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RichardCoulter 13-07-2019 16:16

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Originally Posted by Legendkiller2k (Post 36002277)
Possibly yes or they might evolve it into a Universal movies channel?

Yes, I doubt that they'd want to scrap 'Universal' as a channel brand.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36001785)
I doubt very much that VM will get Now TV. If we get Atlantic at all, it will be as a live channel. VM will have a separate deal with Sky.

It had crossed my mind that VM might have done a similar deal as BT to give VM customers access to Sky Atlantic via the Now TV app.

The trouble is, some people might downgrade to a lower pack as Now TV Entertainment also provides some of the pay channels that VM also supply.

If Amazon Prime arrives with the live channels included, then we will know that VM aren't too concerned about this and Sky Atlantic via the Now TV app could be a possibility. It would allow VM to say that SA was available on their platform and this would not cost them anything (in fact they are likely to receive a payment for adding the app).

Sky would be happy as it would make things easier for their Now TV customers and help to drive up subscriptions.

During the Sky Basics dispute, Sky wanted VM to allow them to sell their channels directly to VM customers, but VM were having none of it. Adding Now TV is a way of doing this and could benefit Sky at carriage renewal time; if their channels were ever removed again, they could simply encourage VM customers to get them back again by signing up to the VM Now TV app.

Derekb108 13-07-2019 18:18

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Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36000408)
Haven't had a chance to watch the two you added later at the bottom, and it's a shame I don't understand what is being said. I had seen photos before but I thought they had distorted the box...but it is a thinner and wider version of the V6 design.

The interface looked slick in the video I have had a chance to watch, but I can't say I was particularly impressed. Seemed slickness for slickness sake rather than intuitive/logical.

Its the same as the V6 Box without the Hard drive compartment. They must record to the cloud, not to the hard drive...

Media Boy UK 14-07-2019 14:18

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Media Boy HQ has found two unknown channels testing on CO68:

Channel A is broadcasting nothing
http://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.ph...&sec=0&lang=en

Channel B is broadcasting RealLives
http://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.ph...&sec=0&lang=en

Both appeared on Thursday Night.

http://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.ph...ng=en&mux=C068

Calling 'Old Boy';)

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New Sky information to be EXCLUSIVE reveal by Media Boy HQ after 4pm TODAY.

Dave42 14-07-2019 14:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36002551)
Media Boy HQ has found two unknown channels testing on CO68:

Channel A is broadcasting nothing
http://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.ph...&sec=0&lang=en

Channel B is broadcasting RealLives
http://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.ph...&sec=0&lang=en

Both appeared on Thursday Night.

http://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.ph...ng=en&mux=C068

Calling 'Old Boy';)

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New Sky information to be EXCLUSIVE reveal by Media Boy HQ after 4pm TODAY.




good news hopefully

vincerooney 14-07-2019 14:30

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Action taking places on a sunday for once.... intriguing.

Now if someone can find out then amazon prime launches within the next 10 hours that'll be a super sunday of a day

cheekyangus 14-07-2019 14:32

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4pm. Not long to wait.

Sky1+1 maybe? CNBC swaps to HD on VM? (I'm not trying to be funny, know someone who will want the latter, for golf highlights reasons)

There are numerous things it could be, so many I won't speculate further, especially when the answer will be in 90 mins.

Media Boy UK 14-07-2019 14:34

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I did say "after 4pm".

denphone 14-07-2019 14:37

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Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 36002561)
Action taking places on a sunday for once.... intriguing.

Now if someone can find out then amazon prime launches within the next 10 hours that'll be a super sunday of a day

If we can win at the cricket that will make it a even better day.;)

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36002558)
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good news hopefully

Well if it ain't the perennial grumpers will be along soon.:D:D

Media Boy UK 14-07-2019 14:47

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We will reveal today - just it maybe later than 4pm due to waiting on more information.

cheekyangus 14-07-2019 15:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36002569)
We will reveal today - just it maybe later than 4pm due to waiting on more information.

Fair enough MB. I'd rather have more information delivered at once than bits and pieces spread about.. :)

Media Boy UK 14-07-2019 16:02

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Media Boy EXCLUSIVE: Media Boy Sources reveal NEW Information about Sky/Comcast.

Media Boy HQ has been given new information on what may happen to Sky and Comcast on Virgin Media UK. Infomation was given by Media Boy Sources (And was right at time of posting):

Channels branded that will not change:
-Sky branded channels.
-SYFY.

May Change:
-One Sky Sports Channel may replace by NBCSports.
-Universal channel may become USA Network UK.

Sky Atlantic on Virgin Media UK latest:
Sky Atlantic not in the revised agreement proposed by SKY to Virgin Media.

©copyright 2019 Media Boy 2006 - 2019. An ''Keep it real and free'' Production.

denphone 14-07-2019 16:04

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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36002580)
Media Boy EXCLUSIVE: Media Boy Sources reveal NEW Information about Sky/Comcast.

