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But what you have identified isn’t a constitutional problem, much less a problem that would be solved by outsourcing regional grant funding to a supra-national institution headquartered in Belgium.

If voters in Batley and Spen are incorrectly blaming the local Labour council for services being cut then that is an abject failure on the part of the local Labour Party which has allowed that narrative to develop. Again, not a constitutional problem and certainly not a problem that would lend any credence to the idea that British voters are too thick to vote on the issues (and therefore those nice people in Brussels should just make the decisions for them).

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No not a constitutional problem, we have levels of deceit and corruption third world juntas would be proud of, just today the chancellor has become embroiled in it all and it's the oppositions fault for being to incompetent to call it out, it's the publics fault for being thick or more likely to busy living their lives to be paying attention etc etc. I said on the day of the referendum no matter who won we needed to clean politics up and we should never allow campaigns to be run like that again and what happened, they're even worse today!

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Yes, it’s a Brexit issue, because, yes, we’ve cut off the cheap, unlimited East European labour tap. Here’s a phrase I seem to be using a lot lately: that was the point.

A point I’ve also made multiple times recently: British businesses need to stop squealing to be allowed back on the teat and come to terms with the fact that they now have to compete for British workers, they may have to start apprenticing and (shock, horror) they may have to stop offering crap pay and conditions, which has been a particular problem in the hospitality and leisure sector.

I’m not surprised the Home Office hasn’t rushed to respond to yet another business wailing to be allowed to carry on importing cheap labour rather than adopting some sense of responsibility to the communities in which it operates.

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I don't really think the point was for Nando's to run out of chicken.

British businesses do indeed need to adjust, as does the British consumer to lower choice and higher prices. I'm the last person to go in and bat for unrestricted capitalism - but I don't really remember that being a "selling point" of Brexit.

As someone who thinks some political movements you oppose need to present exhaustive business cases for speculative economic manoeuvres it's odd that you seem to dismiss the legitimate concerns - dare I say democratic concerns - of a public who don't subscribe do your ideological opposition to the EU.

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These are hardly the legitimate concerns of a public who don’t subscribe etc. These are the lobbyings of arch-capitalists who don’t like being cut off from their cheap labour supply and are agitating to get it back, despite being well aware, well in advance, that what carried Brexit was, in part, opposition to the unrestricted immigration of nationals from EU member states, with all the consequences that entailed for the communities most affected.

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I don't want to go down the "that wasn't on the side of a bus" route but your implication is that employers pay higher wages, and pay greater amount in training and retention of employees instead of import them. Again, a noble cause for Britain and others to not exploit poor countries by taking their highest skilled employees for our lowest wages.

However I really don't remember this being part of the compelling case that was made.

I don't see how it is possible to dismiss economics as a legitimate concern of the public as a whole. Inflation (higher wages, and cost of goods) has consequences. Lower amounts left over for discretionary spend, potential for higher interest rates, negative equity etc in the long run. This isn't solely a big business looking to top out their dividends scenario. And even if it was - isn't that glorious capitalism? They'll then reinvest that, etc etc nonsense I don't subscribe to anyway.

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I think the point of Brexit from the literature I saw was to stop 100m Turks moving to the UK and for the UK to save £350m a week on funding the UK.

I don't recall seeing anything about better salaries for the lower paid and increased food costs. Indeed, the latter would have been rejected as Project Fear if anyone had mentioned it.

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Well this is the thing is was a bit all things to all people.

And that's democracy, just enough to make a majority.

It's odd that the distinction only seems to be for Scotland who, by any measure going, if they left would leave England better off!

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I'm not so sure on some of what you say, I'm sure the 'arch-capitalists' were and still are aware at the demise of cheap labour, the issue is that the unemployed Brits will not or cannot perform these roles for the salaries offered.

Now, it would be very easy at this point to simply say 'well, raise the salaries of these roles' but this then would us lead us down an interesting economic path.

A very simplistic view says you either make UK people take these roles. Or, you have to get cheap labour from somewhere

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Just got a box of chicken wings from Aldi £1.49 KG and some peri peri coating from Heron 30p, crisis averted brexit is saved ;)

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Not because of Brexit:

Daft bloody app causing more problems than covid or Brexit.:rolleyes:

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