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Have you run out of scare stories from the FT Andrew? Don't worry, they'll have a few more up their sleeve; just be patient. These B'bergers wont give up ;)

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Don't worry, the Illuminati will stop them, and if not, there's always George Soros.... ;)

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No they have not told the truth. Just as I told Andrew what he said was rubbish, same applies to you also.

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Haven't all these pathetic scare stories written by anti-brexit sources, run past their sell by date yet ? ;)

Some remainers need to remember it's not just about money, they need to let it past their EU, rose tinted specs, why people wanted out of a corrupt entity.

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I don't see why he'd make it up, Mick. He sounds a reliable source even if we find his message uncomfortable. The paper says "Mr Callinan, along with other Irish officials and Ministers, has been in regular contact with his British counterparts since the UK’s referendum on EU membership last June, in an effort to push key Dublin concerns to the top of the Brexit agenda."

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I don't find his message uncomfortable at all. One would have to believe it's accurate to feel any such thing. It's just more anti-brexit nonsense to try and say a mistake was made when it wasn't.

The mistake was made back in the 70's when we joined an entity that just grew out of greed and corruption.

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Why would he make such a thing up?

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Don't know. Don't care.

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You really should do. If you're analysing whether someone's lying or not, one thing that will help you to decide is whether they have a motive to lie.
Just dismissing someone's evidence solely because it contradicts your beliefs doesn't cut the mustard.

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Oh here is this evidence thing again Andrew. It's not evidence. It's an opinion. I've told you before, opinions are not evidence.

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He isn't making it up, he's looking at it with an Irish slant imo, which is perfectly understandable as he's Irish, representing Ireland and looking at the consequences for Ireland which he thinks won't be good.

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Given that not a single doom and gloom prediction has yet even looked like appearing despite the avalanche of them that were supposed to start hitting the day after we voted to leave don't you complaining remain people get a bit tired of constantly pushing rubbish no matter how often you state it (some calling it evidence) failing to materialise. Just give it a rest for now and wait a few years see how things are I'm sure you'll be around to tell us all how you were right if things go bad and if things don't go bad I'm sure there will be plenty of experts around still predicting the end of the UK blah blah blah.

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Well well well, so the bus was vital after all

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/0...ferendum-won/#

For those that can't be bothered to scroll through nearly 20000 odd words, here's the essential bit

http://www.thelondoneconomic.com/new...-public/08/02/

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Nothing new TD as politicians are experts at lying as most of us know...

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Do they normally boast about it in 20000 words or less

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suck it up losers

you lost get with the program all this he said she said rubbish is getting you nowhere .

just remember
the wheels on the bus go round and round ................... ding ding next stop brexit

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Suck up what, getting mugged of? You might be happy with the ends justifying the means and all that but I'm not, I don't like dishonesty be it ted heath before I was born or this guy now and all the time they get away with it nothing will change and it's not he said she said it's "I" said in the press and am so confident the people won't notice or to use your words will just suck it up and put up with it that "I'll" get away with it.

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this chap says it better than i

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GRcsReRZ9M

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He does because your not saying anything at all, you're not even particularly good at trolling

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and your not very good a losing , now i understand your getting upset about all the things that went on during the eu debates but you chose to get involved at some level. if you can't/couldn't take it then you should have stayed out of it

its clear the more you read about the subject the more upset you become
had the vote gone your way i doubt very much you would be moaning about the win .

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What another load of claptrap by you as l did not support Brexit but the vote went that way and that is it so we have to get on with things and hopefully things will work out for us in the long run but others are entitled to their opinions no matter what and if you don't like their opinion then that's tough as life is all about differing opinions and views and if you can't cope with the heat in the kitchen then that is your problem as you can always go somewhere a little bit cooler.

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do you feel better now that you have emptied your bowels of the latest load of verbal diarrhea

so if i can't cope with the heat.......... i can go somewhere a little bit cooler.[/QUOTE]

but when i suggest to TD "if you can't/couldn't take it then you should have stayed out of it" i am in the wrong

it seems in your world every one except me is entitled an opinion -strange that don't you think .

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We all lose in the end Smurf. What Brexiters don't seem to understand is that we're all on the same side in the end (apart from the very rich).