Media Boy HQ has been given new information on what may happen to Sky and Comcast on Virgin Media UK. Infomation was given by Media Boy Sources (And was right at time of posting):

Channels branded that will not change:
-Sky branded channels.
-SYFY.

May Change:
-One Sky Sports Channel may replace by NBCSports.
-Universal channel may become USA Network UK.

Sky Atlantic on Virgin Media UK latest:
Sky Atlantic not in the revised agreement proposed by SKY to Virgin Media.

©copyright 2019 Media Boy 2006 - 2019. An ''Keep it real and free'' Production.

So much for someone saying it was a cert to come to Virgin Media this year. :nono::nono:

jfman 14-07-2019 16:06

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Oh dear...

denphone 14-07-2019 16:09

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36002582)
Oh dear...

Perennial optimism one would call it...

Dave42 14-07-2019 16:26

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36002580)
Media Boy EXCLUSIVE: Media Boy Sources reveal NEW Information about Sky/Comcast.

Media Boy HQ has been given new information on what may happen to Sky and Comcast on Virgin Media UK. Infomation was given by Media Boy Sources (And was right at time of posting):

Channels branded that will not change:
-Sky branded channels.
-SYFY.

May Change:
-One Sky Sports Channel may replace by NBCSports.
-Universal channel may become USA Network UK.

Sky Atlantic on Virgin Media UK latest:
Sky Atlantic not in the revised agreement proposed by SKY to Virgin Media.

©copyright 2019 Media Boy 2006 - 2019. An ''Keep it real and free'' Production.

anything about sky UHD

Media Boy UK 14-07-2019 16:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36002586)
anything about sky UHD

All infomation we have is now online.

denphone 14-07-2019 16:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36002587)
All infomation we have is now online.

Oh dear two optimistic predictions and both badly wrong...

Media Boy UK 14-07-2019 16:38

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36002589)
Oh dear two optimistic predictions and both badly wrong...

What "two optimistic predictions" are you on about - do tell.

jfman 14-07-2019 16:41

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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36002590)
What "two optimistic predictions" are you on about - do tell.

I think he's implying at least one poster has been optimistic about Sky Atlantic and Sky's UHD content being in any negotiated deal this year.

Mythica 14-07-2019 16:43

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To be taken with a large pinch of salt? The source can't be very strong if the information was may change. How accurate will they know what contract stands between VM and Sky if all the information they have is some channels are/are not being rebranded?

denphone 14-07-2019 16:43

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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36002590)
What "two optimistic predictions" are you on about - do tell.

Nothing to do with you MB.:)

Media Boy UK 14-07-2019 16:47

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Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36002592)
To be taken with a large pinch of salt? The source can't be very strong if the information was may change. How accurate will they know what contract stands between VM and Sky if all the information they have is some channels are/are not being rebranded?

Life is all may and buts.

Mythica 14-07-2019 16:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36002594)
Life is all may and buts.

When its exclusive information? It's not very exclusive if it may or may not be happening. In fact isn't that just a guess?

jfman 14-07-2019 17:07

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Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36002595)
When its exclusive information? It's not very exclusive if it may or may not be happening. In fact isn't that just a guess?

It certainly reads more like a guess than a credible rumour.

This late in the day Sky may just come back with UHD and Atlantic on the table despite the fact they've known this negotiation was due for months, and to be honest those are the most valuable/most contentious elements of any proposed deal???

cheekyangus 14-07-2019 17:21

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I don't think the USA Network or the NBC Sports parts will happen. The latter because there is no point in introducing another brand when you you own the UK market leader in Pay Sports. And I've not seen the USA Network name mentioned in even the US news stuff I look at for quite some time, their shows don't get mentioned these days, let alone in the UK where I've not seen their name since the early days of Channel 5 on the end of shows they bought back then.

It costs money to introduce new brands and most media companies are consolidating around just a few brands these days. I just don't see it.

vincerooney 14-07-2019 17:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36002597)
I don't think the USA Network or the NBC Sports parts will happen. The latter because there is no point in introducing another brand when you you own the UK market leader in Pay Sports. And I've not seen the USA Network name mentioned in even the US news stuff I look at for quite some time, their shows don't get mentioned these days, let alone in the UK where I've not seen their name since the early days of Channel 5 on the end of shows they bought back then.

It costs money to introduce new brands and most media companies are consolidating around just a few brands these days. I just don't see it.

Aye unless they're going to dip their toes into the british sport market? A bit like why why BT still have the ESPN channel. Do NBC Sports have any rights for sports which the UK doesn't have which they can show in the UK under their current deals?

I've never really understood why sport rights are split up so much. Back in the days of eurosport it was the same sport channel in most of europe showing the same shows. Now i know we've moved back from there with sports wanting more money etc but it feels in this instance we've gone back in the last 30 years for uniting sports rights.

