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It really doesn't - one box has a hard drive. In 100% of situations this is superior.

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It really does. Not everybody cares, jfman.

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OB I'd suspect you are in a minority of one if you are arguing that a box without a hard drive is superior to one with.

Even you yourself, the biggest proponent of streaming on these very forums, utilise the functionality on your V6 boxes.

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I suspect in the years ahead, as technology advances, the need for a recording box with a hard drive or cloud storage will be a lot less. The streaming and catch-up services will become stronger as more and more quality content is added, with some bypassing linear TV completely and going straight to on-demand. This together with the newish "watch from the beginning" functionality, which can only get bigger, will eventually render live linear TV redundant, obviously except for live news, live sports and live big events. We are only just seeing the beginning of this now, with the removal recently of several linear TV channels, with prime time series switching to the main streaming sites. This will only increase, but I also think the need for numerous multitude of streaming sites will either not survive or will merge and only a few will remain in the years ahead. Virgin Media used to be at the forefront of providing streaming and catch up services, way before Sky could handle it, and they need to regain that position. Perhaps with the debut of this new streaming device with a search across all providers function, they are finally trying to regain that position whilst preparing for the future. Linear TV days are numbered.

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Except that I didn’t say it was superior. I am saying that if you want to ditch your existing box(es) you can have Virgin’s new streamer.

You keep reading things into my posts that are not there.

Some people do not record anything and some people view most of what they want through the streamers and on demand, strange as that may appear to you.

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If you want a sub-optimal experience at higher cost, yes, yes you could.

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Stop it, jfman; you are being ridiculous.

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Anyone can sit with a calculator and add up their viewing habits on the streaming service vs the traditional cable service. Plus internet connection, phone, etc.

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Paramount+ sets UK launch date and pricing
https://advanced-television.com/2022...e-and-pricing/

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Another £7 a month for content that would have been in the “pence per subscriber” ballpark as part of a larger TV package. A clear demonstration of the lost economies of scale and consumer value.

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It appears that we are getting a new breed of TV consumer, more interested in prestige and exclusivity than in content being available at a reasonable price. A sort of streaming snobbery. I wonder if forum members can spot anyone in this thread who will, perhaps, fall into that category. Hmm!

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So paramount + is free for people with sky cinema. I assume this doesn’t include sky cinema customers on virgin media…

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No , it's agreement between Paramount and Sky.

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I honestly don't see this being a success in the UK. It's non-essential content at a time when consumers are being squeezed and other streamers have got their feet in the door.

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This.

I’m a big Star Trek fan and I won’t be subscribing even though this will soon be the only place to see it. I’m just going to wait and see what transpires months or a year or so from now. Maybe once there’s enough content for a proper binge I’ll take their free sample offer and then cancel it.

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As you know Sky signed a deal with Warner Media for a well known Sky only channel to broadcast HBO shows until 2025.

As of 7pm on May 3rd my Sources has revealed that Warner Bros. Discovery are "still talking to Sky to end the HBO contract early".

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We watch quite a few CBS All-Access (the old name for P+) shows, so I can definitely see us subscribing for a bit.

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I'm thinking about it too

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Agreed it will be another one people dip in and out of as opposed to one people long term subscribe to.

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absolute morons arent they haha. Back to piracy people will go...its like they never blooming learn!

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Where a studio or a channel has only one really big property, they’re deluded if they think people are going to sign up for an enduring subscription just for that. They’re either going to wait for a better deal or else, as you say, use other means. Vastly more people watched Game of Thrones via such means rather than watch it on Sky Atlantic.

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They are all going to be like that that for most people I suspect. No-one likes a particular content provider enough.

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That's not a viable business model for the streamers, many of whom aren't making money as it is.

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It isn't, but that's what I hear anecdotally about how many people seem to use the various on-demand services. There's no reason to subscribe to any service on an ongoing basis. If that is indeed the case for most folk the business models will have to change.

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The reason to subscribe on an ongoing basis is a regular addition of good originals. That’s what the media has learned through experience and it is why Netflix is the most popular of all the platforms and why Britbox is flagging.

