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1andrew1 26-06-2017 19:13
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35904941)
The problem with educational standard with these polls is that educational standards have actually been lowered over the years.

A GCSE is by no means the same as a GCE.

Education standards are a totally different discussion but must be considered when you wish to assert brexit voters are less intellectual.
No one has stated that Brexit voters are less intellectual or more intellectual than leave ones. But The Telegraph and others reported research that said more Remain voters had degrees or higher qualifications. Some mix the two aspects up.

pip08456 26-06-2017 19:16
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But degrees or higher qualifications based on a lower standard. Just ask businesses that have been complaining about the lowered standard for years!

ianch99 26-06-2017 19:31
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35904941)
The problem with educational standard with these polls is that educational standards have actually been lowered over the years.

A GCSE is by no means the same as a GCE.

Education standards are a totally different discussion but must be considered when you wish to assert brexit voters are less intellectual.
I am not asserting anything here, just reporting a YouGov analysis. Educational qualifications are neutral demographic metric, like age is.

Are you saying you want to be Politically Correct and not talk about or include Education metrics? ;)

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35904936)
Most of the polls of late have been mostly wrong. I find them simply unreliable.
BBC exit poll for the GE was spot on ...

Mick 26-06-2017 19:55
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35904958)

BBC exit poll for the GE was spot on ...
That is a exit poll with a rather larger sample size. The polls before the election still indicated May would still get a majority and they varied widely. Some with May only a few points ahead and others around 12 points ahead.

All this number crunching is very desperate of you and pointless, not sure what your aim is but the result remains the same. We are leaving the EU.

denphone 26-06-2017 19:59
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35904966)
That is a exit poll with a rather larger sample size. The polls before the election still indicated May would still get a majority and they varied widely. Some with May only a few points ahead and others around 12 points ahead.

All this number crunching is very desperate of you and pointless, not sure what your aim is but the result remains the same. We are leaving the EU.
From what l have read only Survation near enough got the GE exit poll spot on as l think this was their last opinion poll before the election.

http://survation.com/conservative-le...h-whats-going/

pip08456 26-06-2017 19:59
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35904958)
I am not asserting anything here, just reporting a YouGov analysis. Educational qualifications are neutral demographic metric, like age is.

Are you saying you want to be Politically Correct and not talk about or include Education metrics?
The last thing I am is Politically Correct! I can't stand the prat's that are or what it tries to do!!!

ianch99 26-06-2017 21:24
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35904966)
That is a exit poll with a rather larger sample size. The polls before the election still indicated May would still get a majority and they varied widely. Some with May only a few points ahead and others around 12 points ahead.

All this number crunching is very desperate of you and pointless, not sure what your aim is but the result remains the same. We are leaving the EU.
Ah, it's the polls you dont agree with that are wrong, got it :)

Damien 26-06-2017 21:55
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Survation got it close and also YouGov did a model based on the underlying data in their own polling which showed a hung parliament including Canterbury and Kensington going to Labour. Others were well off.

It came down to young people. YouGov and Survation believed there would be a higher turnout amongst the under 40s and they these people would largely vote Labour in higher numbers than before. The others thought that because these groups tend to vote in fewer numbers they would discount some of them in their weightings. In the end the former was the correct assumption.

Ramrod 26-06-2017 22:00
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35904847)
[/COLOR]Some interesting polling.
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9922
Most people now think Brexit was the wrong decision, that we'll get a bad deal, prioritise trade over immigration and prefer Corbyn to May. Amazing how the British people always wise up too late..:rolleyes:
I see your poll and raise you this one: Britain Would Vote to Leave EU Again One Year After Referendum

1andrew1 26-06-2017 23:08
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35904958)
I am not asserting anything here, just reporting a YouGov analysis. Educational qualifications are neutral demographic metric, like age is.
Are you saying you want to be Politically Correct and not talk about or include Education metrics? ;)
Some people are pretty snow flakey and PC about the YouGov analysis on the demographics of Brexit and Remain voters. They shouldn't be. Just because people have chosen or not had the opportunity to study beyond sixth form, does not make them less or more intelligent than those who have.

pip08456 26-06-2017 23:37
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35905021)
Some people are pretty snow flakey and PC about the YouGov analysis on the demographics of Brexit and Remain voters. They shouldn't be. Just because people have chosen or not had the opportunity to study beyond sixth form, does not make them less or more intelligent than those who have.
Some people don't give a **** about demographics ands a lot of those who didn't study beyond sixth form for whatever reason don't give a **** either.

FYI I did study past sixth form and I don't give a **** about demographics either!

The will of those who were interested to vote was to leave the EU. Get over it and accept it!

1andrew1 26-06-2017 23:47
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35905025)
Some people don't give a **** about demographics ands a lot of those who didn't study beyond sixth form for whatever reason don't give a **** either.

FYI I did study past sixth form and I don't give a **** about demographics either!

The will of those who were interested to vote was to leave the EU. Get over it and accept it!
Um, where did I say I didn't accept it and why is that point vaguely relevant? The answer is I've never said I don't accept it and no, it's not relevant.
But it is true to say that some people are sensitive about the correlation between voting in the referendum and educational achievement. I've always said they shouldn't be.

RizzyKing 26-06-2017 23:51
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There will be no acceptance of the referendum result by remain supporters because they are trying to engineer another vote so we can vote the right way it's what the EU's done everytime democracy doesn't work for it. It's a process of wearing people down to the point that when another takes place they don't vote recognising that only one vote is acceptable and until it's achieved the grinding down process will continue till the right vote happens.

1andrew1 27-06-2017 00:03
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35905029)
There will be no acceptance of the referendum result by remain supporters because they are trying to engineer another vote so we can vote the right way it's what the EU's done everytime democracy doesn't work for it. It's a process of wearing people down to the point that when another takes place they don't vote recognising that only one vote is acceptable and until it's achieved the grinding down process will continue till the right vote happens.
It's all one big conspiracy. :D

RizzyKing 27-06-2017 00:07
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No just a crappy organisation that doesn't like things that don't go it's way fortunately for them they have enough fanatics in most member states to create the sort of trouble we've seen in the UK for the last year.


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