Could NBC be trying to do this with a combined channel which shows the same coverage in both the UK and USA at the same time? Is it even possible?

jfman 14-07-2019 17:39

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NBC are also owned by Comcast, so yes, they're heavily in the UK sports market as it is. You're right though there's no need to bring more brands into the equation.

OLD BOY 14-07-2019 20:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36002581)
So much for someone saying it was a cert to come to Virgin Media this year. :nono::nono:

No-one said it was a cert, Den, but Sky's own press release did kind of indicate that it was coming.

muppetman11 14-07-2019 20:42

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I'm struggling to believe much of that , why would Comcast want another Sports brand when it already has Sky Sports.

And why rebrand Universal channel to USA Network not really getting that.

jfman 14-07-2019 20:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002615)
No-one said it was a cert, Den, but Sky's own press release did kind of indicate that it was coming.

I don't know how many times I have to repeat that it absolutely didn't.

muppetman11 14-07-2019 20:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36002619)
US Golf
MLS
NFL
NBA

All of which already air on Sky Sports so no point.

Media Boy UK 14-07-2019 20:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 36002621)
All of which already air on Sky Sports so no point.

If you go back to my post at 4pm today I did say One of the Sky Sports channels (Sky Sports name here) may* close for NBC Sport to launch.

*"-One Sky Sports Channel may replace by NBCSports."

muppetman11 14-07-2019 20:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36002623)
If you go back to my post at 4pm today I did say One of the Sky Sports channels (Sky Sports name here) will close for NBC Sport to launch.

"-One Sky Sports Channel may replace by NBCSports."

May be wrong but just don't see it , Sky Sports is a far more recognised brand in Europe.

Media Boy UK 14-07-2019 20:53

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Just passing on information we was given today by an Media Boy Source.

OLD BOY 14-07-2019 21:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36002594)
Life is all may and buts.

Are you sure about this, MB? It doesn't sound right to me.

Media Boy UK 14-07-2019 21:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002630)
Are you sure about this, MB? It doesn't sound right to me.

"You MAY win Lotto BUT get hit by the bus on your way to get it".

OLD BOY 14-07-2019 21:20

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36002620)
I don't know how many times I have to repeat that it absolutely didn't.

Sky absolutely did.

https://www.skygroup.sky/corporate/m...of-tv-channels

This agreement is a further step in Sky’s strategy to maximise distribution of key channel brands and to monetise its content investment further across all TV platforms. By adding Now TV to the heart of BT’s TV offering, Sky’s portfolio of TV entertainment brands will be available to all UK consumers through each major Pay-TV service, reaching new customers and expanding the appeal of our channels to advertisers.

Sky's own website, that was.

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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36002631)
"You MAY win Lotto BUT get hit by the bus on your way to get it".

Well, that's a great help.

jfman 14-07-2019 21:20

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They didn't.

That's your interpretation of "major platforms", it's a press release and use of the term has no legal standing. If Sky want to be snide in their use of the term excluding Virgin Media from their definition then they absolutely can, and did.

Some of Sky's portfolio is on Virgin, however it was entirely predictable that they didn't mean Sky Atlantic was coming to Virgin Media.

If those terms had legal standing they'd have to remove that news release as misleading. If you were to email and ask for a correction they'd laugh you out of town.

OLD BOY 14-07-2019 21:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36002634)
They didn't.

That's your interpretation of "major platforms", it's a press release and use of the term has no legal standing. If Sky want to be snide in their use of the term excluding Virgin Media from their definition then they absolutely can, and did.

It was entirely predictable that they didn't mean Virgin Media.

Of course Virgin Media is a major platform! Black really is white in your head, isn't it?

A better argument would be that they didn't necessarily mean their complete portfolio, but it would be surprising that they have relented their exclusivity of SA on BT but not on Virgin Media.

Yet another possibility is that Sky were prepared to make the channel available at a price VM were not prepared to pay.

However, despite all of this, I am not sure I believe the information MB has been given, but we won't know anything for sure until there is an official announcement or it just suddenly appears. I still think it is likely that we will get Atlantic.

jfman 14-07-2019 21:31

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You can think Virgin is a major platform, I can agree, but that's utterly irrelevant to Sky's use of the term.

You read what you wanted to in their statement. Not what it actually said.

OLD BOY 14-07-2019 21:33

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36002636)
You can think Virgin is a major platform, I can agree, but that's utterly irrelevant to Sky's use of the term.

You read what you wanted to in their statement. Not what it actually said.

I read the words. You are trying to spin them. You are very good at that, I must say.

jfman 14-07-2019 21:41

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I'm not trying to spin them at all. You're interpreting it incorrectly to support what you think will happen.

I'm telling you there's enough leeway in the wording that it doesn't guarantee Sky Atlantic on Virgin. Not by a long shot.

