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Andrew my dear chap. Apparently you move in circles which bring you into contact with the underlings of Government. I'm sure you can do much better than asking me for an example :p:

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So that’s a ‘no’, then...;)

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Opinion polls are never a great barometer of whatever transpires in the future.;)

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Trump goes from TV to President.

Obama goes from President to Netflix :D.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-n...ion-agreement/

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I wonder if, in the future, he will eventually be producing them from a prison cell?

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Nope

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That's a bit harsh - Trump will get pardoned by Pence, like Ford did to Nixon.

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Why does Trump needed to be pardoned??? Has anybody found him guilty of anything? If they have, I must have missed it.

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It was replying to your comment which stated So I replied in the future tense, not the present...;)

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Strange as PB was referring to Obama.

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That's the joke.

Anyway Obama isn't going to prison.

However we could have Obama, Trump and Clinton all in prison. That would make a good Netflix comedy.

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New to Netflix, Cellmates

Three people with remarkably different personalities and traits are held together in a confined space with hilarious consequences

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Maybe the real impeachment is the friends they made along the way?

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Your future tensing is way off. :dozey:

As for Nixon, he only resigned because he lost support from his own party and supporters. Trump still has his party rallying behind him and his base support remains rock solid, hence there will be a civil war, if an attempt is made to remove him from office when no crime was ever committed and was just invented and made up by his pathetic and cheating ******* opponent(s) (HC and the DNC, the Fake Dossier payers).

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Exactly... :)

No name was specified, so I "misunderstood" who was being referred to.

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If Obama had any hand in ordering illegal spying in the Trump campaign, if Obama obstructed justice by ordering the FBI to stand down with Hillary Clinton email investigation, or ordered the DOJ/FBI to go after Trump when there was no just cause, he is not immune from being indicted and convicted into a Federal Penitentiary.

Bollocks, you knew exactly who was referring to, so even if it was a joke, it wasn't amusing, must have forgot to laugh, try harder next time. :rolleyes:

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Which is why "misunderstood" is in quotes, to show I didn't really, but was making a joke.

Everyone's sense of humour seems to be absent tonight....

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I was amused if that's any consolation. :D

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Yes and if he did loads of other illegal things for which there is no evidence, other than Trump tweeting accusations, then he could be trouble. He might be pushing old ladies in front of buses for all I know.

The problem here is that America isn't a dictatorship yet and Trump can't just say something and see someone in prison.

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I agree with that. But Hugh's assumption is Trump is clearly guilty before being proven otherwise.

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Hugh was joking. ;)

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NK meeting cancelled, at least for now.

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I wonder if they'll get a refund for these?

https://hillreporter.com/donald-trum...m-jong-un-2382

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1527174561

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Oh, dear. Bang goes Trump's peace prize, then.

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Ah, welcome to CF Current Affairs, where a sense of humour is not required and positively discouraged ;)

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Thought I'd never say this, but...my thoughts exactly!

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I don't think he was ever remotely close tbh. Not like that nice President Obama :)

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It's fine, they hand them out before you do potentially anything anyway and don't revoke them when you actually don't, just ask President Obama.

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What did that nice Obama do to deserve his ?

Obama got his before he did anything and then he still didn't do anything in all the 8 years to deserve his at all-Fact.

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Nope, I don't or I wouldn't be troubling you with this question.

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He wasn't Gerorge W Bush and after the years of illegal wars, millions dead and untold destruction many would say that was reason enough.

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The Bush Presidency you describe highlights an interesting comparison with Trump in which which Trump might come out on top.

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No he won't.

Day by day, Trump's Presidency is making George W Bush look better and better:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/gdpr-...=.0a2cce87a83c

(Cookie based you'll have to select to view it for free on that).

http://www.kansascity.com/opinion/op...211420104.html

(Those are just articles from this month).

If you thought Obama's presidency was good, then Trump is just on steroids in comparison.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/05/...-bushs-legacy/

(Some of these articles by Roxanne / SE Cupp have been put in different places btw so excuse the repeats).

