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Could someone also smack Mike Riley for not giving a clearcut penalty?!

I hated the fact it went to extra time and penalties. The fact that those taking the penalties missed was even more galling. Still, on to the Arsenal I guess!

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aw poor manure didn't get a penalty who dived this time as pretty boy wasn't playing

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I have been saying all along we needed stronger referee's in today's game, Riley did bottle it, it was a penalty.

Its like Mark Halsey in todays Spurs v Newcastle game, he was very poor,

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At least we got past 90 minutes in ours ;)

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I didnt think it was a clear cut foul(certainly dont think it was deliberate) and it could of went either way. Man U know to well how the game works and exploit it just as much as any other team these days. The ref made a couple of poor calls both ways imo but this is nothing new to football and I find it funny how much emphasis is put on it these days rather than the game itself.

Niether team made any really great chances and what little chances they did make wernt taken very well so I think it deserved to go to penelties(which I hate btw).

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If you choose to make 8 changes to your team and you lose then the is only Ferguson to blame as he expected that the mere thought of playing United would cow Everton into submission but was actually proved wrong again.

If you want to dispute referees decisions then have a video referee as in rugby.

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It was a 50/50 decision imo. I love the United fans now moaning about the ref, considering at one point that ref had given United 9 penalties in 9 games.

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as I said it wasn't a pen. Unless a player comes in and makes no attemp to play the ball and hacks someone down on purpose it shouldn't be a pen. This was just two people coming together and years ago it wouldn't even have been a talking point.

We lost because we put out a weak team who weren't good enough

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Stop moaning about the pen. It could have been given, but it would have been debatable to say the least. In the end you got 5 pens, and you missed 2. Everton missed 1. Well done Everton :tu:

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It was quite clearly a penalty, even Moyes thought it was ;)

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:clap:

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Yes it didn't seem very respectful to Everton or the competition as a whole to make that many changes, I wouldn't have been happy had I payed all that cash and travelled all that way to watch the reserves.

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Yep given their record on the day they'd have probably missed it anyway. I think it was a debatable one as well, seen 'em given, seen 'em refused, they still had the rest of the match + extra time to get the result.

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I'm inclined to agree - but nobody dare criticise SAF for doing so do they?!

I also think his tantrum was classic :D

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I don't think it was being disrespectful at all - the team held their own against Everton for 120 minutes. The open play of the match was very even.

I can't say Everton deserved to win because they didn't - it was too close. Saying that, someone needs to teach Berbatov to get the back of the net and not tap it to the keeper like he's passing it to Rooney :afire:

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You have made that point already? :confused:

Well done to Leicester city on securing promotion, not sure why we deserve front page of The Sun though? :erm:

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YES.

For £30m you expect a bit more from him. This season I've been completely underwhelmed by Berba. Couldn't hit a cow's rear with a banjo, that guy.

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Just as crossing your arms after a goal isn't disrespectful - its just one persons' perception.

Personally I think he treated the FA cup (or maybe just Everton) with a little less importance than prem or champ league games - but thats just my opinion :p:

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One word, complacent.

He has been crap all season. :rolleyes: for 30 mil best get rid!

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I think you might be right - but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Compare the FA Cup and Champion's league - SAF wants the latter more but that doesn't mean he's disrespecting the former, seeing as winning it will guarantee European football again next year. I had my head in my hands when I first saw the team sheet and it made me wonder if he really did want to win the match but they clearly equalled Everton all over the pitch for 2 hours.

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Didn't this Ferguson chappie criticise an injury-hit, regelgation-battling Spurs for doing the same thing as he did on sunday? Surely not. Being hypocritical would be so out of character for him.

I have to say, i'm weeing myself laughing at Man U fans being apoplyptic at Berbtoss. (I can't link because of the language but check redcafe.net for somrthing like the Berbatov scapegoat thread. We wouldn't have felt the same way over Carrick or Sheringham, but after everything that happened, I'd like to think this is a bit of football karma coming around.

At the end of the day, you paid £30m for Berbatov, and you got him. He has played exactly the same way for United as he has done for Spurs. He takes penalties exactly the same way. Just happens on this time he didn't score. Some fans I think though that Berbatov would morph into another Rooney (but with a deft touch), because he's playing for a "real" team, but that was never going to happen. Berbatov has had a couple of injuries but I don't think he's performed that much below what we'd have expected. Ferguson doesn't play him to his strengths though. He benefits from being with a solid, constant partner (in our case, Keane, which was why Defoe and Bent were completely frozen out), but with Fergies rotation, he's playing with Tevez, then Rooney, Then Welbeck etc.

Another point which hasn't been raised. There wasn't a minute's silence at the United-Everton semi despite saying there will be one in the programme. Makes me wonder if it was scrapped because Liverpool's two greatest rivals wouldn't respect it?

