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1andrew1 07-05-2017 20:44
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Conservatives to soften their approach.
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Amber Rudd, the Home Secretary, has hinted that the Conservatives’ aim of reducing net migration to tens of thousands will not appear as a commitment in the party’s election manifesto.
Ms Rudd confirmed that the Conservatives were re-examining their target as she appeared to soften the party’s stance by describing immigration as an “absolute positive” for the UK.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ration-target/

Mr K 07-05-2017 20:48
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35897894)
Conservatives to soften their approach.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...ration-target/
Ah, isn't that nice, they're just a bunch of softies after all ;) (or maybe​ realised we need immigrants)

1andrew1 07-05-2017 20:53
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35897895)
Ah, isn't that nice, they're just a bunch of softies after all ;) (or maybe​ realised we need immigrants)
Now that UKIP is a spent force and the Conservatives have a great poll lead, they can afford to be less strict in this area.

Mick 07-05-2017 21:18
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35897896)
Now that UKIP is a spent force and the Conservatives have a great poll lead, they can afford to be less strict in this area.
Complete nonsense, think you are forgetting (conveniently), the catalyst to 17.4 Million people voting leave last year, so no they cannot afford to be less strict at all.

It's all well and good you and Mr K say we need immigrants, where the bloody hell are 300K immigrants that keep arriving every year to be housed, in a country with a chronic housing shortage ?

1andrew1 07-05-2017 21:36
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What I'm saying is that now UKIP is nearly finished, the Conservatives electorally seem to be worrying less about the issue.
Most of the immigration numbers are so poorly collected that the first thing we need is some accurate data before we can start making policy in this area.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/330350...being-counted/
http://www.economist.com/news/britai...m-survey-began

Mick 07-05-2017 21:44
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35897900)
What I'm saying is that now UKIP is nearly finished, the Conservatives electorally seem to be worrying less about the issue.
Most of the immigration numbers are so poorly collected that the first thing we need is some accurate data before we can start making policy in this area.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/330350...being-counted/
http://www.economist.com/news/britai...m-survey-began
Just because there has been a hint, means nothing and even if it does not make a Manifesto, does not mean they will allow the same failed open door policies that exist now.

So stop getting all excited about nothing and you still haven't answered me how we are to continue to house the 300K immigrants we get each year?

Mr K 07-05-2017 21:55
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35897896)
Now that UKIP is a spent force and the Conservatives have a great poll lead, they can afford to be less strict in this area.
You might well be right . One positive of a large Tory majority is they can tell the right wing where to get off instead of having to pander to them all the time. May is so confident, she's not promised not to raise taxes, no guarantee on the pension lock and now the daft immigration target seems to have been dropped. I sense some on the right are starting to get uneasy on how this might pan out. e.g this from the Torygraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2...abour-raising/
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The Conservatives should make the case for tax cuts, not ape Labour by raising them

Mick 07-05-2017 22:01
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35897907)
May is so confident, she's not promised not to raise taxes, no guarantee on the pension lock and now the daft immigration target seems to have been dropped. I sense some on the right are starting to get uneasy on how this might pan out.
No it hasn't.

FFS, get some decent glasses and stop reading stuff that just is not there. :rolleyes:

Mr K 07-05-2017 22:31
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I said 'seems' to have been dropped Mick, I think it's you who needs the glasses.

1andrew1 07-05-2017 22:33
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35897907)
You might well be right . One positive of a large Tory majority is they can tell the right wing where to get off instead of having to pander to them all the time. May is so confident, she's not promised not to raise taxes, no guarantee on the pension lock and now the daft immigration target seems to have been dropped. I sense some on the right are starting to get uneasy on how this might pan out. e.g this from the Torygraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2...abour-raising/
Mark Wallace (executive editor of Conservative Home) wrote an influential piece for Saturday's Financial Times whose headline sums up the thrust of his article "New Tory supporters will alter government priorities".

Mick 07-05-2017 22:36
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35897915)
I said 'seems' to have been dropped Mick, I think it's you who needs the glasses.
And you are still wrong with seems, so no I don't! :dozey:

1andrew1 07-05-2017 22:44
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35897906)
Just because there has been a hint, means nothing and even if it does not make a Manifesto, does not mean they will allow the same failed open door policies that exist now.

So stop getting all excited about nothing and you still haven't answered me how we are to continue to house the 300K immigrants we get each year?
When we've got some proper numbers we can start proscribing solutions. I don't think there's a magic solution to UK housing but we definitely need to stem the concentration of business and government in London. There's empty housing in places like Blackpool and Newcastle but the jobs aren't there. There's lonely elderly people staying in four-bedroomed houses who would love some company whilst there's young people crammed to the nines in small houses wishing for some space. There's council houses being sold off and repurchased by councils for several times what they sold them for.
People sometimes imagine that there is a fixed number of jobs and houses. Both have grown over time and we now have a record number of people in employment. But I appreciate in some trades and areas it may not feel that way.

Mick 08-05-2017 00:46
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Wrong answer. The solution to 300K yearly immigration figures is to reduce it and significantly, not squeeze more and more in and surely to hell, you are not suggesting house immigrants with old people?

Driving home in last half hour, I just saw Romanians with ladders, a TV and baseball bat, obviously just been on the thief. :rolleyes:

TheDaddy 08-05-2017 03:07
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35897907)
You might well be right . One positive of a large Tory majority is they can tell the right wing where to get off instead of having to pander to them all the time. May is so confident, she's not promised not to raise taxes, no guarantee on the pension lock and now the daft immigration target seems to have been dropped. I sense some on the right are starting to get uneasy on how this might pan out. e.g this from the Torygraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2...abour-raising/
The target is not being dropped, apparently

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39840503

Mr K 08-05-2017 08:06
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35897933)
The target is not being dropped, apparently

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39840503
A pledge they have twice made and failed on before !

A pledge to make sure we have a the skills and workforce necessary in future me might be more useful, whether they are immigrants or not.


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