This though, is just raw polling data:

http://thehill.com/homenews/news/357...-george-w-bush

Trump isn't fit to be mentioned in the same breathe as Bush.

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True, she should have been indicted long ago but her entitlement syndrome was so large that even Biden got out of the way. If Obama was so worried about his legacy he really should have let justice / the FBI eat her.

Not quite, he has constitutional authority to fire the head of the FBI, if it is with cause ; not without. He hasn't been thrown an obstruction charge just yet - just a SC that has been empaneled. He even stated in his letter that Comey told him 3 times that he had not been under investigation but whether he was or not, the firing still has to have merit. It cannot be without cause. Irregardless of whether he was or was nor under investigation the investigation itself would not automatically close if he fired the guy heading it. Charging up with an obstruction of justice charge is probably just to teach the person a lesson. Technically his administration was under investigation, the members in his cabinet have and will continue to be indicted etc etc so doing the bidding on behalf of his attorney (who is almost certainly bound to be indicted) and firing the FBI director absolutely can carry an obstruction charge. His role in the election is being investigated, his campaign is (and whether or not it colluded with the Russians) so for him to fire Comey without cause is a huge problem. Ironically, he blamed Comey's treatment of Hillary as the reason...then changed his mind several days later.

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America is putting tariffs on steel which probably will impact our steel industrial ainde they’re a big customer for us.

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I am not really sure why he's done this. Why couldn't he just apply a quota on the offending Chinese imports, which is where the root cause of the problem lies?

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Because China doesn't sell much steel to America, they sell to everyone else which drives the price down overall

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World Trade rules prohibit you from doing this and many other things.

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Liam Fox has said we are ready to retaliate and the EU is getting ready to do so as well so time to stock up on any American stuff you wanna buy!

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He's done because it'll appeal to the morons that slavishly follow him. The fact that it will backfire is tomorrow's problem, and he can always move the agenda on as his supporters have a very short attention span and only remember the last Tweet.....

If we are looking to Trump for a good deal post Brexit, we need to think again or hope there's a new President by then.

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Post-Customs Union will be 2025 from what I've been reading so doubtless Trump will be back on reality TV by then.

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2025 ! Don't tell the Daily Fail Brexiters they'll spontaneously combust, with a bit of luck ;) !

Yes they think they run the world Dam. I hope it DOESNT affect you guys too much :(

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- http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44337686

May 'disappointed'?! Well that's going to terrify the Donald. She should cancel his visit and triple tax on golf courses.

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Lol.
In all fairness, this dispute will probably blow over in a few weeks, hopefully no more than a storm in a teacup.

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It was something that I have asked for ages and ages now - how are two nationalist entities ever going to manage to strike a productive FTA? Neither side is interested in Multi latteralism and all Trump is interested in is renegotiating current agreements for the benefit of the US...so even existing deals get bent in favor of the shape of the US.

So my basic question is, what makes Liam Fox think that he will get any better a deal with, to begin with?

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Only until Trump decides to renege on it and start seeking even more attention. It'll all be fine and then Trump will basically turn around and say "right, now I am going to reimpose those tariffs unless...." which is why you can't negotiate with a nationalist. No deal will ever be enough, they will just keep coming back for more. Every time. (Look at Sturgeon - just as soon as AS lost the last referendum she started talking about the next one even though they agreed that it was a once in a lifetime issue. They'll just keep coming back for more, every single time).

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On that note...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...mpression=true I thought it was all about free-market economics?

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Oddly enough this idea has been floating around a while. Which is to use the British taxpayers to recapitalize insurance companies that have been struggling since Obamacare.

The insurance companies (like Aetna) have seen massive losses so the drugs made by drug companies (like Pfeizer) are more and more expensive for US companies to buy for patients. Reimbursement rates / especially on Medicaid are under dispute so US drug companies could do with market capitalization - at the expense of the UK taxpayer.

