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Well i have my doubts that what you are seeing in that speed test is correct lets put it that way ;).

Lets just see when the time comes who is correct on the upstream side of things.

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why would I bother lying? I've been a member of this forum since 2003 its not like I made this account to try and fool you into thinking I've got 10mb cable is it? what more can I do?

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does this help at all? or am i still lying?

Its only showing up at that speed as torrentstorm is running too, probably slowing it down a bit.

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Looks good to me.

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I've been reading this thread for weeks, now it's starting to look interesting :D

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a urine sample perhaps? so we can be sure you're not taking the pee!

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Just for the fun of it I typed in the url for the speedtest, which can be found here:http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/sp...c2d7e44bfe1f38

Also the cache server address does start 62.252 - If he's taking the pee, it's a good long one. We just need someone else from Luton to confirm !

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Wow maybe the upgrades have actually started? :)

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Dazzuko, maybe you should post a screen shot of your modem config as well and then people maybe a little more convinced.

Just a thought.

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OK :angel:

Having made some phone calls this morning, I might be about to withdraw what i said about the upload. :LOL:


:angel:

Now who looks :dunce: :D

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just to confirm the NTL 10mb is rolling out in east London a friend has just been upgraded to 10MB

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has NTL released any offical statement about this ?

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i have not seen anythink am going to give them a bell after see if i can get any info he has deffo been upgraded doh

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will it be like the last upgrades where we can maually upgrad using the ntl web page..


Is NTL doing area's ? I thought they would release country wide like they did on the 1.5 and 3mb upgrades..

cheers

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i hope so when i was last on 1mb i just unplugged the modem and 3mb when rebooted but the funny thing is they never sent me a letter or email it had been out for a bit only when i phone the lady on the phone she said to do that lol hope its the same where you just unplugged modem reboot sorted

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I never look at my NTL email account so it would never reach me there, and a mail out to all customers, or a targeted one would be pretty expensive, 20+p to mail it, plus the cost to print eac batch etc. Do you want to add that to the cost of your BB bill?

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Well I can confirm now that I have been testing the new speeds for the past week, giving feedback on speeds, and any other issues, and have constantly been downloading at 8mb speeds, email copied below, link to the speed result page, and my feedback page removed:


And then:

I can post speed test results if needed, and yes I'm in the Herts area, which comes under Luton. I've been very happy so far, I just hope they dont take it away now the trial has ended :Yikes:

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512k upload sounds pretty good although 1mb would of been better I'm not one to complain. Any increase is welcomed.

In terms of download rate, it will be interesting to see what averages people will get. If, at the moment, we are only seeing 8mb how on earth can NTL advertise the product as 10mb. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing NTL or complaining.

I guess we need to see more results before jumping on the NTL bashing wagon :D

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Well we all know adsl drops over distance, its not the same with cable surely?

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Just to point out this is trials not the commercial rollout!

Have to point this out before too many people complain about a product that isn't even released yet.

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No but maintaining high speeds gives more congestion. Think of the pipe from your house to the network as a lane on a motorway. Now NTL have just changed the speed limit sticker, so now instead of doing 30 mph you can do 100mph. Now a congested road with everyone doing 30 results in everyone moving along steadily at 30 and getting there in the end. If you try to drive at 100mph on the motorway (before you get nicked) you will find you regularly have to slow to 60-70 when slower moving traffic (or in a network scenareo - traffic) is in front of you. Hence up to 10Mb. You should find at 3am when no-one else is on the road / network you can easily keep to 100mph / 10Mb, but at 6pm when everyone is going home there is no chance, even though the speed limit says it is OK to do so.

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Well it's nice to see we get a better upload speed than Telewest :D

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So don't you think that NTL are wrong to release such a product if they are trying to squeeze so much down a small pipe ?

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8mbit is still faster than 3mbit, and you never know, they may have chosen that area as it has particually high usage.

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True, I guess we will have to wait and see. I'm sure the coming week will reveal more details as more people get on it.

I just have this thought in the back of my mind we are never going to see 10mb. Ntl might as well be saying it's 'up to' 100mb. It's pointless if you never get that speed. Saying you'll get it at 4am is not really a valid response.

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True, but all my NIC cards are 100mb, my router is supposedly 100mb, but PC-PC traffic is not 100mb, not even at 4am. Who do I complain to there?

