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This just reinforces my point I made earlier. Why the hell did Cameron allow such stupid things like 16 yr olds voting??? There's no precedent for it, he should have just said 'Sorry salmond baby, 18 yrs and above only' I mean what could Salmond have done.

I suppose as consolation, if it all goes wrong is Cameron gets sacked (and placed in the history books as the PM who lost Scotland), next consolation would be that the Labour inbalance is resolved.

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For me this is why the Scots should vote Yes. We can consign the Liebour party to the dustbin of politics for the next half century.

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I suspect a lot of the 16 / 17 year old voters will be voting "Yes" in order to try and change these things for those coming behind them.

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I'm not getting a sense of any anti-English feeling.... well not any more than you usually get from Salmond's loonies.
I think it's mainly disillusionment with Westminster and the politicians of all flavours. The No campaign aren't helped by some of the unofficial mouthpieces. I'm sure Boris Johnson and George Galloway (I know, I know..) have both added votes to the Yes campaign for different reasons.

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I wonder if Cameron can last if they leave?

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If they're anything like the 16/17 years old ones I know, they'll be voting for themselves and nobody else, and certainly not those very young or not even born yet!

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The only study/ poll that I've came across suggested that most 16/17 year old voters would vote no. That was quite a while ago so that age group may well be being influenced by the upswing in optimism for what independence could bring.

In a totally unscientific poll of the 16/17 year olds in my family the results indicate a 2:1 in favour of a Yes vote. Interestingly 100% of the females intend to vote yes while the male vote was split 50:50.

The results are up to date. I conducted the poll with all 3 of them on Saturday ;)

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I wouldn't trust the 16 year old version of myself to make any life changing decision. I thought I knew everything back then but in reality I knew nothing.

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Yup - A yes vote will mean that although the English may only be part of the way towards their independence, at least we'll be able to console ourselves with the notion that a whole load of Labour MP's from Scottish constituencies will no longer be having a direct input into our affairs. :D

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Bit late now, the Gordon Brown damage is already done!

Personally I think having Alistair Darling, an ex-labour chancellor of the exchequer who was appointed by Gordon Brown, as a representative automatically gave negative connotations towards the No group. You choose a cute likeable fluffy bunny type character, not one associated with a party that almost broke the UK financially.

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I think losing Scotland will rank worse in history than presiding over a banking crisis.

People are also underestimating the impact a Yes vote will have on both the Scottish and UK economies. 18 months of negotiation, the loss of oil revenue, the banking sector moving south. Sterling has already taken a hit today. It will likely continue tomorrow with the latest poll set to confirm it's neck and neck. It will hit the skids if Scots vote Yes next week. How many people have their pensions invested with a Scottish firm? Standard Life? Scottish Widows?

We're 10 days away from turmoil. The UK being torn asunder will be destabilising force than might even rival the banking crisis. You don't lose 10% of your GDP, 9% of your population and 30% of your land without consequence. This will dominate the United Kingdom for the next couple of years. The EU and UKIP will be footnotes compared to the Scottish Question. A question for which our Government doesn't appear to have prepared an answer for.

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Complacency was never a good idea. They really are getting frantic now.

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This is utterly mad. The Conservatives have spent the summer on their usual anti-EU infighting, UKIP and the rather more understandable distraction of ISIS. Labour have spent the Summer doing nothing even though they're probably best equipped to deal Scottish Independence. So complacent. Hell, after Clacton there were more polls about that seat than Independence until this week. :mad:

It's also insane that Scotland could leave. Scotland will live in the same economic climate as the rest of the world, they will fact the same pressures that the rest of the Western nations do. How will they afford this society they want to build? If they try to raise taxes then people can just move south. They have oil but those are already included in the per-head income and yet still spend more than they earn (as we do as well).

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Calm ;)

Anyone who believes a two thirds say no has turned into 50/50 or worse overnight needs their head examined.

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It's rather pathetic really.

Dread to think what they'll manage to extract from rUK either way going by the ridiculously sycophantic way Osborne et al are desperately trying to suck up to the Scots and beg them to vote no.

I'd be more inclined to vote yes on the grounds that I don't want to be ruled by such a spineless, nerveless bunch.