Cable Forum - Government & Post Election Discussion

My ballot paper had lab/con/ukip ,there was no way i was going to support lab/con so i stood a while and thought sod it ukip can have my vote,if the brexit party was on the ballot i would have gone straight to the box next to them and put my X in it.

anyhoo the conservatives won for the first time ever ousting Labour, lets hope that brings about change.

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/n...nshire-2827069

OLD BOY

03-05-2019 10:27

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35993262)

Then why have the parties who are strongly Remain done so well? (Greens, Lib Dems)

Are you saying Leave voters punished the Tories and Labour for not being "pro Leave" enough by voting for Remain parties?

The reason the Greens and Lib Dems have done so well is largely attributed to the fact that they are clearly Remainer parties.

There was nowhere else to go for Brexiteers as in most places the only alternative was the discredited UKIP.

The EU elections, if they happen, will show very clearly what people want, and the Brexit Party will be well ahead.

It is also more possible now that Labour may do a deal with the Conservatives on Brexit, given that both parties can see the way this is going. Quite how Labour will swallow not having the Customs Union, though, I am not so sure. Maybe a fudge to agree that the Withdrawal Agreement as set out provides for exactly that and both parties will work together to secure the long term trade agreement (which will not be worth the paper it's written on when May goes).

Chris

03-05-2019 11:33

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35993262)

John Curtice, high priest of pollsters, says there’s no evidence that people are switching to the Lib Dems out of Remain sentiment.

Guido Fawkes is finding that the LDs are doing well where they have historically been strong, have a well organised local operation and, in many cases, have totally avoided talking about Brexit or Vince Cable on the doorstep.

https://order-order.com/

papa smurf

03-05-2019 11:36

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35993257)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-48131095 (@07:47)

I would have though UKIP would have got more votes...

They didn't field as many candidates this time.

Maggy

03-05-2019 11:36

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Maybe some voters are fed up with what's been done or rather not done at local level. Maybe some can separate local politics from nationwide politics?

papa smurf

03-05-2019 11:39

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35993337)

Maybe some voters are fed up with what's been done or rather not done at local level. Maybe some can separate local politics from nationwide politics?

I think that's true, in my area people have had enough of the outgoing labour council who simply haven't listened to the people.

Mr K	03-05-2019 12:21

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35993293)

Nothing will ever change Grimsby ;)

papa smurf

03-05-2019 12:24

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35993345)

Nothing will ever change Grimsby ;)

I live in Cleethorpes which shares the same council,the labour council have had a bad effect on Cleethorpes which is a predominately conservative town.

1andrew1

03-05-2019 13:55

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35993232)

And you trust this governments word all of a sudden?

No reason for the Government to make this up. It's gained nothing from this unsavoury episode.
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Mr K	03-05-2019 14:01

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35993346)

I live in Cleethorpes which shares the same council,the labour council have had a bad effect on Cleethorpes which is a predominately conservative town.

I see viewing the Greenwich Meridian Line is in the top 10 things to do in Cleethorpes. Must book a holiday there, sounds thrilling ;)
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attrac...e_England.html

TheDaddy

03-05-2019 14:27

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35993282)

Labour’s Shadow Chancellor, John McDonnell: “We’ll see what final results of local elections look like by end of day as they are pretty mixed geographically up to now but so far message from local elections- “Brexit - sort it.” Message received.”

Remainers hoping for second referendum, can kiss goodbye to this, if Corbyn allies run with this.

Wonder what that means for the talks, if compromise is reached and agreement made it'll pull the rug from under the brexit party

denphone

03-05-2019 14:38

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Here is the latest update with more than half of the council results in so far.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...glish-councils

heero_yuy

03-05-2019 14:52

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Quote from TheDaddy:

Wonder what that means for the talks, if compromise is reached and agreement made it'll pull the rug from under the brexit party

If it's some sort of shabby compromise that is BRINO then the Brexit party will get stronger on the back of the Westminster sellout.

As far as I can see the only thing that would deflate support would be a no deal exit.

1andrew1

03-05-2019 15:23

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35993262)

They punished them for entertaining a bad-deal Brexit and acknowledge that remaining is better than a bad deal whatever their politics.

denphone

03-05-2019 15:37

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Interesting analysis by Peter Barnes the BBC political analyst.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-48131095

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48091592

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Our analysis indicates that both Conservative and Labour have lost ground heavily since last year's local elections when both were estimated to be on 35%.

This is only the second time that the projected national share has put Conservative and Labour below 30% - the last time we did so was in 2013 when UKIP secured a remarkable breakthrough in that year's local elections.

The Lib Dem performance represents a three-point increase on last year and is the party's highest projected share since the 2010 election, after which it entered the coalition with the Conservatives.

However, it is still below the performances that the party registered on a regular basis between 1993 and 2010, during which period the party's projected share never slipped below 24%.

Claims that this election represents the best Lib Dem performance ever thus needs treating with circumspection.

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