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Still looking for up to date list for Virgin Media Stream in Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland - Let me know me by PRIVATE MESSAGE on Cable Forum or Twitter me.

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Indeed.
So finally getting my 2 360 boxes replaced with 2 V6 boxes after 18 months of trying to revert back. So it is not irreversable! It can be done!

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I did the same, the 360 software is dire especially when you upgrade 2 tivos

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I've got 3 v6s so im guessing the consensus is for me to not upgrade...

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In my experience I'd say yes until forced to

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I've got two V6s and I'll keep them until there's no option but to change to 360s. My contract's up in June 2023 so I think I'll be good until then.

I know I'll have to move if I stay with Virgin as they won't support TiVo and the V6 for too much longer, but I could do without the hassle and what I have at the moment works fine for us. (We have a Roku streamer for Disney+ and Apple TV+)

Re: Changes to Virgin TV (2022)
 

Watch the best LIONSGATE+ shows at no extra cost

Sit back and enjoy some great shows on demand with episodes of 10 brilliant dramas from LIONSGATE+, at no extra cost

Throughout the whole of November, Virgin Media customers with a Virgin TV V6 box, powered by TiVo®, Virgin TV 360 box or Stream from Virgin Media can enjoy the best of LIONSGATE+ with 10 exciting titles to get stuck into, at no extra cost.

https://www.virginmedia.com/virgin-t...-no-extra-cost

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Another badly implemented service just rushed out by from VM. The offer in the above link states £5.99 pm but when you click the upgrade offer on the box it states £4.99pm. Also there is no clear direction to find the free content available.

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ITV renames to ITV1 next Tuesday according to Sky
https://helpforum.sky.com/t5/What-s-...2/td-p/4140159

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Find it in Box Sets > LIONSGATE+


Seems clear to me

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This is my position as well. We use a lot of the storage on both our V6 boxes. I’ve currently managed to get one down to around 55%,the other always sits around 25%. I used to keep it down by recording most stuff in SD, but as so many channels have dropped their SD versions, more and more has to be HD which takes more space.

I’m a hoarder. I’ll see something that interests me, record it, then it might be weeks or months before I go back to it. Or I’ll find an older series that I missed and record it all before I work through it. Having only 1 hard drive (or 1 limited to 1TB) means that we’d be close to full all the time.

I know there are more reasons not to, but that’s a big one.

I was among the first to get the tivo when it became public, and same with the V6, but I have absolutely no inclination to change to 360.

Edit: I think I’ve remembered that 360 doesn’t have wish lists? I believe that was my other deal breaker. I use them a lot.

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If your boxes were converted to 360, you'd have the same storage as before. In fact slightly more, because TiVo uses a fair bit of disc space to store the guide data. On the other hand, 360 hides SD channels if an HD version is available, so you would never have the option of choosing to record in SD.

Correct.

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You're in exactly the same position as I am.

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I wonder how close we are to a point where VM can't justify the cost of TIVO software and supporting it and tries to move us all to 360? It's been a while since it was launched and supporting the two systems can't make economic sense longer term.

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They kept Liberate going alongside TiVo for ages.

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I'm sure that they will eventually want to migrate people over and when this happens i'll be going elsewhere.

Does anyone know if a refusal to migrate is acceptable grounds for breaking a contract in the eyes of Virgin?

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T&C F2: We may upgrade or update the network, equipment and the services from time to time. If we believe an update is likely to materially disadvantage you, we will notify you in accordance with paragraph N10 and you may have a right to cancel your agreement.

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Many thanks. It's vaguely worded, so I imagine that todays Virgin will dispute that a person is at a material disadvantage if forced to change to the 360 in the same way that they tried (and failed) to say that the loss of the UKTV channels was not a major change and was covered in their general clause that people cannot cancel without penalty if they drop channels

In the old days when the Sky basics were removed, NTL allowed people to cancel without penalty(after offering incentives to stay).

I'm going to have to consider the state of play at contract renewal time if there are any indications that the V6 may be terminated in favour of a 360 before entering into a new contract.

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Reports that Boxnation will be closing in mid December.

