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jfman 06-03-2025 12:05
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
You can hardly describe Europe as neglecting it’s defence spending when it’s largely met commitments agreed what NATO and previous US administrations expected.

The difference now is Europe has an openly hostile US President trying to shake us down for more defence spending by evoking the Russian bogeyman. The reality is America - even the Trump administration - wouldn’t ditch the strategic benefits that it’s bases littered around Europe provides if they were genuinely under threat from a nefarious actor. Ukraine was an ally of convenience and thus disposable.

If Europe are to participate in the charade that military expenditure should be here. Not lining the pockets of the US military industrial complex.

tweetiepooh 06-03-2025 12:27
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Wonder what would happen if he instructs software companies not to renew or supply tools to countries that won't play ball. Hardware, circuits etc. Not allowing traffic routed through US equipment.
Would the US companies play ball under threat? Would some move their "production" out of the US?

TheDaddy 06-03-2025 12:54
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36192370)
The economy was shit under Biden. The cost of living was a major factor that got Trump re-elected. I wouldn’t be so disingenuous about the cost of items at this stage - every day grocery items won’t come down in the short few weeks he’s been in office.

Cost of living was a major factor but people ignored the wage growth & the jobs created, preferring to listen to a proven liar offering simplistic solutions, promising to get prices down on day 1 and now they're paying the price


Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36192388)

Yes, but all this talk of “Can’t rely on U.S - Europe to go it alone” - I’d be saying fine, can’t rely on U.S but I also can’t rely on any of our European neighbours either, they’ve neglected their Defence spending for decades, because they’ve always seen America as the advantage, as we’ve seen, Trump the “transactional” president demands Europeans beef up their Defense spending.
You don't think it suited America then? I think it did and that was proven when 9/11 happened and their allies stepped up to support them with their soldiers lives, something shady vance chose to ignore the other days when he spaffed some country who hasn't fought a war in 40 years , he can try to row back on those comments and say they're outrageous as he never mentioned Britain but the fact is the only two countries who'd offered peacekeepers in Ukraine at the time he made those comments were Britain and France, never heard that dope say thank you either

Pierre 06-03-2025 13:08
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36192396)
Cost of living was a major factor but people ignored the wage growth & the jobs created, preferring to listen to a proven liar offering simplistic solutions, promising to get prices down on day 1 and now they're paying the price
If only 164,000,000 Americans had listened to you, who obviously knows better.

Stephen 06-03-2025 13:15
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36192397)
If only 164,000,000 Americans had listened to you, who obviously knows better.
Except Trump only won with 49.8% of votes. Which was about 74 million.

jfman 06-03-2025 13:28
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36192398)
Except Trump only won with 49.8% of votes. Which was about 74 million.
Yes but Pierre’s point has some validity as the Democrats lost more voters to the couch than they did to Trump. A message that just didn’t resonate.

Pierre 06-03-2025 13:32
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36192398)
Except Trump only won with 49.8% of votes. Which was about 74 million.
The population of the USA is 340 million.

Stephen 06-03-2025 13:34
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36192400)
The population of the USA is 340 million.
And? What's your point? They all didn't vote.

Pierre 06-03-2025 13:47
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36192401)
And? What's your point?.
I was a little out with my initial figure

But you’re suggesting only 21% of the US population voted for Trump, I would say you were miles out.

jfman 06-03-2025 13:54
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36192402)
I was a little out with my initial figure

But you’re suggesting only 21% of the US population voted for Trump, I would say you were miles out.
The population and number of eligible voters aren’t the same thing though. ;)

Itshim 06-03-2025 14:11
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Guess what I got it wrong again, shouldn't listen to my local congressman
Trump won 77,284,118 votes, or 49.8 percent of the votes cast for president. That is the second highest vote total in U.S. history, trailing only the 81,284,666 votes that Joe Biden won in 2020. Trump won 3,059,799 more popular votes in 2024 than he won in 2020 and 14,299,293 more than he won in 2016. He now holds the record for the most cumulative popular votes won by any presidential candidate in U.S. history, surpassing Barack Obama. Running three times for the White House obviously helps.

Kamala Harris won 74,999,166 votes or 48.3 percent of the votes cast. That was 6,285,500 fewer popular votes than Biden won in 2020, but 774,847 more than Trump won in 2020.
Guess what I got it wrong again ! Shouldn't listen to my local congressman!
More than 155 million Americans voted in 2024: 156,302,318 to be exact. That’s the second largest total voter turnout in U.S. history in absolute terms. It is also just the second time that more than 140 million people voted in a presidential election.

In relative terms, voter turnout nationally in 2024 was 63.9 percent. That is below the 66.6 percent voter turnout recorded in 2020, which was the highest voter turnout rate in a U.S. presidential election since 1900. Nonetheless, turnout in 2024 was still high by modern standards. The 1960 election between John F. Kennedy and Richard Nixon (63.8 percent) is the only other election in the last 112 years to exceed 63 percent voter turnout. If you are wondering, the election of 1876 holds the record for the highest percentage voter turnout: 82.6 percent. That was one of America’s most controversial and consequential elections—and not in a good way. It was also an election in which more than half the adult-age population was ineligible to vote.

