Cable Forum - PM Boris forms a government

He cannot demand one of the Queen and cannot hold an election without 2/3 agreement under the FTPA.

As I said you are making things up. Unless of course you can prove otherwise.

I have no idea what you're talking about. I said he can't do it.

Hugh	06-09-2019 15:02

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36009057)

Parliament passing a "law" that is 100% unachievable is way beyond unconstitutional.
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As I've pointed out, a deal cannot even start to be negotiated until after we've left. Even then is takes time to properly scrutinise anything.

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The plan is for the UK to fly in short shelf life medicines. Panic over.
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But since it appears you are the only one who believes that, it doesn’t matter... ;)

Mr K	06-09-2019 15:04

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https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/p0...yrJ-BruXY=s142

Doesn't he look tired ? ;)

pip08456

06-09-2019 15:05

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36009082)

I have no idea what you're talking about. I said he can't do it.

Fair enough but this appeared to imply it.

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Different order entirely to trying to get the Queen to dissolve Parliament and break the Fixed Terms Parliament Act.

I accept I misunderstood.

Hugh	06-09-2019 15:05

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36009062)

And just to prove that making predictions in this climate is a mug’s game, the Opposition parties are signaling that they will vote down Monday’s attempt to call an election as well.

We really are through the looking glass now. Corbyn’s main job as leader of the opposition is to want, demand, and be ready for an election. Yet he prefers to keep an unworkable government in place and deny the people their say.

Now I wonder what the counter-move is. I’m not ready to believe Cummings was allowed to march the government into this without a strategy with contingencies worked right through to the end.

"Corbyn’s main job as leader of the opposition is to want, demand, and be ready for an election" he can win - if he lets himself be fooled into holding an election at a time that would provide maximum benefit to BJ, he wouldn’t be doing his job properly.

denphone

06-09-2019 15:11

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Robert Pestons take.

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Opposition parties will again vote against general election on Monday. The debate between leaders of Labour, SNP, LibDems, Plaid and Greens is whether to vote for election a day or two after Queen’s Speech on Oct 14 or day or three after EU summit on 17-18 October.

Either way, it is all about making sure @BorisJohnson either goes to Brussels to beg for a Brexit delay or resigns to allow a temporary government of national unity AND means the general election would be in November (mid to late). How does Johnson escape this trap?

nomadking

06-09-2019 15:29

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36009089)

But since it appears you are the only one who believes that, it doesn’t matter... ;)

It's there in black and white in the Political Declaration.

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1. The European Union, hereafter referred to as “the Union”, and the
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, hereafter referred
to as “the United Kingdom”, ("the Parties”) have agreed this political
declaration on their future relationship, on the basis that Article 50(2)
of the Treaty on European Union (TEU) provides for the negotiation of an
agreement setting out the arrangements for the withdrawal of a
departing Member State, taking account of the framework
for its future relationship with the Union. In that context, this declaration
accompanies the Withdrawal Agreement that has been endorsed by
the Parties, subject to ratification.
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138. In setting out the framework of the future relationship between
the Union and the United Kingdom, this declaration confirms, as set
out in the Withdrawal Agreement, that it is the clear intent of both
Parties to develop in good faith agreements giving effect to this
relationship and to begin the formal process of negotiations as
soon as possible after the United Kingdom’s withdrawal from the
Union, such that they can come into force by the end of 2020.

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The Political Declaration sets out the framework for the future relationship between the European Union and the United Kingdom. It provides instructions to negotiators that will deliver a future relationship by the end of 2020 covering an economic partnership, a security partnership and agreements on areas of shared interest.

BBC News

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Formal negotiations on everything it contains can only begin after Brexit has actually happened - currently after 29 March 2019.

OLD BOY

06-09-2019 15:30

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36009094)

Robert Pestons take.

'Opposition parties will again vote against general election on Monday. The debate between leaders of Labour, SNP, LibDems, Plaid and Greens is whether to vote for election a day or two after Queen’s Speech on Oct 14 or day or three after EU summit on 17-18 October.

Either way, it is all about making sure @BorisJohnson either goes to Brussels to beg for a Brexit delay or resigns to allow a temporary government of national unity AND means the general election would be in November (mid to late). How does Johnson escape this trap?'

By asking the Queen this afternoon to extend prorogation immediately after close of business today until 1 November, or by delaying the process of going to the Queen to seek Royal Assent, are two things I can think of.

Pierre

06-09-2019 15:46

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36009093)

"Corbyn’s main job as leader of the opposition is to want, demand, and be ready for an election" he can win

So, when the next election roles around, every five years, if the leader of the opposition thinks he can't win, he should just roll over then.

Damien

06-09-2019 15:49

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36009102)

So, when the next election roles around, every five years, if the leader of the opposition thinks he can't win, he should just roll over then.

Well after 5 years they don’t have a choice with when it happens, at the moment he does.

pip08456

06-09-2019 15:50

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36009102)

So, when the next election roles around, every five years, if the leader of the opposition thinks he can't win, he should just roll over then.

He's never going to demand an election is he? He'll never win one!

Carth

06-09-2019 15:52

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36009105)

He's never going to demand an election is he? He'll never win one!

Probably won't finish any higher than 3rd

Sephiroth

06-09-2019 16:33

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36008905)

yep and the leavers all told us it was gonna be great but we did tell them he be a disaster you notice OB has disappeared from this thread

<SNIP>

Lol. Good job I don't care whether or not we remain in the (perfidious) EU. The rest of it is perverse fun.

Hugh	06-09-2019 16:57

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...box=1567781068

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A law to block a no-deal Brexit has been passed by Parliament.

Completing the major blow to embattled PM Boris Johnson, legislation was passed unamended in the House of Lords and will now go to the Queen for royal assent.

More follows…

denphone

06-09-2019 17:19

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Some polling quoted in a Financial Times story (paywall) by Jim Pickard helps to explain why Labour might be keen to delay the election until November.

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An ICM poll suggests that support for the Brexit party would double from 9 per cent to 18 per cent if an election takes place after Halloween.

The poll, commissioned by Represent Us — which is pushing for a second Brexit referendum — found the Conservatives’ lead over Labour would evaporate in those circumstances.

The ICM poll suggests the Tories would beat Labour by 37 per cent against 30 per cent in an October election, while the two parties would be neck and neck on 28 per cent in a November poll.

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