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We get it included on netgem tv along with viasport, boxnation won't be missed so to say.

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l can't say the 360 currently does a lot for me currently as until it adds extra features and functionality the V6 will remain king.

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Emailed to me from Virgin Media

From 14th December 2022, BoxNation will be closing on all platforms in the UK and will no longer be available.

Following on from the closure you will no longer be charged for BoxNation, and you’ll be automatically reimbursed if you’ve been billed for it already.

Thanks,

The Virgin Media team

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Virgin Media has updated the TV Guide on V6, 360 and Stream with the updated logos for ITV channels.

On other platforms (Freeview and Sky) the BBC's channel logos have been updated at the same time, but on Virgin Media the old pre-Oct 2021 logos are still being used.

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Wow :D

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Sky UK to launch Sky Kids Channel in February 2023.

https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/sky/s...176721.article

Companies House is reporting that Sky UK has sold their stake in Nickelodeon UK (Also Nick Jr, Nicktoons) to Paramount Networks UK & Australia - It happen on October 31st.

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Press release
https://www.skygroup.sky/en-gb/artic...ise-favourites

I wonder if it will replace Sky Replay or E! , the latter closes on Sky Deutschland at the end of this year.

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Given that VM customers do not currently have access to any of the Sky Kids on demand content, it will be interesting to see if they negotiate for the linear channel and on demand content to join the Kids Pack.

Do you know if Sky also sold their stake in Comedy Central UK, or was it just Nickelodeon UK that they sold their stake in? Now that Paramount+ is in the UK I'm sure that Paramount will want full control of all their content.

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Cant find any info.

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My sources have told me that BBC One Oxford and BBC One East (West) brands will stay on air after December 17th.

BBC Oxford will broadcast the same news as viewers in Cambridge.

BBC One East (West) will broadcast the same news as viewers on BBC One East (East).

I was told they will be simulcasting until the BBC regional changes happen on each platform.

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Erm... no. The news from BBC South surely.


There's little point in keeping the "brands" unless they plan to reverse the decision. It prevents a smooth transition to the enlarged BBC South / BBC East regions.

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Do anyone remember the wee channel called Virgin1?

If yes "Chuck" is set to come back on UKTV with ITV2 HD broadcasting it from next week at 5pm.

Then starting in the week later Chuck will be shown on ITV2 HD from 4pm to 6pm every weekday.

Source: My TiVo.

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Yes and another great show that used to be on it is on itvx now terminator the Sarah Connor chronicles.

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Both great shows.

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My sources has told me tonight that Sky UK has still to offer Virgin Media UK broadcasting rights to Sky Kids.

(So is Sky Kids is just a rebrand of E! HD???)

I have pick E! HD due to it lower channel number on Sky.

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V6 and 360 boxes updated to replace 'ITV Hub' with 'ITVX'.

Only the 360 boxes have the 26 streaming channels.

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HEAD UP:

*My review of 2022 will be posted sometime on December 22nd.

*I have drop the "Best of" - so no voting this year.

*Changes to Virgin TV (2023) will launch sometime on December 29th or 31st.

PS Happy hoildays.

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Also on the Virgin Media Stream box.

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Ah that time of the year again!

I wonder what treats 2023 will bring to virgin media...

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Unfortunately the relevant team still hasn't managed to correct their mistakes on the 'new' versions of the channel guide:

https://www.virginmedia.com/virgin-t...-channel-guide

Crime + Investigation HD and 4Seven HD are still on the incorrect channel numbers, and Great! TV is still missing.

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More price rises. :D

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Is something you know you will get every year really a treat ? :)

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Only to the ceos of the companies lol.

But joking aside apart from Discovery+, peacock and Paramount+ i don't think there is anything left to arrive on VM, i've not heard anything about new channels and i think itvx is already on vm now?

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Sky Atlantic would be a welcome addition. Little chance of that, though.

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Paramount+ is launching next year on 360 and Stream, Peacock i simply don't see the point of , Sky channels air NBCU content , Universal Pictures releases premiere on Sky Cinema and Live Sports on Sky Sports obviously.