Wisconsin holds the place of pride as the state with the highest voter turnout in 2024—76.93 percent of eligible voters in the Badger State voted. Five of the six battleground states that switched from Biden to Trump saw their turnout exceed the national average; only Arizona (63.6 percent) was below, and then just barely. Hawaii holds the distinction of being the state with the lowest voter turnout. Just 50 percent of Hawaiians

TheDaddy 06-03-2025 14:42
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36192397)
If only 164,000,000 Americans had listened to you, who obviously knows better.
They wouldn't get the chance to because unlike co-president Musk I don't meddle in other countries elections and call me old fashioned but I really do prefer my sarcasm to be factually and statistically accurate but I can be lazy too, so you're saying 164,000,000 Americans voted for this and are happy with how it's going then, fine I'll leave it there then.

Hugh 06-03-2025 14:47
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36192402)
I was a little out with my initial figure

But you’re suggesting only 21% of the US population voted for Trump, I would say you were miles out.
Trump voters - 77.3 million
US population- 340.1 million

= 22.73%

Stephen 06-03-2025 14:58
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36192402)
I was a little out with my initial figure

But you’re suggesting only 21% of the US population voted for Trump, I would say you were miles out.
I'm not suggesting anything. Not every eligible voters actually voted. Turn out was about 63.5%

Mick 06-03-2025 16:25
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36192398)
Except Trump only won with 49.8% of votes. Which was about 74 million.
You’re a few million out on total vote tally. Not that it really matters, he won.

Donald Trump (Republican Party): 77,302,169 votes (49.8%)
Kamala Harris (Democratic Party): 75,015,834 votes (48.3%)

Hugh 06-03-2025 16:49
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
1 Attachment(s)
Trump announces month-long suspension of Mexico tariffs

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y03qleevvo

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...6&d=1741280268

Damien 06-03-2025 17:58
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Stocks are still sinking because he looks completely chaotic, even by his standards.

Tariffs, then a month delay from tariffs, then tariffs right away, says not for auto makers for one month when they see how badly it will increase car prices, then delays the Mexican ones.

Pierre 06-03-2025 18:06
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36192406)
Trump voters - 77.3 million
US population- 340.1 million

= 22.73%
That really surprised me!

papa smurf 06-03-2025 18:13
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36192414)
Stocks are still sinking because he looks completely chaotic, even by his standards.

Tariffs, then a month delay from tariffs, then tariffs right away, says not for auto makers for one month when they see how badly it will increase car prices, then delays the Mexican ones.
There's nothing like a well thought out strategy , and this is nothing like one ;)

jfman 06-03-2025 18:19
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Could be lucrative for anyone, hypothetically, turning their shitcoins into cash then investing in the stock market if you know when to make the jump.

Itshim 06-03-2025 18:48
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36192414)
Stocks are still sinking because he looks completely chaotic, even by his standards.

Tariffs, then a month delay from tariffs, then tariffs right away, says not for auto makers for one month when they see how badly it will increase car prices, then delays the Mexican ones.
As we have sold out of vehicles, it has been decided to call this side of the business done. Will wait and see what is happens. Have reports of tesla outlets being attacked, guess Trumps ideas are not going down to well with some people .

1andrew1 06-03-2025 19:26
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
The one thing that business likes is certainty. Trump is the opposite to certainty and is creating an unfriendly environment for business.

Paul 06-03-2025 19:54
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36192410)
Not that it really matters, he won.
Unfortunately, Yes.

Mr K 06-03-2025 20:18
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36192406)
Trump voters - 77.3 million
US population- 340.1 million

= 22.73%
17 million out of 68 million voted for Brexit, the numbers aren't that different.

Chris 06-03-2025 20:23
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
It’s all a bit pointless complaining, when the side that won, did so according to the rules of the election which all participants knew and accepted in advance. :shrug:

jfman 06-03-2025 20:27
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36192422)
It’s all a bit pointless complaining, when the side that won, did so according to the rules of the election which all participants knew and accepted in advance. :shrug:
:D

Damien 06-03-2025 20:34
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
He has now reversed the Canada tariffs for a month as well.

ianch99 06-03-2025 20:55
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Reports that Trump will kick out the Ukraniuan refugees from the US per Reuters:

Trump Planning On Canceling Legal Status For 240,000 Ukrainians Who Fled War With Russia, Report Says

Quote:
President Donald Trump is planning to revoke temporary legal status for about 240,000 Ukrainians who fled Russia’s invasion of the country, Reuters reported Thursday, following weeks of an escalating feud between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy—and a drive by Trump to boost deportations.

Mr K 06-03-2025 21:04
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
There is a missing Trump supporter on this forum who claimed Trump isn't all bad. I think he's wrong.

thenry 06-03-2025 21:12
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Didn't Trump go after Muslims during his first term? Telling Ukrainians to do one is hardly surprising.

Hugh 06-03-2025 21:16
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36192422)
It’s all a bit pointless complaining, when the side that won, did so according to the rules of the election which all participants knew and accepted in advance. :shrug:
Unlike the previous Election…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...lty-screening/

Quote:
Candidates for top national security positions in the Trump administration have faced questions that appear designed to determine whether they have embraced the president’s false claims about the outcome of the 2020 election and its aftermath, according to people familiar with cases of such screening.

