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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ea/6226679.stm

And who's fault do you think that is, Jose?

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Chris, Commons or Porter, although our Chris is on target more often ATM,:cool:

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Exactly. :tu: He has no right to complain whatsoever. He bought the league twice. :rolleyes:

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I'd say its the fault of a club who ask for silly money when Chelsea come knocking on their door. If a club sees a player as part of a piece in their 'jigsaw' as such then most managers will want that player at whatever 'affordable' cost. Its clubs like man city wanting 20 odd milion for SWP, tottenham for wanting 18 million for Carrick, etc etc that push up prices.

Remind me, who much did Rio cost when he went to UTD? I didn't see Fergie complaining at the cost, he simply went ahead and bought him, making the transfer one of the highest for a defender. Maybe he's to blame?

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Kris Commons is a winger, not a striker. (But, he is being used behind the front 2)

Our strikers are wa** - Tyson, (Grant) Holt and Agogo are good, Lester is past it, Harris, well... and Dobie is all running and no end product.

That said, we also desperately need a left back, a centre back who can play the ball out of defence rather than playing hoof or row z, and a defensive midfielder who protects the back 4 and can pass it to Sammy Clingan. Southall looks past it as well.

Do notice that Sheridan has said that Clingan didn't even foul your guy (It's serious foul play and would be a three game ban - as is Cullip's - Forest are appealing it) and that the first pen wasn't even in the box, but anyway...

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Almost £30 million of earned money. And despite some flakey performances, United have stuck by him unlike Chelski who act like kids in a sweet shop, trying different sweets then discarding them when they don't taste nice.

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the result last night showed we threw away two points on Sunday against Newcastle. plus the WHU game too

wonder if Villa will be that poor on Sunday when they play us

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Put it this way, and as much as it pains me to say it - you are absolutely going to hammer Villa on Sunday. We haven't got any strength in depth, so we're only ever one injury away from knackered.

Kiraly's done alright, but I'll be happier when Sorenson's back, and we desperately need to bring some players in this month :shrug:

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How is Grant Holt doing since you bought him from one of my many teams?;)

To be honest the report in the local paper did slate the ref as well and said it was a ridiculous sending off, but reckoned that the Latics would have still won with ease.

Jim.

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well as a Palace fan too I have to say he's not even good enough for the championship

What on earth must the other keepers in Hungary be like if he is the best one :Yikes:

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Abramovich earned the money for every player they bought, in fact the only people who got something without paying for it were the Glazers

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In fairness, he's not done too bad for us but I agree that he's been known to have some shockers in the past. Maybe he's seen this as his opportunity to prove he's good enough for a move away from Palace :shrug:

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Chelsea didn't earn the money though - and the Glazers weren't responsible for the Rio purchase.

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sure Abramovich earnt his money but how can you say the Glazers didn't ? The money was earnt by the father Malcolm, who funder the purchase and is the actual owner the same as Roman is

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Funny I thought they borrowed the cash to buy the club, it seems to be a trend in football at the moment, to own a club without actually using your own money to buy it

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You're right of course but I don't really see what it's got to do with the point in question.

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I'd say that Chelse aren't the only club financing their transfers through the Chariman/owners own money. You often hear of chairmen dipping their hands into their own pockets, its just that BAtes' ones werent deep enough when he was at chelsea.

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Does this guy ever shut up?

But if Chelsea had won the past three games that they have drawn they would be level on points with United. I fail to see why he makes comments like these as it will probably work against him and will be used to spur on the United players.

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Personally I find it more worrying that clubs are being bought through being mortgaged rather than by handing over hard cash, than I do some Russian spending big for trophies, in fact I would go further and say Chelsea's spending policy's don't really bother me, they can't buy everyone and no one has bought success, sure money helps but you still have to put the hard work in look at Leeds for example.

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Now that is what bothers me about Chelsea, the arrogance and nonsense of Mourinho and Kenyon

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not that i want to defend him but the reason there are so many quotes from Mourinho and Fergie etc is to do with both clubs having TV stations.. they have to put something on there that's why both clubs have so many soundbites in the press each day

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OK....and back to the original point, Jose is moaning about an issue he had a major hand in creating.

