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Has Putin stopped laughing made a comment yet?

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Got to be true then. :rolleyes:

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He and China have said it is too early to congratulate Biden. Make of that what you will.

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He's probably distraught, he's lost his best ally.

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Nope because I do not like Creepy Joe or the Democrats. They cheat a lot. Gone far too much to the left, are not the same party it once was under JFK.

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Agreed they can.
But saying someone's "not my president" because they didn't vote for him is different from saying the election has ben rigged and refusing to accept they've lost and declaring they've won in the face of the facts is in another league.

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Putin just became more powerful, joe will never remember where the red button is or what the hell it's for if he finds it:)

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sounds familiar a bit like remainers after the UK referendum in 2016.

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I feel much the same about Accrington Stanley.

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Alright but remember it's quite an extraordinary accusation to say that an election is outright rigged. It's not something we see often in proper Democracy. We've seen people say that a party lied to get into power, that there was foreign interference, that the media helped them, that they disenfranchised voter groups and so on. But we rarely hear of outright rigging by stuffing ballot boxes.

That is a coup.

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And having to make good on that promise to play all those rounds of golf with Trump if his troll farms in St Petersburgh didn't secure his second victory. :D

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Accrington Stanley !!................who are dey?

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:D:D:D

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Trump's Director of Campaign Communications has been sharing doctored photos about the 2000 election

https://twitter.com/politicalgates/s...117484035?s=21

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I actually hope all these court cases proceed. If just for the entertainment value of Trump consistently losing.

Nobody, anywhere, with any objectivity seriously believes that the Democrats rigged the election including in states with Republican Governors and Republican Secretaries of State. They could have at least rigged a couple of Senate races while they are at it.

More recounts and more scrutiny isn't going to get Trump the tens of thousands of votes he needs and no Supreme Court is seriously going to throw out legitimate votes to deny a President-elect who won the popular vote by 5 million votes his rightful place in the Oval Office.

Republican strategist Karl Rove of all people has said it's beyond all credibility, so let's see it play out. As papa smurf earlier stated if there's nothing to hide there's nothing to fear.

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A poor bit of fakery as the text in the article says Bush won!

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Has that kind of shit ever actually won an argument:shrug:

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Not on Cable Forum, no.

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You can pull out Rudy Giuliani the man who led the prosecution of New York mafia bosses and was major of New York through 9/11. For some reason he is defending Trump, he doesn't need to, his place in history is assured.

In fact people may try to erase him for backing Trump.

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Yes, unfortunately Giuliani's hitherto good reputation has been severely damaged by his close association with Trump and propensity to defend the indefensible.

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His performance outside that Philadelphia porn shop yesterday was worthy of the master himself.

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:rofl:

Oh yeah the four seasons fiasco where they couldn't book the hotel but made do with a garden centres car park with the same name, well I presume they couldn't book it? Maybe it was their intention all long to have it there :shrug: well it is close to the porn shop as you say.

Rudy was tweeting earlier pleading for people to send him their best guesses on how the election was stolen and he'll take them to court, well maybe not their guesses, he's got his own which might be better. I will miss these guys when they're gone, everything they do, even the most innocuous turns into a fiasco, it's almost as if they don't care as their "base" will lap it up regard less and call it fake news.

I wonder if it's occured to anyone that the democrats plan to pinch the presidency would've failed if donny could've stopped people voting for Jo Jorgensen in the swing states and how bad are the dems at cheating, Hilary lost, they've not won the Senate, hell they couldn't even get Mitch McConnell out but it's all rigged, even though they relied on libertarians getting votes., good plan Joe, no wonder they call you sleepy.

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Giuliani has been on board the Trump train for years. He has been mocked on SNL and other things since before that. One time for bizarrely claiming that:

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/15/p...ack/index.html

Which was...weird...

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I thought he was auditioning for one of those US religious channels when he dramatically reacted to being told Biden had won!

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BTW There is another reason why Trump is fundraising for legal challenges: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...gn-debt-report

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Overnight it appears some of the remaining votes in Arizona weren't enough for Trump. Likely to stay in Biden's column.

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"Sleepy Joe" winning is clearly a disappointment to some in the UK as well as the US.

To those disappointed Trump supporters in the UK, I urge you to consider the question: What has Donald Trump done for this great country of ours? For example, where is that Anglo-American trade deal to save us from the clutches of the "corrupt" and "perfidious" EU?

