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Only one poll matters, Mr K.

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Of course some now feel they voted wrongly in voting to leave we have had a relentless year of people belittling and calling into question everything from the intelligence of leave voters to their social standing within society. This is business as usual for the EU and their supporters lose the argument and then batter relentlessly those who dared to do things in a way the EU doesn't like and to be honest it's pathetic and demonstrates more then words exactly why the EU needs to fail and why it's falling apart. Eastern european nations are already getting fed up with the EU mainly Poland and Hungary at the minute but dissent is spreading.

Meanwhile Italy and Spain are bailing out banks and trying to shore up their failing economies and Brussels does very little to help in fact we have reports of the eurozone rebounding and recovering well go to Greece, Italy, Spain or Portugal and ask the how the recovery is going. The EU is turning into little more then a propaganda bureau with lots of little fanatics running around spreading the gospel and ignoring everything that isn't rosy. I thought the people in the UK still valued and followed democracy but like most of western Europe democracy is only supported as long as it delivers the desired result and if it doesn't then it's time to undermine it and we have plenty in this country more then happy to help.

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Amazing how some people who don't like the result of real democracy rely on fake polling. :rolleyes:

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I had a dig around to see if I could some numbers and most countries do not report expulsions under 2004/38 rules. However, Belgium, France, The Netherlands and the UK do so we can compare three Schengen countries including one of equivalent size and GDP to the UK (France)

The most recent data I could find was from 2013 where the following numbers were expelled;

Belgium - 2712
France - 10915
Netherlands - 360
UK - 3601

Looking in a different way using the proportion of the EU population in each country who were expelled;

Belgium - 0.34%
France - 0.77%
Netherlands - 0.06%
UK - 0.13%

France, though in the Schengen zone loves kicking them out!!

If you're interested, the report is here - https://www.academia.edu/32395964/Wh...ates_Practices

Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 

a poll shown on peston on sunday [i think it was a times poll] showed

48% remain and 52 % leave no change since the vote

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What is wierd is how twitchy all the Leavers are when I point out that 52% of the electorate here did NOT vote to leave the EU.

Just keeping you all honest :)

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At last, a sane voice ... refreshing :)

Of course they have different meanings .. what Osem said was incorrect .. simples. My god, if they are this insecure when they won the vote, what would they be like if they had lost it?

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By the same arguement 52% of the electorate didn't vote to remain in the EU.

The most likely result if they'd voted that the relative percentages would have stayed the same.

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Best defend myself then :)

The reason why I correct the regular lies that 52% of the country voted to Leave is that it did not. By constantly putting forward this assertion gives the impression that it was the "will of the people" in a populist sense. It is open to debate the exact number of people in this country that did, do and will, going forward, agree with Leaving.

What is beyond doubt is that the country is divided and fractured on this matter. There is no "will of the people" here.

Of course I accept the mathematics of the Referendum vote. You have to be stupid not to do so. However, you would also have to be stupid to misrepresent it.

Any Brexit deal must cater for both sides of this divide since the consequences for such a seismic, structural change in our society impacts all especially the younger generation who clearly did not want this.

So please go ahead and shout me down for standing up for what I think is right ...

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But you are not. People who chose not to vote or could not be arsed to do so lost their right to have any say, if they wanted a say, they should have voted when they had their chance, that's democracy, screaming about it after or protesting about the end result because they do not agree, is just pathetic.

And stop generalising about the young did not want this, I know plenty of young people who voted leave.

You are conveniently forgetting we just had a Election where over 80% of the total votes cast went for parties aiming for brexit and a possible hard one too. That's 25 Million people voting for parties that intend brexit to happen. I would say that's the will of the people speaking, including the young who voted for Corbyn. If the young did not want this as you claim, then why did they not vote Liberal Democrats?

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if that's your defence we'll get on with the hanging

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Some remainers seem to change their tune every time a vote goes the wrong way for them. They thought they'd win the referendum so didn't start moaning about the wording of the question or meaning of Brexit until after they realised they'd lost. Prior to this election, plenty of them told us that it'd be largely about Brexit when in fact the main Pro EU parties i.e. Lib Dems gained a tiny number and the SNP lost loads of seats. Now, having seen pro Brexit parties win the vast majority of votes, they're changing the argument back to the validity of the referendum and whether people understood what they were voting for. It's quite clear that whilst some remainers have accepted the outcome, many have not and will not. They'll do whatever they can to challenge, delay and undermine the process hoping that they can somehow ensure the outcome of the negotiations will be so poor for the UK that they'll finally get their way. That is how interested in democracy they are... :rolleyes:

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Unless you have forgot hanging is outlawed in this country Sir.;)

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don't argue with the judge or i will find you in contempt of the court of kangaroo justice :nono:

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A judge has to be qualified which you must certainly are not.:p: