Cable Forum - Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran … War

That hardly explained what the people were demanding. My reading of the situation fairly early on was that the people generally wanted Hamas to be smashed. The families of hostages were shit scared that Israel's military response would get the hostages killed. That's rock/hard place stuff.

And yes, it suited Netanyahu's political purpose, likely driven by the Smotrich faction - but that is a side issue if it's the hostages we're talking about.

After all, how many hostages died between March 2025 and today?

1andrew1

14-10-2025 00:10

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36204609)

My reading indicated that a safe return of the hostages was the Israeli public's top priority.

It would obviously have been far less stressful for the hostages and their families had Netanyahu not derailed the ceasefire, thereby preventing the hostages returning home in March.

TheDaddy

14-10-2025 01:11

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36204611)

Big mistake by hamas was overestimating how much the Israeli government would want the hostages back, they thought it'd be like Gilad Shalit all over again and the sheer number of hostages that'd be endangered would protect them from retaliation and retribution, they thought wrong

Paul	14-10-2025 01:33

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36204614)

Big mistake by hamas was overestimating how much the Israeli government would want the hostages back

I think they may have made a mistake in their estimation of how Israel would respond to their attack in 2023.

1andrew1

14-10-2025 12:32

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36204615)

I think they may have made a mistake in their estimation of how Israel would respond to their attack in 2023.

Agreed. Maybe it was a last throw of the dice.

Sephiroth

14-10-2025 13:30

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36204628)

Agreed. Maybe it was a last throw of the dice.

Presumably you are referring to Hamas. But why a 'last throw'?

The October 7th attack was surely a simple smash and grab raid with unimaginable consequences.

TheDaddy

14-10-2025 14:37

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36204615)

I think they may have made a mistake in their estimation of how Israel would respond to their attack in 2023.

That's exactly what I meant, must have been tired, they thought the number of hostages they took would limit the response due to Israels past desire to get them back at almost any cost

Pierre

14-10-2025 19:33

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36204628)

Agreed. Maybe it was a last throw of the dice.

To what?

Pierre

15-10-2025 10:31

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https://edition.cnn.com/2025/10/14/m...ity-hamas-intl

Got to be some way we can blame the IDF for this.

Will there by any marches against Hamas for killing innocent palestinians?..........no there won't.

Carth

15-10-2025 11:30

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Has anything really changed?

Hamas are still going to 'control' everything . . by force if people complain.

All that death and destruction, the crying and wailing, the marches and protests, the finger pointing and condemnation . . . for what?

Sephiroth

15-10-2025 12:07

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36204691)

The gnashing of teeth, obviously.

Israel will forcibly disarm Hamas, imo. Either directly or through their own proxies. Hamas don’t have a hold over Israel in terms of the deceased hostages.

papa smurf

15-10-2025 12:40

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36204697)

The gnashing of teeth, obviously.

Israel will forcibly disarm Hamas, imo. Either directly or through their own proxies. Hamas don’t have a hold over Israel in terms of the deceased hostages.

They've been trying that and it hasn't worked

1andrew1

15-10-2025 13:01

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36204704)

They've been trying that and it hasn't worked

Agreed, it's a bit like whack-a-mole.

Carth

15-10-2025 13:14

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