Grab yourselves a piece of paper, and make yourslf a list of all the things he's done for our country. Once you've read it, I'm sure you will feel better about Saturday's result.

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. . . and Sleepy Joe . . sorry, Slasher Harris . . is going to be the one person who will come riding to the rescue?

You need to stop watching all those American films that have happy endings, their addling your brain :p:

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Congratulatory messages from most places. But not from Russia. They are gutted their man didn't get in. They've not been able to fix this one.

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Breaking News . . Putin reported to be furious that the USA have overtaken Russia in the table of Countries 'most likely to cheat at elections'

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I thought Saddam was a dab hand at "winning" elections,but this is world class.

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They did not fix the last one either or Brexit. Stop peddling lies all the time Mr K!

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They certainly tried even if the result of that attempt is disputed:
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/...rt_Volume2.pdf
IRA is the 'St. Petersburg-based Internet Research Agency' in the context of the report.

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Jesus, not this again. Then Trying and actually succeeding are two different things. Trump was legitimately elected in 2016, Democratically winning more States by Americans voting for him, not because of Russia.

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Those aren't mutually exclusive things.

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Why do think Russia wanted Trump as Presisent ?(whether they succeeded in influencing things is a separate issue)
Weak, maybe? He'd cause more division in the country?business interests? they had something on him? Its a mystery......

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Because Hillary was a warmonger. We definitely avoided WW 3 with her loss. But Russia Russia Russia-All bullshit as usual. I’m not arguing with you or others on this, I said all I said about 2016 election in 2017, 2018...., the result was legitimate and proper. Now back on topic, which is this 2020 election!

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I would not even concede that Russia wanted Trump. Russia wants division in the US, whether Trump or Hillary won it wouldn't matter as long as the sides hate each other.

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The two are not mutually exclusive. As Ben posted earlier, Russia did want Trump to win Russia wants division in the US but its focus indicates a preference for Trump.

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They seem to achieve that without any help:(

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I bet Trump wishes these results came out last week

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The Covid vaccine results? We need a court investigation as to why Pfizer only announced the results after the election!

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Pfizer is based in NY City - says it all...

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They needed the weekend to buy shares in airlines. ;)

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Well, this is awkward!
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...rtan-ntp-feeds

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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1604939573

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Lol, the Trumps are clearly following this forum! ;)

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https://www.axios.com/trump-2024-pre...source=twitter

As I said before I can see him getting the nomination easily.

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Does that mean he admits defeat this time?

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No, because I think he wants to maximise grievance this time as a rallying cry for a 2024 bid.

Remember his e-mails for 'legal funding' have a stipulation that half of it will go to repaying campaign debts and it appears his main legal team consists of Giuliani holding press conferences.

How much of this is a serious legal effort compared to PR effort? A serious legal effort would be vetting their witnesses for court, not putting out convicted sex offenders for the media.

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I'm not convinced of that. But it did work for Nixon.

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How do you mean?

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Well I don't believe the "two sources" thing at all. I think that is fake news simply designed to get his followers to go "oh well, better luck next time".

Nixon famously lost to Kennedy in what many believed to be fraud in Iowa (I think it was Iowa). But 2 elections later Nixon won every state but one.

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But I don't believe the Republicans will let Trump near the nomination again. I could be wrong but that's what I think.

Sorry illinios not iowa

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No Such Agency would do that... ;)

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This is very sad. I had hoped Trump would leave graciously but trusting in a sex offender and holding a press conference in a garden centre car park bookended by a sex shop and cemetery - you couldn't pitch this script to Hollywood, they would call it unrealistic! :td:

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I see what you did there. :D

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The Trump irony is he started his Presidency, with "lock her up."


He will end it with "Lock him up" if you go by the pending court cases.

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Why not buy one of these?;)

https://shopclass.threadless.com/des.../ringer-unisex

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Trump has been tweeting again but from the sounds of it they're gonna try to overturn the results in Nevada, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Georga. Which would be enough to give him the election.

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Might as well do legal challenges in every state that voted Democrat just in the off chance they find a handful of improperly cast ballots.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/09/covi...ronavirus.html

It’s almost as if holding crowded events in an enclosed area with very few, if any, wearing masks, was a bad thing that spread infections...

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You mean a bit like Biden supporters were on Saturday, in their thousands outside the White House and other Democrat cities, when the media unofficially declared him the winner. :rolleyes:

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I thought the President and his closest advisors were supposed to lead by example, not act like a crowd?

(A lot of whom were wearing masks, unlike the White House event).

