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Maggy 02-02-2012 12:40
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35373953)
Wouldn that be Sky Six?

They should just buy Channel 5 insted
They already tried that with ITV and got told by Ofcom to sell some of their ITV shares.

BenMcr 02-02-2012 12:44
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35374017)
They already tried that with ITV and got told by Ofcom to sell some of their ITV shares.
I may be misremembering here but I think the only reason they had to sell shares in ITV was because ITV has as PSB licence, so were too 'big' for Sky to have a controlling stake in alongside their own channels

Sky could have probably bought Channel 5 without issue, but then owning another channel wasn't the reason Sky bought shares in ITV in the first place ;)

Alan Fry 02-02-2012 12:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35374027)
I may be misremembering here but I think the only reason they had to sell shares in ITV was because ITV has as PSB licence, so were too 'big' for Sky to have a controlling stake in alongside their own channels

Sky could have probably bought Channel 5 without issue, but then owning another channel wasn't the reason Sky bought shares in ITV in the first place ;)
It was to stop VM form buying the company, even though if we did buy it we would then sell it after 5 years to sky anyway! :D

Maggy 02-02-2012 12:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35374027)
I may be misremembering here but I think the only reason they had to sell shares in ITV was because ITV has as PSB licence, so were too 'big' for Sky to have a controlling stake in alongside their own channels

Sky could have probably bought Channel 5 without issue, but then owning another channel wasn't the reason Sky bought shares in ITV in the first place ;)
Buying Channel 5 would have placed them in the same position they were in in trying to get control of ITV.Charges about monopolies would have been brought.

Alan Fry 02-02-2012 12:50
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35374036)
Buying Channel 5 would have placed them in the same position they were in in trying to get control of ITV.Charges about monopolies would have been brought.
Channel 5 is a minor channel compaired to ITV/STV/UTV and even Channel 4

Maggy 02-02-2012 12:55
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35374045)
Channel 5 is a minor channel compaired to ITV/STV/UTV and even Channel 4
A monopoly is a monopoly whatever the size of the channel.

Besides which this thread really is about the phone hacking scandal which now seems to be proven against more than NI and News Corp and is spreading to the other press organisations.

Alan Fry 02-02-2012 12:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35374050)
A monopoly is a monopoly whatever the size of the channel.

Besides which this thread really is about the phone hacking scandal which now seems to be proven against more than NI and News Corp and is spreading to the other press organisations.
yest but Sky would still have to compete with Channel 4 and ITV/STV/UTV along with the BBC if they did buy Channel 5!

Maggy 02-02-2012 13:51
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Anyway we are digressing from the topic so I suggest we return to it.

Alan Fry 02-02-2012 14:05
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35374104)
Anyway we are digressing from the topic so I suggest we return to it.
Sorry! :(

Maggy 06-02-2012 20:00
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16909539

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The Daily Mail's editor was aware the paper was using private detectives but not of the extent to which it was doing so, the Leveson Inquiry has heard.
Quote:
Defending a Mail story reporting the birth of Mr Grant's baby, he said a newspaper was entitled to ask a celebrity such as Grant if he had had a child, especially when he had spoken previously of his desire to be a father.
"Mr Grant has spent his life invading his own privacy," he said. "It seems a little bit ripe that when he does have a child, he and his press representatives won't confirm or deny that."
What complete and utter BS..and what a total slime ball. I found myself shouting at this particular specimen as he gave evidence.:mad:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16905465

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Police believe 829 people were "likely" victims of phone-hacking by newspapers, the Leveson Inquiry has heard.
Deputy Assistant Commissioner Sue Akers confirmed to the inquiry that 581 of those had been contacted.
However, 231 could not be identified, and 17 had not been told due to "operational reasons".
She is overseeing three investigations involving claims of newspaper hacking. Ninety police staff are involved in Operation Weeting.
Apparently they have 4 terabytes of data to deal with so far.

