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link

:rofl:

In related news:
The liberal mindset seems to be a form of mental illness :confused:

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And remember these are supposed to be the "nice" ones, as they are meant to be fleeing the danger from the nasty ones left behind.

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@ Ramrod - I dare say Law and the likeminded luvvies will stick to places like Notting Hill in future, where they can pontificate about poverty in the comfort they're so used to.

Meanwhile:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35686104

and:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35683517

That'll go down well.

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Many more months of this madness to come.Tear gas today,bullets tomorrow.

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... and worse I fear. This really can't be allowed to carry on but stopping the tide is going to be very difficult and dealing with those already in the EU will be a massive problem, especially when decisions have to be made about sending some of them home. At that point expect big trouble and a whole lot of disappearances, social disorder etc. The longer this goes on, the harder it will be to tackle and the more extreme the measures required to do so will be.

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Come on that's a bit unfair, the guy who got stabbed was very sad about it

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meanwhile its all sunshine and lollipops in that Europe

DAY THE EU FELL APART: Leaders rip chunks out of each other on worst day of migrant chaos
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...Merkel-Austria

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Meanwhile the Calais camps are being dismantled by the French: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35693882

Although the BBC is saying they are being moved to containers on another part of the site the Channel 4 news item I saw on this last week said they're also being moved around the country.

This combined with the plan to extend the tunnel to the terminal itself, removing the open gaps that migrants are trying to break though, should quell the immediate problem at our own borders.

God knows what the long term solution to the amount of migrants turning up at Europe's borders are though. Schengen breaking down is a good thing in my mind. I don't see why you can't have visa-less travel across Europe whilst simply having border controls inbetween the nations.

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Because that's too simple? We're dealing with Eurocrats here remember and they don't like admitting their ludicrous open borders, single state/currency, one size fits all policy is fundamentally flawed. They're like lemmings singlemindedly bringing about their own demise.

People make me laugh when they talk about border checks as some sort of personal affront. Given the state of the world we're living in the notion of free movement is more deluded now than ever it was. It makes me laugh that you have to go through all sorts of checks to get on a plane here yet a terrorist can gain entry into the EU via some porous border in the East, then travel to virtually anywhere in the EU without necessarily being stopped and asked a few questions. How much easier do we want to make it for criminals, terrorists and sundry undesirables etc. to ply their trade?

What people need to realise here is that the effects of this migration tidal wave are going to be irreversible. The only question is to what extent and the larger the numbers, the bigger the problems will be. We've seen this in parts of the UK which have seen huge and rapid migrant influxes. Those places have been changed forever and nobody was asked what they thought about it. The same is now happening in large parts of Europe. The Eurocrats don't give a damn about what mere people think or the 'collateral damage' their policies cause to communities, towns, cities or even nations. They lurch from one crisis to another as Europe implodes still in complete denial about the damage they've done.

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The day that this government say, that we should take more Migrants, they should all resign.

This country cannot take anymore. Its now getting ridiculous. And when you think the Migrants, that are causing the aggro in Calais. Want to come to the UK.

This country, should take a leaf out of France' stance, they are getting rid of the camps. And they don't care what other countries think.

In fact isn't there a large Migrant Community in Dover. I may be wrong.

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Well, the NHS are desperate for more migrants, as a result of Government policy. Few are prepared to train to be a professional for that long for low pay ( compared to other professions) in this country any longer.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-35667939
If you want an NHS you need migrants.

We've also become dependent on them to do the lowly jobs none of us can be arsed to do but depend on (e.g carers, cleaners). Not saying that's right, just the way our idle society has developed.

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Think I disagree with you on this one, we as a nation have done those jobs before, we managed quiet well before Roland from Poland and his pals turned up. I'm quite possibly facing redundancy and the other half was all worried the other night and questioned why I wasn't overly bothered, it's because if push came to shove I'd do pretty much anything rather than sign on, sorry to sound like a cliché but the welfare nanny state has become a way of life for many not a saftey net

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35706238

Anyone thinking there's a perfect storm brewing?

Meanwhile:

... Yet more evidence of the type of **** who're hammering at our front door.

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So not due to destabilizing the middle east by getting involved with Iraq, Libya and supplying stuff Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria, no it's all Russia's fault.