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here's something worth talking about

Ronaldo's agent said he offered him to Barca but they turned the offer down.. surely that should be enough to get the agent banned as he is under contract to Man U and any contact needs to be done through the club

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Grant Holt is OK.

CC seems to prefer bringing him on, and starting with Commons or Harris behind Tyson and Agogo, but Holt is our top scorer.

Also... he keeps trying to farm him off to Brizzle City. Forest accepted 300 for him a while back, Holt turned it down. Rumour is in the sun it's back on, 200 this time.

You would have won anyway, but not 5-0. QPR fans have a high opinion of Mr Friend too, if you look on their rivals site.

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It's happened again, does anyone actually pay to own a football club anymore?

Liverpool will not have a big transfer kitty when the Dubai takeover goes through as the club will be mortgaged for £300m. (Daily Express)

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Rumour is that he is under investigation once again for illegal, corrupt dealings in his business ventures.:(
Jim.

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Doesn't surprise me in the slightest, I used the term earned in the loosest possible sense, I am sure we'd all like to take out loans to buy something and sell that something at a 15000% profit after having already taken billions out of the same something, wouldn't we ;)

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Oh dear, Forest players being naughty boys. :(

http://tinyurl.com/y55fl5

Jim.

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I see we have signed Boa Morte, apparently Wright- Phillips and Upson will sign within days and Mascerano is sorting out special dispensation to join Liverpool, you can't knock the new owners/ management for giving it a real go

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Was known on the web about, err, Wednesday morning? The NEP (local rag) picked it up yesterday as did BBC.

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You could have let us know on Wednesday, ;) :D

Jim.

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Didn't want to spread potentially false allegations meduck. ;)

FAO chelski fans...

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Slight change of attitude from Bayern Munich :rolleyes:

I am not sure he is worth it, or even if he is needed....

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No he's not worth it at all yesman he's just going to winge and nag about one thing or another untill Ferguson can stand no more and sales him on

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1531: GOAL Nottingham Forest 2-0 Charlton
The Addicks are in trouble as Grant Holt makes it two for Forest with a simple close-range header and the visitors' defence nowhere to be seen. Justice, perhaps, as seconds earlier it looked like Jonathan Fortune had put through is own net with a shot that crashed back off the bar and seemingly over the line.

1527: GOAL Nottingham Forest 1-0 Charlton
James Perch breaks down the left and his low cross is converted by Junior Agogo for his fifth goal of the season.

1520: Nathan Tyson whips a cross in from the left for Nottingham Forest but James Perch heads wide after climbing well to beat Charlton's defenders to the ball.

1515: Nottingham Forest's Nathan Tyson goes on a glory run, but after a length-of-the-field run he stumbles at the last and cannot get a shot away on the edge of the box.

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3-0, Should restore some confidence with a bit of luck :tu:

Also anyone seen this story yet, to call it a shock move is an understatement :D, although I think he is a good player, is he better than what they already have?
Chelsea are considering a shock move for Aston Villa striker Milan Baros. (Various)

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Likewise, winning against a prem side, albeit a **** one, should kick start us again.

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Swansea, oh Swansea, City so high...
I'll be loving Swansea, till the day I die!! :D

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and if they draw united in the next round?

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You'll find me in the South Stand with my United top on :D

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Excellent results from Forest , Swansea & Oldham Athletic, in fact I would venture to say that a 2-2 draw away at Wolves is equal to a home win against Charlton. :)

Jim.

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Looks like there's not going to be any merseyside teams in the next round !

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Gutted for Martin O'Neill and the players... Villa deserved a replay really.

ps - Anyone else fed up with the Beeb's commentators being so one-sided whenever one of the Top-5 teams plays? For example, Lawrenson said, with 20 minutes to go and before Villa has scored, that they'd had their last chance and it was in the bag for Man U, blah blah blah. He had to change his tune a few minutes later of course :D

To be honest, I don't mind Sky having the rights to Premiership footy, because their commentators are so much better. Andy Gray is such a better commentator, imo.