The questions asked of several current and former officials up for top intelligence agency and law enforcement posts revolved around two events that have become President Donald Trump’s litmus test to distinguish friend from foe: the result of the 2020 election and the Jan. 6, 2021, assault on the U.S. Capitol, according to the people, who, like others interviewed for this report, spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the matter’s sensitivity.

These people said that two individuals, both former officials who were being considered for positions within the intelligence community, were asked to give “yes” or “no” responses to the questions: Was Jan. 6 “an inside job?” And was the 2020 presidential election “stolen?”

These individuals, who did not give the desired straight “yes” answers, were not selected. It is not clear whether other factors contributed to the decision.

Hugh 07-03-2025 08:32
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Pay up or we won’t defend you, Trump warns NATO

https://www.thetimes.com/article/8e5...e02c117c98fe13

Quote:
Donald Trump has left the future of the alliance in doubt after he said countries that did not meet the Nato spending target would not be defended by the US.

Article 5 of the founding treaty states that an attack against one ally would be considered an attack against all.

Speaking in the White House on Thursday night, he said: “If you’re not going to pay, we’re not going to defend them.”

He went on: “The biggest problem I have with Nato … I mean, I know the guys very well. They’re friends of mine, but if the United States was in trouble, and we called them, we said, ‘We got a problem. France, we got a problem’. Couple of others, I won’t mention, you think they’re going to come and protect us? They’re supposed to, I’m not so sure.

“We’ve been supporting the whole world. When I first came in, we were paying almost 100 per cent of Nato … We were paying the bills for other countries and yet those same countries … the European countries were ripping us off in trade.”
A) France isn’t in NATO,
B) France sent troops to Afghanistan, and had troops in Desert Shield and Desert Storm
C) "Since 2001, troops from the U.S.'s NATO allies have stood shoulder to shoulder with American soldiers in Afghanistan. More than one thousand of these soldiers have paid the ultimate price"*

*from the 9/11 Memorial site - https://www.911memorial.org/learn/re...unity-responds

papa smurf 07-03-2025 08:36
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36192378)
Does anyone here drive a Swasticar? :D

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1741252609

more bad news as the V3 explodes ,the nazi conquest of mars will have to wait.

https://news.sky.com/story/spacex-st...orida-13323119

Damien 07-03-2025 08:43
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36192430)
Pay up or we won’t defend you, Trump warns NATO

https://www.thetimes.com/article/8e5...e02c117c98fe13



A) France isn’t in NATO,
B) France sent troops to Afghanistan, and had troops in Desert Shield and Desert Storm
C) "Since 2001, troops from the U.S.'s NATO allies have stood shoulder to shoulder with American soldiers in Afghanistan. More than one thousand of these soldiers have paid the ultimate price"*

*from the 9/11 Memorial site - https://www.911memorial.org/learn/re...unity-responds
France is in NATO?

1andrew1 07-03-2025 08:55
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Yes, France is in NATO.
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_52044.htm

Hugh 07-03-2025 10:01
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36192432)
France is in NATO?
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36192433)
My bad - I had forgotten they had rejoined in 2009.

B) still stands -they did these before re-joining.

Stephen 07-03-2025 10:19
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36192435)
My bad - I had forgotten they had rejoined in 2009.

B) still stands -they did these before re-joining.
Didn't think they ever left as they were a Founding Member.

Chris 07-03-2025 10:45
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
France never left Nato. It was not part of any of its planning or command structures from 1966 until 2009 and while it is now mostly reintegrated it does not participate in nuclear planning, a decision which may prove increasingly wise in the coming years.

papa smurf 08-03-2025 16:16
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
i would love to be a fly on the wall when the orange man baby see's this

Trump Turnberry vandalised by pro-Palestine group

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr52q7l6drdo

he just might invoke article 5 over this:)

Chris 08-03-2025 17:53
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
I’m surprised it doesn’t happen more often to be honest.

Judging by the mess up the front of that building, they brought some serious hardware with them.

Pierre 09-03-2025 18:53
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36192495)
I’m surprised it doesn’t happen more often to be honest.

Judging by the mess up the front of that building, they brought some serious hardware with them.
If, and when, caught their homes or other property should also be vandalised, I’d happily do it, and not just for them, I’ll also do it for just stop oil, BLM, any group that vandalises property in the name of protest.

Stephen 09-03-2025 19:05
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36192530)
If, and when, caught their homes or other property should also be vandalised, I’d happily do it, and not just for them, I’ll also do it for just stop oil, BLM, any group that vandalises property in the name of protest.
So vandalism is wrong but you'd happily do it. Ermmm OK. Two wrongs don't make a right!

Pierre 09-03-2025 21:25
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36192531)
So vandalism is wrong but you'd happily do it. Ermmm OK. Two wrongs don't make a right!
Sometimes they do.

If you thought your property would be under threat, by your actions, you may decide to act differently.

It’s called a deterrent.


Your attitude is very naive.