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I am just happy about the upload speed of 512k :dunce: it should fly compared to the 300k I have now :)

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Yes I understand what you are saying but I don't think people will see it in the same light. When NTL or anyone else advertise numbers, ie 10mb, that's what people will expect.

I imagine nearly all ISP's will have this issue in the future and some careful marketing will need to be addressed.

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I'm not sure - user of this and similar boards may care whether they are getting 10Mb or not, your average user will just notice that their BB got one helluva lot faster (1 or 2Mb to 10Mb) Even if that is 1>8 or 2>8 most of the time that is still at least 4x quicker.

Most users will not go to a BB speed checker and find out whether they are actually getting 10Mb at 7pm. Most users will just notice that their pages load propmptly and their email sends and recieves quicker.

Gamers (possibly a more specialilsed subset) will notice if their pings get higher due to traffic congestion at UBRs but that will be a wait and see / traffic management issue.

Back to the car analagy - my car handbook says it goes at 130mph, does it - I don't know, but it certainly goes fast enough for everyday use. To consider the increase in other terms, if someone told me my commute to work would be reduced to 1/5 of the current time most of the time, but sometimes this new improved commute speed would mean that it took the same time as it currently does or some time between I would be happy. Maybe the marketing will move away from speed at some point, especially as at 10Mb we are hitting a point where additional speed will not benefit the end user greatly, bit like cars that have top speeds of 130, 150, 180 mph, really does not benefit the user day to day.

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SmellyKiper is this true about non customers getting it before us thats BS :td: :td: :mad: :mad:

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pings must be the 0-60 equivalent then :)

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Well I've just rebooted my modem and it's still on the same speed as before.

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The only time I run a speed test is if I feel things are not quite what they should be. I'm quite happy with the speed I'm on but any increase is welcome.

All I'm saying is when a company advertise a speed, there are going to be a small group of people unhappy they are not getting it. The same goes for ADSL Max, again, anything up to 8mb. Some people may only get 4mb. You can imagine the pointless discussion on Dog Watch, sorry I mean Watch Dog.

Like I said, careful marketing is required.

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Question, as some members are NTL workers, wouldnt NTL be informed very soon about this. how easy is it too identify and stop?

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you dont choose a car based on speed but when you choose an internet service, the main factor when selling it is speed.

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But they are regularly sold on speed. The point of this is that the "upto" in the adverts will require better explanations, in the same way you can do up to 70mph on the M25 but you certainly would not expect to be able to do that around Heathrow at 8am.

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This has been covered in many threads already, we can't do those with negative intent any favours by discussing what NTL do as a counter measure. Needless to say, it will be a known issue.

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Speed will always be quoted for marketing for any ISP product and people should expect to get the quoted speed. It's going to take some major players in the ISP business to move away from 'speed' as an issue. Even if a 50mb product was available today it would still be sold as a 50mb product. No-one needs 50mb, we all know that but how are you going to label it.

We can all use comparisons when talking about 'up to' 10mb but I seriouly believe people will expect to get it. For those that know how to check anyway ;-)

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I seriously expect to be able to drive at 70mph on the M25 in the rush hour, I pay my road fund licence, I pay my taxes, why can't I do that. ISPs need to better educate their users about these contention lines in the small print, else the issue will become more contentious.

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What good would that do? No one reads the small print, and those that say they do are usually liars.

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I'm not going to go on and on about this but... road fund license is a tax we all have to pay, we have no choice. We *choose* to spend nearly £38 a month on an internet connection at a quoted speed and people will expect to get that.

I think it really just boils down to how NTL or any other ISP advertise the product.

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that's why it shouldnt be small print.

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How about this for a radical idea:

Why don't NTL advertise an 8mb product but set the downstream rate at 10mb. Every one will be please that on occasion they get 10mb but most of the time 8mb, which they paid for.

Why advertise a product they may not be able to provide for the masses.

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or perhaps we're making too much of a fuss over nothing here - the speed test results aren't necessarily a true indication of the live product. it could well be that they are running tests at 8meg for some customers and 10meg for others. what we need is one of these people on 8meg to try a speedtest at 4 in the morning and let us know the results!

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.....and perhaps waiting 'til we actually have the upgrade before we comment on the speed.

I'll be happy with an 8Mb or 10Mb, still paying the same as I do now for a 3Mb which is great anyway.