Mythica 14-07-2019 21:55

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36002642)
I'm not trying to spin them at all. You're interpreting it incorrectly to support what you think will happen.

I'm telling you there's enough leeway in the wording that it doesn't guarantee Sky Atlantic on Virgin. Not by a long shot.

You can only really interpret it one way which is Virgin Media is a major platform. If Sky didn't mean that, that isn't Old Boys fault.

1andrew1 14-07-2019 21:57

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Does anyone have a link to the Sky press release about Atlantic that is being discussed here please?

jfman 14-07-2019 22:03

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Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36002647)
You can only really interpret it one way which is Virgin Media is a major platform. If Sky didn't mean that, that isn't Old Boys fault.

With a Sky press release as a Virgin Media customer I tend to frame it though a lens of "how am I likely to be disappointed by this?".

I've warned against the Atlantic coming to Virgin interpretation since they published it. The obvious question is why wasn't it added back then?

I don't buy the Game of Thrones argument, seven years in the number of folk subscribing on that basis will be miniscule. A three month Now TV pass would suffice, and for such a small number the revenue would be dwarfed by a wholesale deal to four million Virgin subscribers.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36002648)
Does anyone have a link to the Sky press release about Atlantic that is being discussed here please?

https://www.skygroup.sky/corporate/m...of-tv-channels

1andrew1 14-07-2019 22:36

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36002649)

Thanks. I think if we examine the wording "while also broadening the reach of Sky’s leading entertainment channel brands to all major Pay-TV services in the UK for the first time." then you and Old Boy are both right. I guess the crucial thing is that it doesn't state all of Sky's entertainment brands will be on all platforms.

Media Boy UK 15-07-2019 02:34

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Sky Media has reveal Christmas24 and True Christmas run from mid September until early January.

Media Boy HQ thinks True Christmas will start in Mid September but Movies 24 will start at an later date until early January 2020.

Also The BBC has won the broadcasting rights to UEFA Women's Euro 2021.

OLD BOY 15-07-2019 06:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36002642)
I'm not trying to spin them at all. You're interpreting it incorrectly to support what you think will happen.

I'm telling you there's enough leeway in the wording that it doesn't guarantee Sky Atlantic on Virgin. Not by a long shot.

If you don't consider Virgin Media to be a major pay-tv platform whereas BT is, perhaps you can explain this.

https://www.barb.co.uk/tv-landscape-...y-tv-platform/

It is beyond ridiculous to suggest that BT is a major pay-tv platform but Virgin Media is not when VM comes second in that list.

denphone 15-07-2019 07:33

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002669)
If you don't consider Virgin Media to be a major pay-tv platform whereas BT is, perhaps you can explain this.

https://www.barb.co.uk/tv-landscape-...y-tv-platform/

It is beyond ridiculous to suggest that BT is a major pay-tv platform but Virgin Media is not when VM comes second in that list.

Virgin Media is a major pay-tv platform end of.. But that still does not mean that it is going to get certain access to content/channels that BT have got because quite clearly it will not...

OLD BOY 15-07-2019 07:36

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36002672)
Virgin Media is a major pay-tv platform end of.. But that still does not mean that it is going to get certain access to content/channels that BT have got because quite clearly it will not...

Except that seems to make no sense in relation to the press release.

Anyway, we will know soon enough.

cheekyangus 15-07-2019 08:27

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Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36002664)
Sky Media has reveal Christmas24 and True Christmas run from mid September until early January.

Media Boy HQ thinks True Christmas will start in Mid September but Movies 24 will start at an later date until early January 2020.

Also The BBC has won the broadcasting rights to UEFA Women's Euro 2021.

This could just be the way you have written it MB, but True Christmas (aka True Movies the rest of the year) is a Sony channel. I'm assuming you didn't mean for it to read like Sky owned it and was releasing press releases for it. Sky only, as of the Comcast deal going through, owns Movies24 and Movies24+ (aka Christmas24/Christmas24+). I'm assuming you found two press releases from their respective owners and combined them into that one post.

jfman 15-07-2019 08:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002669)
If you don't consider Virgin Media to be a major pay-tv platform whereas BT is, perhaps you can explain this.

https://www.barb.co.uk/tv-landscape-...y-tv-platform/

It is beyond ridiculous to suggest that BT is a major pay-tv platform but Virgin Media is not when VM comes second in that list.

It doesn’t matter whether I think Virgin are a major TV platform or not (which I said above). Just as it doesn’t matter if you think so or not.

If Sky want to throw the term around and exclude Virgin there’s nothing stopping them from doing so. It has no legal or protected status.

denphone 15-07-2019 08:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002673)
Except that seems to make no sense in relation to the press release.

Anyway, we will know soon enough.

The press release was poorly worded in parts of it IMO.