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In theory. But all the services suffer from users being uninspired. Original content can be commissioned with good budgets and in plenty quantity, but it won't necessarily "click" with the audience, there's no guarantee. I've seen a fair few comments recently that indict that there's a content malaise even with the mighty Netflix at the moment.

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https://advanced-television.com/2022...e-and-pricing/

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Paramount+ will launch in the UK more than 8,000 hours of content, spanning new and exclusive Paramount+ originals, hit shows and popular movies across every genre from Paramount’s brands and production studios, including Showtime, Paramount Pictures, Comedy Central, MTV and Nickelodeon.

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Yes, I read that. And it’s just marketing speak for “back catalogue”. Old stuff that most people who wanted to see it, have already seen. To be successful your back catalogue has to have some utterly compelling material in it, and that can’t be quantified in number of hours.

Besides, as you have already said, it’s new content that makes a streaming service successful, not its video library.

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Agreed, but they also need the library. I assume they will be adding originals on a regular basis.

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That would be a reasonable assumption, except for the fact that Disney made this very error when it launched in late 2019 (spring 2020 in the UK). They traded on their back catalogue for far too long and I’m not convinced the Star branded stream within the main Disney+ app was part of the original plan - it really doesn’t fit the branding it has otherwise used, which is based on established feature film production company brands, and looks very much bolted on, as if they felt they needed to add a lot of new and original material quickly, and the very modest pipeline of TV shows based mostly on movies out of their Marvel and Star Wars properties wasn’t going to produce enough content, quickly enough.

Paramount may indeed dodge that bullet, but as a major established film & TV studio there is always the risk it will assume its back catalogue is so great it will do too little for too long. We shall just have to wait and see.

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It was originally going to be Hulu
https://techcrunch.com/2020/02/05/di...nally-in-2021/

But They choose Star as the brand rather than Hulu for financial reasons.

With NBC Universal owning 33% of Hulu, so launching the new service as Star, it wouldn’t increase the value of Hulu, resulting in Disney having to pay more to Comcast when it buys out their existing contract In 2024

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In contrast to Netflix's recent downturn in subscribers, Disney+ continues to grow at a phenomenal rate:

https://variety.com/2022/digital/new...gs-1235264311/

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There is bound to be a saturation point for any streamer where everyone that wants it has it, for me all that above means is Disney+ hasn't got there yet.

Considering the age difference between Netflix and Disney+ it's not yet clear for me whether there is any long term difference or if that at some point what's currently happening with Netflix will happen to Disney+

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Yeah, i would think it would be higher than Netflix though. Between Disney, Star Wars and Marvel you would think 80% of people would want it. I think they could easily hit 300 million.

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They are still very much in loss leader mode. With mobile networks and others offering heavily discounted subscription options. While they do have the benefit that Netflix doesn’t of a massive back catalogue, and aren’t likely to drown under the weight of hundreds of billions of debt, it’s not really representative of the market as a whole.

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911 Lone Star is moving from Sky UK to Disney+

https://www.geektown.co.uk/2022/05/1...-disney-in-uk/

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It won't be the last time something moves I suspect, Disney are taking back as much of their content as possible , Godfather Of Harlem S3 - StarzPlay acquired the first 2 seasons before Star launched and the existing FX shows on the BBC are other possibilities - Disney didn’t renew the FX deal with the BBC.

Family Guy and Bob Burgers now premiere on Disney+ aswell.

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S3 of What We Do In The Shadows is still only on iPlayer and in HD. Disney+ has S1/S2 in 4K

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Ending License Deals early has cost Disney $1 billion apparently
https://whatsondisneyplus.com/ending...ney-1-billion/

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Wow. I wondered how that worked when Netflix presumably paid to have the Marvel series for a certain amount of time and they are a big enough company to not let themselves be bullied into giving them back.

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It's now followed The Resident in recent months. I wouldn't be surprised if 9-1-1, Grey's Anatomy and Station 19 follow suit in the next 12 months. Breeders is also rumoured to follow suit, too.

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I knew Starz acquired the show, but not just S1+2. Have you got a source for this, TimeLord?

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I thought they were on ABC and Sky already had an ABC equivalent channel (Sky Witness) in the UK. I don't see how or why Disney+ would have influence over that or want those series. It is like Asda saying they are putting a Sainsbury's carwash in their car park.

