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Re: Coronavirus: PM Boris Johnson in Intensive Care

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36031061)

COVID is not a class issue or an inequality issue, no matter how much some people would like it to be.

However, it negatively affects those in lower socioeconomic groups more, no matter how much some people would like that not to be true - as the Joseph Rowntree Foundation stated

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They are also more likely to be in poor health, disabled, and to be caring for others. In addition, people stuck in poverty are more likely to experience anxiety, depression and other mental health difficulties. The services on which people on low incomes rely are also at risk of disruption, such as food banks and advice teams. The millions of workers trapped in poverty are more likely to have insecure jobs, with fewer rights and employee benefits, and they are less likely to have savings to help cover additional unplanned costs or gaps in income.

https://www.jrf.org.uk/blog/what-doe...ricted-poverty

Re: Coronavirus: PM Boris Johnson in Intensive Care

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36031061)

COVID is not a class issue or an inequality issue, no matter how much some people would like it to be.

You should watch this:

Re: Coronavirus: PM Boris Johnson in Intensive Care

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36031063)

However, it negatively affects those in lower socioeconomic groups more, no matter how much some people would like that not to be true - as the Joseph Rowntree Foundation stated

https://www.jrf.org.uk/blog/what-doe...ricted-poverty

Same could be said for most diseases.
And how much of that is remotely connected to getting it in the first place?

Re: Coronavirus: PM Boris Johnson in Intensive Care

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36031067)

Same could be said for most diseases.
And how much of that is remotely connected to getting it in the first place?

Could be that they are more likely to be in low paid & low valued occupations that cannot be done from home eg bus driving, cleaning. If they are at a disadvantage in the first place eg in poor health, malnourished etc, then the virus is obviously going to affect them more.

How else do you think that the virus is disproportionately affecting black people in Chicago?

Re: Coronavirus: PM Boris Johnson in Intensive Care

BREAKING: Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been moved out of Intensive Care.

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A Number 10 spokesman says: "The prime minister has been moved this evening from intensive care back to the ward, where he will receive close monitoring during the early phase of his recovery.

"He is in extremely good spirits."

Re: Coronavirus: PM Boris Johnson Now out of Intensive Care

That a welcome move in the right direction coming out of Intensive Care that is for sure.

Re: Coronavirus: PM Boris Johnson in Intensive Care

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36031069)

There are several groups and areas that seem to be disproportionately affected.

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MOUNT VERNON, Wash. — With the coronavirus quickly spreading in Washington state in early March, leaders of the Skagit Valley Chorale debated whether to go ahead with weekly rehearsal.
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Sixty singers showed up. A greeter offered hand sanitizer at the door, and members refrained from the usual hugs and handshakes.

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Nearly three weeks later, 45 have been diagnosed with COVID-19 or ill with the symptoms, at least three have been hospitalized, and two are dead.

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An Islamic missionary movement is at the centre of a growing controversy in South Asia after it repeatedly held massive gatherings despite warnings about the

coronavirus

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In Pakistan, about 20,000 Tablighis are now in quarantine facilities. More than 600 have tested positive for the coronavirus.
At least 10 people from the Indian gathering have died from COVID-19.

A health ministry official said that of the country's 4,067 coronavirus cases, some 1,445 were linked to that gathering.

Around 40 percent of Malaysia's COVID-19 infections have been linked to the Tablighi event, which was held near the capital Kuala Lumpur.

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Greater Manchester Police has warned people not to breach lockdown rules over Easter after it had to break up 660 parties during the pandemic.

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Coronavirus has hit Israel’s ultra-Orthodox Jews disproportionately but implementing lockdown in those communities has been challenging.

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Hundreds of Hasidic Jews once again defied social distancing orders amid the coronavirus pandemic, taking over a Brooklyn street to hold a funeral for a local rabbi.

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Almost 250 Orthodox Jews in Borough Park and Williamsburg were confirmed Wednesday as having the coronavirus. According to the New York Post, the cluster of cases affected three health centers in the two New York suburbs, with Williamsburg having the greater number of casualties.

Congregating in groups in the central factor. Plenty more examples from around the world.

Re: Coronavirus: PM Boris Johnson in Intensive Care

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36031077)

There are several groups and areas that seem to be disproportionately affected.

Congregating in groups in the central factor. Plenty more examples from around the world.

And class is obviously one of them. I don’t see why you feel the need to deflect from self evident fact.

Re: Coronavirus: PM Boris Johnson in Intensive Care

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36031078)

And class is obviously one of them. I don’t see why you feel the need to deflect from self evident fact.

Various different classes and socio-economic groups have clusters. I have given enough examples of different ones. It is their tendency to congregate that is central. It is from that congregating that they are getting the virus.

Re: Coronavirus: PM Boris Johnson in Intensive Care

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36031051)

So somebody has found an antibody test that works reliably? That would be headline news by itself.

There is a big difference between a lab test and a robust test that can be pushed out to the public. The lab test (ELISA) involves a lot of sample prep and handling steps either manually or by robot and takes an hour or two to do. I was always rubbish at doing ELISAs for some reason!

What we really want is a ‘stick’ test like a pregnancy test and that’s where we are struggling.

Thanks everyone for providing the links for the Bonn University study. I am looking forward to actual published results but the preliminary results, if correct, sound hopeful

Re: Coronavirus: PM Boris Johnson in Intensive Care

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36031063)

However, it negatively affects those in lower socioeconomic groups more,

some not all, it also affects those on median salaries, it also affects self employed that would usually be on a good income, now on Zero.

It also affects those that may be well paid, but also live to their income I.e good income but equally big expenses.

Equally there may be people at the low end of the salary scale that can still wo4k and are not directly impacted that much.

Generalisations are great for poo stirring, and whipping up class and income inequality arguments when it is not what it is all about.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36031066)

You should watch this:

That showed me nothing......nothing at all.

Over 6,000 dead, I’m sure there are people that have died that are solicitors, bankers, businessmen and women, entrepreneurs.

But they didn’t get an ‘ in memorium’ slide show.

Re: Coronavirus: PM Boris Johnson in Intensive Care

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36031079)

Yes, that still doesn't detract from the fact that working class low paid "key workers" are disproportionately at risk.

If I woke up in the morning and went on a cruise that's my own stupidity. They don't have a choice.

Re: Coronavirus: PM Boris Johnson Now out of Intensive Care

This class and low income etc, etc, is a side issue.

No one has any data, and statements made are speculative, subjective and plainly a way to shape the pandemic into a social justice argument, which is typical of those trying to do it.

Until you can quote figures of death rates v income. Or death rates v occupation, death rates v location, etc etc

If you want to make the argument, back the argument. You can’t at the moment.

Come back when you can, and we can pick the bones out of it then.

Re: Coronavirus: PM Boris Johnson Now out of Intensive Care

That seems like a good place to request the discussion moves forwards, rather than everyone constantly re-asserting the same basic position. You all disagree ... that’s fine.

Re: Coronavirus: PM Boris Johnson Now out of Intensive Care

removing post on the basis of this instruction

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36031094)

That seems like a good place to request the discussion moves forwards, rather than everyone constantly re-asserting the same basic position. You all disagree ... that’s fine.