not the fact that EU nationals come here without let or hindrance, it's that they can come, settle and work. I see no problem with an Eire outside Schengen (and therefore running passport checks on incomers) having an open border with the North, as EU citizens passing into Northern Ireland will no longer have the automatic right to take up a job when they arrive there (or when they cross to mainland GB and rock up anywhere else).

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I think I'm going to faint ;).

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Sit down my dear and have a cup of tea.:)

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Calm down dear ;) ,i think this was posted a few pages back and it wasn't you that said there was no way back ,the EU said there was no way back once triggered ,you and everyone else was simply repeating what they said

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There where a lot of ignorant prats voting ,a few on here using the referendum as a protest vote to start with :rolleyes:

It would be interesting to have an up to date poll to see how many would vote differently now things have settled down .Immediately after the vote the FTSE was nose diving and the media where predicting Armageddon ,now the public realise that nothing has actually changed and is not likely to for some time they might well poll differently to the one you link to .

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Whether they travel east, west, north or south, we can't afford to lose them. As people keep saying, Europe isn't the only continent with countries in. Thanks to the worldwide comms networks, Banks don't necessarily need to have physical facilities where they trade, but they do need to have physical facilities in countries where they can get an adequate supply of capable staff. Remember, banks don't only need bankers.. They need staff from all different financial backgrounds. They also need top notch technical staff.

This is actually the problem a lot of tech startups are expecting. Britain is not producing enough people that are in the various computer fields. That problem is, IMO, mostly caused by a lack of adequate funding for university and college courses from the government.

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I think the reaction of the markets suggest they expect the Government to screw over the Leave voters. Either a Norway deal or some other fudge. The (sensible) decision not to invoke Article 50 creates an interest dilemma now of if we invoke it if the terms of any deal become clear.

Let's say no Norway option. It's 'hard Brexit'. Does May invoke Article 50?

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Correct and we won't be losing them to Paris or Frankfurt.

I'm more than aware that fat cats like Fred the Shred and high flying dealers aren't the bulk of the banking industry, they're just the easily lambasted tip of the iceberg. My late wife worked in the back office for a number of top City firms for a good many years and so did I in another incarnation.

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I didn't mean to patronise. It's just that I think a lot of people think that banking is just multi millionaire bankers and counter staff. It's not. There are a lot of skilled people involved.

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They do and there are. ;)

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I think that's what has got my goat more than anything. I'm hardly a rabid remainer in fact my main reason for staying in was simply that it was to much effort and pain to leave, 10 years ago on the other hand and I was very much in leaves camp, then the damage hadn't all ready been done, anyway back to my goat having been got, I think this referendum campaign is possibly the worst display I've ever seen from our politicians, even worse than new labour new danger, it was the worse kind of lies, fear mongering and pure ignorance I've ever seen displayed. How anyone could be pleased or proud to have been part of either campaign is beyond me and sadly this could well be the politics of the future, I'd rather go back to punch and Judy.

You might be right about the poll, however if rbs follow through with their plans for charging negative interest on accounts it might even go up higher though especially if others follow suit

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My other half for one worked for all the major city banks and institutions without making millions, sadly for me

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I fully agree with you The Daddy the entire campaign from both sides was absolutely pathetic threats on one side lies and misinformation on the other and both indulging in scare mongering giving those who were truly undecided very little to help them make an informed choice. I tried much as I could to avoid either campaign for the last two months of it and my belief from before any of it started determined my vote as I think it did for many. It was not a high point of our politics and if there is any plus to come out of it surely things can only improve because god help us all if they get worse.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36903164

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

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couple of good points there. Not convinced with the Norwegian model though. They still have freedom of movement though they have the break and the whole point is to ditch FoM.

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All good news but the next 2 quarters will be the tell .Maybe May should build on that confidence and signal an end to austerity measures.

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I think you're right, maybe not as blunt as that, but she or Hammond should start drip feeding good news to keep things ticking.

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More good news...

https://www.theguardian.com/business...-growth-figure

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I actually don't think we really need the single market. We can sell our services to other countries like Australia, New Zealand, Canada, India for example. Services are not the real problem nor is manufacturing, it's training our own to do same.