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Yeah I think you are right. People can make their own mind up when the product is launched nationally. Most people are going to be happy with a 'fast' internet connection.

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I still think that selling a 8mb product but setting the downstream to 10mb is a good idea though :D Do you think I should suggest it to NTL :dunce:

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Here we are bemoaning 10mb or 8mb, when people like Chris T only got Broadband to his house last month, even then the likelyhood of his BT line ever offering much above 2mb is remote.

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My mate is stuck on 512k adsl. I pitty him sometimes ;)

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Has NTL released anymore information officially about the upgrades?

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I don't pay 'road fund license'.

Some people *choose* to have internet connections, some people *choose* to drive cars.

Anyway, isn't this getting a bit :notopic: ??

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Maybe NTL should introduce a variable speed limit, it works pretty well on the M25 ;)

:edit: hmm was a joke, but maybe it could work, slower speeds at peak times to avoid conjestion. One of these car analogies finally paid off! :p:

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Sounds like a good idea, or is that off topic! :D

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well on ntlhell one employee has said that ntl are testing in some areas 10mb , so the rollout hasnt started yet as far as i know

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it aint started to roll but it's nice to have some news.

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I wish they tested in my area :angel: LOL

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Can someone who thinks they are on the 10mb service please post a screenshot of your modem config ?

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Regarding people saying "You don't need 10 meg"

GUFF

Of course you do!

If i'm downlaoding a patch for a game thats 30meg, and I can download it in 20 seconds instead of 1 min, then DAMN right I need that.

Its all about time, why wait for something to download?? The sooner stuff downloads the better!

Normal use covers everything, surfing, email attachments, watching movie trailers in HD, speed is EVERYTHING baby!

Not just Warez.

Comparing it to the analogy of driving a car is rubbish.

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sorry for coming in late, and there is a lot of pages to this thread, but what will the upgrades be?

people are chatting about 10Mb, but what will the tiers be?

£17 = 5mb @ 30gb per month
£24 = 8mb @ 50gb per month
£30 = 10mb @ 70gb per month

Above is just an example of what I am wanting to know, and when roughly are they going to roll this out?

sorry if this has been asked before, but with the long thread, I am sure I would miss the information.

ik

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no the tiers will all be 10 meg with a different cap for each apparently.

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No. You WANT it, you don't need it. You still get your download, you just get to half read an email in the minute it takes.

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on an NTL statement a few months ago, they did say that all tiers would have 10mb but with different usage allowance, or somthing to those words...

They also mentioned a speed boost button where you can boost you cable connection when you need the extra bw..

still waiting though:dunce:

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You could say the same about dial up and broadband.....:erm: and i would never go back on dial up now lol.

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I find this a bit strange, what if you have a download limit of say 30gb, and you happily do this for a few months, and suddenly in a couple of days you exceed it, by downloading, updates for all your programs needs, and play games while doing it, not to mention streaming radio, will the person automatically get stopped or billed?

ik

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prob somethng like this

£17 = 10mb @ 3gb per month
£24 = 10mb @ 35gb per month
£35 = 10mb @ 75gb per month

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LoL what would be the point of this tier!?

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so they are kind of forcing you to take the top 2, if not the top one........

HHhhhhhmmmmmmmmmm, I may have to think about this one, when it is rolling out, when it rolls out, you are not automatically entered into a new years contract, is this correct?

ik

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My folks use the internet once or twice a week to check emails and shop. As such this tarrif would suit them as the little bit they do could be done faster.

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True, but if it downloaded in 25 seconds instead, do you care? You are already 35 seconds better off, and in any case the reason it might take 25, or 30 seconds could be that the server serving all these 30meg files is bandwidth constrained, not you, you now have as much or more bandwidth than many servers.

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Applying the same logic then, you don't need BB at all, Hey guys! Stop the speed Increaese, 1400 is fine for all!

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The same reason that peole like my parents are happy to be upgraded to the 1Mb / 3Gb from the 300k / unlimited. They do a little surfing, send a little email, download the automatic updates, AV patterns, just those pages / activities happen 3x faster. Now they will happen 30x faster.

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My mate in Eastcote NW London is on Telewest.Have they had the 8MB/10MB out long?

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its crap, i bet they don't release it to 'set top box' customers untill like 2 yrs yet. because to get 2MB i had to get a new set top box, that could power that much... so yet another set top box to be 'made' what crap ntl are, can't wait to move.

http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/sp...6227acc2465d6a

how pooey is that.. I'm stuck with that..

