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Dr Barclay,

I found this extract from your article published a year ago today to be, sadly, reflective of how so little has changed in certain regards in the intervening years.

"In October 1940, however, the forces defending Scotland received a major reinforcement – about 18,000 Polish soldiers, who had been evacuated from France in June. With the then commonplace British attitude to foreigners, Carrington at first wanted to use the Polish units merely to cut timber, but their value as well-trained, experienced and highly motivated troops soon became clear. They significantly improved the beach defences they had inherited in Angus and Fife, built far more effective pillboxes, and positioned them much better than their British colleagues had done. One British Home Defence infantry battalion revealingly described the Poles as “too keen”, perhaps reflecting the unfortunate British “amateur” disdain for the professional".

Plus ca change.

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Hi. Goodness! A whole year gone ...

Is the automatic assumption that " 'Johnny Foreigner' has nothing to teach us" as common as it was then, except amongst Euroscptics? I don't know - it's something I don't come across day to day. The RAF of course wouldn't listen to Polish pilots about their experience of fighting the Germans, until the Polish squadrons began to rack up the highest number of downed enemy aircraft in the Battle of Britain.

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Yes, it's strange that you never hear anyone say "Bloody foreigners, coming over here and playing a major contributory part in the fact that we won the Battle of Britain".

Purely coincidental, I'm sure.

Anyway, stay well sir. All the best to you & yours.

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I love that! Brilliant.

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Things are getting serious. Beaker Miliband took his jacket off.

"Miliband tries to talk Labour voters out of supporting Scottish independence Labour leader finds uncertainty among the party faithful as polls suggest swing to yes vote amid disillusion with pro-UK campaign.

Ed Miliband took his jacket off on arriving at a community centre in Motherwell on Friday. He had two battles on his hands: he had come to start a fightback against a resurgent Scottish independence campaign, and to secure a Labour victory in May next year."

The cardigan

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Me to, hubby as well don't know about my eldest son he is still undecided on this matter.

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Good old Salmond... http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1398596816

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That, ironically, actually appears to be quite an effective pro "yes" campaign poster.

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It reminds me of the parody Labour posters that The Guardian did for April Fool's Day. I think Labour should have used them myself.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2014/04/6.jpg

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The CWU has decided to bully the SNP now.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-...itics-27179377

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Mr Angry,may I ask if you have ever read "The Battle of Britain," if so,you'd be forgiven for thinking England won it.
Before the Little Englander brigade get on their high horses again,go read it.

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Since 1986,there's been 15 Celtic fans murdered here in Scotland,2 Rangers fans,I wonder how bitter the Rangers fans are,maybe it stems from being anti Catholic.

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That's complete and utter nonsense. And also quite dangerous lies as well.

It also has precisely nothing to do with the debate on Scottish independence.

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To be fair, it's in line with his previous postings - biased, poisonous propaganda....

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Very true.

In other news the first minister will be giving a speech in Bruges today telling the EU why they should welcome iScotland with open arms and ignore their own rules and protocols.

Maybe at the same time he will explain why he's gone from terming Sterling as a "millstone round out necks" to being adamant that Scotland will keep it in the event of a yes vote.

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Does article 48 not allow them to join?

Probably something to do with the fact that, in keeping with the Memorandum, everything is up for negotiation once the referendum outcome is known.

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They have suggested that article 48 would be suitable and glossed over the fact all other countries, including some with independence hungry regions, would have to agree to this. All within an 18 month timetable whilst negotiating everything else.

Crucially the legal advice that actually exists outside the imaginations of the SNP is mixed but comes down on the side of 'New country, new member'

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jimi can you stop with the Little Englander comments please, there is no need for it.

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http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-...itics-25856657

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You have clearly missed the rubbish I've had tae put up with,including from yourself,deal with it.!!!

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Just read the gut wrenching story from The Daily Fail which had a headline...The Lucky Dip lottery ticket that could wreck the Union.

What this stupid idiotic article said about the Weirs lottery win and their donation towards the SNP was nothing other than a damned disgrace.
Short memories,because how many Tory toffs have donated tae that mob over the years,nae wonder its losing thousands of readers daily.