So, for example, the cost of a drug for Cystic Fibrosis treatment (Ivacaftor combined with lumacaftor) is somewhere in the region of 100K per year and the NHS refuses to pay for it:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43849586

Trump will want the NHS to pay for it and undo some of the damage that Obamacare caused the drug and insurance companies.

So in essence, the British taxpayer could re-capitalize the likes of Vertex pharma. The drug is also already unavailable through private insurance in Holland but he will not pressure the Dutch into renegotiating a FTA agreement (EU wide) but he can put pressure on the Brits as we are in the position of weakness / the ones begging here.

I have long long said that as a belief (core) of nationalized socialism Trump would invariably move towards Nazism / UHC / hatred of Israel etc etc. When the failure to repeal Obamacare came about it was no great surprise to me but credit to him, he repealed the individual mandate and his support for Israel has been astonishingly good. (Recognition of Jerusalem as capital etc).

He can take a more traditionally strong nationalistic approach because he found his stooge in May and he is going to take her for all it is worth and the British taxpayer will be on the hook.

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Hopefully, a Brexiters will reflect upon your wise words.

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His lawyers don’t count as "legal scholars" - the DoJ opinion given to President Nixon in August 1974 stated https://www.justice.gov/file/20856/download

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Genius strikes again, making things up and not checking actual fasts yet again.

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If he is going to preemptively pardon himself and his allies then he should just do it already and kill the investigation or he should keep quiet and stop mouthing off on Twitter.

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He is right about one thing - the witch hunt does need killing, it's been a flawed investigation from the beginning, started by bent officials in the FBI. The same bent officials who did a piss poor and shabby job investigating Hillary Clinton illegal use of private email server because they wanted her path cleared to win the Presidency, it's fantastic that never happened even after all that bloody cheating that appears to have been done for her.

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Trump talks about the investigation more than Mueller does. As I said he should either do it or leave it. Fire Mueller, pardon anyone who might be implicated as well as those already indicted and face any consequences or let it finish.

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Trump would prefer to play the victim card as this appeals to his electorate. He appeals to the "I'm a victim of globalisation" "The mainstream media ignores the white working class male as it's liberal" electorate. Anything which aligns him to a victim-of-outside-forces like his constituents will work to his advantage.

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That would almost certainly warrant obstruction of charges charges (irregardless of whether he is a target of the investigation or not) so he won't. He has a big ole mouth but when it comes to action that is all he ever is - all mouth.

Even with a GOP majority he would be worried that the House would almost have to file articles of impeachment / or at least let Goodlatte start committee hearings. Even as a retiring congressman (not seeking re-election anyway) he would not try and stonewall that.

In the mean time, Manafort is now is now in even more trouble (witness tampering):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.f774ae443b70

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Statement - the President says he is above the law, the President’s lawyers say he is above the law, previous DoJ opinion on a previous President (Nixon) say he is not above the law, Starr office memo says previous President (Clinton) is not above the law. The President’s lawyer hypothesises on live TV that the President could have shot Comey (or anyone else, by implication) and not be prosecuted.

Reply - WHAT ABOUT HILARY!!!!

The ‘flawed’ investigation was started by a Republican Attorney-General appointed by Trump, led by a Special Counsel who is a life-long Republican (and who was appointed as a previous Head of the FBI by a Republican President) and is overseen by a Trump-appointed Deputy Attorney-General - so biased... :rolleyes:

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Miss the obvious as always Hugh. That Special Counsel appoints 13 Democrats donors or Democrat affiliates to assist in their efforts to find Russian collusion from Trump camp, only the Collusion was carried out by their own pathetic party and Hillary with them funding the Dossier, information obtained from Russian sources!!!

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Trump speak.
Fake news = News that points out unfavourable aspects of Trump and his presidency.
Biased investigation = An investigation into the potential unlawful activities of Trump's campaign and has successful outcomes even before it is finally completed.

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Mueller himself is a Republican who was appointed by another Republican after the collapse of the FBI investigation heading by another Republican.

