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RichardCoulter 13-05-2023 04:20
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Vietnam is to make site owners verify a person's identity before they can post on user generated sites.

This is to help prevent scams and will also help to prevent trolling, harrassment etc.

Sounds like a good idea to me. If people are prepared to do/say something on the interbet, they should be prepared to explain why they did it and face the consequences and I will be mentioning this when I am next in contact with Ofcom. They will no longer be able to hide behind some silly made up name, instead they will be personally identifiable and connected to any inappropriate behaviour.

When their reputation, education/employment opportunities are at stake, i'm sure that their behaviour will improve dramatically.

jfman 13-05-2023 08:22
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36151744)
Vietnam is to make site owners verify a person's identity before they can post on user generated sites.

This is to help prevent scams and will also help to prevent trolling, harrassment etc.

Sounds like a good idea to me. If people are prepared to do/say something on the interbet, they should be prepared to explain why they did it and face the consequences and I will be mentioning this when I am next in contact with Ofcom. They will no longer be able to hide behind some silly made up name, instead they will be personally identifiable and connected to any inappropriate behaviour.

When their reputation, education/employment opportunities are at stake, i'm sure that their behaviour will improve dramatically.
Sounds like fascism.

Hugh 13-05-2023 09:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36151744)
Vietnam is to make site owners verify a person's identity before they can post on user generated sites.

This is to help prevent scams and will also help to prevent trolling, harrassment etc.

Sounds like a good idea to me. If people are prepared to do/say something on the interbet, they should be prepared to explain why they did it and face the consequences and I will be mentioning this when I am next in contact with Ofcom. They will no longer be able to hide behind some silly made up name, instead they will be personally identifiable and connected to any inappropriate behaviour.

When their reputation, education/employment opportunities are at stake, i'm sure that their behaviour will improve dramatically.
When you start a proposal by using as an example a country whose Human Rights record is appalling, you may not be making the argument you think you are…

https://www.hrw.org/asia/vietnam

Quote:
Vietnam’s human rights record remains dire in virtually all areas. The ruling Communist Party maintains a monopoly on political power and allows no challenge to its leadership. Basic rights are severely restricted, including freedoms of speech and the media, public assembly, association, and conscience and religion.

GrimUpNorth 13-05-2023 11:20
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36151744)
Vietnam is to make site owners verify a person's identity before they can post on user generated sites.

This is to help prevent scams and will also help to prevent trolling, harrassment etc.

Sounds like a good idea to me. If people are prepared to do/say something on the interbet, they should be prepared to explain why they did it and face the consequences and I will be mentioning this when I am next in contact with Ofcom. They will no longer be able to hide behind some silly made up name, instead they will be personally identifiable and connected to any inappropriate behaviour.

When their reputation, education/employment opportunities are at stake, i'm sure that their behaviour will improve dramatically.
Be careful what you wish for, because you'd be required to follow the same signing up requirements so stuff you say could back to haunt you too. And let's face it, you've got form for the odd bit of unpopular (outspoken?) posting too. Just saying.

1andrew1 13-05-2023 13:58
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36151744)
Vietnam is to make site owners verify a person's identity before they can post on user generated sites.

This is to help prevent scams and will also help to prevent trolling, harrassment etc.

Sounds like a good idea to me. If people are prepared to do/say something on the interbet, they should be prepared to explain why they did it and face the consequences and I will be mentioning this when I am next in contact with Ofcom. They will no longer be able to hide behind some silly made up name, instead they will be personally identifiable and connected to any inappropriate behaviour.

When their reputation, education/employment opportunities are at stake, i'm sure that their behaviour will improve dramatically.
Or more probably to ensure dissenters can be identified and punished and free speech deterred.

Itshim 13-05-2023 17:30
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Vietnam , really

Paul 13-05-2023 18:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36151744)
Vietnam is to make site owners verify a person's identity before they can post on user generated sites.

This is to help prevent scams and will also help to prevent trolling, harrassment etc.
LOL, seriously, you actually believe that bull ?

Its so they can identify anyone who posts things they dont like.

Jaymoss 13-05-2023 18:41
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another thing easily circumnavigated by a vpn

Sirius 13-05-2023 18:52
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36151785)
another thing easily circumnavigated by a vpn
Lets face it there are lots of ways to get around any restrictions that are put in place.

RichardCoulter 13-05-2023 21:58
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
How would a VPN help if site owners are required to first verify the identity of a petson before they are allowed to post user generated content?

I accept the comments made about Vietnam, but the UK isn't like that.

Another measure that I have been asked to suggest at the next meeting is fir new recipients to have push payments delayed by 24chours. This would give the person time to think about or seek advice about what they have done and cancel the transfer of funds/contact their bank.