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The Premiership and Champions League is more important than the FA cup of course...

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Of which arsenal will win neither :)

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The rules, which Ferguson helpfully reminded us of at the time, state that you must field your strongest available side, regardless of whether you think the competition is important or not.

I'd love to hear Ferguson try and argue that a couple of kids are stronger than Berbatov, Ronaldo and Rooney.

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Rubbish. If that was the case the teams wouldn't have been wearing black armbands.

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SAF has not disrespected the FA Cup in anyway so it's pointless suggesting he doesn't think it's important. The team he fielded matched the other team. He also had major concerns about the state of the pitch, and those concerns were legitimate.

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Both teams would respect it, they both have a decent set of fans.

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I don't understand how fielding a young side is disrespectful, the team was made up largely of players who had won the carling cup and most would be starting week in week out for clubs outside the top four. It also had five international players with the rest all being under 21 internationals, hardly disrespectful, the club has been built on giving young players a chance and they held their own and were argueably the better side against a near full strength Everton team. People need to remember we have already played 15 games more than Everton have this season and we still have another 10 matches to play if we get to the final in Europe, playing a slightly weakend side was needed because of this and it nearly paid off. It's nowhere near as disrespectful as calling Everton a small club...;)

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I very much doubt it, an event of that sort of magnitude deserve respect from any walk of life surly?



I see Ferguson blames the pitch, when are they going to get this right!!! The amount of money spent on this stadium the pitch should be dame perfect!!! :mad:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8006546.stm

Well done on Lecister City getting promtion!!

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No, he has not blamed the pitch. He criticises it just like Wenger - there's a big difference.

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I cannot help but think there is a tad bit of blame there. :erm:

If the pitch was perfect he would have put his best squad out surely.

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He hasn't blamed it at all - he's said it contributed to his decision to put out the side that he did.

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It was great to see that it was actually the 'experienced' players that missed the spot kicks for Utd.

Jagielaka's (spelling?) penalty was pretty awesome considering he didnt really want to take one (especially after reading about his miss in Europe).

I do think Fergie was mostly right in his selection, like it's been said earlier, the players that played yesterday are pretty good, and most have shown their worth iin the premiership games in which they have played in. Plus its a good incentive/motivator to younger players in the squad to actually get to play 'big' games. I do think he should have gone for Van Dar Sar though in goal (or even bring him on just before end of extra time - i don't know if all the subs had been used up), but with both Vidic and Ferdinand in defence he must have thought there's enough experience at the back already.

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Fergie has a go about Rafa disrespecting Everton as a small team
and then he chooses a 2nd team in a FA CUP SEMI
and then moans when they lose - Classic Fergie :D

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Any chance you could ease up on the fonts, size and colours in your posts? It makes it difficult to multi-reply you.

The 'second' team matched Everton - which means they were good enough to be in the side. And the moaning wasn't about the loss, it was the state of the pitch, just like Arsene Wenger did yesterday. A stadium like Wembley shouldn't have an awful surface like that. The Millenium Stadium would have been ideal.

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In a back handed way you could say that SAF was saying just that, at least Rafa said it and didn't put the reserves out to try and prove it. As for the rest of your post I think Punky summed it up for me quite well enough earlier, rules are rules but then when did SAF ever think the rules applied to him, it's all right for him to wade into other clubs and managers on issues that have absolutely nothing to do with him but woe betide anyone that should even make a murmur about him/Utd.

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Fergie and United always go after their perceived rivals in the way he has been going after Rafael BenÃ*tez. It's mind games. He did it to Arsenal, he did to José Mourinho as well. Whichever club is the biggest danger that year to United incurs his wrath :D.

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Were people criticising Fergie for playing Beckham, Scholes, Butt, Giggs, Neville etc when they were young and coming up from the reserves? He played a team that was good enough to win yesterday and nearly did if it wasn't for a poor refereeing decision, i fail to see how thats disrespectful, fielding a team thats played in most rounds of the FA cup and won the League cup. If squad rotation and giving young players a chance is disrespectful and breaks the rules so be it, but in my opinion it isn't.

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People were criticising Fergie back then too. Remember Hansen's quote "You'll never win anything with kids". League and Cup double that season and a fair bit of silverware with the odd kid thrown in since....... and plenty of criticism each time they don't win.

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I'm sorry, but the FA make the rules of the FA cup not Ferguson, nor yourself. Its in black and white:

http://www.thefa.com/~/media/1E9E2DE...up%20Rules.pdf

So what you think is or isn't disrespectful is completely irrelevant. Playing two youths when you have a £30m striker on the bench (not even naming Rooney or Ronaldo), is quite obviously a breach of that law.