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Other Countries like China make raw materials and it would probably work out cheaper in the long run to import from there than the EU as the materials would be cheaper anyway.

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TheDaddy said: You are funny, a million plus people regretting their vote means nothing and if you listened to the radio pre and post vote you'd know exactly how ignorant a lot of people were on the day, in your area or not.

These people expressing regret are nervous of what may or may not happen. I, for one, have no regrets of my vote to leave because myself and others saw what was coming in 1975 and voted out feel vindicated. We also knew a leave vote had it's potential problems because we have become far too dependent on the EU and were losing the ability to think for ourselves and make our own decisions. This is where the fear of a leave vote comes in. Can we survive untied from Mother EU's apron strings? Of course we can. Countries are queuing up to trade with the UK and any loses incurred by leaving the EU will easily be recouped by trading with these countries. We do NOT need the single market, we never needed it. We were doing well without it until the Unions tried to hold the country to ransom and we lost a lot of trade. Had that not happened, we would not have needed it.

I personally do not know anyone who regrets voting leave and they, like myself, say we should never have joined in the first place.

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So Lloyds are shedding another 3000 jobs and closing 200 branches and the nice thing about it is that it has nothing whatsoever to do with the vote to leave the EU. It leads me to believe that these Companies who threatened job losses should we vote to leave were going to shed jobs anyway and were looking for something to blame it on other than their own incompetence or the low, and possible lowering, of interest rates.

Why worry about our Services industry? Are the EU countries the only ones we can sell them to? I think not. I'm sure China and India for example would be only too happy to buy them.

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There is always a way back but it would be the biggest mistake we could ever make. We would have to accept the Euro, Schengen and full FoM to name but 3 things but there Is a way back.

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Originally Posted by martyh View Post
There where a lot of ignorant prats voting ,a few on here using the referendum as a protest vote to start with

It would be interesting to have an up to date poll to see how many would vote differently now things have settled down .Immediately after the vote the FTSE was nose diving and the media where predicting Armageddon ,now the public realise that nothing has actually changed and is not likely to for some time they might well poll differently to the one you link to .

A protest against what? Cameron? The Tory Government? You do that through the ballot box. I've never understood this statement of using the referendum as a protest vote. It's a hell of a risk to take especially if you believe we should remain in the EU, surely?

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I think a lot more would vote leave. The ones who were cowed by project fear would realise that the nightmare scenario peddled by the remainers was mostly fiction and life would continue outside the rotting EU corpse.

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Indeed. Experience has taught me we should never have been in but there you go, we were now we have to get ourselves out of the mess and we will.

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I know totally bizarre .There seems to be a general lack of understanding of how our election and voting system works which quite frankly is shameful

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Indeed it is. What do they teach them at school these days I wonder?

WW2, British imperialism and the EU amongst other things

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBq1dZGrR3c

:D

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They all look like a bunch of nutters to me.

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It's satire. Again. ;)

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Wish they'd get a life and accept it like I had to with Scotland.

What's worrying is this 'hate crime'. I'm not sure it's accelerated so much but that more of it is being reported since the referendum. I know this because my wife is English and we lived in Edinburgh a while and she had a hard time with Anti-English sentiment from the family from hell upstairs.. This is why I live in North East England now. What I'm trying to point out to those who say it's a new thing is that it is not. It's always been there and always will be.

Now me, I get called Jockanese down here and I love it. Doesn't worry me in the least but it's racist all the same. I ain't about to go running to the Polis to report it.

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52% leave; 48% remain
5+2 = 7
4+8 = 12
7 < 12
therefore we must have a second referendum.
:D

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You seem to have a sense of humour blind spot on this issue going by missing the satire.

I wish you'd accept that people are allowed to be unhappy with the result and, in a democracy, are under no obligation to accept it but we can't have everything. I'm with Ian Hislop on this one I'm afraid and looking at my LinkedIn and social media I'd like to think I have a life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyyOyoeqKfM

If you want an echo chamber where everyone is delighted with the referendum result and consider everything suggesting any negative connotations to the result as being propaganda there are plenty of them around.