1andrew1 09-03-2025 21:36
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36192536)
Sometimes they do.

If you thought your property would be under threat, by your actions, you may decide to act differently.

It’s called a deterrent.


Your attitude is very naive.
So what you're saying is that because the Palestinians thought their property was under threat from appropriation by Trump, it was acceptable for them to deface Trump's property in Scotland to act as a deterrent to him?

Pierre 09-03-2025 22:15
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36192537)
So what you're saying is that because the Palestinians thought their property was under threat from appropriation by Trump, it was acceptable for them to deface Trump's property in Scotland to act as a deterrent to him?
There’s so much wrong in that statement, intentionally so, I can only assume. That I invite you to explain it, in the context of and referring to the applicable parts of my posts that are relevant to your answer, by quote and answer.

I’ll wait…..it’s also late so you’ve got all Monday to respond.

Stephen 09-03-2025 22:52
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36192536)
Sometimes they do.

If you thought your property would be under threat, by your actions, you may decide to act differently.

It’s called a deterrent.


Your attitude is very naive.
How is getting revenge a detersnt exactly?

Naive, I don't think so! I'd report to the police get security etc.

pip08456 09-03-2025 23:36
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36192537)
So what you're saying is that because the Palestinians thought their property was under threat from appropriation by Trump, it was acceptable for them to deface Trump's property in Scotland to act as a deterrent to him?
I'm sure the Scots would laud anyone who defaced Trumps unwelcomed property.

Pierre 10-03-2025 07:02
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36192541)
Naive, I don't think so! I'd report to the police get security etc.
Yes, ‘cos they’ve proven to be really effective in these situations.

papa smurf 10-03-2025 07:58
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36192542)
I'm sure the Scots would laud anyone who defaced Trumps unwelcomed property.
They probably view it as a Russian asset

Hugh 10-03-2025 09:21
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
https://www.whitehouse.gov/remarks/2...very%20quickly.

Quote:
REMARKS BY PRESIDENT TRUMP BEFORE CABINET MEETING

The White House February 26, 2025…


…THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much. Great job.

In just over one month, illegal border crossings have plummeted by numbers that nobody has actually ever seen before. It’s much more than 100 percent.

Stephen 10-03-2025 09:38
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Numbers have never been his strong point.

papa smurf 10-03-2025 09:45
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36192567)
Numbers have never been his strong point.
or the truth

1andrew1 10-03-2025 09:55
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36192559)
They probably view it as a Russian asset
Wonder if it will get frozen like other Russian assets?

papa smurf 10-03-2025 10:00
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36192572)
Wonder if it will get frozen like other Russian assets?
He's likely to unfreeze Russian assets, now he's shown his true allegiance.

TheDaddy 10-03-2025 12:40
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36192571)
or the truth
much more than 100% :confused: :dunce: :spin:

Hugh 10-03-2025 13:55
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/doge-job-...135033689.html

Quote:
DOGE job cuts bring pain to Trump heartland

PARKERSBURG, West Virginia (Reuters) -Jennifer Piggott proudly hung a red-and-blue Trump campaign flag outside her one-story home during the November election race. Now, after she was abruptly fired from her civil service job, her days of supporting the president are over.

Piggott is among more than 125 people dismissed in February from the Treasury Department's Bureau of Fiscal Service in Parkersburg, West Virginia, unsettling a community that voted overwhelmingly for Republican President Donald Trump.

"Nobody that I've talked to understood the devastation that having this administration in office would do to our lives," Piggott, 47, told Reuters in an interview, saying she would not have supported Trump if she knew then what she knows now.

"As much as I think that President Trump is doing wonderful things for the country in some regards, I don't understand this at all," she said.

Piggott worked at BFS for five years and had recently been promoted. That promotion made her a target as the Trump administration began firing thousands of probationary federal workers - a group that includes new hires but also existing workers moving from one internal position to another...

… In interviews with three dozen workers, business owners and politicians in Parkersburg, which sits at the convergence of two rivers including the mighty Ohio, nearly all said Trump's focus on cutting government spending was a worthy goal. But most said they knew BFS employees to be hard-working and didn't see them as the right target if the aim was to eliminate waste.

Scot Heckert, a Republican who represents parts of Parkersburg in the West Virginia state legislature, said he was worried that layoffs at BFS, which employs about 2,200 workers in Parkersburg, would "devastate" the local economy because the workers earned higher-than-average salaries, and because of the looming prospect of another round of cuts.

He said his daughter-in-law was among those fired and that he was seeking more information on why so many jobs were eliminated in a seemingly indiscriminate manner before he would commit to backing Trump in the future…

… Roger Conley is a Trump supporter who left the Republican Party last year because he thought it was too liberal. In a Facebook post before BFS workers were cut, Conley said DOGE was acting like any successful business in boosting efficiency and wondered why anyone would question its moves to lower costs.

Then his son lost his job at BFS, according to union members.

In a February 20 Facebook post, Conley said while he still backed Trump, he questioned the need to fire so many people so quickly and whether Musk was the right person to lead the effort…

… One veteran caught up in the BFS layoffs was Chauncy James, who was promoted twice during his 18 months at BFS, the second time to building maintenance.