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No but it's unlikely they have a lifetime deal, they acquired it about 8 months after season 2 had been commissioned

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Of course they have influence Disney own the shows , it depends what their contract with Sky actually is , Disney strategy is taking back their own content and making it exclusive to Disney+ like what their just done with 911:Lone Star, most ABC Studios (now known as ABC Signature) content has now gone from Amazon Prime , all seasons of Criminal Minds , Lost , Scandal , Greys Anatomy amongst others were removed from Amazon Prime in April.

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ABC is a Disney-owned channel, not a Comcast-owned channel. The days of when Sky was the first choice UK broadcaster for US content seem to be diminishing since the launch of Disney+. I suspect the difference will become more stark if as expected, HBO Max launches in the UK in 2025.

Providing the licence with Sky has ended or Disney is happy to pay Sky compensation for early termination, then Disney can move its content to Disney +. Apparently, it paid TV platforms $1bn as early termination compensation in its latest accounts.

I imagine all box series from Fox/Hulu/Disney will move to Disney+ in time with only films and pay-per-episode available on other platforms.

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for the traditional viewer which is non-Disney and non-scifi having quality series like those is a great way to provide quality content and a bit of something for everyone outside of Lucasfilm and Marvel.

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Agreed. It makes Disney+ a more all-round service and more of a substitute for Now TV.

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It will continue, Homeland (20th Television) was removed from Netflix in multiple regions in January
https://www.whats-on-netflix.com/lea...-january-2022/

The UK license with Netflix doesn't appear to have expired yet ,probably isn't far away as they would probably of ended it early.

Other shows like American Crime Story, Pose , American Horror Story , Sons Of Anarchy , Prison Break were removed from Netflix UK this year

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And all this is a good indicator that the TV channels are ultimately doomed. Only those making a shedload of their own content will have any chance of survival. But even they are relying more and more on streaming solutions to address these issues.

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You’re assuming content owners view channels in the arbitrary binary manner you do, and not complementary to an on demand offering.

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You could argue the same about Paramount+ it's not just Star Trek , all of Showtime current and upcoming dramas apart the Disney owned 'The Chi' will be on this along with the back catalogue content aswell as Paramount+ Originals , there will be probably be other Paramount owned content on it aswell.

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I agree. If streaming services start pulling all their content from channels then the 200+ channels on Sky for example will disappear and it will be whittled down to a few and then you have got to ask yourself if Sky will even to be able to keep up. As they aren't a global platform they won't be able to keep up with producing the volume of original content that streaming services currently do and customers will move to other services which are cheaper and provide more and better quality content.

Will Sky be relegated to the likes of the BBC, have a handful of channels and a streaming service which produces budget domestic programming?

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Sky are owned by Comcast who own NBC/Universal also Peacock, although the number of channels will decline Sky will be fine for original content
But sooner or later the streaming bubble will burst, people will not pay for loads of different streaming services.

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yeah. You might find companies like Sky end up redefining themselves and serving as a centralised platform for streaming content. You can already access services like Netflix, Prime, Disney+ and Apple on SkyQ and Sky even provide and advertise content from those services as if it were their own.

Streaming services are exploding and there will definitely be a saturation point in what people are willing to pay for. There is a discussion at the moment about the government scraping the BBC license fee altogether and something like that will be a litmus test for whether the BBC can stand on its own two feet or collapse.

In the future I think there will be a handful of content providers analogous to what there is with music now (e.g. Amazon music, Apple, Spotify) and you will pay something like £50/month and have access to everything and the service provider pays a percentage to the producer (e.g. Disney) based on what you watch. The way things are going at the moment just aren't sustainable. You can't pay a license fee, Sky, Netflix, Prime, Apple and Disney just to be able to watch e.g. Stranger Things, Star Trek, Foundation and Marvel plus a random selection of things from Sky.

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I'm assuming nothing. You can see what is happening. All the content that would previously landed on our TV channels is moving over to the streamers. Gradually, there is less and less must-see content on the TV channels.

You seem to be saying that content owners will carry their content on the streamers but also make it available on the broadcast channels. That doesn't appear to be the case generally. Look at the channels that are disappearing from our screens because those very content owners are putting everything exclusively on to their streamers.