Party affiliation in the US is a lot looser than it is here too. Just because someone is a registered Democrat or Republican doesn't mean they're uncontrollably partisan. Most of the country is not like that. The paranoid mindset of Trump and his supporters, a mindset that divides the world into good (Republican) and evil (Democrat), blinds them to that fact.

Nothing sums that up more than the fact whenever he meets any opposition from the institutions that are meant to act as a check against the executive that it's construed as illegitimate and sinister. All opposition to Trump is somehow corrupt it seems, any investigation into his allies should be stopped.

It's the language of tinpot dictators: Lock up the rivals, pardon the allies.

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It's not always about Hilary.

Trump lies again and lives in cloud cuckooland, where he is right or it's all fake news or everyone is corrupt because they disagree with him or have a different view.

He maybe the President, but he is NOT above the law.

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:clap:

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I never said he was FFS and neither did he, so wind your ‘For her’ neck in. :rolleyes:

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I'll do nothing of the sort.

He tweeted saying he can commit a crime and then pardon himself.

If that's not saying he is above the law then I don't know what is. Even though he is wrong.

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You are wrong.

Where did he specifically tweet he can commit a crime and then pardon himself?

Can’t find that tweet, so as I suggested with the neck, wind it in.

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So in your opinion, what did he say?
Don't tell me what to do. I have every right to post my freely and voice ny opinion.

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I managed to find the tweet in question Mick.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...922147841?s=20
Think you are playing with words, the meaning is clear, he thinks he is above the law.
You are rather proving Stephen's point about Trump supporters.
However I'll 'go and wind my neck in too', if you like ;)

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You see this is where yet again, you see things that are not being said - it does not say "He can commit a crime and then pardon himself". He did NOT specifically say that whatsoever, typical of left leaning folk and the pathetic Anti-Trump press and haters, making shit up as usual. :rolleyes:

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Again you're seeing things NOT there. I said "Wind your neck in", that is NOT telling you not to post your views, nor would I do that. "Wind your neck in" is a term associated with being told to calm it, "pipe down" with the "excitement" or over analysis especially when what you are expressing is most certainly incorrect and ridiculous.

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Trump said he could pardon himself, but a pardon can only be issued for someone who has been found guilty of something, so he is saying he is above the law.

His lawyer, Guliani, stated on a TV programme on Sunday that Trump could shoot Comey and not be indicted whilst serving as President.

Do you think any President (or anyone) should be above the law, and be allowed to pardon themselves for crimes they’ve been found guilty of?

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I think Rudy is losing his ability to make the case for a winning argument - he seems to be saying "no matter what the President does, he cannot be indited" but he has a terrible way of saying it.

He is correct in this.

Trump cannot then be charged with anything and the only way for him to be removed from office or be found guilty of anything, is through impeachment.

Under which grounds he cannot pardon himself:

https://www.heritage.org/constitutio...9/pardon-power

I don't even agree with this interpretation though, the constitution clearly states:

Article II section 2:

If the President cannot be indicted and the IC statute has expired the only way to charge / indict a sitting President is an article of Impeachment, which he cannot be involved in the pardon of.

He is simply wrong and Giuliani makes it worse for Trump, every single day by saying that the President cannot be indicted - he is slowly whittling down any other option to charge / indict him other than impeachment, which in stark black and white / no uncertain terms, removes the ability to pardon.

By Giuliani's definition Trump can neither be indicted nor pardon himself as the only proceeding that can go up against him is the process of impeachment, which Trump cannot meddle with.

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I think its time everyone in this topic took a deep breath and stopped falling out with each other.

I'll be more than happy to close this if arguments persist.

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No he is not saying he is above the law - stop putting words in to a sentence that does NOT exist. No where in a tweet has he said, "he can commit a crime and pardon himself", he said he has the power to pardon himself, but has no intention because he's done nothing wrong, which he has not, as no evidence has been found, plenty of evidence exists regarding his opponent potentially breaking some elections laws with her and the DNC funding the Russian sourced Dossier, a fact you keep conveniently forgetting. - Trump probably does as per the Constitution, have the power to pardon himself, the text in the constitution is ambiguous, he cannot pardon himself from an impeachment, but an indictment is not the same as impeachment.