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So true. At half time I want some analysis I don't want to see clips of Schmeichel dancing or working for Danish TV!

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I am really upset over that...no, really...okay, so I may be stretching the truth there...a lot actually...

:D Superb piece of goalkeeping! ;)

I :nworthy: to Ole...

Shows how bad the BBC is when you say that Andy Gray is better...do the BBC do that red button service, like they do with the internationals, where you can just have the match sound, on the FA cup coverage?

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Just to mention it again... U REDSSSSS

little Nottm Forest from the Coca Cola League One 2 (TWO) - 0 (NIL) big Charlton Athletic from the FA Barclays Premiership.

Sweeet.

:)

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i've never been a fan of Lawrenson as all the time when he commentates he does snide and sarky comments that are meant to be funny every 2 seconds that just don't work.. he's not there as a gag man so stop doing it

not a great fan of Andy Gray either though as sometimes a player just hits the ball and it goes it.. you don't have to analyse everything.. several times i've seen the ball been miskicked but it's still worked ok and a team has scored and he says that's from the training ground

he used to play so he should know that isn't always the case.. sometimes you whack it and it goes in

plus AG isn't the FA, FIFA of the IFAB and what he says isn't always correct and to the rules of football

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I thought Villa played well but, to be honest, if we'd got a replay, we'd probably have been beaten then :disturbd: . Anyway, well played Man U :)

As for Lawro? He's always done my head in, and probably always will. He's just a massive fan of the 'bigger' teams but he was worse than ever yesterday - he's always been snide and supportive of Man U etc but, as soon as Villa scored, he just started patronizing them. And he's not funny as he thinks he is anyway...

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What I cant understand is everyone saying how Villa deserved a replay. Before they scored their goal Man U should have had about 6, if only Rooney and Park had hit the target, and Larrson could have had a hat trick. I didnt see much from Villa to justify not losing that game. You'd have thought that they would have done more to try and trouble a new boy in goal.

By the way Im not a Utd fan so im not being biasied.

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Thing is, Man U didn't hit the target as much as they should have, so didn't trouble Kiraly that much. Don't get me wrong, Man U were by far the better team, but the game's all about goals - defensively, Villa were pretty good, and it was down to an individual error that Man U got the winner :shrug:

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SLM, based on their 1st half performance, I'd agree with you... and yeah they were lucky to not have conceded anything in the first 45, but Rooney and Park didn't hit the target - due as much to Villa's defence as Rooney's & Park's misfortune (I think Rooney was massively under-performing, whereas Park had a good game overall).

In the 2nd half their performance was worthy of a replay, imo (by the way, I am a Villa fan, so I am being biased ;))

Nug, you're probably right, if we'd had a replay then the result would still have been the same, with United going through instead of us. Would still have been nice to have shut up the Man U fans though ;)

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You know what? Us Villa fans should stick together, so stuff it - we wuz robbed!

:D

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So we'll just have to say "Villa deserved to draw because even tho Man U were the better team, and their attacking movement was subliminal at times, the link up play between Larson, Rooney, Ronaldo, Giggs and Park a beauty to watch, because they didnt score the winner till the 90th min then Villa deserved the draw" ;)

Can anyone else tell its a quiet day in the office? ;)

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well i've never been a fan of Kiraly after seeing him at Palace a lot and i was expecting us to put him under more pressure than that.. thought we were the better side but as has been the case all year we were on top and never killed the game of.. for all the chances very few were clear cut on target chances

never rated Park and again he ran about with no ideas and didn't do anything at all

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Yup, that's pretty much it :)

It doesn't matter if Man U had 100% of the possession, and the link up play was better than Brazil - the simple fact is that they were unable to score a second goal until the 90th minute, so they're rubbish ;)

Oh, and where the hell did 4 minutes of injury-time come from? I know it's academic cos Man U got their goal in the first minute of it, but where did the other 3 come from?

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They allowed 4 mins to give Villa just enough time to equalise if Utd scored in the 1st minute of it ;)

Anyway why does Kiraly where pyjamas on the pitch?