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Nope he's not saying that. He's saying the Russians are taking advantage of the situation and that's what he's there to do - identify risks to the west.

I don't think anyone seriously thinks our glorious leaders are blame free with regard to Iraq etc. There's been vast amounts of criticism at all levels.

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The arch war-monger still roams free when he should be at the end of a rope, worth £60 million I last heard. :mad:

If the dictators and despots of the Middle East had been left to their own devices would we now be submerged by floods of desperate people?

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You're not wrong heero, but any country or federacy? that purposely has non existent border control would be asking for trouble at some point in time.

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Crazy thing is our timing in removing them, if we removed them when they were terrorising their neighbours, mixing with terrorists or really going to town suppressing their own people it might have been different but to act when we did was only ever going to lead to disaster as there was no rational reason to act when we did, no George, that man tried to kill my daddy isn't a reason for all the chaos either

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Well in yet another bombshell of totally unexpected migration related news:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35719489

Should they be moved into high cost accommodation then? Leave the lesser accommodation for mere citizens?...

These are of course just official figures for those registered for asylum and almost certainly bear no relation to the reality when it comes to the number of illegal migrants located around the UK. In fact many asylum claims only happen years after migrants have entered illegally and finally been caught so God only knows how many are in the pipeline.

With net 'official' immigration at well over 300k pa it's really not surprising that there's a shortage of many things, including decent housing. It's just a pity that those who opened the floodgates and told us it would all be a significant net benefit to the UK didn't put in place the services and infrastructure to cope with the resulting deluge, let alone think about the inevitable social consequences. Shame that eh?...

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A raid on a home near us discovered even more illegal immigrants living with an asylum seeker. The third lot I think. And probably not the last.

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Well let's be honest Taf, we all know this has been going on for years and still is. It's rife but nobody in power ever wants to admit it. Maybe that's why migration numbers are obtained using random interviews and small samples at our ports. Who'd want us to find out that 300k pa was an underestimate?...

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Raids on just one street full of ethnic stores and food outlets found dozens of illegals, most of whom claimed asylum immediately. They should have come back for the next shift and caught more, as there appeared to be no lack of manpower after the raids.

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Yes you have to wonder about the naivety or stupidity or agenda of those who refuse to accept that this is widespread and the numbers are large. The authorities clearly can't cope with the relatively small numbers they're catching so there's little incentive to try to find more. Better to give the illusion of taking action when the truth would be embarrassing in the extreme. Illegals can't be removed unless their papers can be found and their country of origin agrees to accept them back. If they can argue they'd be at risk by being sent home they won't be, even if that risk is entirely due to illegal activities they've committed here. The fact that resorting to illegality could be used by some a means by which to avoid deportation says it all. The 'system' is utterly unfit for purpose.

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GERMANY BANS SAUSAGES: Pork banned in cafes and schools to 'not offend refugees'

SCHOOLS and canteens in Germany have BANNED pork from their menus over fears of offending Muslim migrants, a top politician has revealed.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...uslim-migrants

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If it's true, then I'm offended. :(

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Another source

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35741494

Turkey in the EU? Another great reason to get out.

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Somali Migrant Who Molested Three Girls Avoids Jail, Blames ‘Cultural Differences’#
The mind boggles :erm:

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Why is he still here, why on earth are we accepting his cultural differences rather than just putting him on the next boat home

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He had been here 2 years before that, so how did these "cultural differences" suddenly surface?

Ship him off to Ethiopia. After all we can't interfere in his "right to family life", can we?

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Indeed a big "if", seeing as none of these canteens or schools seem to have come forward to identify themselves, make an official statement or confirm the story. I mean, it's not like a politician would make an unverifiable statement....

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How did you find that out?

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Alternatively you think they'd be falling over themselves to tell the world it isn't true, sometimes silence speaks volumes :shrug:

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Well yes "they" would if "they" genuinely exist. You'd think with a subject as emotive as this they would be falling over themselves to back it up with some kind of evidence of it happening.

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The schools and cafes exist Russ we can be sure of that, what's going on in them is what's in question and I'm relatively confident if it weren't happening to some degree the proprietors or head teachers wouldn't be able to wait to tell us it wasn't true. On the other hand the people that create/spread these kind of stories don't need evidence to back it up, in fact they'd try and avoid it as evidenced famously with winterville.