As for you asking if anyone should be above the law - think you're forgetting our Head of State, her Majesty, The Queen, in this country, is above the law.

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Do you think she should be?

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But to be given a Presidential Pardon, someone has to have been found guilty of a Federal crime, so the only time Trump could pardon himself would be if he had been found guilty of a Federal crime...

If Trump isn’t going to pardon himself because he won’t need to pardon himself, why say he could in the first place?

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It's Trump being Trump, he's a player and he is using twitter as a tool, to play others with and it's working. He's clearly pissed off with the never ending "Witch Hunt" and to coin his phrase the "Fake News Media".

BREAKING: Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell cancels Senate's August recess due to "the historic obstruction by Senate Democrats of the president’s nominees, and the goal of passing appropriations bills prior to the end of the fiscal year."

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No, I do believe in the "Magna Carta" Charter that set out the following three main principles:

1) Noone is above the law including the King/Queen.
2) Right to fair trial
3) People have the right to representation, i.e in Parliament.

That said however, should the Queen go out and commit a crime today, she would not be arrested, but she could be forced out by an act of Parliament... She could turn up in person though while they are sitting in the Commons and attempt to dissolve parliament and attempt to take control of the country.

The last monarch to do this was King Charles I. The result was a civil war between Parliament and the Crown, he was tried and sentenced to death for treason against the people of England and beheaded in January 1649. What an era to be alive in back then. :erm:

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That would be my summary of this whole episode. I think he just seems to be acting very below par at the moment.

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The "never ending witch hunt" has been underway just more than a year, with the Special Counsel being appointed in May 2017.

The Nixon investigation (Watergate) took from June 17 1972 (when 5 men were arrested trying to bug the DNC HQ at the Watergate) until August 8 1974 when Nixon resigned (over two years)

The House Clinton Benghazi hearings were initiated May 8 2014 (following previous House and Senate Committee hearings the previous year), with the final Committee Report published December 7 2016 (two and a half years)

The Whitewater Special Counsel was appointed January 20 1994, and the report was issued (the Starr Report) September 1998 (four and three quarters year later).
Just over one year is not very long in comparison to previous investigations.

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Agreed. I think Trump has fooled many into thinking it's gone on for so long because he's always mentioning it.
If he let the investigation go on without constant sniping, we'd all have forgotten about it by now, bar the odd house arrest.

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Actually the Witch hunt started 3 years ago, when they (The Obama DOJ) put spies in Trump campaign. The funding of the dossier by HRC and DNC happened in 2016.

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I know this keeps getting said but you are simply not telling the truth when you say the 'Obama DOJ' put spies in Trump's campaign. Undercover FBI agents spoke to people that were working in Trump's campaign that were targets of an investigation - some of whom were subsequently indicted - but Obama did not order the Justice department to put people into Trump's actual campaign.

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That's not necessarily true, we got two "Rogue agents, former lovers" texting each other saying "President Obama wants to know everything they were doing"... That's the same Obama who in 2016, had explicitly stated on national tv that "I don't talk to the FBI on pending cases, period, ever."

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Meh he also said that he had no clue about Hillary's server while he had corresponded messages with her about information he later deemed to be retrospectively classified, to her e-mail address at her domain. Either wreaks of incompetence or he is a liar.

The Strzok / Page affair was one thing (I suppose inter-office relationship ethics are something that I have no desire to get into) but yeah, their texts could have screwed up the entire counsel due to stupidity due to their nature.

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You would be surprised - my theory is that one day Rudy is going to turn around and tell Trump "sorry I made you squirm / everything worse, but when I said that I wanted to be Secretary of State..."

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More to the problem (for Trump) though here, is that Rudy has all but ruled out any other way for holding Trump to account other than Impeachment, at which point pardoning is thrown out of the window.

