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Earl of Bronze 30-03-2010 14:01

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Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34990751)
What I do have a problem with is the barbaric spectacle of Hunting.

Hunting in general, or Fox Hunting specifically Stuart ?

Stuart 30-03-2010 14:10

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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze (Post 34990889)
Hunting in general, or Fox Hunting specifically Stuart ?

Depends what you mean by hunting. If you mean one man, one gun and one animal, then I have no particular problem with it.

Earl of Bronze 30-03-2010 14:13

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Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34990894)
Depends what you mean by hunting. If you mean one man, one gun and one animal, then I have no particular problem with it.

I guess thats ok then, but I maybe should tell you that I've been paid in the past to hunt Big Game. ;)

Stuart 30-03-2010 14:23

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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze (Post 34990895)
I guess thats ok then, but I maybe should tell you that I've been paid in the past to hunt Big Game. ;)

It's not so much the killing I object to (I eat meat, it would be hypocritical of me to object to people killing animals), it's more the show that fox hunts put on around it, which has sometimes resulted in the deaths of innocent animals (even pets).

Pierre 30-03-2010 14:37

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34990259)
wrong Chris ,one carnivore tears another apart to eat it ,thats nature

You obviously have never had a chicken coup attacked by the fantastic Mr Fox?

A fox will kill every chicken it sees, it may eat one.

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Originally Posted by broadbandking (Post 34990637)
Theirs a lot of humans that are vermin buy we don't kill them by dogs ripping them a part,

Not the kind of vermin I had in mind, but not a bad idea.

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since whens killing a sport.
Hunting is sport, you don't have to get medals and run round a track. The sport is in the chase and possible outcome that the fox can escape.

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All fox hunting is for people with a lot of money to make themselves feel tough as they have little balls to actually do real tough things, up themselves, same here Sirius if I was face to face with a fox hunter he would get one right in the nose.
Ah the haves v the so called have nots.

There is a whole industry based around the sport of fox hunting, I suppose the dog keeper is rich? the stable hands are rich? the people that work in the factories that produce the riding equipment, they're rich too?

I suppose we should ban Bentleys and Rolls Royces too, I mean they're only "for people with a lot of money to make themselves feel" superior? give them a Kia, rich b***ards

Angua 30-03-2010 14:37

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Originally Posted by rogermevans (Post 34875188)
the hunts wont stop that and fox migration in to urban areas was happening long before hunting stopped and could arguably been because of the less likely hood of being hunted

as to foxes killing everything in an area lol what do you expect if you herd together a load of food whether it be a fox ferret or dog that got loose in a hen house not much would survive

as to lambs that's what we used to have shepherds for ;) again if you put a plentiful food source in an enclosed area then its likely a predator will kill many

fox hunting isn't the way to solve any of those problems and in any case often they had to breed foxes to hunt because the area was being used mainly for crop farming

going back to a barbaric way of hunting for pleasure for that is all it was is taking us backwards and gives us less moral grounds to opose other countries maltreatment of animals

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34990900)
You obviously have never had a chicken coup attacked by the fantastic Mr Fox?

A fox will kill every chicken it sees, it may eat one.

:dozey:

Pierre 30-03-2010 14:41

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Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34990894)
Depends what you mean by hunting. If you mean one man, one gun and one animal, then I have no particular problem with it.

Elephants? Tigers?

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Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34990899)
It's not so much the killing I object to (I eat meat, it would be hypocritical of me to object to people killing animals), it's more the show that fox hunts put on around it, which has sometimes resulted in the deaths of innocent animals (even pets).

Ever been to a grouse shoot? that's quite a big show.

Stuart 30-03-2010 14:44

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34990914)

Ever been to a grouse shoot? that's quite a big show.

I used fox hunting as an example. The fact I did not mention any other living creature being hunted does not mean I automatically approve of it. I thought I was quite clear that I don't object to hunting as such, just the kind of hunting that requires many people, horses, dogs etc..

martyh 30-03-2010 18:20

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34990900)
You obviously have never had a chicken coup attacked by the fantastic Mr Fox?

A fox will kill every chicken it sees, it may eat one.

then build a better chicken pen

i would imagine that the fox once he has managed to pick the lock on the pen will get pecked and attacked by the chickens so he will kill them to defend himself ,remember the fox is an animal do not credit him with the same inteligence and thirst for killing that we humans have he relies on instinct not thought and planning


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Hunting is sport, you don't have to get medals and run round a track. The sport is in the chase and possible outcome that the fox can escape.

not a very efficient way of culling a pest then if it has a chance of escaping

Chris 31-03-2010 00:25

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34991109)
not a very efficient way of culling a pest then if it has a chance of escaping

Actually it's extremely efficient. It is the best means available for ensuring only the strongest foxes survive - thereby simultaneously controlling population numbers but also ensuring those that do survive have the best genes, which is in the long-term interests of the species and the ecosystem. You can't fathom all that out whilst looking down a gunsight.

marky 31-03-2010 02:06

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I used to go fox hunting when I was younger, loads of us would gallop after one fox but only one ever got the kill :( more if she was a proper tart :shocked:

Someone said 'one gun one animal' then someone said about Elephants or Tigers, If I was on Belmont moor hunting rabbit and a soddin Tiger jumped out then it would get one between the eyes, I would let the Elephant walk past as its clearly lost :rolleyes:

AS for fox hunting, I agree with banning the packs of hounds in the hunt but not with the whole hunting with dogs thing.
How else can a person go Dogging in an evening :angel:

Gary L 31-03-2010 09:06

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Originally Posted by marky (Post 34991368)
AS for fox hunting, I agree with banning the packs of hounds in the hunt but not with the whole hunting with dogs thing.
How else can a person go Dogging in an evening :angel:

You don't need your own dog. you use somebody elses :)

Peter_ 31-03-2010 10:50

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martyh 31-03-2010 17:38

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34991344)
Actually it's extremely efficient. It is the best means available for ensuring only the strongest foxes survive - thereby simultaneously controlling population numbers but also ensuring those that do survive have the best genes, which is in the long-term interests of the species and the ecosystem. You can't fathom all that out whilst looking down a gunsight.

Chris with all respect i think you're grasping at straws ,farmers and landowners with chickens ,pheasants ,poultry in general don't care about letting the strongest fox survive ,they're the ones they want killed ,ten men with ten guns will do the job they want ,and isn't that why it's done in the first place ? to get rid of a pest to farmers

Chris 31-03-2010 19:22

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Do you need to understand exactly why green vegetables are good for you before you can eat them? Of course not. It's good to eat them whether or not you know about vitamins. It's the same with the point I made above. Population control by hunt is a better means of ensuring the quality of the gene pool than population control by rifle. That's a fact, whether the farmers know or care about it or not.


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