Nice new medal btw :tu:

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Another 'net benefit to our society' who's clearly integrated well, is deserving of the state's full support and will in all likelihood continue 'contributing' for as long as we're lucky enough to have him in the UK. Aren't we lucky...

Now if he were a BBC radio DJ he'd probably have his entire life turned upside down and be banged up for a good few years...

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Linky

Far right backlash or wurst case scenario? :D

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Have you not realised yet, we have to learn to understand and accept all of their cultural differences. They don't have to understand or accept any of ours. It's a one way street.

An YES PEOPLE EATING PORK AND NONE HALAL MEAT IS A CULTURAL DIFFERENCE. Maybe some should learn to understand and accept it.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35760534

More razorwire in open Europe...

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They admit in private what they cover up in public!
Leaked Police Document: More Migrants Means More Crime

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No, no, no! It's all lies propagated by swivel eyed loonies.

Thankfully it's all unravelling at last but so much damage is already done. Does anyone outside Eurolalaland really think that failed migrants are going to queue up to be sent anywhere? How long before someone or other throws themselves off a boat in protest? How long before someone dies resisting their removal and the pressure's on to abandon such a callous policy? How long before the anti-removal riots start? Wonder if Donald Tusk has any answers...

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Yvette Cooper doesn't :D

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........and more news from celebrityland: link

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LOL that was funny, these people should know when to stfu instead of trying to be popular and edgy.

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So no evidence then?

A bit like the asylum seeker who was allowed to stay because he had a cat?

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I heard her doing the same thing a few weeks back on the Daily Politics IIRC. They do like to talk the talk don't they. Makes you wonder what sort of idiots vote for people like that.

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My Turkish friend was in one shop when it was raided, and the first thing those being questioned gave as a reply to the translator was "I want to claim asylum". His work colleague saw the same thing further down the road in a halal butcher shop.

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Yep, I've seen similar in countless fly-on-the wall documentaries concerning the workings of the borders agency. These people know only too well that there are various ways by which to avoid or at least delay being detained, let alone removed. They freely exploit the weaknesses inherent in the system which allows people to be detained, then released and told to report weekly only to abscond again. If they claim to be under 16 they know they can't be detained and must be released into social services care until age testing can be arranged during which time they're free to abscond. Those caught and successfully removed do, IMHO, represent the very small tip of a very large iceberg. The authorities have no idea of the scale of illegal migration into the UK and nor do they want to know.

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The problem is none of this is verifiable. Illegals immediately claiming asylum upon capture, schools and cafes banning pork etc. Obviously all these stories are possible and may well be true however there's a huge lack of verifiable evidenced but plenty of rumour/supposition and all too often that's enough to get people believing. The irony is these viewpoints would be greatly strengthened if proof could be provided.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not necessarily pro-immigrant or anti-borders. In fact I agree there's a huge problem with immigration being hidden behind political correctness and 'hand-wringing'. I just see too many 'right wingers' expressing negative, aggressive and yes sometimes racist views whilst at the same time witnessing far too many 'left wingers' simply ignoring and being blind to legitimate opposition views and automatically taking the side of who/what they consider to be oppressed/disadvantaged. For either of these 'types', evidence is rarely needed other than "I've heard they did such-and-such the other day".

Plus if you're not 100% in one camp they automatically consider you 100% in to the other.

Complete madness.

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I have seen several TV programmes where this happened on camera, both in places of employment and in the homes that were being raided. So being told it has happened yet again, by people who were witnesses I trust, does not surprise me at all.

Ditto reports in the media, though some outlets do have an axe to grind I don't deny.

The trouble is with those who deny it ever happened or is still happening. Burying your head in the sand does not make it go away, neither does hiding behind dogma and political leanings.

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Link
Why should there need to be special arrangements to serve pork? Cultural and religious beliefs go beyond just not eating pork, so if they were telling the truth, then monitoring would still be required. Eg Is the Lamb(Lamb & Chickpea Tagine with Couscous, Organic Wholemeal Lamb Lasagne), Beef(Beef & Vegetable Hotpot,Organic Wholemeal Spaghetti Beef
Bolognaise) , Chicken(Chicken Chow Mein with Noodles/Rice, Organic Chicken Dhansak with Rice) Halal, Kosher, or otherwise?

