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muppetman11 28-12-2010 21:01

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Originally Posted by mlayzell (Post 35144173)
The bit that makes me laugh, the Daily Telegraph have completly dug themselves a huge hole in this affair, namely bugging Vince Cable in a constituency surgery session!

Here here and from a paper that so called opposed to it.

Henkesghost 28-12-2010 21:12

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010) Vol. IV
 
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Originally Posted by mlayzell (Post 35143796)
It as far as I am aware just the HD one is exclusive, VM are going for the SD version.

Currently in talks perchance? :rolleyes: Christ they must have some amount of staff, they seem to be in "talks" for month after month with no end product. As ever the poor relation tv wise

muppetman11 28-12-2010 21:45

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010) Vol. IV
 
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Originally Posted by Henkesghost (Post 35144179)
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Originally Posted by mlayzell (Post 35143796)
It as far as I am aware just the HD one is exclusive, VM are going for the SD version.

Currently in talks perchance? :rolleyes: Christ they must have some amount of staff, they seem to be in "talks" for month after month with no end product. As ever the poor relation tv wise

Must admit they do need to try harder when negotiating LOL :-)

mersey70 29-12-2010 10:50

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010) Vol. IV
 
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Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35144069)
Virginmedia is privately owned and construction was paid for by the owners unlike BT so it is quite unlikely that they will open their network to rivals.

NTL allowed AOL access to their cable network a while back.

MutleyF 29-12-2010 11:11

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Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35144361)
NTL allowed AOL access to their cable network a while back.

True - I used to have this. However, unless I am wrong, did NTL place speed restrictions on them ? - I could only get a max of 1mb broadband with AOL - but at the time, I think 5mb was the max NTL customers could have

mersey70 29-12-2010 11:22

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Originally Posted by MutleyF (Post 35144365)
True - I used to have this. However, unless I am wrong, did NTL place speed restrictions on them ? - I could only get a max of 1mb broadband with AOL - but at the time, I think 5mb was the max NTL customers could have

I don't recall that but you may well be right. It does demonstrate that parts of the cable network hasn't always been a closed shop though.

BT has been privatised for around 25 years so I think there should come a time when they are treated like any other private company, maybe now is a bit soon though.

Moonblade 29-12-2010 12:19

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VDSL will be exclusive to BT. Sky will only have the old copper wire network. Ok for now, but will not be fit for 2012.

Digital Fanatic 29-12-2010 12:39

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Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35144361)
NTL allowed AOL access to their cable network a while back.

It didn't work very well for NTL at the time and I'm sure it's still the same. VM would make very little money out of wholesale deals. They have their pricing very low as it is.

They would still be responsible for the network, but without any real profit. It wouldn't be good for competition as it would lead to the downfall of the cable network. IMO.

mersey70 29-12-2010 13:08

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Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35144388)
It didn't work very well for NTL at the time and I'm sure it's still the same. VM would make very little money out of wholesale deals. They have their pricing very low as it is.

They would still be responsible for the network, but without any real profit. It wouldn't be good for competition as it would lead to the downfall of the cable network. IMO.



I think that might just slightly be over egging it myself!

In time I would welcome VM to be forced to allow competitors access to their network, maybe once they have finally haulled themselves out of debt.

Digital Fanatic 29-12-2010 13:16

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Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35144407)
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I think that might just slightly be over egging it myself!

In time I would welcome VM to be forced to allow competitors access to their network, maybe once they have finally haulled themselves out of debt.

Might be a very long time :)

mersey70 29-12-2010 13:24

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Originally Posted by Digital Fanatic (Post 35144411)
Might be a very long time :)

No might about it, it will be donkeys years yet but I wouldn't impose any restrictions on them until that point even though the debt is their own previous management's fault.

Media Boy UK 29-12-2010 13:27

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Media Boy ask for your views.

Let me know what you think about Sky Atlantic launching on Virgin Media in 2011 on the ''Sky Atlantic on Virgin Media'' thread.

GO TO: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...l#post35144413

TheDon 29-12-2010 14:42

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2010) Vol. IV
 
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Originally Posted by mersey70 (Post 35144414)
No might about it, it will be donkeys years yet but I wouldn't impose any restrictions on them until that point even though the debt is their own previous management's fault.

The debt isn't anyones "fault". It's a purely business decision.
Debt isn't bad, in fact I'd argue it's vital to the well running of any company. You can often gain a far greater return on cash at hand than you're having to pay in debt interest, so why would you pay down debt if doing so will make you less money? (Not to mention that having debt allows you to avoid all sorts of taxes).

mhatter67 29-12-2010 15:16

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Originally Posted by TheDon (Post 35144444)
The debt isn't anyones "fault". It's a purely business decision.
Debt isn't bad, in fact I'd argue it's vital to the well running of any company. You can often gain a far greater return on cash at hand than you're having to pay in debt interest, so why would you pay down debt if doing so will make you less money? (Not to mention that having debt allows you to avoid all sorts of taxes).

No debt can be seen as a good thing, the money you pay on interest could be better spent elsewhere!

Hugh 29-12-2010 15:25

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But if you didn't have the cash to invest in the infrastructure (which enables you to get more customers, which in turn increases your cash-flow), the only way is debt.

It's how nearly everyone buys a house - they don't wait until they have saved all the money up.


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