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O_o

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I dont think they should have everybody on the same speed.....I think its a REALLY bad idea :(

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I wonder if they have worked on any packages for the new speed,i'm currently on the 1MB as part of the 3 for £30 deal.

Sorry if this has already been asked.

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Imo, it would be ideal to go

Package 1: 1mb > 3mb
Package 2: 2mb > 8mb
Package 3: 3mb > 10mb

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Why, your average user is not going to change their emailing, surfing habits because they can go faster, they will just do it faster.

Also from things Jimbo has said, effectivly this data comes racing over to the UBR as fast as the internal NLT network can carry it, the UBR then feeds it out to you at the pace that your account is set to recieve it at. Now I don't know how the packets are stored at the UBR, but by slowing these users down may create congestion at the UBR that could impact the 10mb users. You would need a techy UBR type person to clarify that.

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yeah but there is plenty of P2P and illegal material downloaders on 1meg that are at least restricted by the speed, which when they go 10meg won't be, can see a major hit on the network when we all go 10meg

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That's about right for a 2meg line. And why are they crap because you had to have a new STB? If you were really that desperate for 2meg you could have a SACM fitted...

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SACM?
also: crap because im going to have to wait until they make a new set top box..

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Standalone Cable Modem, why will you have to wait until they make a new box, and by the way NTL do not make "boxes" they are made by 3rd party companies and NTL just has to twiddle their thumbs until a new one capable of what they want to do arrives.

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SACM
Stand Alone Cable Modem

And if you have a new silver samsung then you will NOT have to wait for a new box to be made as it can easily acheive speeds upto 38mbit(IIRC)

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Where is the proff of that speed? yes i have a new samsung,
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also i didnt say, Until NTL make a new set top box..

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I agree fully with the comments about everyone been upgraded to 10mbit. There is going to be congestion at peak time no doubt about that the question is how will it be managed. I really hope ignition was right and there is going to be traffic shaping because on the current congestion we are getting packet loss etc. Are NTL planning on rolling this out without upgrading their congested peering as well?

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the best way to manage congestion is to upgrade the network so it can handle the speeds NTL are upgrading to.

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Because I do not agree with people paying for more GB's of bandwidth. Broadband should be unlimited and you should pay for the speed you require and do what you wish with your connection. You should not have to be checking how many GB's you have downloaded this month.....They are calling it an "Upgrade", but it could also be a called downgrade because they will be enforcing caps on everybody.

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You lads all have the 10MB line and download whatever you like when you like.I'll stay on 1MB but at 10% of the price :D :D


Well i can only dream. :p:

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Makes me laugh. Everyone is quick to fire in about Speeds and Caps and anything else they might complain about should they have the 10Mb line.

But none of you have it yet, you've not even experienced a week of a 10Mb line let alone a month to complain about a Cap which most people wont even go over.

Wait til you actually have something before you complain about it.

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Foooooking hell!

Just got home and htought I'd give that speed test a go..

Downstream7192 Kbps (899.0 KB/sec)7767 Kbps (inc. overheads)Upstream488 Kbps (61.0 KB/sec)527 Kbps (inc. overheads)



CASHBACK!!!



Romsey in Hants if your interested, fed out of Andover IIRC!!

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All the peoples speed increases look alot like 8mbit and not 10mbit....

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I haven't read the entire thread but what happened to the uncapped tier? I thought the top one was going to be uncapped. Or is this just people speculating?

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maybe 8mbit is one of the new unlimited tiers :shocked:


(although I doubt it :erm: )

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I keep pulling the handle but all I get is three lemons.
Come on NTL, Oldham needs testing.

BTW. Looks like "the Bloke in the Pub" was almost right when he said October speed update. ;)
What month are we now, disbelievers? :D

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But if they're all 10 meg how can it be?

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Because they also said they would be having 3 unlimited tiers too :)

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? where did it say 3. I seem to remember this myself but cannot remember where it was posted. i don't want to be seen as one that makes wacky statements :LOL:
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Oldham. Not if i have my way :) more like Warrington needs testing :LOL:

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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/...ed-as-standard It says on there they will also offer a series of unlimited products that have no caps and since there are 3 tiers now I am guessing they will have 3 unlimited tiers priced 17.99, 24.99 and 37.99 a month.