SonicMaster 15-07-2019 08:38

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Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36002695)
This could just be the way you have written it MB, but True Christmas (aka True Movies the rest of the year) is a Sony channel. I'm assuming you didn't mean for it to read like Sky owned it and was releasing press releases for it. Sky only, as of the Comcast deal going through, owns Movies24 and Movies24+ (aka Christmas24/Christmas24+). I'm assuming you found two press releases from their respective owners and combined them into that one post.

No, he just read it here on the Sky Media website:

https://www.skymedia.co.uk/opportuni...s-movies-2019/

cheekyangus 15-07-2019 09:11

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Originally Posted by SonicMaster (Post 36002699)
No, he just read it here on the Sky Media website:

https://www.skymedia.co.uk/opportuni...s-movies-2019/

Ah, I hadn't realised that Sky Media was the name of their Ad Sales House (I'd thought that was called something else). That makes much more sense as I know they act for other broadcasters.

Thanks SonicMaster. :)

OLD BOY 15-07-2019 09:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36002697)
It doesn’t matter whether I think Virgin are a major TV platform or not (which I said above). Just as it doesn’t matter if you think so or not.

If Sky want to throw the term around and exclude Virgin there’s nothing stopping them from doing so. It has no legal or protected status.

It matters because it is the second biggest pay tv platform in the UK. Why you are arguing the toss about this eludes me, but I accept you are just argumentative. Hey-ho.

jfman 15-07-2019 10:44

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002702)
It matters because it is the second biggest pay tv platform in the UK. Why you are arguing the toss about this eludes me, but I accept you are just argumentative. Hey-ho.

It's you who is being argumentative because you are consistently ignoring my point.

You cannot bind Sky to your definition of major platform. If Sky choose to be dismissive of Virgin in a press release they're entitled to do so. All that happens is they look petty and a handful of members of this forum get upset.

Had they used the term in an advert the ASA could regulate its usage. However they didn't.

Maggy 15-07-2019 10:49

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This is the Coming Soon to Virgin TV thread and some recent posts have nothing to do with the topic. So keep to topic please or open your own thread.

Horizon 15-07-2019 14:24

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Regarding the possible rebranding of Sky's channels by Comcast to NBC, i think this all depends on what they call their global streamer in the coming months.

My money is on it being called Sky, but Comcast also stated that they'd roll out NowTV globally, so that might be "the" global streamer too. If that does happen, then I would expect the Sky channels to take on the NBC/Universal branding.

jfman 15-07-2019 19:52

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Do we really expect the whole company to ditch recognised branding throughout the world to standardise it in a short space of time?

denphone 15-07-2019 19:55

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36002805)
Do we really expect the whole company to ditch recognised branding throughout the world to standardise it in a short space of time?

Not in my view..

1andrew1 15-07-2019 20:05

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36002715)
Had they used the term in an advert the ASA could regulate its usage. However they didn't.

Websites are regulated by the ASA, so maybe someone who feels Sky are wrong can raise it?
https://www.asa.org.uk/news/regulati...vertising.html

jfman 15-07-2019 20:08

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36002811)
Websites are regulated by the ASA, so maybe someone who feels Sky are wrong can raise it?
https://www.asa.org.uk/news/regulati...vertising.html

We've been asked to move the conversation on, seeing as Sky Atlantic isn't Coming Soon to Virgin TV. Although I suspect the ASA remit doesn't extend to corporate press releases.

muppetman11 15-07-2019 20:15

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36002805)
Do we really expect the whole company to ditch recognised branding throughout the world to standardise it in a short space of time?

No not a chance Sky Sports is a well recognised brand across Europe and is going nowhere anytime soon.

Horizon 16-07-2019 10:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36002805)
Do we really expect the whole company to ditch recognised branding throughout the world to standardise it in a short space of time?

Comcast paid a lot of money for Sky, but I don't know how far they plan to extend that brand further, especially as the Sky brand is also used by other former Murdoch companies, especially in India, which Comcast does not control.

It also depends on how quickly Comcast plan to turn Sky from a satellite tv company into a IPTV company and/or global streamer.

Saul's Grandad 16-07-2019 15:56

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
I've just come across this - Amazon Prime should be available on your V6 box from next Monday (22nd)
https://www.virginmedia.com/virgin-t...e-on-virgin-tv

denphone 16-07-2019 16:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul's Grandad (Post 36002882)
I've just come across this - Amazon Prime should be available on your V6 box from next Monday (22nd)
https://www.virginmedia.com/virgin-t...e-on-virgin-tv

Excellent.:tu:

StopThePigeon 16-07-2019 17:04

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Is Amazon Prime a V6 only feature, or is it also available on the standard Tivo?

denphone 16-07-2019 17:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by StopThePigeon (Post 36002891)
Is Amazon Prime a V6 only feature, or is it also available on the standard Tivo?

Amazon Prime is a V6 only feature.