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Biden supporters should know better then shouldn't they?

But oh wow, you have super abilities now that you can see most if not all are wearing masks, here's the thing, it is irrelevant, only takes one not to wear one and there are several in that video of Biden supporters not wearing one, it only takes one to spread to several people Hugh.

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Also tbh I doubt masks are that effective when you're in a huge mass of people.

They shouldn't have done it. America is hitting record levels of infection now so it's also a very dangerous time to do it.

Makes me wonder about the inauguration as well. Will it be a public event?

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Thanks Damien, this is all I was after. You cannot attack one side and totally ignore the other side doing the same, regardless if more are wearing masks, not all were and it is still the same thing.

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If they’re used properly masks are highly effective even in a crowd. The operative however is “properly”. If it is intercepting live virus particles on its outer surface (statistically quite likely in a crowd), then how the wearer removes and disposes of it is critical, as is how they wash and disinfect themselves afterwards. During the summer, Mrs had to go through a lengthy recommended decontamination process every evening when she came home from staffing the key workers kids’ school. I doubt many people of either political stripe will have done this when coming home from a crowd.

I have heard Biden’s comments about mask wearing repeatedly on the news. On the face of it it’s simple, common sense advice, but what he’s actually doing is sowing a narrative that democrats are sensible mask wearers and Trump supporters are reckless. He’s right, everyone should be wearing a mask, but for the sake of de-escalation he should be shying away from addressing it as a partisan issue at all IMO. The risk is that he entrenches behaviour from some people who decide to proudly adopt it as a symbol of their political independence. That wouldn’t help anyone.

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BREAKING: Current Senator Majority leader, Mitch McConnell has thrown his support behind President Trump, declining to recognise Joe Biden's victory. U.S Attorney General, Bill Barr was seen entering and leaving his office, ignoring media reporters questions.

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However, McConnell seems to be careful in his words though saying Trump can pursue all legal avenues rather than backing his claims.

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Agreed. He's stating the facts.

Similarly people making statements about ensuring legal votes count and illegal votes do not is carefully crafted fence sitting.

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Also, talk at this juncture is cheap. Trump ceases to be president at noon on 20 January 2021 regardless of any political declaration by anyone.

As things stand, the States will send their electors who will vote by a majority to make Biden the formal president-elect. The only thing that can possibly prevent that is an unprecedented intervention by the Supreme Court, which would have to set aside an enormous number of ballots to make any material difference to the outcome of the election.

As with so much in US politics, it’s all theatre for consumption by the faithful, and in the case of senior republicans half of them will now be wondering exactly what they have to do to get the party nomination in 2024, given Trump is now free to pursue it himself if he wishes.

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The supreme court need not necessarily get involved. The states could audit the vote before certification and discrepancies trigger count changes.

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Which they could only do in the unlikely event one of these cases manages to even reach them and, if it does, even a partisan court will only break for Trump in a tight decision. The Justices of either side wouldn't want to completely undermine the court for Trump by overturning a result - in multiple states - without very good reason to do so.

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Yes, the states also have their own supreme courts. That’s not my point - which is simply that it makes no difference who accepts the results or whether Trump concedes. His presidency will end regardless, as a matter of constitutional process.

Trump’s failure to make a concession speech will simply be consistent with the sort of graceless behaviour he is now well known for.

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I don't think anyone disputes that.

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Guess which two now Supreme Court Justices that were on President George W. Bush's legal team during the Al Gore fight in 2000?

Justice Brett Kavanaugh and Justice Amy Coney Barratt.

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They are quite entitled to do that, go to court and produce the evidence if it exists.

So far we have (not all but a couple) of accusations of "tremendous corruption and fraud” being perpetrated by Democratic officials in Georgia which has a Republican governor, Republican legislature and Republican officials who oversee voting.

Republican attorneys general across the US filing a joint brief to the US Supreme Court contesting vote counts in Pennsylvania.

The officials argue that the state's court "overstepped" when it allowed ballots post-marked by 3 November but received after the date to be counted. When Pennsylvania's mail voting law was approved last year by the state's Republican-majority legislature.

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But it is totally graceless, the Democrats entering an election they intend to cheat in, with dead people voting, and I have seen today that somebody's dog was given voter registration and had apparently voted in this election.

It is a legal process to contest dodgy dealings and the Democrats do have form Chris, especially when the DNC and Hillary Clinton paid for the fake Russian dossier.

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And that might help them in a close decision but these two justices are lifetime appointments now and I don't see them doing anything too outlandish.