Alan Fry 07-02-2012 09:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35377124)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16909539

What complete and utter BS..and what a total slime ball. I found myself shouting at this particular specimen as he gave evidence.:mad:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16905465



Apparently they have 4 terabytes of data to deal with so far.
The Editor of the Daily Mail was once a member of the Press Complaints Commission until 2008!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Dacre

gba93 07-02-2012 09:43
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35377247)
The Editor of the Daily Mail was once a member of the Press Complaints Commission until 2008!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Dacre
Tells you all you need to know. The more I find out about him the worse it gets but then I'm not a Daily Mail reader. ;)

Alan Fry 07-02-2012 10:51
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Originally Posted by gba93 (Post 35377270)
Tells you all you need to know. The more I find out about him the worse it gets but then I'm not a Daily Mail reader. ;)
I am proud that I never read the Daily Mail! :D

denphone 08-02-2012 12:46
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http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/media/ne...ttlements.html

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Comedian Steve Coogan and former footballer Paul Gascoigne are among various high-profile people to have settled their phone hacking cases against the News of the World today.

The High Court heard this morning that the Alan Partridge star and ex-England player have reached deals with News Group Newspapers, the publisher of the now defunct paper. In total, 15 claims have been settled today involving 19 people.

These include former Labour spin doctor Alastair Campbell, Simon Hughes MP and football agent Phil Hughes, along with singer Pete Doherty, jockey Kieran Fallon, football agent Sky Andrew, former MP George Galloway and Sheila Henry, the mother of 7/7 victim Christian Small

gba93 08-02-2012 14:27
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35378121)
Isn't it wonderful how a bag load of money can cure heart-break, embarassment, hurt feelings, outrage, etc :rolleyes:

Sirius 11-02-2012 10:25
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Breaking news on Sky news is that there has been more arrests at the Sun

More to follow

The ticker on the Sky news channel says 8 more arrested over illegal payments to the police

gba93 11-02-2012 10:31
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35379867)
Breaking news on Sky news is that there has been more arrests at the Sun

More to follow

The ticker on the Sky news channel says 8 more arrested over illegal payments to the police
Including both journalists and police officers apparently

Sirius 11-02-2012 10:33
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Originally Posted by gba93 (Post 35379871)
Including both journalists and police officers apparently
Indeed, Waiting for more info

denphone 11-02-2012 10:36
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Originally Posted by gba93 (Post 35379871)
Including both journalists and police officers apparently
It seems the more you open the can of worms the more they wriggle out.

gba93 11-02-2012 10:51
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35379873)
Indeed, Waiting for more info
From the BBC:
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Eight people have been arrested over allegations of corrupt payments to police and public officials, Scotland Yard has said.
Those arrested include a serving Surrey Police officer, a serving member of the armed forces and an MoD employee.
In addition, five men aged between 45 and 68 were arrested at addresses in London, Kent and Essex.
A statement from News Corporation confirmed that five employees of The Sun were among those arrested.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16996275

Sirius 11-02-2012 12:40
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35379877)
It seems the more you open the can of worms the more they wriggle out.

Well it does look like they have a good worm catcher ;)

Maggy 11-02-2012 15:53
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I wonder if it has something to do with a member of the Royal family?

Alan Fry 13-02-2012 09:59
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Now will they shut down the Sun?

denphone 13-02-2012 10:04
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35381033)
Now will they shut down the Sun?
The answer to that is no.

Alan Fry 13-02-2012 10:35
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35381041)
The answer to that is no.
Yes, but did Murdoch not say the News of the World would remain open?

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35381056)
Only if the Times and the Sunday Times go too:



Source

2.6m Sun buyers and at least as many others who read it is a significant segment of public opinion.

News International and Murdock may be in the limelight at the moment but the rest of the press are hardly squeaky clean.
But because the Times and the Sunday times have a international prestige, they will end up being sold to someone elise, while the Sun is a trashy newspaper and will will end up shutting down!

Remember, the NOTW was very proftable, but it still shut down!

Damien 13-02-2012 10:39
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News International seem to be the company that have overstepped the mark on a consistent basis. They keep coming close to The Mirror but nothing substantive comes up whereas the Daily Mail seem to have avoided illegality and there isn't much of a question against the other papers.

