Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35905618)

There is no level of realistic investment that can keep pace with the level of immigration we have had for too long now it just isn't possible without bankrupting the country. We have a limited level of social resources and we have to not just cut the numbers coming in but deporting the large number that are here that shouldn't be. It isn't going to be pleasant and it isn't going to be easy but it's got to be done the situation in some areas is already creating issue's and it's spreading to more areas.

We have had a period of austerity we have crumbling public services and communities that have had their entire balance interfered with creating unnecessary social tension. All because one group of cretinous politicians wanted to play a big social experiment thank you new labour and gutless politicians afterwards thank you conservatives that did nothing beyond rhetoric to correct it.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35905638)

Add to that there is growing opposition to immigration in a number of EU states this is not just a problem within the UK and it has to be sorted out starting now because I don't want to start seeing headlines of violence against immigrants. My biggest criticism at all the western european governments is this race to the bottom they are all engaged in when we should be spending the time and resources being wasted atm raising these other countries up in standards rather then lowering ours down which is not tenable for much longer.

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35905007)

Whatever way you want to look at it we cannot pretend there is a solution without investment. Even with no immigration we will have net population growth.

I suggest a combination of managing population growth and investment.

Management can be achieved by applying quotas to immigration, as well as limiting the amount of social security payments to large families to discourage constant breeding.

However we need some form of growth, and growth is natural anyway, so we have to also invest more in infrastructure so yes that means.

Housing
Roads
Schools
Hospitals
Police
Social Security
Other forms of public servers etc.

This is funded by growing GDP, and not irresponsibly cutting taxes just to keep a wealthy few happy, we probably should be increasing taxes right now not decreasing.

The barrier to this is the amount of people in the UK (probably a majority) who think society is not important and everyone should just look after themselves. As a result people dont like paying taxes.

The stuff I listed, was happening routinely throughout the 50s,60s and 70s before we had a shift of thinking from the 80s onwards.

The only way we could consider what we doing now as reasonable is to start killing people to avoid the growth.

Also 10% of NHS staff is not some insignificant number, thats a lot of people, also I expect they congregated in certain parts of the country e.g. I think well over 10% of NHS staffing in Leicester is manned by immigrants or immigrant parent families. Nearly every pharmacist is owned by asians in Leicester as well, may well be british born asians but at some point in their family tree probably migrated to here from India or Pakistan.

Nearly all my delivery drivers from tesco are not white british, pretty much every taxi driver is not white british, my postman is a muslim, these people arent just benefit unemployed scroungers, many do contribute to the country. So alot of the blame is from governments not investing in infrastructure to handle the growth.

Been blunt I would say infrastructure is far more important than government debt, even if we went bankrupt I would say it has to be done. The current thinking is very short termist.

Also there is money been spent but very badly.

Think how many homes the HS2 costs would pay for.

To this day ignition is probably the only high earner I have seen admit on a forum he would accept paying more taxes. Just about everyone else who has the means see's it as theft.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35905645)

The 'going bankrupt' bit would be the inevitable result. ;)

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35905009)

Totally agree. The 80's was the turning point: Governments in the Uk and the US started telling people that greed is good. they also said that if you can get money, you should keep as much as you can. Me first, followed by Me second, and Me third and possibly forth.

If there is any left then maybe I will think about giving some to "charity".

We are in a Me first society and not a We first society. We should take some lessons from the Nordic Model although there are some things that do not seem appropriate.

Maybe we should start the cull with the immigrants?

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35905685)

Source

We're drowning in them. :(

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35905681)

Funnily enough the Nordic countries always come top of the happiness polls, perhaps there might just be a correlation...

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35905719)

it's vodka ;)

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35905719)

it's vodka ;)

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35906113)

It's gotta be something, what with their cars being so dull they'd rather commit suicide than drive them

Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35906116)

Yeah, boring :)