Some are at a half-way house, it is true, but this will change. The evidence of which way this is going is plain for all to see.

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You've no evidence at all, despite often proclaiming that you do.

Streamers are now becoming a higher cost, lower quality, reduced choice alternative to the platforms they are displacing. Anything you can see will only get slower, not faster, as the market evolves.

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I am in the 20% nothing I would pay for !

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Ditto

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Interesting. Disney+ is the first service i would pay for and Apple second.

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I'm not convinced that you are actually looking at what is happening on the ground. TV channels like Disney channels are rapidly disappearing and many more will follow. How do you explain that, having regard to your TV channel obsession?

Have you actually looked at the linear offerings recently? Hardly anything worth watching, unless of course, your standards are a lot lower than mine.

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The evidence is what is happening right in front of your eyes.

I accept that you cannot see this.

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Disney+ is mainly kids' stuff but the Star brand is increasing content choice. It has a long way to go before adult content is at a sufficient level to attract adults. When they get there, they will give Netflix a run for their money. But they are not there yet.

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Forget channels. Sky need to develop a new streamer and fill it with as many originals as they can put forward, supplemented by as much legacy stuff as they can muster.

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what about Judge Judy?

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2022/05/11.gif

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Sky need to develop a new streamer ????? They already have Now TV :confused:

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I know, but there are better streamers out there. Have you actually tried to find stuff on your watchlist?

I think Sky could do quite well, actually, but they need to concentrate on quality. The Sky Atlantic stuff is rather good.

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Better to who you ?????

It offers me linear Sport , News decent selection of shows and movies so to me it gets more use than Netflix.

You seem to struggle with the fact everyone likes different things.

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I’m not knocking the content. I was referring to the UI. No need to be aggressive! :sorry:

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I’m surprised that despite two quotes of the same post you didn’t manage a substantive response on either occasion.

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I didn’t think an explanation of my posts was necessary. What I stated was pure common sense. Content is going one way, and I have difficulty understanding why you would dispute that.

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Repeating the phrase “common sense” neither makes it common nor sense, and it’s definitely not a substitute for evidence.

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My God, you are getting desperate to find anything to argue about these days, jfman! :D

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Not really, my position has always been clear throughout that the television market will sustain linear, on-demand, traditional broadcast and streaming for many years to come.

Your absolute opinion that there will be no linear channels and therefore no traditional broadcasts is no closer now than it was last year, or the year before that. If anything as the cost of living crisis squeezes streaming services will be increasingly seen as disposable.

Clutching to every minor channel closure here and there is irrelevant as nobody is making the claim that there will be hundreds of linear channels in the future. It's a straw man.

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SKY literally have 2 streaming services NOW and the upcoming SKY glass puc as a standalone. (3 if you include SKYGO)
I'm pretty sure they know a lot more than me and you about what they need to do.
Regarding NOWs ui i do agree it could be better.

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If they were ran by anyone else but Sky we'd have OB frothing at the mouth with excitement. All your big streamers in all in one place, etc.

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The biggest issue I have with Now streaming and Sky Atlantic is the very limited availability of the HBO series. Thirty days after the end of a season and it's gone. Not competitive with the other streaming services on price either - an extra £5 a month for HD is a rip off

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That only really occurs now with some shows that launched during their original two pacts - unless the show has been moved to ‘library’ content any new show that launched from 2021 onwards goes straight to on demand after the catch up window such as The Nevers, Mare Of Easttown and Scenes From A Marriage…. They’ve also managed to snag long term rights to Euphoria and Succession which would normally be party to that revolving door which still applies to the likes of Barry and Righteous Gemstones (likely because Succession and Euphoria are the two biggest HBO shows right now so worth any extra outlay to keep them long term)

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There also planning to launch Sky Showtime (Paramount, Sky and NBC Universal content) in over 20 European countries later this year)

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HD should be standard these days, you shouldn't be having to pay a premium for it

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Didn't the standard price for the Boost used to £3 ?

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I’ve never paid the full price for anything on Now TV currently have movies for a £1 and boost for £2.:D

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Incidentally, I streamed the FA Cup final on my phone and had the result ruined by a BBC News notification before the missed penalty happened on screen.

What a future to look forward to.