Although the bribery case may ensnare other papers, all of them would have paid for a story before and it's a matter of when it becomes bribery or not. Paying a Police Officer for revealing information that would otherwise be private, cameras appearing at an arrest for example, is obviously beyond the mark but paying for a tip-off less so.

That broadsheet papers lose money is well known and depressing but I fail to see the relevance in a discussion about ethics. I bring this up not because of the quite you highlighted heero, I understand the point about subsidisation of The Times, but because numerous tabloid editors and reports have brought this up as a justification for their intrusion.

Maggy 13-02-2012 15:30
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35381078)
News International seem to be the company that have overstepped the mark on a consistent basis. They keep coming close to The Mirror but nothing substantive comes up whereas the Daily Mail seem to have avoided illegality and there isn't much of a question against the other papers.

Although the bribery case may ensnare other papers, all of them would have paid for a story before and it's a matter of when it becomes bribery or not. Paying a Police Officer for revealing information that would otherwise be private, cameras appearing at an arrest for example, is obviously beyond the mark but paying for a tip-off less so.

That broadsheet papers lose money is well known and depressing but I fail to see the relevance in a discussion about ethics. I bring this up not because of the quite you highlighted heero, I understand the point about subsidisation of The Times, but because numerous tabloid editors and reports have brought this up as a justification for their intrusion.
Actually Damien having watched a great deal of the recorded evidence from the Leveson Inquiry I have to say that the Mail is not off the hook completely.

Also the police have not yet finished their enquiries and there maybe more evidence to emerge.Besides which bribery of a police officer is a criminal offence whatever the actual information sold consists of.There is no lesser degree of culpability in that crime because it can lead to corruption.

Maggy 13-02-2012 17:34
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...xpires_in=5246

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Rupert Murdoch's global empire is set to face new legal action in the US over alleged illegal practices by News Corp journalists. The lawyer at the heart of the phone-hacking scandal in the UK, Mark Lewis, who was instrumental in exposing the scale of illegal voicemail accessing at the News of the World, is in the "advanced stages" of bringing his first case against News Corp on the other side of the Atlantic.
Now that is good news..

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With the arrest of five more senior Sun journalists over the weekend on suspicion of corruption and conspiracy - adding to the four former and current Sun employees arrested last month - a visit to London this week by News Corp's chairman and CEO, Rupert Murdoch, is already being viewed, according to one News Corp executive, as "five-star crisis management" with the future of The Sun on the line.
Now is that The Sun or The Son? ;)

Maggy 14-02-2012 20:36
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Tomorrow, the House of Lords will consider whether Murdoch is "fit and proper" to own our media. If we rally a massive show of public support now we can ensure that it’s more than a symbolic action. Let's push the regulators to revoke Murdoch'slicence to operate and end his dirty dealings for good. Click below to petition government
http://www.avaaz.org/en/end_the_murd...082717&v=12622

denphone 14-02-2012 20:41
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Signed forthwith.

Sirius 14-02-2012 20:57
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35382025)
Signed forthwith.
And me

Ravenheart 14-02-2012 21:10
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signed

Dave42 14-02-2012 21:13
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35382020)
signed lets get Murdoch out

gba93 14-02-2012 22:34
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35382042)
signed lets get Murdoch out
Agreed & signed

denphone 15-02-2012 09:09
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35382157)
Be careful what you wish for....
Why heero?.:)

Maggy 15-02-2012 10:14
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35382173)
Source


Taking the Sun down market!?!

As I said, be careful. :erm:
However the media are under the microscope and so are the owners of said media.I suggest that future proprietors of any newspaper is going to have to tread very carefully and there maybe a case for looking at a monopoly situation.I don't think we will be going back to the way things were..

By the way if anyone missed it do take a look at Desmond's contribution to the Levenson Inquiry.

denphone 15-02-2012 14:57
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17041915

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The Supreme Court has ruled it will decide whether private investigator Glenn Mulcaire must reveal which journalists asked him to hack phones.

The court granted Mulcaire permission to appeal against two court orders that could have forced him to name the reporters.