Sadly, the UK is now the most scammed place in the world and the most contacted place by organised scam call centres in Pakistan & Russia.

There is BBC evidence that the former are paying the police off and I'm sure that Putin will be happy to see our most vulnerable ripped off. Maybe funds from UK people are actually buying weapons yo fund this terrible war!!

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36151761)
Be careful what you wish for, because you'd be required to follow the same signing up requirements so stuff you say could back to haunt you too. And let's face it, you've got form for the odd bit of unpopular (outspoken?) posting too. Just saying.
Being able to identify and trace thise making inappropriate comments etc isn't all about punishment.

This will also help to identify and obtain treatment for those doing it due to neuro diversity, mental health issues etc. In such cases it wouldn't be appropriate to publicly identify/humiliate them etc, but to ensure that support mechanisms are in place.

Jaymoss 13-05-2023 21:59
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36151794)
How would a VPN help if site owners are required to first verify the identity of a petson before they are allowed to post user generated content?

I accept the comments made about Vietnam, but the UK isn't like that.

Another measure that I have been asked to suggest at the next meeting is fir new recipients to have push payments delayed by 24chours. This would give the person time to think about or seek advice about what they have done and cancel the transfer of funds/contact their bank.

Sadly, the UK is now the most scammed place in the world and the most contacted place by organised scam call centres in Pakistan & Russia.

There is BBC evidence that the former are paying the police off and I'm sure that Putin will be happy to see our most vulnerable ripped off. Maybe funds from UK people are actually buying weapons yo fund this terrible war!!

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Being able to identify and trace thise making inappropriate comments etc isn't all about punishment.

This will also help to identify and obtain treatment for those doing it due to neuro diversity, mental health issues etc. In such cases it wouldn't be appropriate to publicly identify/humiliate them etc, but to ensure that support mechanisms are in place.

Because you are not in the country so the laws do not apply

GrimUpNorth 14-05-2023 00:21
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36151794)
Being able to identify and trace thise making inappropriate comments etc isn't all about punishment.

This will also help to identify and obtain treatment for those doing it due to neuro diversity, mental health issues etc. In such cases it wouldn't be appropriate to publicly identify/humiliate them etc, but to ensure that support mechanisms are in place.
Where are all the people qualified to diagnose all these people going to come from?

RichardCoulter 14-05-2023 06:07
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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36151799)
Where are all the people qualified to diagnose all these people going to come from?
That's a good point, the resources allocated to mental health in this country is shameful.

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This programme outlines the history of and how the Online Safety Bill will regulate user generated content sites, search engines & pornography.

The aim will be to protect people, particularly the most vulnerable in society, from harmful & upsetting content, whilst allowing democratic debate to continue unhindered:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001lr9s

It's taken six years to ensure that the competing interests of the various lobby groups were all fairly taken into consideration. I myself have provided numerous examples as have others with opposing views. Together I believe that the the Bill will lead to a better internet experience for all whilst, at the same time, protecting free speech

RichardCoulter 14-05-2023 08:26
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Just to add to the above, the summing upat the end of this programme mirrors some of the comments made in this thread in that it's a shame that the onus will be put onto site operators instead of educating users as to what is('nt) appropriate to post.

Whilst I agree, it's a sad fact that this is unlikely to work. There will certainly be no harm in trying to educate users but, by fault or design, some would continue posting inappropriate text, images, videos etc regardless.

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36151796)
Because you are not in the country so the laws do not apply
I understand what you're saying.

With regards to the UK I asked Ofcom if sites were to move abroad and/or use a VPN to circumvent tje new legislation, what would happen then as this would make a mockery of the new requirements.

It seems that they wouldn't go down the proscribing route, instead services that allow any offending website to exist would be dealt with instead, such as site hosting providers, advertisers etc.

If it were not possible to kill a weed, depriving it of light & water would be just as effective.

jfman 14-05-2023 12:12
Re: Police to get tough on internet trolls.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36151806)
Just to add to the above, the summing upat the end of this programme mirrors some of the comments made in this thread in that it's a shame that the onus will be put onto site operators instead of educating users as to what is('nt) appropriate to post.

Whilst I agree, it's a sad fact that this is unlikely to work. There will certainly be no harm in trying to educate users but, by fault or design, some would continue posting inappropriate text, images, videos etc regardless.

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I understand what you're saying.

With regards to the UK I asked Ofcom if sites were to move abroad and/or use a VPN to circumvent tje new legislation, what would happen then as this would make a mockery of the new requirements.

It seems that they wouldn't go down the proscribing route, instead services that allow any offending website to exist would be dealt with instead, such as site hosting providers, advertisers etc.

If it were not possible to kill a weed, depriving it of light & water would be just as effective.
Deal with them… how?


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