The special legal exemption for Halal and Kosher produce is based around CONSUMPTION, not PRODUCTION. It should only be allowed to be produced for those who require or want Halal/Kosher food. Otherwise it makes a mockery of the law.

Link
Link
OFFICIAL LINK.
Not verifiable?:confused::mad:

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So for Luton, an area with an established high Muslim population does it not make sense to tailor menus to the dietary requirements?

Indeed not verifiable. I didn't say I thought it doesn't happen but why did the German in question not provide verified evidence?

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The senior German politician had heard from various sources, so there was no single source.
Are the areas that have "banned" pork only serving vegan food? That would be the only real solution for them, as if they were merely catering for Muslim children other foods such as non-Halal Chicken also would be banned. The exemption for Halal Slaughter is based on the requirements of those CONSUMING it
Note ONLY, not ALSO. If they insist on only serving Halal, they can start up their own Halal only store. Places like Subway are for those visiting the area, eg working or shopping, and NOT usually for those just residing in the area. How many branches are in the middle of housing estates and nowhere near shopping areas or places of work?

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Which make zero difference to the fact he made an emotive statement without any evidence

'Banned' or 'removed' it?

You're now deciding who Subway's customers are?

They like any other company have to make location-based business decisions. If the majority of customers in their areas like their food a certain way then they'd be stupid to ignore that, thereby likely losing trade, just so they can make a public statement.

What they won't do is make certain outlets halal-only "in case it offends Muslims" and thereby drive away customers who object to that.

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I have no idea, do you?

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35772206

Is there no end to Merkel's arrogance and hypocrisy?

I seem to recall a certain German leader unilaterally welcoming a tidal wave of migrants into Europe not that long ago. Where was all that 'unity' then?

I think what we're seeing here is the inevitable result of a leader being in power too long and believing they're infallible.

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Reminder to invest in shares in razor wire companies. Demand is sure to be heavy. :D

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He had been given evidence by others, just not in a publishable form. He is the parliamentary group leader of the CDU, which is Merkel's party.

I suppose you think it that's just chance that pork has been removed from ALL meal options. Especially as the menu changes every few months. If their argument is that it reduces costs, then that explicitly says that it is a deliberate ban. Not only that, the non-pork meat has to be Halal or there is no cost savings and you might as well include pork anyway. Any special arrangements that would have to be made for pork would also have to be made for non-Halal chicken. The excuse given is a COMPLETE AND UTTER LIE.

Are all or even most of VISITORS(ie workers or shoppers) to an area, Muslim. Highly unlikely. Even if they are, they are unlikely to go to a Subway, Halal or otherwise. It is the franchisee insisting on it being Halal, IRRESPECTIVE of who the actual customers are. IT IS NOT the company making the decision.

The point is that there will be NO branches of Subway in a purely residential area. Therefore whatever the demographics of the area, it is immaterial, as the residents are NOT the potential customers.

The exemptions in law regarding animal slaughter are meant to be there because of the beliefs of the CONSUMERS. If it used as a production method for consumers that are non-Halal and non-Kosher, then having the law in the first place is meaningless, as ALL animal slaughter could use the Halal/Kosher method without the religious part.

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In fact, it is illegal to sell halal food to anyone whose religious belief does not require it. That law has been flaunted in the UK for years, yet it is still the law. If Subway is operating halal stores, then they are - or should be - for Muslims only.

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Didn't realise that. Was suspicious that it wasn't true.
Government Link
Surprised the Animal Welfare Lobby doesn't kick up a big fuss about it.

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I was listening to BBC World Service this morning and they interviewed a number of migrants in Greece about the current situation and the new and illegal EU 'plan' to send people back to Turkey. Surprise, surprise, one migrant spokesman said that people would commit suicide or throw themselves off the boats if that were to happen. Already, those groups who're not included in the 'acceptable refugee' category are taking matters into their own hands and disappearing off to take their chances elsewhere. Who on Earth seriously expects anyone to hang around waiting for months in abject conditions for the EU to remove them back to Turkey? What's Tusk going to do about that I wonder? The ineptitude is staggering and it's perfectly clear that the EU has no credible plan. As always they've been slow to react and disunited in both policy and action. Europe has consequently been presented with a migration flood which is irreversible and that's without the impending threat from countless thousands more migrants rapidly building up in North Africa. There's no plan to deal with that either so anyone wondering whether to stay in the EU or not ought to take on board the reality that sooner or later EU members are going to have to absorb huge numbers of migrants. Regardless of any 'agreements', the UK will be pressured to take its 'fair' share regardless of any problems we have dealing with existing asylum claims, unsustainable immigration levels and rapid population growth.