The two-day hearing will begin on 9 May.

Earlier this month Mulcaire lost his appeal against the orders at the Royal Courts of Justice, but appealed.

He had appealed to try to avoid having to answer questions in civil proceedings that could incriminate him


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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012...s-corp-inquiry

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Senior journalists at the Sun are preparing to launch a legal challenge to the News Corporation unit that disclosed confidential sources to the police, leading to the arrest of nine of the paper's current and former staff this month.

Journalists at the News International red-top have approached the National Union of Journalists with a view to hiring the leading human rights lawyer, Geoffrey Robertson QC, to question the legality of parent company News Corp's management and standards committee.

The NUJ has been contacted by more than a dozen journalists from the Sun with concerns about the protection of sources, it is understood.

The potential legal challenge represents a dramatic new front in the civil war at Rupert Murdoch's Wapping newspaper headquarters on the eve of his arrival in London to deal with the crisis at the Sun

Damien 15-02-2012 15:09
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The irony of Sun Journalists using the Human Rights Act to defend themselves. They have written enough articles, front pages and scare stories attacking it. Unprincipled, spineless, hypocrites. I hope they remember this but somehow I think they will be right back to attacking it as soon as possible.

Hugh 15-02-2012 16:37
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Also they are attacking the fact that information has been released without their involvement or consent - oh, the irony....

Maggy 15-02-2012 20:33
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Well the defence can always be that 'it's in the public interest'

:rofl:

Damien 16-02-2012 09:08
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Charlie Brooker's 'Sun Rap': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI0Bp...ature=youtu.be

It does make a good point though. The Sun is currently complaining of a witchhunt, they would know one after all. and the journalists want their human rights respect despite being happy to take the paychecks for their constant attempts to tear it down.

Maggy 16-02-2012 14:15
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35382757)
Charlie Brooker's 'Sun Rap': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI0Bp...ature=youtu.be

It does make a good point though. The Sun is currently complaining of a witchhunt, they would know one after all. and the journalists want their human rights respect despite being happy to take the paychecks for their constant attempts to tear it down.
blocked on copyright grounds..:erm:

BenMcr 16-02-2012 14:39
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35382847)
blocked on copyright grounds..:erm:
Another link here (with a 4oD video so I reckon it will stay ;) ) http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/news/...oem-video.html

Alan Fry 17-02-2012 11:22
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35381393)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...xpires_in=5246

Now that is good news..

Now is that The Sun or The Son? ;)
Is the Sun nearing the end? :angel:

denphone 17-02-2012 11:24
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Originally Posted by Alan Fry (Post 35383321)
Is the Sun nearing the end? :angel:
l somehow doubt it with a Sun on Sunday being planned.

Alan Fry 17-02-2012 11:28
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35382020)
Just signed it!

Shut the Sun and BSkyB should give VM the right to Sky Atlantic!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35382173)
Source


Taking the Sun down market!?!

As I said, be careful. :erm:
Sell The Times and The Sunday Times to the Pearson PLC (who own The Financial Times and the Economist!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35382757)
Charlie Brooker's 'Sun Rap': http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jI0Bp...ature=youtu.be

It does make a good point though. The Sun is currently complaining of a witchhunt, they would know one after all. and the journalists want their human rights respect despite being happy to take the paychecks for their constant attempts to tear it down.
I found it very funny! :D

Arthurgray50@blu 17-02-2012 13:04
New Sunday newspaper coming soon
 
www.skynews.com Just announced a newsflash that Rupert Murdoch has said to all his staff at Wapping.

That very soon there will be a new Sunday newspaper called THE SUN ON SUNDAY.

He has told all his staff in an email.

denphone 17-02-2012 13:08
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Well l for one will not be buying it.:td::(:td:

Chris 17-02-2012 13:09
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Wow. I never saw that coming.

Maggy 17-02-2012 13:35
[Update] The News Corp scandal
 
Arthur why do you always start a new thread everytime instead of adding to thread already opened.