StopThePigeon 16-07-2019 17:17

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Thanks, Den - I think...
I need to weigh-up any benefit of upgrading to V6 - losing all my Tivo recordings, versus gaining the Amazon Prime feature (which I can access via a Fire stick).

denphone 16-07-2019 17:21

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Sadly TV recordings cannot be transfered to a V6 as you say although Series Links , Thumb ratings and Auto record Wishlists can.

https://www.virginmedia.com/help/vir...to-another-box

Legendkiller2k 16-07-2019 17:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by StopThePigeon (Post 36002891)
Is Amazon Prime a V6 only feature, or is it also available on the standard Tivo?

If you really want it you can get the 4k amazon fire sticks for £24.99 at moment on Amazon.

spiderplant 16-07-2019 17:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by StopThePigeon (Post 36002893)
I need to weigh-up any benefit of upgrading to V6 - losing all my Tivo recordings.

You could get the V6 as an extra box, and keep the TiVo. If you connect the TiVo by Ethernet to your hub, you'd even be able to watch the recordings via your V6

OLD BOY 16-07-2019 18:21

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul's Grandad (Post 36002882)
I've just come across this - Amazon Prime should be available on your V6 box from next Monday (22nd)
https://www.virginmedia.com/virgin-t...e-on-virgin-tv

That's great news, thank you for this!

StopThePigeon 16-07-2019 19:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36002900)
You could get the V6 as an extra box, and keep the TiVo. If you connect the TiVo by Ethernet to your hub, you'd even be able to watch the recordings via your V6

Thanks SP - a roadmap to advance from Tivo to V6.

OLD BOY 16-07-2019 20:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by StopThePigeon (Post 36002893)
Thanks, Den - I think...
I need to weigh-up any benefit of upgrading to V6 - losing all my Tivo recordings, versus gaining the Amazon Prime feature (which I can access via a Fire stick).

I made a list of my 'must see' recordings and when I changed to my V6, I established alternative ways to see them. Some were available by VOD, some by way of Netflix or Amazon, and others I simply recorded from repeat showings. I got them all in the end!

OLD BOY 17-07-2019 07:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36002812)
We've been asked to move the conversation on, seeing as Sky Atlantic isn't Coming Soon to Virgin TV. Although I suspect the ASA remit doesn't extend to corporate press releases.

Just like last March you were adamant that Prime was not coming to VM and there was absolutely no reason why VM would offer it on the V6. You will be proved wrong again, jfman.

jfman 17-07-2019 08:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002973)
Just like last March you were adamant that Prime was not coming to VM and there was absolutely no reason why VM would offer it on the V6. You will be proved wrong again, jfman.

Won't linear television be gone by the next Sky basics contact? Make your mind up...

Happy to be proven wrong in Prime, although it remains to be seen if they integrate it into their packages or not.

Now I can watch Prime on my Smart TV, Chromecast, Fire Stick, PlayStation 4, iPad, Android phone or on my V6.

Maybe I'm not one of these old folk that rely on TV companies to make choices on what apps I can have :confused:

OLD BOY 17-07-2019 08:23

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36002975)
Won't linear television be gone by the next Sky basics contact? Make your mind up...

Happy to be proven wrong in Prime, although it remains to be seen if they integrate it into their packages or not.

Now I can watch Prime on my Smart TV, Chromecast, Fire Stick, PlayStation 4, iPad, Android phone or on my V6.

Maybe I'm not one of these old folk that rely on TV companies to make choices on what apps I can have :confused:

I don't understand your first point. I am talking about the Sky carriage contract that is being implemented any time now. We do not know the duration of that contract. Might be 3, 5 or 10 years, who knows, but I am reasonably confident that Sky's linear channels will still be around in 10 years, although their days may be numbered by then.

I don't believe that Prime will be integrated into Virgin's packages just yet, but when there are more streaming services available, I think they will evetually do so. Sky have already integrated Netflix into their packages by offering it with Sky Box Sets at a discount. I appreciate that you can watch Prime in a variety of ways, but my point all along has been that once launched on Virgin, you will be able to bookmark all shows on your watch list in 'My Shows' on the Virgin menu. It is inconvenient and disjointed to have separate watch lists on each separate service. Much better and efficient to have them all in one place.

I would not want anyone to make choices on what streaming apps I can access either. What I do want is for Sky, Virgin Media and BT to offer the full range of streaming services so that we can make our choices without having to get a multitude of sticks and boxes just to watch them.

denphone 17-07-2019 08:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36002975)
Won't linear television be gone by the next Sky basics contact? Make your mind up...

We both know what he said but as with all chameleons it changes one day to the next.;)

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002980)
I am talking about the Sky carriage contract that is being implemented any time now. We do not know the duration of that contract. Might be 3, 5 or 10 years, who knows, but I am reasonably confident that Sky's linear channels will still be around in 10 years, although their days may be numbered by then.