James, 42, said he too worries about making his mortgage payment and feeding his five children. At last week's rally he marched with a sign criticizing Musk and said he regretted voting for Trump.

"They are pretty much just coming here, chopping heads off, without really doing their homework," James said. "He got elected president and he's doing a lot of things that people never even imagined that he was going to do to us."
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2025/03/2.jpg

1andrew1 10-03-2025 14:18
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
1 Attachment(s)
Reassuring to see that The Times understands where Trump is coming from.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1741616397

https://www.thetimes.com/comment/car...2025-6pjdzrrpl

Paul 10-03-2025 18:12
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36192584)
much more than 100% :confused: :dunce: :spin:
Perhaps people are so fed up of Trump now they are crossing into Mexico. :angel:

1andrew1 10-03-2025 19:39
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36192538)
There’s so much wrong in that statement, intentionally so, I can only assume. That I invite you to explain it, in the context of and referring to the applicable parts of my posts that are relevant to your answer, by quote and answer.

I’ll wait…..it’s also late so you’ve got all Monday to respond.
Not a hard task so happy to oblige.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36192536)
If you thought your property would be under threat
The Palestinians and their supporters have a right to think this as Trump as Trump has suggested that the Palestinians in Gaza relinquish their territory and relocate to other countries. And that he redevelops the territory.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-gaz...fbb22b0bcf47ba

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36192536)
by your actions, you may decide to act differently.

It’s called a deterrent.
So by defacing Trump's property in Scotland, it may act as a deterrent to his Gaza redevelopment plan being carried out, however unrealistic such a plan was (like many of his plans though eg Canada, Greenland, the Wall...)

---------- Post added at 19:39 ---------- Previous post was at 19:27 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36192598)
Perhaps people are so fed up of Trump now they are crossing into Mexico. :angel:
They're certainly moving to the UK and Ireland!

Quote:
Americans apply for UK citizenship in record numbers

Donald Trump’s election and British tax changes believed to be behind 40% rise in applications

The number of Americans applying for UK citizenship rose to the highest on record last year, with Donald Trump’s return to power and UK tax changes contributing to a surge in applications by US citizens in Britain.

Over 6,100 US citizens applied last year, the most since records began two decades ago and 26 per cent more than in 2023. Overall applications for UK citizenships were up 6 per cent to 251,000, another record.

Applications by US citizens surged in the last quarter of 2024 in particular, rising 40 per cent year on year to about 1,700, according to data published by the Home Office.

Immigration lawyers said Trump’s presidential re-election bid and victory in early November helped drive the increase, along with UK tax changes encouraging Americans to secure British passports before they exit.

Elena Hinchin, partner at law firm Farrer & Co, said the US political landscape was “a very serious driver” of increased interest in UK residency.

“We’ve definitely seen more interest in citizenship from the US since the lead-up to the election campaign,” she said. “There’s much more interest than under the previous Trump administration.”..

There has also been an increase in Americans seeking citizenship in Ireland, with data revealing a 46 per cent rise in applications last year from people in North America with Irish ancestry.
https://www.ft.com/content/e20a2ea0-...7-05030f4a4c93

Russ 10-03-2025 19:50
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
I wonder if Reform will be campaigning to send the message that "the Yanks aren't welcome here, we're too full"? :D

Pierre 10-03-2025 21:46
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36192604)
Not a hard task so happy to oblige.
Monday night entertainment.


Quote:
The Palestinians and their supporters have a right to think this as Trump as Trump has suggested that the Palestinians in Gaza relinquish their territory and relocate to other countries. And that he redevelops the territory.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-gaz...fbb22b0bcf47ba
You said, in your post, “Palestinians”…….not Palestinians and their supporters. Trump may have said many things, but has done nothing to anyone, let alone anyone in Scotland or any Palestinians resident in Scotland, of which I would think there are few.

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So by defacing Trump's property in Scotland, it may act as a deterrent to his Gaza redevelopment plan being carried out, however unrealistic such a plan was (like many of his plans though eg Canada, Greenland, the Wall...)
Billionaire developer and leader of the most powerful nation in the world, terrified by hurty words sprayed on his hotel. Agrees to change policy.

It was a brave attempt Andrew, C+, needs work. But keep working.

Paul 11-03-2025 03:31
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Global stocks drop ...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gdwgjkk1no

Quote:
Share markets in Asia have fallen after a selloff in the US was triggered by President Donald Trump not ruling out the suggestion that his tariffs could trigger a recession in the world's biggest economy.
The guy is just a complete .... https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2025/03/1.png

jfman 11-03-2025 06:47
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
I don’t think anyone, anywhere, expected the success or otherwise of Trump’s economic plans to be seen in the short term on the Asian stock markets.

It’s very likely the approach will smash the status quo and financial institutions losing out will rail against it just like they did Liz Truss. The difference is Trump has a clear democratic mandate that will be difficult to unpick in the next 4 years. He also doesn’t have the risk of not being re-elected to worry about.

On the other side a global recession, if it got that far, creates plenty of opportunities. I’m sure it was Jacob Rees-Mogg’s investment firm that described Covid as a “once or twice a generation” event for the markets. Trump resetting the US economic relationship will create massive opportunities for supernormal profits at the roulette wheel.