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Blimey they're banging on about the Battle of Britain now. Still I suppose that's what desperate folks do when they have no coherent or logical argument to present. Maybe the SNP's dubious financial projections could be enhanced by taxing all that irrational bitterness some folks seem consumed by. :D

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If they did that then they would be able to leave the oil where it is and buy gold plated jet packs for everyone. :D

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Bugger!!! Have I just got Salmond off the fiscal hook then??!! :erm:



:D

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Seems that the more people tell the Scots how much worse they will be with a "yes" vote the more inclined people are to vote "yes". Not ignorance but simply not liking to be told what to vote or else.

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There is a strong contrarian streak in Scotland to be sure, however there is also a strong tendency to mind one's wallet. Talk is cheap, a tax bill is not. And every opinion poll ever taken is, ultimately, just talk.

Let us see what happens in September when the facts have fully come home to roost. I still predict No will win, and not narrowly, either.

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It's lunacy. The SNP are promising the moon on a stick and when their plans fall apart under the slightest scrutiny they play the victim card and blame the big bad Tories for everything.

And some people fall for it. :(

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Difference being JIMI is anything i posted regarding your views are about you. Little Englanders is insulting all of us down here. I wouldn't stoop so low as to name call all of the people in Scotland out of repect for our Scots friends on this forum. It's clear to see why you follow Salmond and his cronies.

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Thing is Salmond doesn't care. If they win Independence and sign that document his place in history is secure.

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I don't believe it,a sensible post at last,(apart from Mr. Angry's tae):D
When truth becomes a lie then folk can see right through it,we in Scotland know who tells the truth and it sure ain't BT.

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I predict a massacre,65/35 in favour of us winning it by a landslide.

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I'm not sure what Jimi means when he asked Mr Angry [quote] "have [you] ever read "The Battle of Britain," if so,you'd be forgiven for thinking England won it. Before the Little Englander brigade get on their high horses again,go read it."

There are dozens of books about the Battle of Britain, each with their own take. In my experience most spend some time talking about where the 'British' pilots came from (for example in Stephen Bungay's brilliant 'Most dangerous Enemy') which goes into some detail about the British, Australian, New Zealand, South African, Canadian pilots (from the Empire) and the Polish (the largest non-British contingent), Czech, French, Bulgarian, Belgian, and USA (volunteers before America entered the war). The Wikipedia article on the Battle of Britain makes the same points as does the RAF page on the Battle, which scrupulously uses UK/Britain throughout.

The Battle was, for reasons relating to proximity to the continent, largely fought in southern and midland England and the stock images are, necessarily, of Biggin Hill etc. The RAF stationed air defence squadrons all over the UK, even at the height of the Battle, and indeed moved squadrons around all parts of the UK to rest squadrons in the north and west of England and Scotland, where the level of Luftwaffe activity was much lower (even in NE Scotland, which was close to Luftwaffe bases in Norway).

So, no evidence that [quote] "you'd be forgiven for thinking England won it."

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Jimi and his ilk are well used to confusing puerile nonsense with reasoned argument - it's all they have and it's the best possible evidence of the paucity of their case.

Perhaps Jimi will now appear with some tangible evidence to support his claims. I mean he's read the 'Battle of Britain' book so it must be true and I'm sure he'll be able to quote all those references to English pilots winning the battle... :D

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If it happens his place in history will be about as positive as Gordon Brown's.

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That post wasn't sensible, it was a fact. People just don't like to be told what to do and usually do the opposite. It have nothing at all todo with truth. Then again you believe anything Salmond and the SNP tell you. :dunce:

Landslide victory, hahaha.

I've been away a few days but can clearly see nothing changes round here. A small minority still spouting nonsense and bringing in historical events to try and make a point. Even though they bear no relation to the subject.

I better stop or I'll get accused of bullying:rolleyes:

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I found the last two posts in this thread amusing

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Funny, Jimi doesn't seem to have a problem writing TO instead of TAE over on that forum.

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Ooh err, get him - "I've been called all sorts of names on Cable Forum,even the bloody idiotic Scots on the forum are a joke,I give as good as I get on there and for that I'm given bad rep every day,thing is,come September 19 the,im gonna go on there are give them [Mod Edit - asterisked out word removed] laldy.
It may take you a wee while to read the posts but trust me,I'll be back." The bit highlighted looks like jimi has finally accepted what he's like.