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Hmm, I don't think we'd have scored again if there'd been 40 minutes of injury-time :)

I'm not sure, but I think the pyjamas are for the nap that he took just as Solksjaer took his shot :D

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i hate that stupid board as it never makes sense.. a few years ago before it came in at the end of the first half we would have had 10 seconds now they fell the need to have 2 mins all the time just to use the board

there was very little in the second half and I only made it about 2 mins iff that.. the thing is during that 4 mins we then got an extra one :Yikes:

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Heh, surprised you didn't hear me screaming at the telly when they showed 4 mins. 1 min at ½ time was correct, and should've been all that was needed for the 2nd half too. With only 1 min of ET, Villa would've just sat on the ball and played it out to get the replay, but with 4 minutes, we were doomed.

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There had to be more than 1 minute because there was two goals and five substitutions in the second half.

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that's where the system doesn't make sense... in the first half even with no stoppages you get about 2 mins as standard now

in the second half they are meant to add on 30 seconds for each sub so if both teams make three each then that is three mins so are they saying when they put the board up with 3 mins for the second half as they do alot that without the subs there wouldn't be any stoppage time ?

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Your right, its not consistant at all but i thought in yetserdays match the stoppage time was about right if your following the rules properly. The ref was right in playing on until the 95th minute also because there had been a goal in stoppage time, which took up about a minute.

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There is a Sub clause in Law 7 which governs this...

It states that if Manchester United are losing or drawing the fourth official will consult with Sir Alex Ferguson over how much additional time there should be. In this case Sir Alex Ferguson's watch will be classified as the official time.

;)

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:rofl:

Sorry, but Lawro used to play for Liverpool...if anything he would be biased against utd ;)

Has anyone watched the Gillette Soccer Saturday on Sky Sports? Why do they always put a former player commentating on their former team for? Some of them are not exactly unbiased.

...plus the Villa goalie wasted 30 seconds in the first minute, trying to take a free kick. ;) :D

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I know he did, which is why I can't understand why he does it. Anyway, it isn't just United - he does for all of the 'Big 4' :shrug:


I wouldn't say he wasted it - he was just trying to re-tie his drawstring ;)

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So the slip was because he hadn't tied it right? ;)

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Nice easy draw for Chelsea, lucky buggers. ;)

Full Draw........

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the draw in full

Arsenal v Bolton
West Ham v Watford
Bristol City or Coventry City v Hull City or Middlesbrough
Chelsea v Nottingham Forest
Chester City or Ipswich Town v Swansea
Cardiff City or Tottenham Hotspur v Southend United or Barnsley
Barnet or Colchester United v Peterborough United or Plymouth Argyle
Birmingham City or Newcastle United v Reading or Burnley
Derby County v Bristol Rovers
Sheffield Wednesday or Manchester City v Southampton
Crystal Palace v Preston North End
Manchester United v Portsmouth
Blackpool v Norwich City
Queens Park Rangers or Luton Town v Blackburn Rovers
Wolverhampton Wanderers or Oldham v West Bromwich Albion
Leicester City or Fulham v Stoke City


The ties will be played on Friday 26, Saturday 27 and Sunday 28 January.

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oops ! A bit late there. oops:

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Oh i can see Portsmouth winning that one

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very unfair....Chelsea get a league 1 team again whilst Arsenal will have to slug it out with Bolton. same as for ManU double prem team....

okay would love to see Forrest win that game...but doubt it.

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Shame, was hoping Swansea would get Man Utd at the Liberty Stadium :(

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Looking at that draw, it wouldn't be a massive shock if they meet in the fifth round ;)

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w00t a money spinner, although we won't beat their 3rds.

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Here one for TheDaddy........

Linky

I never really rated Quashie................but Curbs knows what he's doing, surely. ;)

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I think he's alright, an unspectacular solid performer, a pretty good passer, pretty solid in the tackle and more importantly someone who won't go 'missing', just what we need :tu:

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Even though he guaranteed his gun running, tax evading father would have no input in the club, this comes out, so much for the much vaunted 'fit and proper persons' test

The father of Pompey owner Alexandre Gaydamak has been bankrolling the club's transfers, even though he is also the owner of an Israeli team. (Daily Express)

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Blimey, nine goals at Anfield :erm:

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That reminds me, TigaSefi has been very quiet recently.;)

Jim.

