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cook1984 22-10-2008 18:43

Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 
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Originally Posted by Toto (Post 34658667)
No, remember that part of the evidence gathering process is to take some or all of the file from an IP address. Flooding a torrent request with fake IP's doesn't work because you wouldn't be able to get evidence from it.

Depends, Media Defender and others were just using IP addresses. AFAIK no further evidence has ever been produced in a UK court.

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The methods used by the BPI mean that they can produce file evidence because they have collected it, which means they have connected to the peer.
How do they prove it was you though, and not someone else in the family or someone using your wifi connection? I work in a computer shop and we get people coming in all the time saying that they use someone else's wifi.

Keep in mind that even if it's someone you allowed to use your connection, you are still not guilty. It's like if someone borrows your car and gets snapped by a speed camera - they get the points, not you.

Hugh 22-10-2008 18:43

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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34659035)
Be careful what you wish for..... ;)

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Originally Posted by Nugget (Post 34659039)
Absolutely - have you still got that 12-inch pianist?

No - but I wasn't happy when I went down that slide and shouted "Weeeeeeeee!".

Toto 22-10-2008 18:54

Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 
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Originally Posted by cook1984 (Post 34659113)
How do they prove it was you though, and not someone else in the family or someone using your wifi connection? I work in a computer shop and we get people coming in all the time saying that they use someone else's wifi.

Keep in mind that even if it's someone you allowed to use your connection, you are still not guilty. It's like if someone borrows your car and gets snapped by a speed camera - they get the points, not you.

This subject matter has been discussed to death. I think its a given that until a court case happens we may never know how good an unsecured Wifi defence is,or whether the account holder and not the user is responsible..

We've provided you with some very sound advice, don't ignore the letter, get legal help or lick your wounds and pay up, its your choice.

dev 22-10-2008 19:10

Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 
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Originally Posted by Toto (Post 34659124)
This subject matter has been discussed to death. I think its a given that until a court case happens we may never know how good an unsecured Wifi defence is,or whether the account holder and not the user is responsible..

We've provided you with some very sound advice, don't ignore the letter, get legal help or lick your wounds and pay up, its your choice.

i expect the unsecured defence won't work at all, unless you can point the finger elsewhere. Saying someone else did it is just as bad as saying 'i didnt do it'. It's the reasons why ISPs aren't sued, they can point out who actually did it, or, who is responsible for the offending IP.

Bonglet 22-10-2008 20:07

Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 
O rly? lets drag up the old cloned modem adage up again heres a quote taken from one of the most popular cloner sites.

"newmalden mac swap
Postby alebastra on Sun Oct 19, 2008 8:47 pm
ubr15, new malden, nmal.ubr15, blueyonder. anyone?"

Loads more quotes like that if anyone wants more.
Now with any of this evidence produced can vm state 100% that someone else cannot be stealth using someone elses connection?.
Then you have people with unblocked wif-fi even wi-fi hackers where does it all lead to.

piggy 22-10-2008 20:38

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Originally Posted by Toto (Post 34659124)
This subject matter has been discussed to death. I think its a given that until a court case happens we may never know how good an unsecured Wifi defence is,or whether the account holder and not the user is responsible..

We've provided you with some very sound advice, don't ignore the letter, get legal help or lick your wounds and pay up, its your choice.

good advice

cook1984 23-10-2008 00:14

Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 
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Originally Posted by Toto (Post 34659124)
This subject matter has been discussed to death. I think its a given that until a court case happens we may never know how good an unsecured Wifi defence is,or whether the account holder and not the user is responsible..

Does anyone want to prove this with me? Set up a case demanding £1 for infringement of copyright, argue the wifi defence and see what happens?

Seriously, I'm up for it. I'll even be the accused. Make a test case to force the issue. It seems like the only way we will ever put a stop to this.

AppleSauce 23-10-2008 13:46

Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 
I actually know someone who received one of these BPI letters last week.

piggy 23-10-2008 16:19

Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 
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Originally Posted by cook1984 (Post 34659509)
Does anyone want to prove this with me? Set up a case demanding £1 for infringement of copyright, argue the wifi defence and see what happens?

Seriously, I'm up for it. I'll even be the accused. Make a test case to force the issue. It seems like the only way we will ever put a stop to this.

i thought you were the accused :erm:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/12...l#post34658625

is it me??

cook1984 24-10-2008 23:00

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Originally Posted by piggy (Post 34659912)
i thought you were the accused :erm:

I have been accused in the past, but they always drop the claims when I write back to them.

What I mean is, I'd like it to actually go to court so a president can be set.

Is there some way I can get an injunction against Davenport Lyons to stop them harassing me?

whydoIneedatech 24-10-2008 23:14

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Originally Posted by cook1984 (Post 34660938)
I have been accused in the past, but they always drop the claims when I write back to them.

What I mean is, I'd like it to actually go to court so a president can be set.

Is there some way I can get an injunction against Davenport Lyons to stop them harassing me?

Do you want to be President or do you want to set a Precedent.;)

Sirius 24-10-2008 23:16

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Originally Posted by whydoIneedatech (Post 34660941)
Do you want to be President or do you want to set a Precedent.;)

:LOL:

Turkey Machine 24-10-2008 23:43

Re: Britain's six largest ISPs and BPI join forces to attack illegal filesharing
 
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Originally Posted by cook1984 (Post 34660938)
I have been accused in the past, but they always drop the claims when I write back to them.

What I mean is, I'd like it to actually go to court so a president can be set.

Is there some way I can get an injunction against Davenport Lyons to stop them harassing me?

I'm not a lawyer, but wouldn't Citizens Advice Bureau know more? My first inkling would be a civil claims court.

Pedro1 25-10-2008 07:07

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Citizens Advice Bureau are just unpaid volunteers i have been to them in the past about stuff and they aint got a clue.

Turkey Machine 25-10-2008 10:19

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In that case, cook1984 should speak to his solicitor, as they'll know what to do. :)


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