The fact that he criticised Redknapp for wanting to do the same thing as Ferguson actually did just re-enforces the fact that he's a hypocrite. Redknapp wanted to prevent his players from aggravating existing injuries from the prior game when we were in a relegation battle. That is a far more pressing reason than Ferguson not liking the pitch. Yet still Ferguson dived behind the rule book when it suited him. He forced Redknapp to play an unfit squad just so he can't be seen to be breaching the rule.

As for your claim about youth players, well that's what the Premier League, League Cup, reserve games, etc is for. If Man Utd don't want to abide by the rules they should just quit the FA Cup for good. They've done it before after all.

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plenty of other teams to the same though. Teams like Bolton and Blackburn make no secret of the fact they want to get knocked out and concentrate on the league.

Wenger fields kids all the time and he has Adebayour and Fabregas available and they are 30m each.

Until the prize fund for the FA Cup matches the league or European Cup then teams won't treat it the same

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If SAF has broken the rules I'm sure the FA would have acted by now.

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I honestly don't remember Ferguson saying that about Redknapp, do you have a link?

Well if they are the rules we broke them, but so has nearly every other premier league club, probably every season they've participated in the the FA cup. I wonder why the FA don't do something about it? Probably because they realise the FA cup is not as important as the league and Champions league and is used by big clubs to help progress younger players.

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There's to many rules in football now. There's to many complaints in footballs now. Theres to many silly dives and fouls in football now. I feel that alot of footballers and managers and officials etc etc are losing sight of what football is all about and thats love of the game. These days its to much looking for anyway to exploit a rule or anything to blame. The newpapers dont help either with there stupid headlines getting people wound up.

Dont get me wrong football is also about the good debate between fans but I feel as its going to far at times :(

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Yeah Fergie really got stuck into Redknapp about that :rolleyes:

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I thought that might be the case, but things like that don't stop the anti United brigade ;)

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oooo good find :tu:

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Fair enough I was wrong about Ferguson being a hypocrite over the team selection issue. I'm sure you 3 will have a good laugh in your rep comments about it.

And i'm not anti-United. I'm not even anti-Ferguson. But when I believe he's in the wrong, i'll say so. If I make a genuine mistake, i'll admit it.

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Paranoia rules OK?

SAF has not done anything that other managers don't do, the difference being he's one of the highest profile bosses so when he says something more people are likely to respond to it. All day across the web I've seen comments from people having a laugh at SAF for "blaming the pitch for United losing" when he's done nothing of the sort.

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is a little something that made Ferguson jump.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmP6PpWNwOE

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I am hoping the Arsenal will do us a favour tonight and beat Liverpool, but it seems that Arsenal will be fielding an under strength side. Oh well.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...em/8000555.stm

Come on Arsenal.

I can't believe I said that :erm:

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So Arsenal are fielding an understrength side in a league match, I could never imagine any other team doing such a thing.




Oh I nearly forgot Manchester United did it on Sunday in the FA Cup Final and lost[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]

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Arsenal have got no problems jobbing to Liverpool if means helping to stop United finishing top. I predict a scouse bloodbath :(

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United did not field an understrength side in a LEAGUE match and FYI it wasn't the FA Cup Final.

Please get your facts right.:rolleyes:

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Difference being, United did it in a cup match, not a key league match. ;)

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It was still quite funny:D

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Gimme a break, Arsenal want to win. We are not completely clear of 5th and we are chasing 3rd if we can, especially considering 4th place is not as good a place for Champions League last year.

The injuries are the main reason for the weakened side. I don't know why United have it in for Arsenal so much but Arsenal want to finish as high as possible and don't care who wins the league. It's not us :(.

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I think all Spurs fans must be loving the fact that ******* Berba, has been described as lazy and arrogant, and not playing to his potential, and his performance on Sunday for Man Utd was a disgrace to United, that is WHY we wanted to get rid of him.

When he came up for that penalty, l told my son that he WOULD score, but he was a disgrace to that famous Utd shirt, the sooner Utd sell him the better.

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Yes, funny that a supposed under-strength United matched Everton ball for ball for 2 hours ;)

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They always say its the result that matters.

Not an Everton fan or a United fan.

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I guess that means it doesn't matter what side he puts out then ;)

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I feel SO dirty but......come on Gooners!!! :D

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Arsenal need another, crappy crappy defending.

EDIT: Well there you go...

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Dare i say it? Come on you gooners

3-2 whats going on lol

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Aghhhhh

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Great, i knew i shouldn't have shown my support lol

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Well I don't think you can claim Arsenal didn't come to win, the defence is so bad though.

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Liverpool conceding 3 at home?? Squeeky bum time scousers!!

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I reckon Arsenal should get a penalty each time Liverpool score - make it much more fun then :D

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To be fair they were facing the overwhelming force of the Arsenal front line. :D Unfortunately they also faced the cardboard defence of the 2nd string Arsenal defenders. :rolleyes: Awful Awful Awful.