If he is acquitted (by being impeached and then put on trial by the Senate) then he does not need to pardon himself (unless like with Clinton he is later prosecuted once leaving office as DJ does not apply) and if he is convicted, then he would expelled from office (as punishment) and would no longer have the power to pardon himself.

He can't do it through the period / tenure of the trial or process of articles being filed / impeachment hearings. OOLC have said in the past that it would warrant a secondary wrap of OOJ charges almost instantaneously.

Rudy has all but guaranteed that Trump can not even claim to pardon his way out of this, by (correctly) asserting that he cannot be charged with a crime while sitting as President.

With friends like Rudy who needs.....(you get the idea).

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Yup, with a Republican President / AG etc. This is all Republican through and through and even though some are the staff lower down are Democrats they all answer to Republicans. This though, has its pitfalls and unfortunately falls into Trump's narrative. (Will get to that below).

That also (imo) speaks the preposterous nature of British stiff upper lipped nonsense. Just because someone is a member of the LP does not mean that as a judge he or she cannot independently look at case law or a case at all, involving a corporate dispute with workers.

Britain is horrible at this - female nurses for female patients (upon request) - as if every guy is some kind of pervert first, medical practitioner second. The comfort of one cannot be at the discrimination of another.

Do you remember the case where a police officer was marched out of his station and suspended following revelations that his name appeared on a BNP mailing list? He lost his badge and the whole thing was over an accident but even if he was actually on the list (which he wasn't) the BNP was not outlawed as a party so if he chose to become a member I am not sure what stopped him.

All female candidate selection committees...just today PwC are announcing that all male boards are coming to an end. Not that they only recruit male candidates but women need to become quotas, to sit on the board. What a joke.

The reason that this is different in the US per voting stipulations is that you have to be registered to vote. That means that in order to vote you need to rely on registering with a major party - that does all the leg work for you.

Then again, they don't have the government regulating every part of their life for you the way they take care of everything for you here - even getting you to the ballot box, registration, etc etc. It is dreadful - ethics and oversight is done with integrity there. So if anyone saw a need to recuse (like McCabe), they would.

So take the Supremes. We would rely on them to adjudicate the most important cases, yet we can't trust them to recuse if there is a conflict of interest?

Even more so, if any single Republican is opposed to him the person in question is just a "RINO" / member of the establishment / media darling, etc etc.

And then they will turn on their own guy and it will border on the preposterous (if he or she doesn't do as he or she is supposed to, or win). So we all know what happened to Sessions (and how he was treated, post recusal) but look at the race to succeed him.

Strange was their guy all the way through, then Trump deleted any mention of the guy - was backing Moore all the way (after Moore shattered him in the primary).

Then, Moore got allegation after allegation thrown his way (mostly involving sexual assault / predatory action on minors) and everything under the sun was "fake news" according to Trump's team.

Then, when he lost and on election night (yes, they lost Alabama) what did the pathetic apologists he had in the media do? (Everyone from Hannity to Ingraham to Calson etc)...they all said that he was never really a good pick / not really Trump's choice, etc etc. It is like full circle - from start to finish.

Oh it is worse...even among his supporters, the only time he is happy with anyone is if they do exactly what he says, when he says it, and to whom. If they deviate even the slightest, then they're not good enough for him - look at the way that he berates his own cabinet members. His own staff, his own nominee for the high court. He even boasts about how he likes a fight club mentality.

Heck, he denigrated the mother of a fallen servicemen, got Kelly to defend him and invoke Kelly's own dead son, then turned on Kelly (after he got Kelly to fire Tillerson and tell everyone Rex was on the toilet at the time)...why do people keep licking this guy's feet???

Yours was an outstanding post btw, -mod edit- - hope my rant wasn't too painful to read.

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Not quite yet three years as he declared on the 16th of June or so (day after JEB) but the conspiracy theories about his candidacy have been running God knows how long now...

That is all they are though.

Today, this is what Paul Ryan just said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/power...=.35e89339268e

(Given the GDPR issue, I will copy some of the article in case posters can't view it).