Already has been discussed here http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...l#post35383324

Threads merged

chris9991 17-02-2012 13:46
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Wonder what took them so long. I can still smell the stench

Maggy 17-02-2012 14:10
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35383451)
Well I, for one, am quite happy to buy the Sun for its entertainment value and as an ex-NOTW reader (Yes I do admit it!) will probably buy the Sun on Sunday for the same reason. I don't bother to read the tittle-tattle stories about who's been in whose bed, but there are some serious stories as well and a number of the journalists have won awards (Trevor Kavanagh for example)

If I really wanted to be depressed about the world I'd watch the BBC. :D
Well you obviously have a problem with understanding the world as it really is if you rely on those toilet rags for any information at all.

But then I guess you just buy them for the sports,puzzles,horoscopes,TV schedule,Page 3 and free offers as so many do..
I personally want true independent news that is accurate,truthful and ethically sourced.

Saaf_laandon_mo 17-02-2012 14:13
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35383451)
Well I, for one, am quite happy to buy the Sun for its entertainment value and as an ex-NOTW reader (Yes I do admit it!) will probably buy the Sun on Sunday for the same reason. I don't bother to read the tittle-tattle stories about who's been in whose bed, but there are some serious stories as well and a number of the journalists have won awards (Trevor Kavanagh for example)

If I really wanted to be depressed about the world I'd watch the BBC. :D
I buy the Sun (though not daily) for the Sports coverage, which I feel is excellent. I enjoy reading articles by Steven Howard and Colin Hart. I don't see the rest of the paper as being a serious news source, if I want that I read/watch something else.

Maggy 17-02-2012 14:21
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/wo...nt&tntemail1=y

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In his 60 years in the newspaper business, few moments can have been as charged for Rupert Murdoch as the one he seems likely to confront on Friday when he is scheduled to visit the London headquarters of his British newspaper arm, News International, where reporters and editors are said to be in a state of civil war against Mr. Murdoch and his executives.
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But the Murdoch trip seems likely to be far from routine, going to the heart of what many media pundits, lawyers and politicians in Britain have come to see as a battle for the survival of his embattled newspaper operations in Britain — and perhaps, ultimately, a fight to shore up Mr. Murdoch’s control of the News Corporation, the American-based media conglomerate that owns the British papers and tens of billions of dollars of other assets, including Fox News and the Hollywood studio 20th Century Fox.
this article is quite a nice summary of the situation thus far..

BTW 21 journalists from the Sun and NOTW have now been arrested..How many will it take before it is apparent that those at the top knew what was going on?

AdamD 17-02-2012 14:58
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Wish I knew what people found interesting about these types of papers (sun/notw/daily mirror etc).

Even my mum reads the mirror, which I often playfully scorn her for (and call her trailer trash to :P)
hehe

Sirius 17-02-2012 15:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35383411)
www.skynews.com Just announced a newsflash that Rupert Murdoch has said to all his staff at Wapping.

That very soon there will be a new Sunday newspaper called THE SUN ON SUNDAY.

He has told all his staff in an email.
So more pap on Sunday :rolleyes:

That will be another paper full of boobs, the latest news of the screws and general low level porn. Low IQ fodder

Maggy 17-02-2012 15:20
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35383473)
Clearly you don't know me.



Not the BBC then? But I'll stay away from that subject.

Page 3? ;) Got me wrong there as well.
I'm not going to argue with you about this..What I want to campaign for in a democracy is a free independent uncorrupted and ethical press that tells me about what I NEED to know and spares me gossip,innuendo and speculation. As far as I'm concerned everyone who buys the Sun is supporting the opposite even if they don't believe what it prints. I'm also hoping that after this politicians grows a pair and starts to stand up to a press that has corrupted them,their positions and the police and has managed to influence government policy for the last 30 years as a consequence all for the sake of profit.

Sirius 17-02-2012 15:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamD (Post 35383484)
Wish I knew what people found interesting about these types of papers (sun/notw/daily mirror etc).