The winners/losers playground stuff indicates all that's wrong with this country atm. ( ps my Dad is bigger than yours ;) )

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he's been dead 28 years so i'll give you that one ;)

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Opinions are fine and it would be a boring world if they didn't differ but opinion is not fact or evidence no matter how vehemently some may try to represent it as such and the fact is so far many experts have done a lot of dire predicting and none of it has come to fruition. Maybe things will get significantly more difficult in the coming years or maybe they won't and nobody not one single person can state to a certainty how things will go because this is completely new and untrodden territory. Too many ego's spewing forth rubbish because they are experts and feel they have to give predictions rather then admit that they like the rest of us have no idea how things will turn out.

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So's mine, so call it a score draw ;)

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You are entitled to your opinion just like all of us are but there is a big difference between reasoned debate and regular insulting of members opinions who don't actually share your opinions.:)

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I've never argued that opinions are evidence so that straw man argument can't be woven into this debate.
I asked for some critical thinking around the speaker's motives on what he said. There are degrees of evidence and context in this type of thing, you can't get to the degree of evidence that the police need to convict a murderer.

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There is none. The idiot says brexit is a mistake. No it is not because it has not happened yet. There is no mistake leaving a corrupt bunch of idiots in Brussels!

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In the absence of a fully working crystal ball there's no certainty or FACTS which prove that staying in the EU wouldn't turn out to be the biggest mistake of all. I happen to believe it would be.

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What is interesting here is the Pavlovian reaction to Andrew's post re: the Irish article. Instant denial, the same old insults in the place of argued rebuttal and debate.

And the most telling of all, in terms of the honesty of the Leavers here and that is lack of defense of the charge made by the link posted above:

Vote Leave director admits they won because they lied to the public

What I will get here is a "I don't care because we won" response but who really won here? I await the playground insults with baited breath ;)

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we did all that this morning and a mod warning was issued -move on ;)

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I was actually undecided during the debates after being a rabid leaver for about a decade, never let facts get in the way though, they certainly didn't during the campaigns and I think I'd be moaning even more had remain won and I'd been duped into voting for them.

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Perhaps because all the arguments have been done to death?

I would have voted leave if I'd never heard a single word from 'Vote Leave'.

Really, it's all water under the bridge now and to move forward you need to reconcile yourself to that fact.

Besides, it's stifling your previously interesting posting if I might say so :)

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Why Remainers must ACCEPT Brexit: Victory would have been 'LANDSLIDE' if run like election


John Longworth, of Leave Means Leave, said Brexiteers would have been celebrating an even bigger win had parliamentary constituencies been taken into account.

The former director-general of the British Chambers of Commerce added the British public was given “misinformation” about what the economy would look like post-Brexit and certain bodies had purposefully not revealed any likely benefits.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/792...neral-election

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That's what I was thinking. Leave claiming that we could give (was it could or would?) might have been disingenuous.....but we still could do it after we've left. Remain however did lie about WW3 and other fanciful claims of doom and gloom etc :p:

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Correct. It'll be our choice as opposed to that of the EU.

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I've an idea.

Instead of giving the EU the (non legally binding) £60 Billion as part of our Brexit deal, how about we give that to the NHS?

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Is that suggestion or a promise...? Looks like a suggestion to me like the one that was made pre-June 23rd 2016. ;)

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Weren't we threatening to go to war over Gibraltar the other day :shrug:

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It has the same credibility as anything the leave campign suggested or pledged.

They as I are not in government and have no say on where our money is spent.

It's a good idea though don't you think?

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That wasn't us. That was just some nob vaguely related to our government apparatus.

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On that we can agree, I've some advice for who ever woke up old lord "something of the night", don't do it again.

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Oh yes, but I am not going to hold you to account, if the money does go elsewhere as, like you say, just like the Brexit campaigners, they are/were not in a position to offer similar ideas. Therefore the ridiculous notion that, you are potentially lying to me, if said idea does not come to be further down the line. ;)

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That's not what's got my goat, most people that paid any attention suspected they were lying, what's annoyed me is rather than be glad they got away with it one of the people responsibly is boasting about it in the press, making claims about how much impact and influence it had over the electorate and is presumably getting paid a fee for spilling the beans, it's almost got me as annoyed as when bliar said it was time to move on after Iraq.

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Come off it, you're mad about the Iraq war, envisioned by Corrupt leaders, yet you want to remain with similar types and a bunch of corrupted in Brussels ? What gives ?