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Apple TV+ would be a good addition. There is some excellent content on there. Sky added it a while ago.

I've pretty much given up on VM keeping pace with other TV platforms when it comes to offering the major apps. All their claims about wanting to be a super aggregator of content are BS when they don't follow through on it.

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I see that although the info bar at the top of V6 menu is trumpeting ITVX, here in Scotland pressing OK on that is the only way to launch the app as it's not on my app list. Much like ITV Hub wasn't, so we got an ITV Hub branded folder on VM's on-demand system.

Unless the app will appear after a reboot...I can't be bothered finding out right now.

Some of the ITVX content is on STV Player though, as part of a new deal just announced.

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is the v6 just been abandoned now?

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Peacock on Sky is nothing more than a folder of exclusive content - there is no app for UK. Like Lionsgate+ folder on V6.

But very little of interest to UK in it - unlike the US version.

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Yesterday and Drama now both HD on 129 and 130.

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Thanks for info.

Boxnation is set to close sometime tonight from Midnight to 2am.

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It's already closed on Sky.

Greyed out listings are still showing on my V6 box, so I'm wondering if it's still broadcasting on Virgin. Don't they normally switch off the encryption to show a closedown slate for encrypted channels that have closed down??

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Boxnation was still broadcasting at 2pm.

But at 4.05pm it was broadcasting but not with a moving picture.

Virgin has still to put up a information screen.

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Are Virgin Media set to launch a new HD Channel?

I have just seen over on DBR that Virgin are "testing" a new channel called "Test Barker" on a HD Stream.

You can view it on CO56 slot 6.

https://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.p...&sec=0&lang=en

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I was surprised to see ITVX launch on my V6. I think they’re going to dangle Disney+ and Paramount+ at us 360 refuseniks in the hope that we’ll “upgrade”

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I might upgrade when the series link works as well as it does on V6

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That came out of nowhere...to me anyway. Many thanks.

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That's great news - nice to see some positive news from VM - interesting there wasn't any indication they were coming!

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The 360 will need to drastically improve before I'll get it again. "Upgraded" in September but found it so bad I got them upgraded TiVo boxes replaced with 2new TiVo boxes best move I could have made

I didn't find anything good with it and will stick to my TiVo for as long as possible and unless the 360 greatly improves I'll be ditching virgin TV service and using streaming sites.

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Same here.

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Yep, the 'carrot' -before the 'stick' is deployed.

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It does, I believe. Wasn’t the problem that originally the 360 couldn’t distinguish new programmes from the old? That was sorted a while back now, and new programmes are labelled appropriately. Did you have any other concerns?

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Various additional on demand content looks set to be added to Virgin TV with new folders (currently empty) added to Virgin TV Go for:

- Sky Kids
- ITV OTT
- Fiit
- Fit at Home
- Nuffield Health
- Peloton

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If you track DBR (or similar) bitrate data / graphs, it is often possible to see when services are about to be added. Null packets change from a relatively low fixed bitrate to a higher variable bitrate. As if the additional services have been added to transport stream distribution but are not being extracted and are replaced with null packets at local networks.

There are usually no indications of what these "background" additions are, so not really useful to know that an unknown service is about to be added. It has been quite some time since Virgin made HD replacements visible for days before they launched. You won't know what the new services are but may get a clue about an imminent change.

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It has been there since the start of November, initially only on the Hammersmith internal network and later added to CDT Portsmouth (which is one of the internal networks used for new services before they are released to the wider network). Possibly just an internal test service.

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But to Fire TV or Roku etc. :D

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Smithsonian Channel to close on 6th January according to Radio Times

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You are joking as that is one of my favourite channels.

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Yup digiguide shows last programme at 5am on 6th January.

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Very true. I watch more via my Roku than I do my two V6s

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Thanks for info.

Yesterday was the first time I been on DBR in months.

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Thanks epsilon.

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That would be a shame.

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https://www.cordbusters.co.uk/smiths...w-freesat-sky/. It should return in the future via Pluto according to this

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NOW 90s has been drop by it owners for NOW Rocks on Virgin Channel 348.