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Conceding 4 goals against Chelsea, at least 3 against Arsenal, definitely looking like the nerves are getting to Liverpool now.

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It's like Chelsea v Liverpool all over again - terrible defending

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Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Loads of extra time left :(

and bingo

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Really awful defending but not a bad result, Would have taken it at the start of the game. Although really disappointed that we didn't win after scoring in the 89th minute.

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Well done Arsenal, thanks for that, we still hate you though :)

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Wow, what a game. People seriously thought Arshavin wouldn't cut it in England or he was too expensive? 4 shots, 4 on target, 4 goals. What a player; if only we'd signed him last summer when the rumours began!

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Did Martin Tyler really say you don't get games as good as this anywhere else in the world? :banghead::banghead:

Try watching some football from other countries Martin, here is an example for you...

Atletico Madrid 4 - Barcelona 3

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Conceding 8 goals in the last 2 games, pretty obvious the Scousers can't handle nerves. Still, along with their runner's up medals this year they'll be happy with the fact they put 4 goals past all of the big 3 clubs ;)

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Indeed. Comments like that are really irritating. Matches like this happen in practically every league in the world.

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Your welcome, least we can do considering we're about to drunk ya out of the Champions League tbh. ;)

So disappointed and pretty pleased at the same time. It was a good result in that few thought we would be able to get considering the amount of injuries we had. Although that was kind of correct because our defence was awful!

We were very good in attack though, so gives me hope considering our defence is back soon. :)

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Such a shame Arshavin won't be playing ;)

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Our main two forwards were out though ;)

Russ said Arsenal would 'job' to Liverpool. :D Come on Russ :D

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Well to be fair (and pedantic :D) I didn't say they would, just that they wouldn't have a problem with it - but who cares, the point is we're now level with the scousers with 2 games in hand :D

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Your welcome to it :) Man United: Champions of England. Arsenal: Champions of Europe. :cool: It's all good...

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.....if largely doubtful :D

With a defence like that, I can't see Arsenal going all the way.

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Oh that defence was awful. So annoyed, I seriously think we should have taken all 3 points. 4 - 3 up in the 89th minute? The defence STILL manages to waste it? If I was Arshavin I would so angry at that :mad:

But our real defence will be back soon and hopefully in the summer we will improve our backline.

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Watching Gerrard squirm on sky sports post match was priceless, a point gained rather than two points dropped Stevie? Yeah, right :D

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Anywhere showing highlights? Feel gutted to have missed it! 4 goals conceded at Anfield is a sight never to be missed! :D

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Yeah, I loved how he kept repeating 'how important that point might be'. You could tell in his face he knew the league was lost.

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I was listening to the 2nd half on the radio, in a poor reception area. Can anyone tell me why we had 5 mins of extra time? Was it just to make sure liverpool have a chance to score?

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No, that only happens at Old Trafford.

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I would have thought there being six goals in the second half before injury time would have meant a fair bit of time added on. But the ref actually played over six minutes of injury, that was to make sure Liverpool had a chance to get a winner ;)

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You know all the Liverpool supporters who say United always get extra time at home to score....notice they're a bit thin on the ground today? ;)

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I just thought we were short on Liverpool supporters mouthing off in this thread! :D

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here you can have a looksie ;)

http://www.football.virginmedia.com/...ssetId=4505715

what a game that must've been..

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I wish I could have watched it, looks like it was an amazing match.

If there was no reason for the 6 minutes or extra time, it shouldn't have been added. Maybe the ref wanted Liverpool to win, who knows. He should be disciplined anyway, as should any ref who adds long periods of extra time for no reason. But like that's going to happen.

It sounds like Ashavin caused havoc in Liverpools defence.

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My prediction for tonights game Man Utd 2 Portsmouth 3

And ******* Berba won't be playing.

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Bodes well for other teams then, if Liverpool are creaking at the last fences! :D

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In the words of Glenn Quagmire - heh heh, alriiiight :D

(Rooney just scored)

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We've missed so many chances tonight, finishing has been poor.

It's wrapped up now though 2-0, 3 points clear with a game in hand :D

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And chelsea only get a point! Great midweek for us! :D

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Made hard work of it tonight, still not firing on all cylinders. Probably holding a little something back, because of all the fixtures coming up. Tottenham next, who we have a good record against, but I think it will be a close affair.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...wn/8013572.stm

Roy, your wasted there!!

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Nominations have gone in for PFA and Footballer of the year, l bet you any money, that Diver Ronaldo wins both of them.

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this is something that really annoys be about modern football. We are told the refs add on 30 seconds for each sub and a min for scoring a goal so if both teams made all their subs and scored a few goals then that would add up to 3 mins for the subs and a few mins for the goals. But then if one of the teams tried to waste time or there was an injury there could be another 4-5 mins to go on top of that but then it would look stupid having 10 mins each game.