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The human rights lawyers will be all over this latest proposal like flies round s****.As has been stated on before on this thread they cannot control this tidal wave of people.This is going to be the picture at all border points in the eu(and possibly Calais)for the forseeable future.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/...6861578423.jpg

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So it's entirely possible that without citing verifiable examples he could be lying or exaggerating?

Don't you think something as emotive as that ought to be demonstrated as true?

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Where does the law say it's just for Muslims? None of the examples I can find state it's for them only.

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Try the post under chris'

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How can you prove what several people have said to you in conversations?

There are numerous PROVEN examples in this country, so doesn't that tend to suggest that his comments could be true.

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Doesn't say 'only'.

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So if enough people tell you something you believe it?

Could be, but he's referring to his own country.

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House of Commons Research briefing SN07108 on "Religious Slaughter of Animals".
Hansard record of House of Commons debate
There's your "ONLY".

Each individual incident is unlikely to be reported individually. It may not be explicit in nature, just a matter of pork mysteriously disappearing from menus, rather than a statement saying "pork has been banned" or as with Islington Council they could just LIE.

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Looks like things are hotting up for Merkel:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35796831

If she carries on with this madness the long term ramifications will be very serious indeed.

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The way that's worded 'the meat must be intended for consumption by Jews or Muslims' makes me think it's isn't illegal to sell halal meat to non-Muslims or Jews as long as you can reasonably show you intended to provide it for Muslims or Jews. So if you set up a halal butcher in a area with a high Muslim or Jewish population then you would meet that requirement even if end up selling halal meet to people who don't qualify.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35805010

This is what happens in the real world despite what the Eurocrats say. The idea that Greece's external border is somehow going to become the EU's version of the Berlin Wall is about as much of a joke as admitting them into the Euro was.

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Just in case people think that all these migrants are going to add to the workforce and productivity:
Two Thirds Of Arrivals Are ‘Basically Illiterate’

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I think he must be confused. The Beeb never stops reminding us how articulate and well educated these people are and how their grasp of other languages and liking for the culture is the reason they choose countries like Germany and the UK to break into.

I'm getting a tad fed up of people telling the rest of us what we should do to accommodate the world's poor and needy. Presenting them all as a net benefit to society irrespective of their skills, knowledge, background, political sympathies, criminal records, medical needs, mental health issues etc.

I've yet to hear of a single celebrity luvvie, politician or VIP who's put up a single migrant. What I have heard is those same people telling us we should do the right thing having done precious little themselves. Well I'd like our govt. to do the right thing by the people it serves before they start taking on the rest of the world's needy. I'd also like the usual suspects to either put up or shut up.

Now if any of that sounds like a rant to folks like Stop It then I'd ask them just how far their sympathy goes. A casual donation? A regular donation? Food? A significant sum? A bed? A room? More than one room? At what point do people trying, with increasing desperation, to force their way in become a threat as opposed to just people who need our help. No it's not a nice thought but I don't think there's a person here who'd significantly sacrifice the lifestyle of themselves and their dependants to help the migrants in Greece and elsewhere. Now if that's the case, what right should they have to try and dictate that Europe should take in even more refugees and migrants? So far as I'm concerned there's a great deal of hypocrisy about. It's all too easy to talk the talk whilst having no intention of walking the walk and it's no accident that those who talk the loudest deliver the least.

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:clap:

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Tad unfair, jude law gave migrants every penny he had on him when he met some...

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ironic that politicians say we cant afford to help the vulnerable already in this country yet propose bringing in more.

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Worth thinking about.

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Worth considering this to, hidden in the horrific tales of execution and torture is an almost throw away comment that they're taking ids to get into turkey.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...aqqa-ISIS.html

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Where should they go then?

