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But what you don't seem to understand is that unless we put border checks in place, goods and people can pass freely into the uk. If we allow the eu to do that then we must allow every other wto country to do the same. So no we don't HAVE to put a hard border in place but the co nsequences of not putting one?

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For all of history apart from the most recent few decades we have not been in the EU! For heaven's sake!

The British public were asked whether or not they wanted to leave, and they said leave. That was the discharge of their duty. It is for politicians to resolve the detail. However, the consequence of that decision must be to come out of the customs union in order to do our own trade deals. Many people may not have understood what the customs union was, but they were very clear that they were well on board with the idea of our forging new trade deals all around the world.

If we leave with no plan, there will be an Irish border. That's exactly what the Irish Prime Minister says he doesn't want. So go figure. Of course there will be a deal.

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Which have been the most war-free decades for us? Which ones have shown the highest GDP per person? The ones when we were in or out of the EU?

As ianch99 has pointed out, countries like Australia will prioritise trade deals first with the EU as it's a bigger market and the UK afterwards.

I think that the solution will be a longer transition period. It won't go down well with some Brexiters at first but I'm sure they'll agree to. So maybe a transition period of between two and three years.

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Dead right it is not my fault that I made a democratic decision and that I would make the same one again and again!!!

And we are only in a mess thanks to the EU pissing about and Remainer MPs in government/parliament trying their damn hardest to thwart the result.... But fancy you completely ignoring this issue and thinking you can play the blame game on people, exercising a democratic right - it does not wash me with me and never will!!! :dozey: :rolleyes:

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WTO don’t require a hard border, this has been established earlier in the thread a month or so ago.

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Anyway there will be no further summit in November, No Deal here we come.

Next 5 months are going to be entertaining

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No they haven’t.

Northern Ireland 1969-1998. 763 servicemen killed.

Falklands War 1982. 255 Servicemen killed

Desert Storm 1990-91. 47 troops killed

Balkans 1992-2001. 48 killed

Sierra Leone 2000. 1 killed

Afghanistan 2001 - 2014. 456 killed

Iraq 2 2003-2011. 150 killed.

Yeah no wars, ........ if you mean we haven’t fought Germany since joining the EU, then you may be right.

But neither had we fought them for the 30 years previous to joining the EU.

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Fair enough but it was a question, not an answer.

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Little surprise here.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...ets-fake-news/

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Really?

None of those were wars, except for Iraq and Afghanistan, and we got dragged into those because of Bush Jnr, so not an EU issue.

NI wasn’t a war, it was an internal conflict based in history, so good luck blaming the EU for that (and I had a couple of detachments there when I was on the Dark Side, so saw it from both sides (being of Irish Catholic descent)).

You knew he meant there had been no Europe-wide conflicts.

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I wasn’t blaming the EU. He said they’d been war free, which they hadn’t. Simple.

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I trust that you are not suggesting that there will now be wars between the UK and EU countries after we pull out of the EU? That's Project Fear with rocket boosters!

I don't know why you would suggest prolonging the implementation period by another year (other than to try to drag this on indefinitely). This isn't a solution, it's just kicking that proverbial can down the road. This needs to be sorted now and the EU needs to stop putting non-existent problems in the way.

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I didn't. I asked the question. Also please note the adjective "most".

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Perhaps the UK electorate have been their own worse enemies in this respect, by electing people who do not want to work with other EU nations. Relegating the UK to the fringes of democratic decision making within the EU Parliament. Aided and abetted by a press that concentrates on these outsiders rather than those who are hard at work within the system.

Bit like voting for Sinn Fein and expecting them to change Westminster.

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Give over, you asked the question rhetorically, implying that you already knew the answer.

The point I was making that being in the EU didn’t make war free and never will. I also don’t give much credence to the argument that it is responsible for ending war in Europe.

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That's a bit pedantic! NI was a Civil War.

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They isolate the fringe MEPs - because they are out of touch and not prepared to work with their fellow MEPs (same as the fringe MEPs from every other EU country). The hard working British MEPs are respected and part and parcel of decisions made. Just Joe public in the UK rarely hear about them, because the press prefer the noisy outsiders.

One example, Farage bleating about the fisheries policy changes nothing. Same big 5 UK industrial fishing companies will still control most of the fishing in UK waters after Brexit, so the small sustainable independents will continue to struggle.