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im not sure theres evidence for that.

ah, but could the journalist that wrote that have been lobbied/duped by exxon or scientists in its pay ;-)

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"The letter, a copy of which has been obtained by the Guardian, adds: "I would be grateful if you could let me know which organisations in the UK and other European countries have been receiving funding so that I can work out which of these have been similarly providing inaccurate and misleading information to the public.""
and
"The next IPCC report should give people the final push that they need to take action and we can't have people trying to undermine it."
Seems to have made up their mind, before finding out the facts.;)

or might he not - OK, your evidence backed statement has convinced me:dozey:

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I wouldn't trust Exxon-Mobil though, these are the people that funded George Bush's re-election! Now they are comparing Al Gore to a nazi !

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/23/gore-movie-g/ :erm:

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It does seem as though the Royal Society are attacking the source of the research rather than the research itself.

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How about the fact they are attacking the source of the funding rather than the research itself?

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the overall tenor is one of scepticism not backed up by evidence but that statement does allow for accurate resarch being funded in that it says "which of these have been..."


well i did put one of these ;-) at the end of that statement! :-)

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granted they may well be allowing past experience to cloud judgement of research which they have yet to evaluate. but equally they are suggesting there is evidence to demonstrate that exxon are deliberately trying to exaggerate the extent of scientific opposition to what it claims is an otherwise consensual scientific approach (withinin which there are differences) to the causes of climate change.

the fact that exxon, unlike the other oil companies, is not keen to invist in bio fuels is interesting too, though it could be read a few ways why that might be (such as there convinced of their own science). i remain, as ever, sceptical ;-)

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Apologies for bumping an old thread, but, it is encouraging to have read the following.........I wonder if this country might follow suit next year :rolleyes:

Anyway, it is good to note that the US is doing something about GW at last :tu:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6438563.stm

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The weather today is so amazing for Mid March!! Imagine what its going to be like come July :(

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Just imagine what it will be like in 10 years :Sun:

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Cold probably, like last year

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/22...daffodils.html

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Daffs are blooming (if that's what they do) in Leeds now.

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The planet is due to warm up, no matter what we do about a few gasses- it's currently the coldest it's been for hundreds of millions of years, and has only been this cold three times before.

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Hopefully i'll get around to watch "The Great Global Warming Swindle" tonight. Looks interesting.

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I watched that programme and I thought it was a credible response to the global warming issue. All the interviewees seemed to have the right credentials.

Then I saw the Sunday Times magazine which had an article that was as scary as you can get.

These contradictory standpoints confused me so I thought I'd look a bit deeper.

I went to the Met office website and came across this, which is a sober and scientific study of climate change and climate modelling. I trust the Met Office...and before you say it...it is not the same as predicting next week's weather.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research...modeldata.html

Having read this document, the truth is...scary.

Since this document was written in 2005 there has been an update document.
I would urge everyone to read this stone cold sober document.

Next I will read the Stern report.

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Personally, I don't trust any website ending .gov.uk to handle anything but government spin....

I fimly believe "Man Made" global warming (the planet is warming naturally and theres nothing we can do about it) should be classed along the lines of the Milennium Bug, and is a simple handy tool to raise taxes, keep businesses in line and create jobs.

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That's a very cynical view Paul and I understand where you are coming from but there are departments and departments. Also I would like to think you are right with your conspiracy theory but have you read this report? Have you the knowledge to write with authority or are you just reflecting the thoughts around you and taking the easy line?

I wanted to know if the CO2 build up in the atmosphere was caused by people and I now think I have read a credible arguement that shows that it is our fault. Have you got a credible arguement that says it is not?

Finally, are you willing to gamble with our children's future?