Even my mum reads the mirror, which I often playfully scorn her for (and call her trailer trash to :P)
hehe
The mirror sits in the same pile of low IQ crap as the sun as far as i am concerned, In fact the only reason the Mirror survives is because of its sales in Liverpool.

muppetman11 17-02-2012 15:42
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Has anyone thought , Murdoch may have known nothing about all this

denphone 17-02-2012 15:48
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35383519)
Has anyone thought , Murdoch may have known nothing about all this
l am sure he knows about everything MM and remember the buck stops at the top.

AdamD 17-02-2012 16:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35383505)
The mirror sits in the same pile of low IQ crap as the sun as far as i am concerned, In fact the only reason the Mirror survives is because of its sales in Liverpool.
Indeed, I often wonder what would happen if all tabloids were scrapped, or even banned? would the average IQ of the nation rise? hehe

Sirius 17-02-2012 16:25
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Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35383519)
Has anyone thought , Murdoch may have known nothing about all this
Sorry no. I honestly believe he knew.

Hugh 17-02-2012 18:10
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And the Sun on Sunday will be launched "very soon".

denphone 17-02-2012 18:14
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Its seems the crafty fox always seems to pull a rabbit out of the hat but its one newspaper l have no intention of buying even if it was free.

denphone 17-02-2012 18:49
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35383614)
I'm sure you won't resist having a sneaky peek though? :D
l grew out of glancing at a certain page a long time again :D

muppetman11 17-02-2012 19:00
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35383546)
Sorry no. I honestly believe he knew.
It was a tongue in cheek comment mate :D

Sirius 17-02-2012 19:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35383619)
It was a tongue in cheek comment mate :D
:LOL:

Alan Fry 17-02-2012 19:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35383519)
Has anyone thought , Murdoch may have known nothing about all this
Even if he did not know it, he created the culture that allowed it to happen, he would have not condoned it!

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It is a great shame that the NOTW will be relaunched as The Sun on Sunday, better to shut it down, along with the Daily Mail, Star, Express and Sport!!!

Hugh 18-02-2012 00:15
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Not the Mirror as well?

Tim Deegan 18-02-2012 01:42
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35383598)
And the Sun on Sunday will be launched "very soon".
I said this would happen as soon as the news of the world closed. After all, it was only Sunday's edition of the sun anyway.

Maggy 18-02-2012 10:06
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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35383740)
I said this would happen as soon as the news of the world closed. After all, it was only Sunday's edition of the sun anyway.
No it wasn't.It was at one point a truly independent paper established in 1843.It was under Rupert Murdoch's ownership than it became a toilet rag.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_of_the_World

Tim Deegan 18-02-2012 11:22
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35383793)
No it wasn't.It was at one point a truly independent paper established in 1843.It was under Rupert Murdoch's ownership than it became a toilet rag.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/News_of_the_World
That may be so Maggy. But it was still used as the Sunday's edition of the Sun, with the same gutter press style. After all their main competition is the Mirror, which does have a Sunday edition.

Chris 18-02-2012 11:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35383740)
I said this would happen as soon as the news of the world closed. After all, it was only Sunday's edition of the sun anyway.
It really wasn't. It had its own staff, from top to bottom, for starters. The News of the Screws had its own editorial agenda and also, the production of a weekly newspaper is an entirely different process to that of a daily.

It was owned by the same parent company, but then the Times is too.

If "The Sun on Sunday" is simply a seventh daily edition of the Sun, then it will be quite a different publication to the Screws. However, I think it more likely that Murdoch is simply trying to re-launch the Screws.

Arthurgray50@blu 18-02-2012 11:26
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Maggy J, As l am not sitting at the computer all day, l was watching Sky news to see what crap was going on in this country, like finding that l will not get a pay rise for the next TWO years, that means four years without a rise and prices all going up.

As soon as l saw about the S.O.S (could be another sinking newspaper), l thought that l would let everyone know.

BenMcr 18-02-2012 11:26
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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35383820)
That may be so Maggy. But it was still used as the Sunday's edition of the Sun, with the same gutter press style.
Personally I always thought the Sun and the NotW were the same paper with just a different title :/

Maggy 18-02-2012 11:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35383828)
Maggy J, As l am not sitting at the computer all day, l was watching Sky news to see what crap was going on in this country, like finding that l will not get a pay rise for the next TWO years, that means four years without a rise and prices all going up.