Warren Buffet’s Berkshire Hathaway has been banking on a stock market fall for some time by holding low yield (and low risk) Treasury bills and cash to the tune of almost $300bn.

Maggy 11-03-2025 10:03
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Success? Bit early for that judgement.

TheDaddy 11-03-2025 10:43
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36192626)
I don’t think anyone, anywhere, expected the success or otherwise of Trump’s economic plans to be seen in the short term on the Asian stock markets.

It’s very likely the approach will smash the status quo and financial institutions losing out will rail against it just like they did Liz Truss. The difference is Trump has a clear democratic mandate that will be difficult to unpick in the next 4 years. He also doesn’t have the risk of not being re-elected to worry about.

On the other side a global recession, if it got that far, creates plenty of opportunities. I’m sure it was Jacob Rees-Mogg’s investment firm that described Covid as a “once or twice a generation” event for the markets. Trump resetting the US economic relationship will create massive opportunities for supernormal profits at the roulette wheel.

Warren Buffet’s Berkshire Hathaway has been banking on a stock market fall for some time by holding low yield (and low risk) Treasury bills and cash to the tune of almost $300bn.
So when he's saying you're gonna be so rich you won't know what to do with the money he's not talking to average Americans, he's talking to Rees- Smug type billionaire investors, yeah that makes sense, make the rich richer and the poor so dirt poor they're happy for any crumbs thrown seems like a policy he'd like, still at least he isn't a black woman America, imagine how much worse that'd be

Itshim 11-03-2025 11:00
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
I keep failing to understand the surprise expressed here, anyone that has ever read about the way he has run his company would recognise his style. Mind you buying and selling property is most definitely not running a country. I'm not offering a defence, just pointing out his mind set .

papa smurf 11-03-2025 15:14
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36192633)
I keep failing to understand the surprise expressed here, anyone that has ever read about the way he has run his company would recognise his style. Mind you buying and selling property is most definitely not running a country. I'm not offering a defence, just pointing out his mind set .

Deranged.

Damien 11-03-2025 15:16
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
He just posted this morning again calling for Canada to be the 51st state and imposing more tariffs. He is deranged. None of this makes sense other than appeasing his own ego.

papa smurf 11-03-2025 15:20
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
will he put America into chapter11 bankruptcy like he has on all his business ventures that have employed his financial genius.

1andrew1 11-03-2025 15:30
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36192633)
I keep failing to understand the surprise expressed here, anyone that has ever read about the way he has run his company would recognise his style. Mind you buying and selling property is most definitely not running a country. I'm not offering a defence, just pointing out his mind set .
Badly, and into the ground.

papa smurf 11-03-2025 15:44
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Trump to buy a tesla to support musk

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjdg4x08ylo

one sale :rolleyes: that'll help now the company has lost 15% of its value

1andrew1 11-03-2025 16:24
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36192644)
Trump to buy a tesla to support musk

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqjdg4x08ylo

one sale :rolleyes: that'll help now the company has lost 15% of its value
I'm sure Tesco has an appropriate slogan for this! ;)

Itshim 11-03-2025 18:43
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36192642)
Badly, and into the ground.
He is clearly living beyond this means. :cool:

Hugh 11-03-2025 21:49
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
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Swiss Tony is alive and well…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1741729749

Chris 11-03-2025 21:53
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
“You see, Elon, dismantling America’s global reputation as a beacon of freedom and democracy is very much like making love to a beautiful woman …

… or so I’ve been told”

thenry 11-03-2025 23:24
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
That's a nice colour

Hugh 11-03-2025 23:47
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by thenry (Post 36192687)
That's a nice colour
It’s not natural - he dyes it…

Stephen 12-03-2025 00:05
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Surprised at Trump with a Tesla, isn't that too woke for him:erm::dozey:

Also isn't that some sort of conflict of interest buying a car from an employee's business:D

1andrew1 12-03-2025 04:44
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36192681)
How dare he not wear a suit! Oh, that's Musk, no problem then! ;)

What's that round object behind the Tesla? Did Musk throw in a free Starlink dish? Or is it a table on its side?

Damien 12-03-2025 07:13
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
It's just the canopy for the entrance there.

---------- Post added at 07:13 ---------- Previous post was at 07:10 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36192691)
Surprised at Trump with a Tesla, isn't that too woke for him:erm::dozey:

Also isn't that some sort of conflict of interest buying a car from an employee's business:D
It is bad for Tesla that their prime demographic, rich liberals, are the ones Musk is most upsetting. That and the rest of the world, where Musk and Co have been going around trying to upset each country in turn.

papa smurf 12-03-2025 07:45
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Buy Canadian

Chris 12-03-2025 09:53
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36192701)
Buy Canadian
Tim Hortons FTW :tu:

ianch99 12-03-2025 12:31
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36192682)
“You see, Elon, dismantling America’s global reputation as a beacon of freedom and democracy is very much like making love to a beautiful woman …

… or so I’ve been told”


Nice :)

TheDaddy 12-03-2025 13:16
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36192697)
It is bad for Tesla that their prime demographic, rich liberals, are the ones Musk is most upsetting. That and the rest of the world, where Musk and Co have been going around trying to upset each country in turn.
Yes I'd imagine donnies base prefer gas guzzling pick up trucks than electric cars. Did you notice in the interview donnie said radical left lunatics for illegally boycotting Elon's company, wow that's how far the land of the free have fallen, exercising your right to choose which car to buy is now illegal. I noticed donnie is paying by cheque too, :shocked: bet it bounces :)

Damien 15-03-2025 22:04
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
One thing that isn't getting enough coverage is Trump is just doing things even if the court says No and they happen anyway. All the checks and balances fall apart when the authorities just ignore them and do what Trump says.