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I always turn notifications off during match time for that exact reason.

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Also a pain when your next door neighbours watch via Sky so start cheering on the penalties (and Eurovision points) a second or two before they appear on the Freeview feed.

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Old Boy has not challenged this key point of yours so I think that we can accept it as a rare forum consensus. Certainly, Sky's entertainment offering has been weakened with the loss of Disney and Fox content with no price reduction for those who wanted to continue watching their favourite series over on Disney +.

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Too right. When I contacted retentions last June as Fox disappeared I got an £8 pm discount for 18 months. But when the price rise letter arrived I rang again and actually ended up paying even less for another new 18 months. However it shouldn't be down to negotiation and $ky /virgin will need to re-evaluate their pricing.

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VM in particular have run the same rip off model all along. They rely on the fact the majority just sit back and let their accounts run, these are the same people who never change their energy and let their car/home insurance policies renew. Those who call and are prepared to leave tend to get a much much better deal and in my opinion it is wrong, everyone should get a fair deal

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At current prices and with an 18 month contract I would never have either VM TV or Sky TV it’s just not worth it for our household.

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I wouldn’t call the Disney channels, Universal, Fox and the like ‘minor channels’, jfman. I don’t know where you think the content for our existing channels is going to come from in the years ahead. They will be filled mostly with cheap old repeats, tat and the occasional original thrown in by the terrestrials. Sky will migrate to streaming much sooner than you envisage.

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And that’s an entirely subjective assessment on your part, Old Boy.

If we take the Google definition lesser in importance, seriousness, or significance. then yes, by viewership and by revenue these channels would be of lower importance than Sky Sports, Sky Basics, ITV family of channels, Channel 4 and associated channels and those from Five. Their content is also arguably of lesser importance than that from Netflix or Amazon Prime.

Where anyone else gets them I presume?

Sky already stream on not one but THREE platforms now, OB. Four if you include Sky Go but I don’t believe it can be purchased standalone.

Your persistence in viewing the television market through the perverse lens of competing, as opposed to complementary technologies continues to mean you reach the wrong conclusions.

As you will see I’ve linked in the other thread to satellite manufacturers are investing in building the next generation of satellites that will serve Europe to 2040 and beyond.

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The Disney channels didn't seem too important, Disney couldn't reach a carriage agreement with Sky or with Virgin. Disney were reported as wanting more money for channels that were performing very badly and in decline. Universal content was largely absorbed into Sky Witness and new channels such as Sky Comedy, that was more about Comcast consolidating their portfolio. So that leaves Fox, not the most prestigious channel, a few decent programmes and a lot of filler content. So, in the end, very much minor channels and no big loss.

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Syfy also doesn't really air any new programming now, since Sky took control , Resident Alien and Chucky are shown on Sky Max , Not sure what Sky plans for it are , Syfy was integrated into Sky Media Listings at the end of February so doesn't suggest it''s closing , Sky acquired SurrealEstate and Day Of The Dead and still haven't aired them.

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More of a Sci Fi archive channel now with newer stuff going onto Sky Max. Maybe not a good sign that they have started showing "Most Haunted" on there, well, it is fiction I suppose. Not much science though.

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So you were really referring to all the non-premium pay TV channels when you referred to 'minor channels'!

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lol. :D

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My point being that the most new content is heading for the streamers. People will not continue to pay for hundreds of channels that do not screen the programmes they want to watch.

Yes, Sky are now streaming on multiple platforms, and it's only a matter of time before satellite TV in this country ceases to exist.

The reason I am of the view that TV channels will cease to exist by 2035 is that nobody will be making programmes available to them, so they will be reliant on their own material. When you say 'complementary' channels, I have to say that I am not yet aware of any plans for a Netflix channel, a Disney channel, an Apple channel, etc. We will get a few FAST channels, at least in the early days but I most certainly wouldn't watch them!

Even ITV is setting up their more advanced streamer site, ITVX, which will encourage people to switch to streaming because their whole series of their original dramas will be on there first. This is much more ambitious than the ITV Hub and it is a further demonstration that broadcasters are anxious to embrace the technology and phase out the old. It makes commercial sense too, because viewers who do not wish to pay a subscription will not be able to fast forward through the adverts. Advertisers will pay more for that and ultimately will steer away from the broadcast channels.

