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1andrew1 19-08-2021 10:55
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36090298)
Not because of Brexit:

Daft bloody app causing more problems than covid or Brexit.:rolleyes:
Well, you either believe the pro-Brexit Sun or you believe the companies in the sector. From the Sky News article.
Quote:
A spokesperson for one of Britain's biggest poultry producers said that the company was not experiencing any inconvenience due to the so-called 'pingdemic'.


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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36090289)
Just got a box of chicken wings from Aldi £1.49 KG and some peri peri coating from Heron 30p, crisis averted brexit is saved ;)
:D:D:D
I reckon Farage owes you a pint.

Carth 19-08-2021 11:23
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
A spokesperson for one of Britain's biggest poultry producers said that the company was not experiencing any inconvenience due to the so-called 'pingdemic'.
I presume/assume/guess this means . .

They have no problems with live chickens being transported to the sites.
They have no worker shortage issues on the sites.
They have no problems with finished products being transported out of the sites.

Probably just Nando's then . . or are McDonald's, KFC, Burger King etc keeping quiet about a shortage?

1andrew1 19-08-2021 11:40
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36090304)
Probably just Nando's then . . or are McDonald's, KFC, Burger King etc keeping quiet about a shortage?
it's Brexit's chickens who have come home to roost, not the cows. ;)
Quote:
KFC warns menu items missing due to supply issues
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58180308

Chris 19-08-2021 12:02
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
It’s amazing just how desperate you are to paint a picture of a crisis Andrew. You must be gutted that the world didn’t end when Brexit became reality … I can think of no other reason for your obsessive raking through the news day by day looking for stuff that might reassure you that you weren’t completely wrong.

Chickens … for pity’s sake. It’s trivial even now. Once business gets used to the new environment in supply, logistics and HR it will seem laughable. I’d go so far as to suggest that many smaller, nimbler businesses are laughing even now.

Carth 19-08-2021 12:10
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36090306)
It’s amazing just how desperate you are to paint a picture of a crisis Andrew. You must be gutted that the world didn’t end when Brexit became reality … I can think of no other reason for your obsessive raking through the news day by day looking for stuff that might reassure you that you weren’t completely wrong.

Chickens … for pity’s sake. It’s trivial even now. Once business gets used to the new environment in supply, logistics and HR it will seem laughable. I’d go so far as to suggest that many smaller, nimbler businesses are laughing even now.
:clap:

nomadking 19-08-2021 12:26
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
The biggest problem in logistics at the moment is the severe lack of HGV drivers. That shortage is not only UK-wide, but Europe-wide and world-wide.
The "pingdemic" is a result of people spending too long in close contact, with somebody who has tested positive, who in turn has spent too long in close contact with somebody who has actually passed the virus on.
It's not a case of nobody passing the virus on. At least one of the 3 people in the chain has passed it on. It demonstrates transmission of the virus is still occurring.

BenMcr 19-08-2021 14:25
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36090298)
Not because of Brexit:

Daft bloody app causing more problems than covid or Brexit.:rolleyes:
Some in the industry would disagree there
https://www.poultryworld.net/Meat/Ar...upply-782238E/
Quote:
....and now we have to reduce the number of chicks that we rear because we don’t have the labour to process them,” he [Soanes Poultry MD, Nigel Upson] said, adding that he blamed Brexit and Covid-19 for the perfect storm that had resulted in 1.3 million EU nationals returning to their own countries, impacting production.
Quote:
2 Sisters Food Group president, Ranjit Singh, said the industry was at a crisis point due to the issues around Covid-19 and a shortage of staff.

Carth 19-08-2021 14:48
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
I'm glad I'm not a chicken eater then :D

I used to be, many years ago, but a visit to a chick farm and a processing site cured me of that ;)

Sephiroth 19-08-2021 14:56
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36090327)
Some in the industry would disagree there
https://www.poultryworld.net/Meat/Ar...upply-782238E/

.... and round and round we go. If UK workers won't take farm jobs right now, or HGV jobs, etc, then something will ultimately give, such as higher wages --> higher prices or the Guvmin will make it easier for foreign labour to take UK jobs.