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As some one who has read what gets posted here and laughed as some of the rubbish
i thought i would join and point out that rightly or wrongly Gordon brown is still well thought of in Scotland

and the demonizing of Alex is actually quite funny if it wasn’t so sad, To personalize this decision on either side to alex Salmond is both insulting to the voters and plainly stupid.
A lot of YES voters despise the man, and NO voters think he is the best politician in the UK at the moment.

This vote is NOT about Salmond, or the SNP, its about a long term future for Scotland

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Alex?

Are you best pals? ;)

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Hard to differentiate between the man and the movement, though - as he is the figurehead for the Separatist movement.

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Its only hard for the hard of thinking ..on either side

I tend to stick to the issues and not the transient personalities

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It's hard to differentiate between the SNP and a personality cult at times. Its fortunes are very closely tied to his, as the disastrous reign of J Swinney showed.

As does the tendency for sympathisers to refer to him in discussion by his first name (as has happened here) or to fly into a rage when he is attacked (as has not happened here so far).

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Pierre What have the Scots or Welsh done to you or Cornish people

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Why would you need to attack anyone on either side?
Surely its about the issues?
Not the personalities??

Playing the man instead of the ball is a sure sign that you are losing the argument

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You should phone Bute House and advise himself of that fact. After all, he said of Cameron, "while I was compiling the oil and gas index, David Cameron was still fooling around on the playing fields of Eton", and that's not the only example of his own preference for playing the man, not the ball.

I can't blame him though, it's the standard tactic when your argument based on the actual issues is so weak. And the separatist case is very, very weak.

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The "separatist case" ?? nice to see an open mind
Which bit, the emotional one?
The financial one?

Why would I bother what he said about an other transient politician who is likely to be ousted by a blonde haired colleague if he doesn’t win the next election outright.
Other than his attempt to suggest that he is better able to run an economy than the other guy

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Wish it was over & done with Mr Salmon is really annoying me every time I see him on the TV talking nonsense. It will not happen.

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We have got another five months of this arrogant horrible man and l for one cannot wait for him to get his comeuppance.

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Mod Comment - post removed.

Let's not feed egos, please - we are not wanting to start an inter-forum conflict, so let's not focus on individuals.

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Right. So, when Salmond makes an ad hominem attack on David Cameron (and let's not pretend the use of the words "fooling around" and "Eton" are anything else), then it's no consequence, but when someone lays in to Alex Salmond, it's "Playing the man instead of the ball is a sure sign that you are losing the argument".

I'm glad we've established your double standards within 60 minutes of you joining this discussion. What were you saying earlier about laughing at rubbish?

As for "separatist": Yes. I prefer to call a spade a spade. I reject the SNP's attempt to frame this as a nationalist issue; I know plenty of Scottish-born people who are extremely proud of their nation and wish to see that nation flourish, but who reject separatism as the means by which it might flourish.

Separatism is one possible expression of nationalism and is the one the SNP is peddling. And, for the very many reasons we have gone over, and over, and over, in this thread, separatism is a pig in a poke.

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Yep no attacking the man here

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Sorry - aren't the SNP putting forward a case for Separation from the UK?

We are happy to discuss, and disagree on various points - I am Scottish, living in England, and would like my place of birth to remain part of the UK; others views may differ, but as long as we can discuss it in a civilised manner, all to the good.

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Ahem.....

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l am just saying how it is Sir.

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No double standards as i said I care not about the politicians
They will twist their arguments and select facts to suit them self’s as that’s how politicians work. I have my opinion, which I haven’t given yet, based on an emotional and a practical fact based argument.

As to your comment “Scottish born “ why is a birth location an issue in this debate on either side, if come 18 September you are living in Scotland and eligible to vote that’s the issue. Are you suggesting we should limit the vote only to those born in Scotland??

And of course it’s a nationalist issue; the democratic vote of the Scottish nation is what will decide this one way or the other.

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"Scottish born", because no matter how much I may love Scotland, I think someone who was actually born here has a better handle on how nationalism may be expressed. I can observe how Scottish people express their nationalism and relate it here, but as I am not Scottish, and there is no legal means by which I could become so (had I wanted to - which I don't), then that provides useful context for anything I might say about Scottish nationalism.