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I just didn't see the point of leaving when we did, going now won't make any difference, everyone that wants to be here is already here and aren't going back, the reasons for me not wanting them here like depressing wages and undercutting British workers are pretty much gone to, going now seems like a massive effort for not much reward, we should've done it five or ten years ago and I do have a massive problem with blatenty dishonest politicians, perhaps it's because I have more respect for their office than they do

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Anyone who made up their mind by listening to either campaign was an idiot as neither campaign bothered much with honesty in trying to sway people it wasn't just leave or remain that were guilty both were as bad as each other. If people didn't do their own research to help them make their choice again they were idiots and the truth is there were just as many idiot voters in both camps again not an area where one side or the other had an advantage. This war between the die hards from both sides is equally laughable and just continues the rather pathetic campaigning that the british public were subjected too that gave nothing really credible for anyone to hang their hat on or help them.

We have a lot of talking heads continuing with the same old rubbish and trying to sound credible and as though they have the first damn clue what's happening and going to happen and the devoted little followers on both sides continue to do battle. It's pathetic and absolutely boring achieves nothing and just makes all involved look like uneducated idiots, it really is time to give it a rest rather then continue to endlessly tread the same ridiculous arguments over and over.

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I know. I thought that Irish guy had an interesting angle on things as he spoke to his British counterparts regularly.

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Or an agenda?

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<fast show homage>Me, make interesting posts, with my reputation?</fast show homage>

I see my cunning plan has worked .. you have agreed to play nicely .. :)

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Like a father, a wise man sometimes capitulates to the ephemeral feisty and vociferous inexperience of youth for the greater good ;).

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Well said. Completely agree :tu:

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If you are like a father, you are very old indeed!

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I wish you'd been wise enough to listen to youth on June 23. :D

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It's unhealthy for the young to live in the past oneandone :)

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I was wiser to listen to people old enough who knew what life was like before we joined.

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Yes listen to the youth whose big concerns were mobile roaming and continued holidays to ibiza i honestly don't know why i didn't put aside my practical concerns for the endless summer worries of the young.

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Really? I never listened to them myself and I'm one of them.;)

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i just heard £3-50 for the elves in service and i was in [well technically out]

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The EU has said these agencies will have to leave the UK if we leave the EU. David Davis believes they can remain. Let's hope he's right but he does have his moments of delusion on Brexit.
Will be interesting to see how this plays out and let's hope for a win for the UK and jobs.

https://www.ft.com/content/72ead180-...1-d5f7e0cd0a16 or Google headline to read full article.

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Yes, really.

You're one of the rare exceptions to the rule. But every person I know around your age group, could not wait to vote out of that pile of garbage.

End of the day, I believe them when they said life was better Pre-EU era.

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Such experiences are very subjective though. People become very nostalgic for the past and it helps they would have been younger then too. How much of that 'life was better' is more to do with the way society has changed in general rather than specific EU policies?

Because even after Brexit life won't go back to how it was. You'll still have jobs being lost to new technologies, culture will continue to change and we'll still be competing with the Asian economies. It's like those who think there will be a renaissance in British manufacturing. It's hard to see how we'll make that competitive with low-wage economies as the same pressures will still apply.

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I do not think it is anything to do with feeling nostalgic. Back in the 70's, walking out of one job on Friday, in to another Monday, I am told was so easy. Not so easy these days.

Getting on the property ladder, was easy and more affordable back in the 70's, now it is not so much because there is a chronic housing shortage, which in turn is pushing up prices to ridiculous levels, because of our stupid open door, 'let them all in', policy.

Local services are over stretched. Schools over stretched because where we was suppose to keep only 10,000's coming in, we're still allowing 100,000's come in.

To me, it's not about how I want life to go back to how it was, I just don't want our country being connected or grouped with corrupted establishments and other corrupt governments that we have allowed to join the EU bloc and that is essentially the main reason I voted out. I think Ramrod said a while ago, it's not just all about 'money', for the reason for leaving.

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As much as some may be overly nostalgic which influenced their vote there are those who attribute far too much to the EU and as such believe that without it things will be worse and won't change as we won't be part of the EU. That's the trouble with all this doesn't matter what is said about one side or the other because there are applicable scenarios that apply to both sides. If nothing else makes me still convinced i voted the right way it's the utter panic brexit and the Trump election have caused in the political world that had gotten too comfortable and complacent to bother about the little people they got a much deserved kick in the backside.

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Different 70s to the one I grew up in, with a recession in the mid-70s, inflation of over 20% at times, unemployment tiding to double digits (it hit a post-war high of one and a half million), the Oil Crisis, IMF bailouts, 3 day weeks, Winter of Discontent...

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Mid 70s isn't that when was way in after joining that disaster?

Either way it was still a better time before we joined that crap.

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There was only a few years where you could walk out of one job and straight into another.
Late 60's early 70's.