NOW Christmas is being broadcast on Channel 348 right now to December 27th when NOW Rock launches on Channel 348.

https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/now-launch...-music-channel

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epsilon has posted on DS Forum:

https://forums.digitalspy.com/discus...ment_102038101

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Maybe the content is going to Paramount Plus? (More £)

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A Media Boy UK Source has reveal to me today that Warner Bros Discovery may axe QUEST HD next year.

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Well RXTV is reporting:

https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/smithsonia...m-to-streaming

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As audiences decline and the fact that they are the last music channel provider to be encrypted, i'm wondering if they are to launch a FTA music channel and put it on Freeview in place of Smithsonian?

This could be one of their existing pay channels or a new channel created for FTA if they are concerned that this would tarnish the brand of their existing pay music channels??

Who knows, perhaps the decision was due to Sky and/or Virgin giving notice that they are to be kicked out of their Sub Club(s).

I really cannot see how pay TV operators can justify paying for the MTV music channels any longer.

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Sooner rather then later there is going to be dotcom type bust in the overheated and increasingly expensive streaming market.

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Well, it’ll be interesting. At the moment it’s the TV channels that are losing all the content, and this means they will be losing audience share.

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:rofl:

What about TV channels that also stream and broadcast offer On Demand/VoD?

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Well presumably they cannot stream the content they are losing any more than they can broadcast it.

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Well that’d be true, I’m more questioning OB’s persistent lack of recognition that the streaming market is a subset of the pay-tv market.

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Bound to happen IMO.

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Netflix shares down 8% as their ad-funded service is not meeting its targets. Shares have halved in value this year.
https://news.sky.com/story/netflix-1...start-12768870

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Previously exclusive to top tier customers (Full House / Maxit), the folder of Virgin TV Exclusives box sets appears to have been withdrawn.

Virgin TV Exclusives included:

- The Rook 'Virgin Media Original'
- The Feed 'Virgin Media Original'
- Good Behavior
- Imposters
- Will
- Magic City
- Ash Vs Evil Dead
- Chaussée d’Amour
- Billy & Billie
- Kingdom

They were still promoting it in September but it's gone now:

https://www.virginmedia.com/virgin-t...-TV-Exclusives

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ITV is steering its audience away from its broadcast channels to its new streamer, ITVX, which is where many of its new dramas will go before they eventually surface on ITV1 under the 'Digital First' policy.

This is likely to deplete the audience for ITV's broadcast channels over time, I would have thought.

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However ITV aren’t losing share where this happens. You’re creating a false narrative where they are competing rather than complementary offerings. Which is odd anyway since your concession that linear television will survive beyond 2035.

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And why do you think are they doing that, OB?

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Fun fact streaming services like Direct tv, Fubotv in the US now cost more than tradditional cable tv,
be careful what you wish for.

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It’s been explained countless times that competitive pressures putting up the cost of content simultaneous with costs being absorbed across a decreasing number of subscribers results in this.

However he still thinks this is desirable so long as it is a streamer.

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I have been given some new information from a Media Boy UK Source on The old Box Plus channels:

*The Box, 4Music, E4 Extra, Kiss, Magic and Kerrang are set move over to the main Channel 4 playout system in April 2023.

*I can today reveal that The Box, Kiss, Magic and Kerrang are all set to be also rebranded by Channel 4 as their licensing of names from Bauer is coming to an end.

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They won’t lose overall audience share, but ITVX will increase the proportion of viewers from the old ITV Hub, and the broadcast channel as a result will have fewer viewers.

Just to clarify, I didn’t say that the existing channels broadcasting and listed on the EPG would survive beyond 2035. Obviously, this is dependent on the infrastructure being established by then, and the of course government have already delayed the original timetable for broadband rollout by a few years.

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Channel 4 owns the trademark to The Box, but I guess it will be rebranded along with the others anyway as part of the recent announcement of a unified Channel 4 brand.

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Sky look to CUT channels

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-Al-Nassr.html

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I suspect there may also be a reduction in the number of Sky Cinema channels as deals with the studios move to the streamers. The number of new films appearing on Sky in recent months is very noticeable.