Brexit isn't to blame. This shit was always going to hit the fan at some stage as the EU improved its economic position.

Anyway, a whole load of Afghans can now be offered all sorts of work.

And Brexit is much more than protecting the likes of Nando's.

mrmistoffelees 19-08-2021 16:07
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36090331)

.... and round and round we go. If UK workers won't take farm jobs right now, or HGV jobs, etc, then something will ultimately give, such as higher wages --> higher prices or the Guvmin will make it easier for foreign labour to take UK jobs.

Brexit isn't to blame. This shit was always going to hit the fan at some stage as the EU improved its economic position.

Anyway, a whole load of Afghans can now be offered all sorts of work.

And Brexit is much more than protecting the likes of Nando's.

These vacancies haven't just appeared... they've been needing staff across agriculture and food processing for months. Why would the british public who appear to have made it clear that they dont want to do this type of work
suddenly say 'oh, go on then....' never mind that most people wouldn't pass their HGV licence....

Brexit IS PARTIALLY to blame for what we're seeing at the moment.

You can't just implement higher wages for obvious economic reasons.

Unless you're going to substantially reform the benefits system so it acts as a safety net rather than as a lifestyle choice as it does to a section of claimants the only choice is to import labour into the country

1andrew1 19-08-2021 16:17
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Nandos have stated there are no supply problems on the island of Ireland so make of that what you will.
It will be interesting to see how this turns out t - more automation, higher wages, seasonal labour quotas or more imports, etc.

Sephiroth 19-08-2021 16:17
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36090340)
These vacancies haven't just appeared... they've been needing staff across agriculture and food processing for months. Why would the british public who appear to have made it clear that they dont want to do this type of work
suddenly say 'oh, go on then....' never mind that most people wouldn't pass their HGV licence....

Brexit IS PARTIALLY to blame for what we're seeing at the moment.

You can't just implement higher wages for obvious economic reasons.

Unless you're going to substantially reform the benefits system so it acts as a safety net rather than as a lifestyle choice as it does to a section of claimants the only choice is to import labour into the country
I can certainly accept the highlighted sentence, though I'd have worded it: "What we're seeing at the moment is a partial consequence of Brexit".

However, Brexit isn't invalidated by the labour shortage.

mrmistoffelees 19-08-2021 16:22
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36090343)
I can certainly accept the highlighted sentence, though I'd have worded it: "What we're seeing at the moment is a partial consequence of Brexit".

However, Brexit isn't invalidated by the labour shortage.
Totally agree, but, it's my belief that were going to see more and more issues coming to the fore as a result of Brexit.

Obviously, I will stand corrected in my orthopaedic shoes should i be wrong

Chris 19-08-2021 18:55
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36090344)
Totally agree, but, it's my belief that were going to see more and more issues coming to the fore as a result of Brexit.

Obviously, I will stand corrected in my orthopaedic shoes should i be wrong
I don’t think you will be proved wrong. I believe that our membership of the EU led to chronic structural deficiencies in the skills of British workers and the pay and benefits on offer to them. We have taken the ripping-off-a-plaster approach to remedying that, because the whole Brexit process, especially that part of it handled by the traitorous remainer parliament of 2017-2019, reduced trust in the process to absolute zero. There was simply no credible way of implementing a longer transition that would not have been seen (rightly, in my view) as a smoke screen for the permanent retention of EU writ.

mrmistoffelees 19-08-2021 20:00
Re: Britain outside the EU
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36090362)
I don’t think you will be proved wrong. I believe that our membership of the EU led to chronic structural deficiencies in the skills of British workers and the pay and benefits on offer to them. We have taken the ripping-off-a-plaster approach to remedying that, because the whole Brexit process, especially that part of it handled by the traitorous remainer parliament of 2017-2019, reduced trust in the process to absolute zero. There was simply no credible way of implementing a longer transition that would not have been seen (rightly, in my view) as a smoke screen for the permanent retention of EU writ.

That’s a very nice soap box political statement l,
BUT like most brexiteers you’re failing to provide a viable solution.

You know fine well that wages can’t just be increased.
Force U.K. unemployed to take those roles ?


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