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They’re all minor, yes. I don’t think that’s a difficult concept to understand and a customary back of a cigarette paper calculation of the amounts Sky paid out to third parties puts them all in the pennies per month per subscriber tab.

Even the Sky Basics dispute in 2007 was over 90p per subscriber per month for the highest rating non-terrestrial channels according to the BARB.

Contrary to your claim that English language general entertainment will be hard to come by it’s actually widely available from a breadth of sources. The amount of new content being made vastly outstrips what any viewer can consume in a given time period. Hence the ability of Netflix (and others) to rely upon regurgitating old Friends episodes or stuff the BBC premiered years ago as they claim an extensive back catalogue of content.

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Again you portray this binary where a company with linear channels cannot stream and vice versa.

They’ll go where the money is - they are not fanatical like you are about a single technology.

And why would the viewer go down that route over a V6 or a Sky Q?

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Satellite ain't going anywhere OB dear chap, terrestial on the otherhand will cease in time as mobile bandwidth takes more frequencies.
Satellite will remain in place for many many years as the uk simply does not have the infrastructure for everyone to go online tv only, and it will take a very long time and a huge cost for that to happen.
However we may see the expansion of satellite broadband and the likes of starlink but again those occure huge costs for example starlink is over £650 to get started and then £89p/m afterwards.

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Some of us have been making the point about broadband infrastructure literally for years in this and other similar threads. You’re wasting your keyboard time - there’s no telling him.

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The broadband rollout should be finished by then! Where do you think the terrestrials will go if broadcast frequencies are no longer available?
If the terrestrials go IPTV, you can bet your life that Sky won’t continue to offer TV channels as they exist now.

I can’t see Sky keeping their satellite system going forever. It must be far cheaper to use IPTV than keep paying for all that transponder space for a start.

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Chris, you and others have been poo-pooing the idea of streaming becoming the most favoured means of access to content and eventually taking over altogether for many years. You even said at one stage that we didn’t have sufficient electricity supplies to provide large scale on demand programming.

It’s not going to happen today or tomorrow, but it will happen, and it’s the government’s intention that the whole country will be broadband connected over the next few years.

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OB dear chap i used to work in the industry until a few months back and i'm still very much in touch with old collegues. Terrestial tv will be moved to satellite eventually it will not go to online only not in our lifetime anyway.
FTTP is a very slow progress and you have to take into account isolated homes too less than 31% of the UK has access to fftp, i live in a big city and they've only just finished laying it down here via city fibre, we are a very long way from the uk being ready for all tv to go online.
Just because itv are launching a new and improved online service doesn't mean they are going online only, they are simply increasing their revenue channels.

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This bit in bold isn’t actually relevant. You’re portraying us as taking an extreme stance - which of course we are not. Almost everyone, perhaps even everyone, accepts on demand growth is happening and will continue. We simply don’t see it reaching 100% in the completely arbitrary timescale you present.

As for the Government’s broadband aspirations they have no such thing as a plan for the “whole country”, and it’d be generous to call what plans they do have as deliverable “in the next few years”.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...update#summary

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Actually we don’t even have the capacity in the national grid to support total electrification of road traffic, and that’s something we know is going to happen over the next 15 years because, unlike your fantasy shift to IPTV, it is stated government policy (as anything profoundly affecting national infrastructure ought to be).

The data source for the power requirement of an entirely IP-driven TV service is buried somewhere in one of the old threads and frankly I’m not going to be your dancing monkey and go and find it again for you. When facts are inconvenient to you, you simply ignore them anyway, so it would be a waste of my time - it’s clear from your comment above that in your head you’ve managed to remember I said something but conveniently forgotten that the claim was evidenced. Yes, I did even say that at one stage. Because it’s a fact.

If you fancy educating yourself about the challenges faced worldwide by power grid managers, go and feast your eyes on this. Just in the UK our total annual energy consumption is expected to hit 450 terawatt-hours before 2050 (it’s a little over 300TWh at the moment). https://eelpower.co.uk/challenges-for-the-grid

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for what it's worth dude I agree with you. It sounds like we are in the minority so we can go down together. :hugs:

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Yes. As they say, there are none so blind…