As ever several contradictions in the same post...

jfman 17-07-2019 08:40

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We are back to pay TV operators should give streamers a leg up. It's almost as if he knows many of the business models will be fledgling.

I'm going to predict we will see more follow the Eleven Sportdroute than the Amazon/Netflix one.

OLD BOY 17-07-2019 08:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36002982)
We both know what he said but as with all chameleons it changes one day to the next.;)

---------- Post added at 08:32 ---------- Previous post was at 08:30 ----------



As ever several contradictions in the same post...

Er, it will not be 2035 in 10 years, Den. What are you talking about? I haven't contradicted anything I've said before, so perhaps you should be clearer about what you are referring to.

japitts 17-07-2019 08:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36002900)
You could get the V6 as an extra box, and keep the TiVo. If you connect the TiVo by Ethernet to your hub, you'd even be able to watch the recordings via your V6

Technically this sounds like a good solution... I'm assuming this would be chargeable. If VM had, say, a 1month or 3month free period to cover the emptying of full-ish TiVo boxes, I wonder how many extra swapouts they'd get...

OLD BOY 17-07-2019 08:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36002986)
We are back to pay TV operators should give streamers a leg up. It's almost as if he knows many of the business models will be fledgling.

I'm going to predict we will see more follow the Eleven Sportdroute than the Amazon/Netflix one.

I don't think the likes of Disney + need a leg up as you put it. They can manage very well on their own. We are talking about convenience for customers, which in turn will encourage those customers to stick with their provider to access TV.

When the linear channels finally depart our screens it will be the streamers that are left, so clearly this is the way to go.

jfman 17-07-2019 09:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36002992)
I don't think the likes of Disney + need a leg up as you put it. They can manage very well on their own. We are talking about convenience for customers, which in turn will encourage those customers to stick with their provider to access TV.

When the linear channels finally depart our screens it will be the streamers that are left, so clearly this is the way to go.

You still haven't actually explained how streaming is more convenient than the current range of options (including streaming and on demand services).

I'm sure Disney can manage but it's a finite marketplace as Eleven discovered. You don't know that people want (and will pay for) six or seven subscriptions.

OLD BOY 17-07-2019 13:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36002997)
You still haven't actually explained how streaming is more convenient than the current range of options (including streaming and on demand services).

I'm sure Disney can manage but it's a finite marketplace as Eleven discovered. You don't know that people want (and will pay for) six or seven subscriptions.

I didn't know I had to. Seems obvious to me, but perhaps you can explain to me what you mean more precisely by your question. Clearly there is a subtlty behind it that I have missed.

I think people will be willing to pay what they pay now, at the expense of linear pay TV.

jfman 17-07-2019 13:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003026)
I didn't know I had to. Seems obvious to me, but perhaps you can explain to me what you mean more precisely by your question. Clearly there is a subtlty behind it that I have missed.

I think people will be willing to pay what they pay now, at the expense of linear pay TV.

Is your arrogant stance that less choice of delivery methods = more convenient? Wow.

OLD BOY 17-07-2019 13:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36003027)
Is your arrogant stance that less choice of delivery methods = more convenient? Wow.

Where have I ever said I want less choice? You are a fine one to talk about arrogance, by the way, turning everything on its head and postulating that it's all about your upside down view of everything.

Reminder: it was you that poured scorn on the likelihood of Amazon Prime coming to Virgin Media, and your protestations were conveyed with as much confidence as your attitude towards Sky Atlantic and Amazon carrying the Premier League.

I don't buy it. I don't buy it at all, and you will be proved wrong.

jfman 17-07-2019 13:29

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You can not buy it all you like, that doesn't change the reality.

The Amazon on V6 thing doesn't change much to be honest. I gave an opinion on it and it went the other way. I don't have the strength of feeling you seem to think I do.

Raider999 17-07-2019 13:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003026)
I didn't know I had to. Seems obvious to me, but perhaps you can explain to me what you mean more precisely by your question. Clearly there is a subtlty behind it that I have missed.

I think people will be willing to pay what they pay now, at the expense of linear pay TV.


I would also like to know how having streaming only will be better than the current offering (linear tv with a few streaming options)?

By your own admission streaming sports is not easy or viable at present (and that you don't watch sport), therefore linear channels will remain, if only for sport, in the forseeable future.

OLD BOY 17-07-2019 14:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 36003031)
I would also like to know how having streaming only will be better than the current offering (linear tv with a few streaming options)?

By your own admission streaming sports is not easy or viable at present (and that you don't watch sport), therefore linear channels will remain, if only for sport, in the forseeable future.

Because you can go straight to the programme you want without waiting for the scheduled time. If you have missed the linear spot, you can still see it via on demand.

As far as sport is concerned, it is true that there are problems to be overcome, but we are getting there, and the latency problems will be resolved soon - the BBC has already worked out how. We will see just how close we are when Amazon stream the football in December.

jfman 17-07-2019 15:05

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You do know people can do all that right now in addition to timeshifting and live.