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Straight to hell with a bit of luck

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:tu:

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If the super wealthy great and the good wanted to help migrants they could directly in any number of ways. What they seem to prefer doing is massaging their own egos and polishing their PR by appearing on charity fundraisers whilst leaving the real work and donating to ordinary people. It always amazes me that people cite city fat cats, entrepreneurs etc. as being by definition greedy when these same people seem to turn a blind eye to the left speaking but often voraciously wealth acquiring and tax avoiding actors, media personalities, musicians, football players or whatever. It's almost as if hero worship determines who they feel able to condemn.

The truth is that most of the people making most of the noise about taking in more migrants won't ever be directly affected to any significant degree by the influx they support. It's our own needy and vulnerable who pay the price not the sanctimonious hypocrites at the top of the pile who live in their private estates tucked well away from the real world and those they say they're so keen on helping.

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You mean politicians?

Wasn't some guy going to buy an island in the Med for refugees? Or was that just another PR exercise?

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Emma Thompson seems to have done quite a bit to be fair.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_T...#Personal_life

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Is she the woman who hates Britain?

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Yah.

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No I think you mean Merkel and it wasn't an island in the Med it was Greece.

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That's the way I'm seeing it too, especially as the most recent and easiest-found guidelines don't seem to feature the word "only". I don't really have much of a problem knowing food I eat is halal, it doesn't taste any different and when I'm that hungry the principles regarding whether or not the shop/restaurant should be preparing it for the majority or minority of its customers go out of the window - hunger comes first to be honest. And if they don't offer pork "in case it offends" etc I'll just go somewhere else, there are plenty of other places around here that sell bacon or sausages.

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Again, very vague. A politician saying what the government's position is, rather than stating an actual clear 'law'. If halal preparation was specifically and unequivocally for Muslim consumption 'only' you'd think it would be set out that way in some legal text. This not seemingly the case makes the interpretation quite ambiguous.

Again, verified numbers of examples seem very hard to come by which leaves people free to interpret the situation as either "Many places are removing (or banning if you want to be dramatic) pork from their menus" or "A few places are removing pork from their menus", depending on political leanings.

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Which is in the Med.

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The Law
The Welfare of Animals at the Time of Killing (England) Regulations 2015
Several councils have admitted to it. Islington gave the LIE that it was to avoid extra costs in deciding who shouldn't be given pork. The reason it is a lie is that the other meats(eg lamb, chicken) would also have to be Halal. It is not stated that they are Halal, therefore the claimed problem still exists. If it is all Halal then that must have been a requirement of the menu, thereby automatically banning pork.

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But is NOT an island.

It borders the Aegean Sea and Ionian Sea too but that wasn't the point.

Re: Unstoppable migration?
 

So that statement makes halal and schechita slaughter Illegal in the UK because it causes "unnecessary suffering"? Very badly worded law IMHO.

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But it has a lot of islands... in the Med ;)

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It sure does, but I'm not sure they can cope with the outcome of Merkel's madness and the migrants will need to head through the mainland to get elsewhere.

... and to think the Greeks already hated the Germans before their demise at the hands of the EU... ;)

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How is it badly worded? It says "in accordance with this Schedule". The Schedule goes on to specify the conditions for things like restraint, killing, and handling which would indicate what was "necessary".

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it says But slashing an animal's throat without first stunning it is, in my belief, inflicting unnecessary suffering.

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I don't see where the law forbids non-Muslims/Jews from being sold Halal/Kosher meat though. All it seems to cover is that such meat is only allowed to be produced if it's intended for Muslims and Jews which is obviously the case.

It doesn't state anywhere though that it can't be sold to anyone else though. Without a explicit law banning it I assume it's therefore legal.

Any Halal butcher could easily state they aim to serve Muslims but there is no legal requirement for them to refuse service to non-muslims nor check their religion anyway.

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Again, that's how I've been reading it.

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Could you imagine the uproar if they tried to?

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It would be the slaughterhouse that has the responsibility. German has a quota system so that it cannot be misused.

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I bet the quota is rising rapidly .

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Nearly One Third of People Arrested in UK Capital Not British

Bloody marvellous! :rolleyes:

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Although....

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rotflmao......that's a very silly statement.
Let's examine it:
One third of arrests appear to be of immigrants.
but: "It’s not that foreigners cause problems"

Russ, by all means take that statement at face value if you want to :D

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Well, considering 36.7% of the London population was foreign-born (according to the 2011 census), it would appear they commit less crime as a percentage than the British-born in London... ;)