Yours,

A Whinging Metropolitan Loser

;)

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Considering they are all actors in a satirical sketch (as Igni said), not sure what your point is...

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It's over now time for us all to calm down and I've suffered supposed hate crime in the UK many years before any referendum but didn't bother about it or even think about reporting it there have always been a minority that take any excuse to exercise their thug side.

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It's just the one bloke isn't it?

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Having been in the same situation I do understand it. I was on the losing side in the Scottish Independence referendum and have to accept the result. Or are you advocating that Scotland should have another referendum on independence just because some can't accept the result?

It seams to me that it is you who do not understand here. You do not need a second referendum on the EU. The Government are under no obligation to invoke Article 50 as a referendum is only a guideline and is not legally binding. Therefore, you should be concentrating your efforts on the Government stating your reasons why they should not invoke A50 and not wasting your time demanding a second referendum which is not going to happen. In both cases, can you imagine the trouble in this country if the Government ignored the result of the referendum or refused to invoke A50?

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My point is that they are playing out what remainers are saying and wanting. You must have heard the saying, "There is many a true word spoke in jest."

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A Play on Maths. Very good.

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I am not demanding a second referendum. I am aware it's not going to happen.

I will remind you that the petition that was submitted was actually produced by someone in favour of Brexit.

People didn't just get a life and get over it after 1975. Don't see why it should be any different in 2016 just because the result went the other way.

No idea what you mean regarding trouble that would happen. We will see I guess.

Funny how people are obsessed with democracy suddenly having just had the least representative election in living memory, having an unelected second chamber still, and in many cases having voted away the most representative election they got to participate in.

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I see it as my fundamental right to be able say I told you so at all and every opportunity..we do still have free speech provided it isn't a hate crime..

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Where is the evidence that they didn't "get over it" at the time. The EEC was nothing compared to the EU today. That is where the differences arise. How many who voted yes in 1975 had in mind a picture of what the EU is today?

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None of us. They didn't want us to either and we've been dragged into it and refused a choice by successive governments ever since. Well until their hand was forced, resulting in liberation day last month that is... :)

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And who thought in 1975 we would end up with the political and global situation that we have now..hindsight is often used to judge actions of the past.:rolleyes:

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Well I don't know about you but my mates and I spent many an hour contemplating the cold war and nuclear armageddon. The future didn't look all that bright then, in fact it looked MAD...

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The point is that it was right and proper to have a referendum now, because the basis of the 1975 one has changed. The 2016 didn't overturn the 1975 one as they were based on different questions.

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Agree with your last paragraph entirely. I've always been in favour of a second elected house and abolishing the Lords. I am also in favour of Proportional Representation when it comes to General Elections As we have a Government 3/4 didn't want it seems the right way to go now.

By trouble, I mean there would be riots by Brexiters if the Government ignored the referendum and didn't invoke Article 50.

Actually most of us did after 1975 but that's history now. I feel vindicated now we have voted to leave as I did in 1975 but there will always be unhappy people.

Petition, I didn't even look at it.

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Exactly where do we have freedom of speech? I can think of loads of examples where we don't. Oh sure, I can say what I like as long as no one else hears it and takes offence just because I say 'black' instead of referring to the country they come from.

I was told off for using the word ****** and I wasn't even referring to gay people I was referring to the food Brain's ******s.

Sorry not trying to get round the filter. I wasn't aware that word was swearing. It was an example of where we do not have freedom of speech as some think.

There is a lot we can't say for fear of offending someone so I ask again, how do we have freedom of speech? Freedom of speech is a thing of the past. Yes I can say things like F the Queen or the Government but I'm sure if a Polis heard me he'd pull me up for it.

You can't even insult someone now without risking Court Action.

You are very much mistaken if you believe we still have freedom of speech in this country friend. It just isn't as bad as it is in other countries yet.

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I did. That's why I voted against in 1975. Anyone should have realised it wouldn't stop just at an economic community. I am still amazed to this day we voted 2 to 1 to stay in.