I am English, I live in Scotland, I have a vote, and I will vote in September on whether I think Scotland is better off taking full control of all the levers of government, or whether it is better remaining in a union with the other home nations which currently share much of that as one nation state called the UK.

As things stand, while I can intellectually conceive of circumstances under which Scotland would be better off separating from the UK, I believe those circumstances are a long way from the actual reality of 2014.

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That point has already been made and it may be true but I was stating my opinion not Scotland's and around these parts Brown is certainly not well thought of which is why he got the boot at the first opportunity.

As for demonising Salmond well you get as good as you give. Salmond's a big boy now and evidently doesn't mind a bit of derogatory name calling so it's only fair that he receives some in return.

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Hot on the heels of threatening to walk away from any share of the UKs debt and proving once again that he really understands how diplomacy works Emperor-in-waiting Salmond has come up with a master plan to ensure EU entry.

Basically it's let us in or we will blockade fishing grounds and access to other countries fishing grounds.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...embership.html

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Eck and whose navy? :scratch:

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All those submarines stationed at Faslane... Oh....

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I'm still waiting to hear who he thinks would man his patrol vessels and skiddly second-hand T55s, given that he can't simply lay claim to an 8% share of the personnel of the UK armed forces. No man or woman can have their service transferred to a foreign country as if it were a football transfer. If they don't want to go, nobody can make them.

I'm definitely going to Armed Forces Day this year, it will be great to see our service people showing off their stuff and also quite amusing to see how many people aren't down the road in a muddy field by Bannock Burn, pining after a 700-year-old medieval dynastic squabble.

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Presumably they'll take the Scottish units?

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But they can't, can they? They can negotiate a share of the hardware assets, but they could not compel any serviceman or woman to join or remain with the military of a country foreign to the one they signed up for.

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There was I thinking that Salmond had been giving the impression that EU membership was a shoo-in for Scotland. :confused: :rolleyes:

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You forget, "Constructive, enthusiastic" is Natspeak for "Here is a list of our demands ... Or else."

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In reference to what?

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By supporting Celtic or Rangers? :p:

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From Private Eye http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1398939544

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Happy birthday to the Acts of Union, 307 years old today. May you live long and prosper.

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We should have a Act of the Union day :(

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Passed off largely unnoticed, just like International Workers' Day.

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Excellent ;)

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As it has for centuries. British nationalism and patriotism is typically quiet and understated. We are, for the most part, unsettled and a little uncomfortable when people shout about it too loudly. In the context of the referendum in Scotland, this translates into unionism and is why I firmly believe that the No vote is routinely being under-reported in opinion polls and that cometh the hour, most of the "don't knows" will turn out to have been "quiet noes" all along.

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The Scotsman

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Yeah but they didn't ask Jimi... :D

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That Article amounts to bullying... no more,no less.

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Just popped in to ask something that occured to me. If the vote is 'yes' to Independence, will the Union Jack flag have to be amended to reflect this?

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The Union Jack was created on the instructions of James I/VI to fly on his naval vessels, leading to the creation of a common naval force for England and Scotland a century before the formal union of the parliaments.

As the union of the crowns was the reason for the flag, and the crowns would remain united under the version of independence being touted by the separatists, the union flag would have a continuing role and anyone who wished to show loyalty to the Crown could justifiably continue to fly the flag.

If you think that answer fails to give you any concrete idea of how things would actually play out in practical reality, consider yourself lucky that you don't live here in Scotland, where we are daily asked to swallow gravity-defying nationalist assertions with barely a thread of evidence or reason.

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Thanks, that answers my question :)

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They're at it again.

"In a report submitted to the Holyrood parliament, Professor McCrone said Scotland “could manage perfectly well as an independent country”, adding that it was “even possible that it might eventually do better economically than remaining as a part of the UK”.

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This is building on what he said last year....

Indy

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I think it predates even that.

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Everything is possible but are people willing to gamble the futures of themselves and their children on a possibility?

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That's very much the question Derek. It's a tough call whatever way you look at it but, to a certain extent, every decision we make or are subjected to involves a risk / gamble of some sort.

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Any decent Risk Assessment takes into consideration the severity of the Impact of the risk and the Likelyhood of the risk occurring - it would be unusual (actually, pointless) in business to assess the risk after the event.