Now not only is he saying that he saw no evidence of spying on the campaign but he is also saying that the FBI absolutely did the right thing in investigating the potential ties to Russia.

This, I might add is the Republican speaker of the house (and like with all politicians like I said in the other thread, is finally free to speak his mind as he is standing down as Speaker).

Now, Trump is the most butt sore / thin skinned President in history (and the biggest whiner you will ever see try play the tough man act) so he'll say that Ryan is the establishment / never supported him after the AH tapes surfaced etc etc.

So let's look at more of this:

So Trey Gowdy...now he supported Rubio for President, so I can see more excuses being lined up here by Trump.

Now Trump's initial response was to say all this before an investigation even started. Now the investigation is on going Ryan doesn't want to say too much, because, well...it is classified.

We know there is only one guy constantly leaking classified info...

Anyway, let's carry on...let's find someone that did support Trump, let's see...how about Richard Burr. I wonder what he thinks....hmmm

Now Burr I might add, was not just a campaign adviser but advised on...wait for it, national security! Even he thinks that there was no "there there".

No response from the WH on...well, any of this.

The Democrats are also suggesting that the WH shouldn't be briefed on any of this, either:

That makes sense given the clear conflict of interests and the fact that members of the oversight committee (chairmen then, in Nunes) raced to the WH to report the issue and given that justice is under the executive's purview knowing Trump, he would want to know how the investigation into his own campaign, was going.

Every member of his party / supporter of his / people with clearances that serve on the hill, that have read the report have said the Obama team did not spy on the Trump team / his campaign etc etc.

Trey Gowdy, who authored the original report is a former federal prosecutor and a guy that Trump was tapping up to be AG ; what Trump doesn't seem to get is that their oath is to be uphold the constitution, not to service his requests. Gowdy may not have had to recuse (assuming that he didn't meet with Kislyak) but he would have done exactly what Sessions did.

Trump just doesn't get it - they are in the right, not him.

And the report tells us what we already know:

1. The investigation into Russian meddling was absolutely spot on

2. There was no spying on Trump's campaign by the Obama DOJ, period. IT DID NOT HAPPEN.

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Yes it did. Your analysis is way out.

Burr is not on Team Trump, Ryan never was, which is why he is quitting as House Speaker.

There are several Republican Chairman’s on several Oversight Committees who has the President’s back, Burr isn’t one of them, they’ve seen no evidence of Russian Collusion, they have seen a lot of stonewalling by the DOJ. They have seen FISA abuses undertaken by the Obama DOJ.

I really don’t think the DNC/Democrats have any right to dictate who sees what, given their actions in the 2016 Election, i.e funding of the Dossier.

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Which is the problem isn't it? Anyone who isn't on 'Team Trump' is somehow suspect.

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Well, considering it was initially contracted for, and funded by, a Republican political journalism website (Washington Free Beacon), does that mean the Republicans don’t have any right to dictate who sees what?

They say they have, but haven’t shown any proof (just like Trump) - it’s just like Trump’s "I’m being wire-tapped"; no evidence was ever shown to prove this was true (an investigation showed it wasn’t), but Trump and the Republicans are just making smoke screens to create doubt.

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Oh Hugh. Take your ‘For her’ glasses off for a bloody minute. The Obama DOJ, was in the tank for Hillary. The IG report due imminently will show that, why do you think in the last day or so, former No. 2 of the FBI, Andrew McCabe has begged for Immunity from Prosecution, in exchange for a plea deal?

He will have seen what’s in the IG report that was sent to him, Comey and others before final version is released to public.

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Found link for you Mick.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/05/p...ley/index.html

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Why does anyone who doesn’t think Trump is wonderful "for her" - once again, you use the "what about Hillary?" attack.

