Cable Forum - U.S Election 2020

Another court case denied - the Judge’s comments are pretty brutal.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/...330.10.0_1.pdf

Some of the comments from the judgement

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To say that Plaintiffs’ 116-page Complaint, replete with 310 footnotes, is prolix would be a gross understatement. After explicitly disclaiming any theory of fraud, see ECF No. 1 (Complaint), ¶ 44 (“This lawsuit is not about voter fraud.”), Plaintiffs spend scores of pages cataloguing every conceivable discrepancy or irregularity in the 2020 vote in the five relevant states, already debunked or not, most of which they nonetheless describe as a species of fraud.

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Plaintiffs’ theory that all of these laws are unconstitutional and that the Court should instead require state legislatures themselves to certify every Presidential election lies somewhere between a willful misreading of the Constitution and fantasy.

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Plaintiffs readily acknowledge that their position also means that the Supreme Court’s decisions in Bush v. Gore, 531 U.S. 98 (2000), and Texas v. Pennsylvania, No. 155 (Orig.), 2020 WL 7296814 (U.S. Dec. 11, 2020), “are in constitutional error.” Compl., ¶ 76. They do not, however, explain how this District Court has authority to disregard Supreme Court precedent. Nor do they ever mention why they have waited until seven weeks after the election to bring this action and seek a preliminary injunction based on purportedly unconstitutional statutes that have existed for decades — since 1948 in the case of the federal ones. It is not a stretch to find a serious lack of good faith here.

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Yet even that may be letting Plaintiffs off the hook too lightly. Their failure to make any effort to serve or formally notify any Defendant — even after reminder by the Court in its Minute Order — renders it difficult to believe that the suit is meant seriously. Courts are not instruments through which parties engage in such gamesmanship or symbolic political gestures. As a result, at the conclusion of this litigation, the Court will determine whether to issue an order to show cause why this matter should not be referred to its Committee on Grievances for potential discipline of Plaintiffs’ counsel.

Mick	04-01-2021 20:52

Re: U.S Election 2020

Why are we still discussing court cases? (And yes, I can ask this).

Electors have chosen their president, there is no going back, all legal routes are exhausted.

So Biden will be the next president with a serious health problem.

Hugh	04-01-2021 21:01

Re: U.S Election 2020

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065216)

Because Trump supporters are still challenging the Election, including Senators and Representatives who intend to try and negate the Election results on the 6th January, and are also using these falsehoods in the run-off Elections in Georgia, which could decide who has the Senate Majority?

Stephen

04-01-2021 21:17

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Biden in great health, physically and mentally.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/mee...456#blogHeader

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Critics of the former vice president’s age often suggest the septuagenarian is mentally and physically too old to be president, however, O'Connor makes no mention of any mental deficiencies, stating that Biden’s last physical showed his that his “cranial nerves and vestibular function are normal.”

Mick	04-01-2021 21:22

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36065219)

They can try all they like, it won't amount to anything. Trump will be relegated to the history books from the 20th January, as is duty bound by their Constitution.

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36065232)

Biden in great health, physically and mentally.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/mee...456#blogHeader

An opinion from well over a year ago, a lots happened since then and there has been plenty of gaffes which say otherwise about his mental health.

I do not deny he is in good physical condition, but I argue his cognitive issues are troublesome and they cannot be denied or excused.

1andrew1

04-01-2021 21:43

Re: U.S Election 2020

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065234)

He's been making those stammer-related talking gaffes since day one. They've certainly not just happened after the December 2019 report as you infer.

Mick	04-01-2021 21:48

Re: U.S Election 2020

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36065241)

He's been making those stammer-related talking gaffes since day one. They've certainly not just happened after the December 2019 report as you infer.

No he hasn't, you go back to the speeches he made when he was Vice President which was not that long ago, 5 years ago. His speeches were clear and concise.

Those gaffes are not just stammer-related. He is in Cognitive decline. You cannot excuse very clear signs of it.

Paul	04-01-2021 21:52

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36065241)

He's been making those stammer-related talking gaffes since day one. They've certainly not just happened after the December 2019 report as you infer.

So Ive re-read the recent posts - where exactly was it said this is only since Dec 2019 ?

The only inference i can see is he is getting worse, as would be expected in someone getting older. Something you will find out if you make it that far yourself.

1andrew1

04-01-2021 22:08

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065242)

He's never been a great speaker though he's doubtless pleased to stumble across someone who thinks he was. And he acknowledged he was gaffe-prone in 2018.

Before the medical report from December 2019, he made plenty of gaffes. Nothing has changed in this respect.* https://nypost.com/article/worst-joe-biden-gaffes/

* Actually, something probably has changed. The fake videos lapped up by Trump's faithful followers.

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The Trump campaign and its surrogates have seized on Democratic nominee Joe Biden’s age and have been painting him as mentally unfit for the presidency. Videos of Biden falling asleep during an interview, misspeaking about the dangers of “Joe Biden’s America” and appearing lost during a campaign event have bolstered the belief, particularly among Trump supporters, that Biden is in cognitive decline.

There’s just one problem: None of these videos are what they seem, and some of the events depicted didn’t happened at all. Technological developments have made it easier for people to produce seemingly real videos that are anything but. These deceptively altered videos have become a major element of disinformation campaigns that wield falsehoods in an effort to sway voters.

https://theconversation.com/faked-vi...-health-145975

Mick	04-01-2021 22:22

Re: U.S Election 2020

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36065248)

He was never a great speaker?

Andrew, may I introduce to you,

Joe Biden, 2008:

And meet Joe Biden, 12 years later.... 2020:

1andrew1

04-01-2021 23:00

Re: U.S Election 2020

Gaffe's a plenty from Biden here dating back to 1974!

Feast your ears on some classic moments including my favourite:
"John's last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number one job facing the middle class and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word, jobs, JOBS, jobs. :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFcRbttIUNk

Mick	05-01-2021 00:46

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36065258)

Gaffes a plenty, yeah, most from last year or two. :rolleyes:

The difference to young Biden vs. old Biden speaking is obvious. Like Paul has suggested, anyone who thinks Biden is not in cognitive decline, is nuts.

1andrew1

05-01-2021 01:17

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36065273)

I'm not sure Paul has suggested anything other than state the fact that everyone's mental abilities reduce with age. That's not in dispute, the question is whether Biden gaffes are due to something other than dementia.

The gaffes on this video are:
No. 1 - 2007
No. 2 - 1974
No. 3 - 2008
No. 4 - 2015
No. 5 - 2019
No. 6 - 2018
No. 7 - 2008
No. 8 - 2007
No. 9 - 2008
No. 10 - 2006
No. 11 - 2015
No. 12 - 2013
No. 13 - 2007

They clearly show a long career of being gaff prone! Years for his most top gaffes on this video were back in 2007 and 2008 with three each.

Has the rate of gaffes increased since his medical examination in December 2019? No one has proved this one way or the other as far as I can see.

Obviously, Biden is likely to have made far more speeches in 2020 as a Presidential Candidate and President Elect than in earlier years... and the more speeches he makes, the more gaffes he makes! I should state that the key indicator is the rate of gaffes and not the total number of gaffes Biden makes makes.