The only way I see Trump overturning the election is via evidence of a wide-ranging and coordinated fraud at a federal level.

At the moment it seems like a pick and mix attempt to find problems with ballots in some of these close states to overturn enough until Trump can hit 270. He'll find problems, there always are, but coordinated fraud involving tens of thousands of ballots in multiple states is a harder task.

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No, "wide-spread fraud" is a red herring, it is not done that way because it is pointless in a electoral college system. You need only discount enough votes to swing battleground states. The fraud need only be from certain officials or even just ground level workers.

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Even senior British judges have political friends and former political activities in their pasts. The nature of the British media and our view of the judiciary is such that these considerations don’t really get an airing.

I think a lot of people misunderstand the significance of an individual US Supreme Court judge’s political sympathies. Whether they err to the conservative or the liberal/progressive side will come out in the way they interpret legal questions against the constitution. It doesn’t mean they’re going to make nakedly political judgments that result in overturning the prospective presidency of a man who secured five million more votes than his opponent. Yes, these people are conservative leaning, but they take the job because they believe in the stability of the USA’s constitutional democracy and they are well aware of the long-term damage they would cause by interfering in elections.

For them to set aside enough votes to materially affect the outcome will require far more than being friends with a former republican president. It will require massive evidence of systematic ballot rigging, of the sort that simply did not happen.

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Mick, you are stating as fact nothing that has as yet been proven, if it does subsequently have the evidence rather than an allegation put forward then and only then can the result be called into question. It's like the dead voting if it did happen then it is up to Trump and his team to present the evidence at court.

I await with baited breath.

BTW nice to see you providing links to these accusations.

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Anyway, we'll see. I don't care too much about the court cases because they'll work themselves out eventually either way.

There are more pressing questions though such as does Trump allow his White House to work with the transition team? At the moment that seems an open question. https://apnews.com/article/election-...747fde8e01319c

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Has there ever been tens of thousands of ballots thrown out in US History? That would have to happen in multiple states and then the Democrats will be finding reasons to reject Republican votes too.

These cases would eventually end up in the Supreme Court.

Remember Flordia was less than 2,000 votes and look at the mess there. 10,000+ votes in multiple states. Don't see it.

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With that attitude you can go find them yourself.

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BREAKING: U.S Attorney General William Barr authorizes federal prosecutors to pursue “substantial allegations” of voting irregularities in the 2020 U.S Elections.

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If such allegations of substance exist.

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Indeed. The court's decision-making will make for cringe-worthy TV viewing. it will be like watching a box set of The Office.

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I don't see the point in chasing fairy tales.

BTW you missed a bit from your breaking news.

Link

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This also is good news for not delaying certification:

Means some of this smaller stuff can't be used to delay the process.

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This maybe intended as showmanship to rally his base for the next election, but its going to end up causing him more damage. Putting personal pride before your country won't end well. It's already alienating mainstream Republucans.

Anyway in 4 years time he'll be too old and surely have dementia. There are signs he isn't being too rational already, don't know if anyone's noticed ? ;)

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I think He's being pretty rational. As Damien has previously linked to, half the funds for the election investigations go to pay off the debts for the 2020 re-election. There's evidently a pool of Trump supporters willing to believe his every word and not think more critically. More importantly, some can be convinced to dip into their pockets for him.

But I agree some of his speeches do give the impression of cognitive degeneration. Most recently that 17-minute rant. But has it got worse over the last four years? I couldn't say. I hope not

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I don’t doubt that there was many fraudulent ballots, it happens here too.

But I don’t think they’ll be able to evidence that it was on a scale to overturn or nullify the election.

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:tu:

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Any recount could increase President Joe's lead. Now that would be funny ... :D

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Same. There will certainly be dodgy ballots in a country with 160 million votes or whatever. The question is proving coordinated and mass-scale fraud sufficient to overturn the result, as Barr's statement says.

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Fox News have chosen to cut off a rather desperate press conference from Kayleigh McEnancy which suggested electoral fraud.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsl...rtan-ntp-feeds

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Real shame VM don't do Fox News, we're missing out on the entertainment! :)

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For those who aren't offended by free speech the full press conference


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtZHMTDDDec

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Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences.

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Margarine is not butter.

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Amazing: https://order-order.com/2020/11/10/n...tulated-trump/

No 10 has two messages ready to go which itself isn't a surprise but it seems the graphic designers didn't have two images and simply editing the existing one by fading out the old text!