It could be just that people think he devalues the office of the President, with his constant unfounded Twitter attacks, his endless narcissistic egomaniacal "I am the best President ever", his inability to take criticism or dissent, his use of Fox News to inform himself rather than the 17 agencies that make up the US Intelligence Community with a budget of $55 billion, he has shifted back and forth and back again on his policies often contradicting Cabinet officials along the way, his inability to understand that he is not The Supreme Leader but one leg of tripartite Government, his incessant use of his properties for government business (he has monetized the presidency by linking it to his personal business interests), and his incessant lying. He does not believe in a free press or free speech - uncontrolled, he would crack down on both. He does not believe in the rule of law, a Justice Department free of political interference, or the separation of powers or an independent judiciary. He doesn’t understand compromise or even believe anyone else understands some things better than him, so if he doesn’t get his way, he attacks everyone - NFL teams, Democrats, Republicans, his own senior appointees.

Not one of those things is about "for her" - she’s history, but Trump and his acolytes just keep using her as a distraction.

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Fake News Site .. not valid

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About a year ago we were joking about the "Oh look, there's Crooked Hillary". Unfortunately, this still seems to be the go-to technique when difficult questions are asked of Trump.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-immunity.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-immunity.html

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...ail-probe.html

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Better :)

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And that is because the news about all her "Crookedness" is still seeping out and Trump goes on about it because she very obviously got away with a federal crime and yet the witch hunt about him is still very much alive despite is being a very obvious hoax set up by the pathetic Democrats. Remember the text from FBI Strzok to Page:

Hillary's use of a private email server and then used it to pass Classified emails through it, this violated several Federal Statutes, yet 'Slippery Comey' and biased individuals in the FBI, again that's Strzok and Page and McCabe and even so far as Obama's Attorney General, Lynch who met with President Bill Clinton on a back of a plane while it sat on the tarmac in Phoenix just days before Comey announced they were not indicting Hillary, an indictment for her would invalidate her candidacy for President and they couldn't have that. You would have to be a class A thicko or just plain ignorant, to suggest there was nothing sinister being arranged in that tarmac meeting.

That is why the Inspector General has spent over a year investigating "Improper Considerations" carried out by the FBI during the Investigation of Hillary Clinton. So Trump continues to go on about it because she was obviously guilty, yet she was cleared when she should not have been. They have found nothing on Trump and the Russian hoax is carrying on when NO evidence of any collusion has been found. Indictments have issued to some of Trump's close associates but for crimes totally unrelated to any collusion, plenty of collusion exists from the Democrats though, as they, along with Hillary Clinton, paid for the Dossier that was said to be sourced originally from Russians.

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BREAKING: U.S DEPT. OF JUSTICE Inspector General, Michael Horowitz schedules his OIG Report on allegations of Improper Considerations undertaken by the FBI in advance of the 2016 U.S Election to be released to the public on June 14th (Next Thursday).

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Forget about Hillary. That ship has sailed and it's done with.

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And if it doesn’t give the answers Trump wants, he’ll say (as he intimated in a tweet earlier this week) that the ‘deep state’ have fixed it...

I think people are conflating procedural irregularities with criminal acts - it’s likely that it will chastise Comey for his decision to step outside the DOJ chain of command by announcing in July 2016 that Clinton would not be prosecuted, and for re-opening the Clinton case just before the 2016 election after new Clinton emails were discovered on a laptop belonging to Anthony Weiner, and then closing the case days before the election, because that broke a DOJ normal process that the department refrain from taking any investigative actions that might influence an election.

But that won’t be enough for Trump and the Trumpers - they have decided someone, anyone, is guilty, so unless the report recommends prosecutions, they will whine and moan (and tweet).

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http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign...-generic-ballo

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True but she kept inserting herself in the limelight after the election loss. While she herself is not an excuse for him to justify his mistakes and bad behavior through the race, she kept on seeking attention ever since the loss and kept herself a part of the story. A lot of it also does have relevance. She suffered from the same problem that she has had, her entire life, an inability to keep her mouth shut.

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No it has not. Rubbish. She broke the law. (And got help to be cleared) !

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Utter rubbish. No she didn't, and no she wasn't.

I love this just say 'no' and deny everything of Trump supporters, we can all do it ! Simples, a bit like Donald :D