Here an immigrant was in the US on a valid visa. The Trump administration wanted to deport her and the judge said No, so they deported her anyway: https://eu.providencejournal.com/sto...r/82441360007/

And that's that. The judge can't magic her back or use force to stop it. What do you do?

It's the same thing as anything else. What if the Supreme Court stops him from doing something and he orders it done anyway? They don't have an army to stop him and the authorities seem to be content to report to him over any court.

Paul 15-03-2025 23:04
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36192868)
What if the Supreme Court stops him from doing something and he orders it done anyway? They don't have an army to stop him and the authorities seem to be content to report to him over any court.
Isnt that the kind of thing that starts rebellions and civil wars ?
Remembering that large numbers of Americans are very well armed.

Also, US States effectivly have their own armies - the National Guard.

In other news, Trump has ordered air strikes in Yemen.

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The US has launched a "decisive and powerful" wave of air strikes on Houthi rebels in Yemen, President Donald Trump has said, citing the armed group's attacks on shipping in the Red Sea as the reason.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c05mvr3j3yro

Hugh 18-03-2025 15:19
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
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I see someone forgot to take their Adderall…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1742310722

Context

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-b2717219.html

TheDaddy 18-03-2025 15:35
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36192978)
He won the popular vote by 1.5%, hardly a lot and it'll be interesting to see if Democrats stayed at home because Kamela didn't resonate or because of voter suppression :shrug:

Hugh 18-03-2025 15:44
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
From the USA.gov website

https://www.usa.gov/branches-of-gove...20much%20power.

Quote:
The Constitution of the United States divides the federal government into three branches: legislative, executive, and judicial. This ensures that no individual or group will have too much power.
https://bensguide.gpo.gov/j-check-balance

Quote:
Checks and Balances

The Constitution divided the Government into three branches: legislative, executive, and judicial. That was an important decision because it gave specific powers to each branch and set up something called checks and balances. Just like the phrase sounds, the point of checks and balances was to make sure no one branch would be able to control too much power, and it created a separation of powers. Here are some examples of how the different branches work together:

The legislative branch makes laws, but the President in the executive branch can veto those laws with a Presidential Veto.
The legislative branch makes laws, but the judicial branch can declare those laws unconstitutional.
The executive branch, through the Federal agencies, has responsibility for day-to-day enforcement and administration of Federal laws. These Federal departments and agencies have missions and responsibilities that vary widely, from environmental protection to protecting the Nation’s borders.
The President in the executive branch can veto a law, but the legislative branch can override that veto with enough votes.
The legislative branch has the power to approve Presidential nominations, control the budget, and can impeach the President and remove him or her from office.
The executive branch can declare Executive Orders, which are like proclamations that carry the force of law, but the judicial branch can declare those acts unconstitutional.
The judicial branch interprets laws, but the President nominates Supreme Court justices, court of appeals judges, and district court judges who make the evaluations.
The judicial branch interprets laws, but the Senate in the legislative branch confirms the President’s nominations for judicial positions, and Congress can impeach any of those judges and remove them from office.

Paddy1 18-03-2025 17:13
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36192694)
What's that round object behind the Tesla? Did Musk throw in a free Starlink dish?
It would appear so.

Itshim 18-03-2025 17:21
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36192868)
One thing that isn't getting enough coverage is Trump is just doing things even if the court says No and they happen anyway. All the checks and balances fall apart when the authorities just ignore them and do what Trump says.

Here an immigrant was in the US on a valid visa. The Trump administration wanted to deport her and the judge said No, so they deported her anyway: https://eu.providencejournal.com/sto...r/82441360007/

And that's that. The judge can't magic her back or use force to stop it. What do you do?

It's the same thing as anything else. What if the Supreme Court stops him from doing something and he orders it done anyway? They don't have an army to stop him and the authorities seem to be content to report to him over any court.
He can summon the official of the government dept involved, or not depending on your view . And charge them :erm:

Pierre 18-03-2025 18:54
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
I missed this when it was reported, and don’t recall seeing anything here about it.

But the Donald is taking his personal security seriously, hiring SAS operative Obi Wan Nairobi

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ump-bodyguard/


Not paywalled

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...bodyguard.html

Hom3r 18-03-2025 19:45
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Wow Tesla has had its value reduced by over 50%.


People Short selling that Tesla shares falling are making a killing to roughly $16b.

Pierre 18-03-2025 20:35
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36192988)
Wow Tesla has had its value reduced by over 50%.