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Michael Jackson signs for Liverpool. Apparently the prospect of being spanked by 11 kids at home was too good a proposition to turn down! :D

Jim.

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Wycombe held :D

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There's hope then.

Chelski v Forest, 28/1/07, 1400, BBC1.

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Wycombe did well tonight. Paul Lambert must be very happy with his team. Dunno if anyone watched the Aberdeen v Hibs game tonight, but it was a cracking 2-2 draw.

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Ronaldo The Best, Again

http://www.manchesterunited.vitalfoo...le.asp?a=46404
And fully deserved too imo :tu:

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Ronaldo to Madrid in the summer again and fully deserved to
On any even happier note

Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho has confirmed to a "close friend" that he will quit Chelsea in the summer. (Sun)

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Only if they have £50,000,000 ;)

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Don't think I'd sell him, even for that huge sum, he is vital to your club, even more so than Rooney imo

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Well, what a surprise :rolleyes:

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I seriously doubt that will happen, i cannot see Chelsea getting rid of Robben and the Russian said he wont be losing anymore of his billions on an 'underperforming' club.

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Maybe Abramovich should do what is advertised at the bottom of that report..... "Apply Now for the Man United Credit Card" :)

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:rofl:

Or maybe try to get some extra funds by using the "Football betting Advice!" advert.

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Seems like Chelsea are hell-bent on permanently taking United's crown as 'most hated club'.

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Russ wasnt that the case already with Chelsea?

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I heard this rumour a couple of weeks back, I didn't buy it then and I don't buy it now. I think Bayern are playing games and Chelsea are happy to let them, I can't see Robben being keen on playing in the German league, even if it is for one of the biggest teams in the world and I can't see Hargreaves being wanted by Chelsea, where will they play him, of the top of my head they already have six central midfielders and Robben is surprisingly one of the few players they have that actually gets the fans of the seats, would they get rid of him for another tough tackling defensive midfielder and Hargreaves doesn't seem to be one of the players that's all ego, so it should be obvious to him what the best move for his career is

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Now, I am no fan of Chelsea and Mourinho, but if this is true, it's disgraceful of one player to say this, especially after the rest of the team is backing Mourinho. He should buck his ideas up before running to the big boss complaining...

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Well he is going to go to the guy who bought him.

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Yes, but he should realise that the majority of his team mates do not want a change. He gets dropped and substituted all the time and then goes running to daddy, instead of sorting his game out. Fair enough, if they were bottom of the league and everyone hated him.

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Looks like he has been at it again, incidentally stitching you guy's up yet again

And the Blues will spend £20m at the end of the season on Atletico Madrid striker Fernando Torres - a player Jose Mourinho does not rate. (Daily Star)

There was me thinking he liked to keep a low profile

But Abramovich may not be there to see the striker in action as he has threatened to boycott Saturday's match at Anfield. The Russian does not think Blues fans appreciate him enough. (Daily Mail)

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To be fair you can't fault his work rate.
He isn't the type of player for Chelsea, they don't play his sort of game. He is a penalty area predator, the narrowness of Chelsea means he doesn't get opportunities. Mourinho didn't want him therefore won't change his style of play to incorporate him.

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To be honest i would be surprised if any of the recent stories about Chelsea are true. It's just the media trying to stir things up and they have managed to do it by Chelsea's below par form of late. I don't think they will sign Hargreaves or Torres and they won't sell Robben. The only thing that may possibly happen, in my opinion, is Mourinho leaving at the end of the season. I think if he wins the Champions league he will leave and if he doesn't he may be forced out for "underachieving" :rolleyes: If he does leave it will be a blow for Chelsea in my opinion as there aren't that many better managers around than him.

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Not as big a blow as Roman leaving though.

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Yeah apparently Mourinho thinks Torres is slow and he prefers Villa.

He's upset that fans have been supporting Mourinho over him. If I was a Chelsea fan I wouldn't want to **** Roman off.. if he leaves they are sunk!