As soon as l saw about the S.O.S (could be another sinking newspaper), l thought that l would let everyone know.
Not that hard to take a quick look through the Current Affairs forum or do a search to check that you are not duplicating news threads.

Sirius 18-02-2012 11:54
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35383828)
like finding that l will not get a pay rise for the next TWO years, that means four years without a rise and prices all going up.
Its the company you work for says you don't get a rise so go complain to them, I get a feeling your good at it :)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35383833)
Not that hard to take a quick look through the Current Affairs forum or do a search to check that you are not duplicating news threads.
Sorry Maggy but this hast to be pointed out, That's is like asking him to post a LINK which is something he never ever does :D

Maggy 18-02-2012 12:16
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Please let's not let this thread descend into personal issues.It just detracts from the topic which is a very important one in this countries recent history.

Alan Fry 18-02-2012 14:32
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35383825)
It really wasn't. It had its own staff, from top to bottom, for starters. The News of the Screws had its own editorial agenda and also, the production of a weekly newspaper is an entirely different process to that of a daily.

It was owned by the same parent company, but then the Times is too.

If "The Sun on Sunday" is simply a seventh daily edition of the Sun, then it will be quite a different publication to the Screws. However, I think it more likely that Murdoch is simply trying to re-launch the Screws.
Yes, but The Sunday Times was once a independent newspaper, but it is now a sunday edition of The Times, but with its own staff, the same used to apply to the the NOTW and The Sun

Maybe they should call they new Sunday Newspaper "Today" insted of "The Sun on Sunday"

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Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35383829)
Personally I always thought the Sun and the NotW were the same paper with just a different title :/
Same here! :D

They were both as rubbish as each other!

Chris 18-02-2012 14:33
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If the Sunday Times has its own staff, its own production schedule and its own editor, in what sense is it simply a seventh daily edition of the Times?

I'll answer it for you: it isn't. And you don't know what you're talking about.

Alan Fry 18-02-2012 14:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35383948)
If the Sunday Times has its own staff, its own production schedule and its own editor, in what sense is it simply a seventh daily edition of the Times?

I'll answer it for you: it isn't. And you don't know what you're talking about.
They share the same editorial policy, board of directors and style, you can also jointly subscribe to them as well.

It is clear that they are closely linked, more so than The Guardian and
The Observer!

Chris 18-02-2012 15:19
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They have the same parent company and the same target market. They are not the same product.

Alan Fry 18-02-2012 15:23
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35384007)
They have the same parent company and the same target market. They are not the same product.
You are right about the fact they are not the same product, but they are largely are the same with the same board of directors and style of content, along with othe rlinks, but they do have the diffrent editorial teams!

Chris 18-02-2012 15:41
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In which case, the Sunday Times is not simply an edition of The Times published on a Sunday.

Maggy 18-02-2012 16:26
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Again we are in danger of wandering up a cul de sac..

papa smurf 18-02-2012 16:45
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35384007)
They have the same parent company and the same target market. They are not the same product.
if it looks like a skunk and smells like a skunk its usually a skunk;)

Tim Deegan 18-02-2012 18:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35383825)
It really wasn't. It had its own staff, from top to bottom, for starters. The News of the Screws had its own editorial agenda and also, the production of a weekly newspaper is an entirely different process to that of a daily.

It was owned by the same parent company, but then the Times is too.

If "The Sun on Sunday" is simply a seventh daily edition of the Sun, then it will be quite a different publication to the Screws. However, I think it more likely that Murdoch is simply trying to re-launch the Screws.
I know it had different staff, but I think you are missing my point. The Sun is a Monday to Saturday gutter press tabloid. The News of the World was News International's Sunday edition gutter press tabloid. All the Sunday edition of the Sun will be doing is filling that void, with a similar stayle paper.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35384067)
if it looks like a skunk and smells like a skunk its usually a skunk;)
I wish I could have put it as simple as that :clap:

Maggy 18-02-2012 19:10
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Historically the NOTW was not a sister Sunday paper for the Sun.If it had been it would have been called The Sunday Sun or the Sun on Sunday.