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:clap:

We joined the disaster bloc after 1972. Winter of discontent was caused by Widespread Unions and Strikes. But was a time way after we joined that corrupted pile of garbage.

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all i can say is if you remember the 70s that well you were doing it wrong

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I missed this session of Question Time earlier this month and when I miss it, usually something kicks off...

But seeing Diane Abbott get a stern ticking off by a Audience member, was music to my ears especially with what she said last year about leavers being racist.

But what's even more wonderful at the end of this youtube vid, only 3 minute video, was Michelle Dewberry's comment about leaving the EU means exactly that that. She summed it up quite succinctly...

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Another typical Labour hypocrite.

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More evidence - as if we needed it - that the BBC stands for Brexit Broadcasting Corporation.
They have an uncanny ability to fill their studio audience almost exclusively with leave voters.

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Where on earth do you get that idea from? The Brussels Broadcasting Company has been relentlessly pro EU the whole way though especially on current affairs output.

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Did you personally verify how each member of the audience voted?

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Well, you brought a smile to my face Andrew. I suppose in your (new?) world, the FT is a Brexit supporting newspaper, CNN supports Trump and Fox News supports Hillary! :D


I know someone as esteemed as yourself would never touch the 'wacky-baccy' but it does make me wonder ;):D

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:tu:

Brexit Broadcasting Corporation??

I've heard some nonsense in my time but that takes the biscuit. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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What an absolute cop out and you know it.

I think Michelle Dewberry on that QT panel, makes a very valid point about remainers, going on about that we should not be going for a 'hard or extreme brexit'.

Like Michelle was saying, if you sell a house and buy and move in to another, you don't go back to sleep in your old house and bedroom, it is just absolutely ludicrous all these suggestions from remainers that yes, we are leaving, but not really because you want to keep our foot in the EU door. This is not what the majority voted for.

I have said this and I am going to say this again. There is no soft or hard brexit because leaving means exactly that, no silly connections or strings attached, no single market please or any other variance of it. Leave means leave and that is what needs to happen and it cannot happen any quicker, as far as I am concerned.

And Diane Abbott is a disgrace for an MP, every time she opens her racist fat gob, more and more long standing Labour voters turn away from the party. Labour are in for a thrashing at this snap election and it is going to serve them bloody right.

And Lib Dem, Tim Farron, that imbecile would have us rejoin the EU in a heart beat, however, his party is getting some backlash just now for his own personal views about gay people being 'sinners'.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7690771.html

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Ha ha!

To its credit, the BBC acknowledged its shortcomings in its remain/leave news coverage the run-up to the referendum.

These were:
- it failed to describe factually false statements like the £350m going to the NHS as such; instead it stated that "opponents describe this figure as false".
- it followed the news agenda of the red tops. So whatever The Sun and the Daily Mail felt as importance would significantly impact what was covered by the BBC.
- it gave equal weight to arguments even if 99% of experts agreed, it would drag out that sixties hippy from under a stone to give the opposing view. This gave credibility to poor arguments.

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The election is an opportunity for the Liberal Democrats to recover a few seats but his approach to homosexuality is doing him no favours. Theresa May must feel doubly blessed to have him and JC as opposition leaders.

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Comedian David Baddiel said that people who claimed Tim Farron is talking the most sense had to face up to the fact that “he’s a fundamentalist Christian homophobe”.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7690771.html

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BREAKING: U.S House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan, who is in London at the moment, has said just now that the U.S is ready to forge a New Bilateral trade deal with the UK as soon as possible. (Of course can only happen once we leave).

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Everything, th at is currently happening is nothing but all positive in my opinion

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There were factual inaccuracies and out and out lies on both sides in the referendum campaign Andrew so get over it both sides treated voters like idiots but no one has a right to moan about it as all they had to do was a bit of research. The lib dems will try every trick to attract the votes of remainers and no doubt a fair few of them will be dumb enough to vote for them because of the EU issue, thankfully the majority will be a little more practical in their voting. My biggest hope is the snp get a good kicking in scotland as i really don't want to see the scots being set against each other again chasing the independence dream.

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I was just explaining why the BBC's coverage was biased towards Brexit and acknowledged as such by the Corporation. I was not trying to re-tread old wounds but some people wanted the detail.

For those people, some further evidence of the BBBC's pro-Brexit bias may be seen here:
https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...n-whittingdale

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A cursory glance through google reveals:
News- Watch

Spectator

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You do realise that everyone's Google search results differ don't you, so this does not surprise me.

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At least RR posted a link to his findings.

You on the other hand...