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There’s limited savings in that, almost none.

By Sky Sports they mean rolling back on content. That’s where savings are made.

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Aside from Disney and it’s various labels, Sky haven’t lost any other deals to the ‘streamers’ - they still have Paramount theatrical titles albeit shared, still have their deals with Warner Bros, Sony & Universal and actually nabbed two deals from distributors who had deals at Amazon (EOne and StudioCanal)… the issues with fewer movies has primarily come from the reduction in major theatrical titles released over the last couple of years hence their pivot to more acquired and produced original movies…

I honestly don’t think the number of linear channels is linked to the number of premiere movies… the genre focus of the channels are far more linked to the overall catalogue they have at any one time.

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Sorry, I don’t understand that. The Sky Cinema channels will suffer from a reduced volume of new films coming through, and as time goes on, its existing deals on older films will expire.

If Sky has fewer films to offer, then we can expect the number of film channels to decrease, and presumably, a reduction in the price of subscriptions.

But yes, for Sky, no good news here.

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Well, they are looking to a future where eventually, the broadcast channels will be closed in favour of the streaming alternative. Another incentive for audiences to swap to streaming is to make whole series available as soon as the show lands on scheduled linear TV.

Why do you think they are doing this, SP?

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The only 'major' Film Studio they have good chance of losing the exclusive first pay window to streaming is Warner Bros Pictures in 2025 to whatever their streaming service is called then , Sony doesn't have a streaming service,

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At last, the admission we’ve all been waiting for.

In the past Sky have offered very narrow themed film channels - indeed as far as dedicating a whole channel to Star Wars movies for a specific period. You are incorrectly assuming a link between the number of films in the available library and number of channels.

Again believing they are competing rather than complementary formats. The question isn’t why would they keep broadcast channels going, it’s why wouldn’t they?

ITV would absolutely foam at the mouth of being the channel every TV has on “1”. Promo after promo for ITVX.

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I would agree that it is just a carrot to encourage users to switch to viewing on the streaming platform. Perhaps because a majority of their viewers currently prefer to watch the live content. Who knows how successful they will be.. earlier ventures to promote content, such as ITV Encore haven't been a massive success.

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Sky has done well with its EOne, Studio Canal and Paramount deals. I do think the loss of Fox and Disney films with their well-known franchises is noticeable and Amazon's acquisition of MGM won't help matters as far as James Bond goes.

Sky must be hoping to do some sort of deal with Warner Bros be it exclusive or non-exclusive. Warner needs the money so Sky should be in a good position here.

But I agree that Covid led to a reduction in filming and that's feeding through into fewer releases.

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ITV Extra also provides other benefits to ITV:
- Opportunity to charge viewers for no adverts
- Opportunity to have a direct relationship with subscribers and market to them
- Targets younger people who watch on phones more than TVs
- Hope that once people are in the ITV Extra app, they will watch more ITV content and not channel hop to the BBC, Channel 5 etc.

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See Andrew's post. It's all about money.

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I do think if Sky did end up losing/letting go a bunch of output deals, any changes to their movie proposition would be a far more dramatic change than reducing a linear genre channel or two - more like an entire structural change to how they offer movies across their propositions and to their carriage partners like Virgin.

No doubt that the loss of the Disney deal is noticeable - and was to be expected and honestly I think the loss of Bond isn't that significant given the paucity of new product from that franchise anyway... and I am inclined to agree with Warner; they're going to stay in business in some way whether it's a Paramount-esque streaming deal or they take advantage of their current predicament and offer them a ton of cash for an extended output deal post 2025.

A lot of people give them shit for their 'Sky Original' movies but it was the correct strategy at the correct time especially as there was a need for more exclusive product as the overall number of studio titles started dropping pre-covid and also got them access to a few titles that were sold by distributors who couldn't get them out theatrically... and it's a good thing they're still leaning into it whether it's just acquiring titles or actually boarding them at the production level... also it was quietly announced this week that one of their titles, A Good Person, looks like it's going to have an exclusive theatrical window... that's a real big deal if they want to continue scaling and play for some bigger titles that are taken to market.