Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35993643)

They have played a very good game - vote for us if you want to leave; simple, not capable of nuance or misinterpretation- they leave the hard part to someone else when it comes to the implementation, and can wash their hands of it if it goes wrong.

The other parties have mixed messages (except Greens and Lib Dems), so can expect to split their votes.

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They actually don’t have a manifesto for the E.U. Elections, and don’t intend to produce one - why should they, as they have (for this election) a very simple and direct message, and don’t want to muddy the waters.

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35993643)

They have played a very good game - vote for us if you want to leave; simple, not capable of nuance or misinterpretation- they leave the hard part to someone else when it comes to the implementation, and can wash their hands of it if it goes wrong.

The other parties have mixed messages (except Greens and Lib Dems), so can expect to split their votes.[COLOR="Silver"]

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35993643)

They actually don’t have a manifesto for the E.U. Elections, and don’t intend to produce one - why should they, as they have (for this election) a very simple and direct message, and don’t want to muddy the waters.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35993652)

So, they will vote Change UK, won't they?

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There's nothing wrong with that - the objective is to leave the EU.

Nothing is lost because MEPs don't have much influence on policy anyway.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35993652)

So, they will vote Change UK, won't they?

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35993692)

Also Labour voters are more tribal so the mixed messaging will still be enough for their supporters to back them. Labour are a vote for both Remain AND Leave due to their absurd fence-sitting.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35993699)

Change UK is quite a centrist party and includes some ex-Conservatives too. That may not appeal to more traditional Labour Party supporters who may decide instead to push more for the party to support a People's Vote.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35993702)

You could say the same for the Conservative vote as well. Not all Conservatives are Brexiteers any more than Labour supporters are.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35993810)

I don't think Conservative voters identify with their choice of party in the same way some Labour voters do. I also think a lot of Brexiters are pretty clear where they stand with the Tories whereas Remain Labour voters are still giving the leadership the benefit of the doubt.

Corbyn could come out burning an EU flag whilst demanding the channel tunnel be closed off and his supporters would still say he is playing the 'long game'.

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35993817)

His core supporters are a minority of Labour support though. As they found out in the Local elections when they lost a lot of votes to the Lib Dems/Greens, who have a clear message on Brexit, unlike the 2 main parties.

Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35993841)

Labour MPs say they won't back a deal without a peoples vote.

The main thing that can be said about the local election results, it is NOT a signal that the government needs to get on with Brexit.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35993846)

You will find it difficult to argue that a convincing Brexit win at the EU elections does not give us the lie of the land.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35993846)

You will find it difficult to argue that a convincing Brexit win at the EU elections does not give us the lie of the land.

Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35993841)

Labour MPs say they won't back a deal without a peoples vote.

The main thing that can be said about the local election results, it is NOT a signal that the government needs to get on with Brexit.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35993876)

I think May and Corbyn would have said that the result was a message to get on with Brexit regardless of whether their vote increased or decreased!

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35993649)

Yes the Brexit Party are very simple. The enquiring voter might want to investigate their candidates and policies a bit more.