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That doesn't mean that those articles are only out there for me! It's not like they have been written for me personally to read. You can find them as well.

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That, he is not.

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Also posted a link in #1284 and in previous discussions on the topic.

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How would you describe his religious beliefs?

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You really do look a bit silly Andrew when you try and say the bbc favoured leave and your the only person I've heard say that as RR said the overall approach of the bbc was very much remain and not leave.

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OK, let's look at Question Time... Since the 2010 election, UKIP has been represented 20 times despite having 2 MPs at most. Nigel Farage who has never been an MP and is barely an MEP based on his contributions has been on 11 times.

Put another way, based on the 2015 post election parliament, UKIP has 0.2% of the parliament seats and 3.7% of the appearances. Data from here

So yes, Brexit is over represented based on the balance of parliament (interstingly, SNP is massively underrepresented)

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Whilst I'm no fan of UKIP and am happy our exit from the EU should end them, while they may not have had parliamentary representatives their vote share was high for a fringe party which might have been the basis for their appearence on QT. That's if we only talk about QT and not all the other programmes the bbc hosted where there was a clear bias for remain to label the bbc as pro brexit is a really bad joke.

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You mix in the wrong circles. Like yourself, Fox News tried to label the BBC as pro-Remain. Ofcom found against them as well as criticising Fox's biased coverage.
http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/articl...verage/1406407

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You seem to assume that because they weren't judged to be pro-remain during the referendum campaign, then they must have been pro-leave. This doesn't make sense.

During the campaign they were scrupulously impartial. However before it, and since (which were out of scope of ofcom's judgment) they are outrageously pro-remain, as any half decent media analysis shows. There are people keeping records of how many pro remain and pro Brexit contributors get invited onto BBC programmes to comment. If I have time later I will look one of them up.

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The circle i mix in avoided much as it was possible all the media given the utter rubbish both campaigns were coming out with i did my own research and made my decision based on that as did nearly all my family and friends both remain and leave voters.

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Yeah but you got the wrong sort of Google results mate, just like Ramrod... :D

I don't know... :shrug: First of all it was all down to racism, bigotry and xenophobia. Then it was voters not actually knowing what leaving the EU meant. Then it was down to the BBC being pro-Brexit and the wrong sort of Google results. :confused:

Someone's clearly confused...

:rofl:

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not good for clueless racist xenophobic bbc watching googling bigots then :)

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I didn't say that, I quoted someone who said the BBC was pro-remain.

It may contradict the line peddled by some red tops and believed by many, but the BBC has acknowledged its pro-leave bias in the ways I described earlier. Half-decent media analysis can show anything; decent media analysis shows their pro-Brexit bias. If I have time at the weekend I will supply more evidence.

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Oh dear Andrew; a lot of people on this thread aren't going to be happy that you asked me that ;) (or that I answered for that matter ;))

Only God knows that. Sadly, much of the church teaches a social gospel these days, rather than the true Biblical Gospel of Salvation, which is only through an individual’s own belief in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of sins.

A fundamental Christian believes that the Bible is the divinely inspired and inerrant word of God and believes that all Biblical prophecy will be fulfilled. They would look at the EU from a Biblical perspective, given that they understand that there is real spiritual battle going on( Ephesians 6:12). That will eventually end up with a world government, run by the Antichrist and his sidekick, the false Prophet (Revelation 13:7) Christians are called on to be aware of the signs of the times. That the world is heading for globalisation is no secret, and no surprise to people aware of the Biblical end time prophetic narrative. Globalisation is the ideal preparation process for a coming world leader; eradication of national sovereignty, mass immigration which erodes each country’s cultural Identity. The EU is effectively enacting these things.

There are other indications that the people behind the EU are globalist in nature. The Tower of Babel was the seat of the first world government, and,more significantly, was a rebellion against God (Genesis 10 V8-12 & Genesis11 v1-9). The 1990s poster, used by the Council of Europe, who run theEuropean Court of Human Rights, shows the rebuilding of the Tower of Babel. Just as bad, the stars in the poster are inverted; an often used satanic symbol. The modelling of the European parliament building isbased on Bruegel the Elder's painting of the tower of Babel.

The EU's identification with Babel indicates that the powers behind the EU are identifying with the final attempt at world government (they may, or not be, aware of that). Associating in this way with Babel is an affront to God as it speaks of rebellion against Him. The Bible warns us to ‘come out of Babylon’ (Revelation18). To me that means anything associated with it.

I find it impossible to understand how a fundamentalist Christian can support Britain being connected with the EU.