People Short selling that Tesla shares falling are making a killing to roughly $16b.
Don’t think for a minute any of that is politically motivated !

Hugh 18-03-2025 21:41
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
2 Attachment(s)
https://apnews.com/article/usaid-fed...a32fdfe2f147d#

Quote:
The dismantling of the U.S. Agency for International Development by billionaire Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency likely violated the Constitution, a federal judge ruled Tuesday as he indefinitely blocked DOGE from making further cuts to the agency.

The order requires the Trump administration to restore email and computer access to all employees of USAID, including those put on administrative leave, though it appears to stops short of reversing firings or fully resurrecting the agency.

In one of the first DOGE lawsuits against Musk himself, U.S. District Judge Theodore Chuang in Maryland rejected the Trump administration’s position that Musk is merely President Donald Trump’s advisor.

Musk’s public statements and social media posts demonstrate that he has “firm control over DOGE,” the judge found pointing to an online post where Musk said he had “fed USAID into the wood chipper.”

The judge acknowledged that it’s likely that USAID is no longer capable of performing some of its statutorily required functions.

“Taken together, these facts support the conclusion that USAID has been effectively eliminated,” Chuang wrote in the preliminary injunction.

The lawsuit filed by USAID employees and contractors argued that Musk and DOGE are wielding power the Constitution reserves only for those who win elections or are confirmed by the Senate. Their attorneys said the ruling “effectively halts or reverses” many of the steps taken to dismantle the agency.


https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...293.75.0_1.pdf

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1742333652

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1742333652

Pierre 18-03-2025 22:16
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Upfront, i and by extension we, don’t really know what’s going on.

That said, if , and I know it’s if. Some of the stuff on the expenditure of USAID is accurate………take it all down.

Hugh 18-03-2025 23:12
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
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Or….

Investigate it properly, and stop the things that are proven to be wrong (using experienced auditors and forensic accountants, rather than a bunch of hackers who don’t like the look of something they don’t understand and don’t try to understand), doing an impact assessment of what that "stop" means, and then proceed with appropriate actions.

https://wapo.st/4idSeP3 (gifted article, not behind paywall)

Quote:
The White House’s wildly inaccurate claims about USAID spending

Eleven out of 12 claims about the agency’s work are misleading, wrong or lack context.
Anyhoo, speaking of things that may or may not be accurate…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1742340401

Hugh 18-03-2025 23:36
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36192989)
Don’t think for a minute any of that is politically motivated !
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/story?id=119889047

Quote:
As Tesla stock has fallen in recent weeks, members of the board and an executive at Elon Musk's company have been selling off millions of dollars in stock, according to filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

Together, four top officers at the company have offloaded over $100 million in shares since early February.

Last week, longtime Musk ally James Murdoch -- the estranged son of Fox boss Rupert Murdoch and a board member since 2017 -- became the latest to do so, exercising a stock option and selling shares worth approximately $13 million, according to an SEC filing. The sale took place on March 10, coinciding with the stock's largest single-day decline in five years.

According to one filing, the shares were sold "to cover the exercise price relating to the exercise of stock options to purchase 531,787 shares, which are scheduled to expire in 2025."

Elon Musk's brother, Kimbal Musk, who also sits on the board, unloaded 75,000 shares worth approximately $27 million last month, according to a filing.

The chairman of the board, Robyn Denholm, has offloaded more than $75 million dollars worth of shares in two transactions in the past five weeks, federal filings show. The selloffs made by Denholm came as part of a predetermined sales plan.
Perhaps they were watching the markets?

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...-crashing.html

Quote:
Chinese 'Tesla killer' cars can charge in just five minutes - sending shares in Musk's firm crashing

It has been dubbed ‘the Tesla killer’. And shares in Chinese electric car champion BYD soared to a record high yesterday after it claimed it can charge its vehicles as quickly as it takes to fill up with petrol.

That suggests BYD, which includes Warren Buffett among its backers, has overtaken Tesla and others in developing fast-charging technology for EVs – giving it a crucial edge over its rivals.

The surge in the BYD share price – taking gains this year to 55 per cent – came as Tesla fell another 5 per cent to take its losses for 2025 to almost 41 per cent.

The contrasting fortunes underline the threat posed to Tesla – run by Donald Trump’s ally Elon Musk – from Chinese rivals.

‘BYD is surpassing its competitor,’ said Jochen Stanzl, chief market analyst at CMC Markets.

Tesla has lost more than half its value since the shares peaked in mid-December – wiping £630billion off its value and £120billion off Musk’s fortune.

Hedge funds that took out short positions against the electric car maker – betting the stock price would fall – have made an estimated £12.5billion over the past three months.

Paul 19-03-2025 01:37
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
I doubt all the messing with tariffs by his "pal" is helping, its made the markets very jittery, certainly not doing any good for pension funds.

1andrew1 19-03-2025 07:19
Re: President Trump 2.0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36192997)
I doubt all the messing with tariffs by his "pal" is helping, its made the markets very jittery, certainly not doing any good for pension funds.
Definitely. It's the reason that the OECD downgraded growth forecasts last week.


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