Yet this is what it would appear to be happening in the Referendum.....

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Once again the SNP are hiding away potentially bad news about how their flagship policies might be total nonsense.

http://scottishpol.blogspot.co.uk/20...r-you.html?m=1

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The difficulty with dismissing the policy because it is considered that the public interest is best served by non-disclosure of elements thereof, as I see it, is that in the event of a "Yes" vote a new Scottish parliament can pass and legislate for changes in the welfare bill to ensure that their flagship policy does indeed become a reality.

Put simply all that is required is for the parliament to differentiate between a plan "intended to allow more women to enter the workforce" and changes to the welfare bill that create a situation whereby more women are forced to either enter or return to the workforce.

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Agreed. However, the risks can be reviewed, addressed and (for the greater part) averted after the referendum result via the mutually beneficial negotiations to be held as per the Memorandum of Understanding relating to the outcome (whatever that might be).

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That is under the assumption that the benefits are mutual.....

Basic requirement of any major programme of work is the ARIaD (also know as the RAID) log -

Assumptions
Risks
Issues
and
Dependencies

These are usually done before the Programme starts, and updated/added to when something unforeseen occurs.

How can anyone assume things will be mutually beneficial with all the cat-fighting that is going on?

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Well you see there's Murphy's Law for the Irish and now there's Salmond's Assumption for the Scots... :D

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The Memorandum is unequivocal in that it requires both parties, whatever the outcome, to work in the best interests of The people of Scotland and the rest of the United Kingdom.

"The United Kingdom and Scottish Governments are committed, through the Memorandum of Understanding 4 between them and others, to working together on matters of mutual interest and to the principles of good communication and mutual respect. The two governments have reached this agreement in that spirit. They look forward to a referendum that is legal and fair producing a decisive and respected outcome. The two governments are committed to continue to work together constructively in the light of the outcome, whatever it is, in the best interests of the people of Scotland and of the rest of the United Kingdom."

I'm sure there has been some degree of pre-planning and contingency development by both parties.

Yes, one could almost be forgiven for thinking that there are those who are pro-actively working to scupper any chance of a "Yes" vote. The cat-fighting really ought to be taking place after the referendum and under the auspices of the Memorandum.

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I don't understand how that is relevant?

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In what sense do you not understand its relevance?

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Well how is it relevant to what Hugh said?

I mean that text is meaningless guff. It's so ambiguous.

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It's relevant in that many of the things already ruled out by or mooted by either side will have to be hammered out after the outcome, whatever that may be, is known.

Hugh stated that "....it would be unusual (actually, pointless) in business to assess the risk after the event" I was merely pointing out that provision had already been made for that very scenario in the shape of the terms of the Memorandum.


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Politics 101.

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http://www.private-eye.co.uk/section...ame&issue=1365

Who is bullying who?

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If Cameron will have to resign if Scotland leaves the union, will Salmond do us all a favour and do likewise if it doesn't happen I wonder? Maybe he could emulate some of the more high profile SNP supporters who left Scotland years ago...

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How would the policy create extra tax revenue? Any increase in female employment would be at the expense of male employment. The only possible increase would be in the job creation scheme of staff at the nurseries, which is funded by the taxpayers.

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Creative accounting? :D

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Magic. There's a reason JK Rowling stays in Scotland, she can magic up money to pay for better services with lower taxes.

Either that or the SNP are saying the only reason thousands of women are not starting and growing their own businesses is down to child care issues.

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If only she were in favour of Independence....

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Is there some sort of rule that dictates this?

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It is in part.

However it's not unique to Scotland. Take for example single parent mothers. There are many hundreds of thousands of stay at home one parent mothers of various age groups throughout the UK whose circumstances are such that they are happier staying at home, not working and getting free or subsidised housing via Income Support, Housing Benefit and JSA (or variations thereof) rather than going out to work or starting up and growing businesses.

An independent Scotland could legislate for changes to their welfare system where this is no longer either an attractive, and indeed in some cases default, mindset for many single mothers.

A forced return to work by means of a revised welfare bill will generate more revenue taxes.

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Good idea in principle - were there is a single mother there must be a daddy! Responsibility must go both ways, unless the daddies are all on the social as well.