Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36161876)

Have Hamas recruited some forum members ?
Reading this topic you could get that impression. :erm:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36161875)

This will be my last post tonight and I’ll pick it tomorrow if required.

I don’t think that you can draw any parallels between what Palestinians are going through now or have been through in the past and the Holocaust. They not at all comparable….at all.

Well, we know they can’t do it now. But their mindset is of that. If they could they bloody well would. Israel is 100% surrounded…completely….by states that want to see them destroyed.

Well, call me old school. I can get along with brutality. But I was surprised when babies and toddlers were beheaded. There is nothing normal about that. Perhaps if Gengis Khan was behind the attacks I could understand.

And there you have it.

Replace bombs raining down from Israel to executing children and babies by Hamas and you have the exact same point. Is Israeli vengeance the “natural destination”?

Insert Spiderman meme here.

Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36161879)

Do you deny that the OP is the mouthpiece of שר ההסברה? :D

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36161864)

It’s helpful if you don’t selectively quote.



This is the IDF claim as yet uncorroborated.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36161883)

"say with relative confidence" is corroboration.
One possibility for any confusion is that it is DEFINITE that people were beheaded AND babies were killed.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36161885)

I find it odd that the defense of some of this stuff is arguing exactly how the babies were murdered as if it makes much of a difference. It's sick.

The attacks were pure evil. Callous, barbaric, murder. I was going to say it was indiscriminate but it wasn't, they intentionally targeted the weakest and most innocent people as well.

And today there are Jewish Schools in London not opening out of fear and they will be attacked by people celebrating what happened. It's antisemitism pure and simple.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36161869)

Just reading over this thread, and Twitter and other sources. It’s just depressing.

Babies beheaded, children beheaded and burnt alive. Children executed in front of parents, young women raped, families tortured………….

Oh but, what about, what about, I’ll raise you women and children bombed, babies under rubble, cutting off water, food, fuel, power,

Equivalence?

In WWII, the allies did some bad things. Was Dresden necessary? Was Hiroshima and Nagasaki necessary? ( US fire bombing actually killed more people in Japan). The allies did bad things. But were they evil?

War is nasty and horrible, don’t expect reasonable outcomes or actions.

But consider evil……….

The Nazi death camps were evil. Anyone that has watched the footage when the allies first entered those camps will have seen hell on Earth. When the allies made the local German residents walk around the death camps their reactions said it all.

Israel have done and are now doing things that are nasty and arguably vindictive, but are they Evil?

Beheading children, burning them alive, executing them in front of their families, that is evil.

Let’s say Hamas, was big enough and powerful enough to totally invade and take over Israel. Based on what just happened, We would witness another holocaust, they would kill in cold blood every Jew. Men, women and children. Just like the Nazis.

Could you say the same of Israel to Palestinians? Israel are already the big and powerful for over 70 years and still no genocide.

So I find no equivalence between what Hamas have done and what Israel have done. Both have done very bad things. But I find only one to be evil.

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36161884)

You need to look up what corroboration to a claim actually is.

In any case this CNN article is now superseded by the Jerusalem Post article that Hugh linked to. NBC carried a similar story to CNN on misinformation spreading and the absence of sources to independently corroborate the veracity of IDF claims, including US officials unable to do so.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/interne...ial-rcna119902

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36161888)

It's also a question of timing. What was reported and when. Is what was reported before still being reported currently.
Undeniable that people were beheaded and that babies were killed. Just because it may not be that babies were beheaded seems to be wildly missing the point.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36161888)

How many attacks by Hamas is Israel expected to put up with before responding?

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36161889)

All the date stamps are there for everyone to consider my post, the CNN article and other relevant news articles available then and now.

If the details aren’t important they wouldn’t be published. Since they are they might as well get it right with so many lives at stake in Israel’s (dis)proportionate response.

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I can’t find a single post anywhere where anyone has suggested Israel don’t respond at all. Something on the scale below war crimes would be immediately more satisfactory from my point of view.

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36161892)

So there aren't people suggesting that Israel not respond and calling for a one-sided ceasefire instead?

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36161885)

And today there are Jewish Schools in London not opening out of fear and they will be attacked by people celebrating what happened. It's antisemitism pure and simple.

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36161893)

How can a ceasefire be one-sided? :confused:

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36161892)

So there aren't people suggesting that Israel not respond and calling for a one-sided ceasefire instead?