Both of those don't require internet connections if there is an internet outage in your area. Or if the internet is just crap where you are. Or you are content with ADSL2+.

OLD BOY 17-07-2019 16:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36003046)
You do know people can do all that right now in addition to timeshifting and live.

Both of those don't require internet connections if there is an internet outage in your area. Or if the internet is just crap where you are. Or you are content with ADSL2+.

Yes, they can do both now. However, habits are changing and there is likely to come a point where linear channels are viewed as an unnecessary expense. That is all I am saying.

jfman 17-07-2019 16:30

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We've done this one. Costs buttons to maintain a linear presence if you own the content anyway.

OLD BOY 17-07-2019 16:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36003052)
We've done this one. Costs buttons to maintain a linear presence if you own the content anyway.

Yes, but you still have the bother of organising the schedules, filling the ads at specific slots, continuity announcements and so forth. You also have to pay for EPG slots, etc.

Why bother when you can just upload the lot?

Media Boy UK 17-07-2019 16:45

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We found some HD Channels did move to an new steam last night.

Animal Planet HD
More4 HD
ZooMoo HD
Sky Thriller HD
Sky Action HD
Sky Sports Football HD
SONY MAX HD

You will have to re-Add them to your Favourites.

jfman 17-07-2019 17:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003053)
Yes, but you still have the bother of organising the schedules, filling the ads at specific slots, continuity announcements and so forth. You also have to pay for EPG slots, etc.

Why bother when you can just upload the lot?

No bother at all as long as you have eyeballs looking at it, people tweeting about it and tabloids talking about it.

Take Love Island for example. I’m going to guess it’s so far beneath you I’ll make a synopsis available for the forum. The “plebs” seem to enjoy watching fellow semi attractive plebs of limited intelligence romancing, occasionally folk get voted off, but they all aspire to turn up to local nightclubs in your local towns/villages for small appearance fees.

Anyway, the mass interest in it results in people engaging with each other in real life the following morning to discuss it, at coffee machines, break out areas, on trains and in other public places. All in all it’s a bit of a menace really.

My point being it doesn’t work being dumped online at a certain time as a series. Or even nightly - tens of thousands of people engage on Twitter in a way they couldn’t unless they all hit play at the exact same time.

An EPG slot costs about 40 grand does it not? Considering you’re pushing Amazon into a £5bn TV deal with no plan to make a profit I think you can give me a pass on that one.

Media Boy UK 17-07-2019 17:29

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
One year old this weekend:

July 21st - Virgin Media UK added new channels to network.
July 22nd - Virgin Media UK drop UKTV Channels but their relaunch on August 11th.

OLD BOY 17-07-2019 19:06

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36003030)
You can not buy it all you like, that doesn't change the reality.

The Amazon on V6 thing doesn't change much to be honest. I gave an opinion on it and it went the other way. I don't have the strength of feeling you seem to think I do.

Amazon on the V6 proves that however much you argue the economics of it all don't allow it, you can be proved very wrong.

Let's watch this space and see if it happens again soon! :D

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36003066)
No bother at all as long as you have eyeballs looking at it, people tweeting about it and tabloids talking about it.

Take Love Island for example. I’m going to guess it’s so far beneath you I’ll make a synopsis available for the forum. The “plebs” seem to enjoy watching fellow semi attractive plebs of limited intelligence romancing, occasionally folk get voted off, but they all aspire to turn up to local nightclubs in your local towns/villages for small appearance fees.

Anyway, the mass interest in it results in people engaging with each other in real life the following morning to discuss it, at coffee machines, break out areas, on trains and in other public places. All in all it’s a bit of a menace really.

My point being it doesn’t work being dumped online at a certain time as a series. Or even nightly - tens of thousands of people engage on Twitter in a way they couldn’t unless they all hit play at the exact same time.

An EPG slot costs about 40 grand does it not? Considering you’re pushing Amazon into a £5bn TV deal with no plan to make a profit I think you can give me a pass on that one.

Well, that's £40 grand that can be saved straight away then....Next!

jfman 17-07-2019 19:10

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2019)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36003078)
Amazon on the V6 proves that however much you argue the economics of it all don't allow it, you can be proved very wrong.

Let's watch this space and see if it happens again soon! :D

What's an Amazon app on the V6 got to do with the economic viability (or otherwise?) of a streaming platform? An Amazon app on Virgin was literally a 50/50 guess. Unless Virgin start funding it, or Amazon start doing promos for Virgin customers, it's an economic zero net effect.

It's a quick win for Virgin's PR team to say you can watch all the football on a V6 box at Christmas*.

*seperate subscription to Amazon Prime required.

Quote:

Well, that's £40 grand that can be saved straight away then....Next!
And lose access to up to 11 million set top boxes. I can see why you aren't good at this economics thing.


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