It was called the name it had carried for 168 years.The News of the World.

Chris 18-02-2012 19:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35384112)
I know it had different staff, but I think you are missing my point. The Sun is a Monday to Saturday gutter press tabloid. The News of the World was News International's Sunday edition gutter press tabloid. All the Sunday edition of the Sun will be doing is filling that void, with a similar stayle paper.

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I wish I could have put it as simple as that :clap:
Don't be beguiled by simplicity. The editorial priorities of the News of the World were quite different to those of the Sun and those differences are absolutely crucial to the kind of impact the Sun on Sunday is likely to make in its target market.

On that point, "Gutter press" is simply a perjorative term for the market segment it occupied. It does not follow that two "gutter press" products made by the same company are essentially the same product.

Maggy 18-02-2012 19:30
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Anyway it it doesn't matter..What matters is that Murdoch seems to think he has gotten away with something..:rolleyes:

denphone 18-02-2012 19:32
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35384156)
Anyway it it doesn't matter..What matters is that Murdoch seems to think he has gotten away with something..:rolleyes:
And we have to hope that the authorities make sure that he does not get away with it.

Tim Deegan 18-02-2012 20:46
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35384141)
Don't be beguiled by simplicity. The editorial priorities of the News of the World were quite different to those of the Sun and those differences are absolutely crucial to the kind of impact the Sun on Sunday is likely to make in its target market.

On that point, "Gutter press" is simply a perjorative term for the market segment it occupied. It does not follow that two "gutter press" products made by the same company are essentially the same product.
That's all a matter of opinion!

Chris 18-02-2012 21:42
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Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35384187)
That's all a matter of opinion!
The opinion of a mattress-selling fireman versus the opinion of a trained and time served old hack ... :D

Tim Deegan 18-02-2012 22:20
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35384224)
The opinion of a mattress-selling fireman versus the opinion of a trained and time served old hack ... :D
With repect, you know nothing at all about my experience or skills. ;)

In mine, and many other peoples opinions, it's quite obvious that the Sun will just replace the news of the world.

papa smurf 18-02-2012 22:34
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35384224)
The opinion of a mattress-selling fireman versus the opinion of a trained and time served old hack ... :D
fleet street -local high street or free press ?

Chris 19-02-2012 00:22
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Local high street. People paid to read my stuff. The mugs. :D

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35384235)

In mine, and many other peoples opinions, it's quite obvious that the Sun will just replace the news of the world.
... Which, with the greatest of respect, betrays a basic ignorance of how the industry works. Or how Murdoch works. The two are not necessarily the same.

Tim Deegan 19-02-2012 02:45
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35384301)
Local high street. People paid to read my stuff. The mugs. :D
Not quite the same experience as my step father then, who's experience includes:
Reporter
Political editor for a newspaper
Editor of two local papers
Editor of a national magazine
Press officer to the leader of a major political party
Press officer for the BBC

Maggy 19-02-2012 12:18
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Please stick to the topic which is the scandal at News Corp and throughout the Press and Media Industry, not the origins of individual papers or members skills.

Chris 19-02-2012 13:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Deegan (Post 35384328)
Not quite the same experience as my step father then, who's experience includes:
Reporter
Political editor for a newspaper
Editor of two local papers
Editor of a national magazine
Press officer to the leader of a major political party
Press officer for the BBC
Not quite the same at all - that list being someone else's experience rather than yours. However, I guarantee you that because of my personal experience I have worked with, and know, and have been trained by, people who would tick all those boxes plus several more.

It's a pity you don't pay more attention to your step father's experience though. If you're still clinging to the idea that the News of the World was essentially just the Sun on a Sunday, you really weren't paying attention at all.

Damien 19-02-2012 21:13
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Always found it odd that the Sundays have a different staff. How do they fund it all for a once a week paper? Do only a small minority stay exclusive to the Sunday title in order to get the big stories and the rest pitch in with the other content?


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