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What, by following their own rules? How very dare they not do what you, the Great Arthur, all-seeing and all-knowing (well apart from climate change which we already proved) demand?

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No she should not. Go see the MAP of the US on the following page and look at it, how much MORE Red and by that, I mean DEEP Red there is than Deep Blue...

http://time.com/4587866/donald-trump-election-map/

As explained, many times in this thread already. The Founding Fathers had it right over 200 hundred years ago. You cannot have heavily populated areas such as California, New York etc, call an Election, it's like California saying to rest of the US, 'We will vote today, everyone else stay at home.'

Bernie Sanders cried the same crap yesterday on Social Media as well and even his own supporters and followers were telling him, that while, yes, they cannot stand the thought of a Trump Presidency, he (Bernie Sanders), needed American History lesson 101. Infact many of them were saying, it was his own stupid DNC Party's fault for backing the wrong Candidate.

I assume by this remark, you're not quite up on the facts of Obamacare, again, as explained many times, what it is in this thread, Obamacare is NOT free healthcare.

As for NATO, he is ALL for it, just expects Countries, under the Umbrella of NATO, to pay their fair share, when it comes to Defense spending.

And.... ...it doesn't need to be told every time you reply in this thread. :zzz:

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well your not alone this nut ,er i mean chap agrees with you

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...Jones-Infowars
SHOCK CLAIM: The CIA 'is trying to ASSASSINATE Donald Trump before he takes office:)

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US president assassignation attempts and successes seem to be the norm.

List of attempts and successes

Why should Trump be any different?

There's always rumours about CIA plots as well.

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Strange how noone cares that Putin helped to elect Trump as POTUS ...

Strange times indeed

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maybe your the only one who believes it :shrug:

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Also the FBI and the CIA.

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And their evidence is.................nowhere to be found.

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its what ever Obama tells them it is - things will change in late january;)

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I believe the 17 intelligence agencies in the US and our own MI5 over the Kremlin's denials.

They are doing a report but I suspect it still won't be believed. During the Cold War Russia always had enough apologists on the left, they now have them on the right. The truth is a lot of people don't care if Putin is calling the shots as long as they benefit. Far-right or left. More than willing to accept Russian meddling if it helps them (and then they accuse others of being traitors!).

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scary stuff

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don't let paranoia win

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The 'red menace' was real. The Soviet Union would seek to influence Western states by either having agents here or having people sympathetic to their aims willing to spread their propaganda.

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если ты так говоришь, кто я такой, чтобы спорить

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Propaganda? I think you'll find it was the Hollywood/Media "machine" that did that. All the Russians are even accused of, is EXPOSING the TRUTH. Who was responsible for what was exposed as being the truth? Clue: It wasn't the Russians.

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Nothing strange about it. Despite the relaxed gun laws over in the US, I strongly doubt 63 Million people had a gun to their head by the hands of a Russian, forcing them to vote for Trump.

I think people are forgetting Crooked Hillary's audio recording from 10 years ago of her suggesting the US should have done 'something' to rig the Palestine Elections in 2006....

Let me jog your memories....

The US wanting to influence foreign Elections, surely not...

Second little chestnut....

The current interfering President, known as Barack Obama, coming over here prior to our own June 23rd referendum and blackmailing us, in to voting Remain, or else we be back at the trading queue. I call this interfering in a foreign referendum/Election, it should never have been allowed.

So while you got some in the US saying the Russians influenced the outcome of the Election...Pot, Kettle, black springs to mind, oh and that word beginning with H for

Hypocrisy !!!

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That's quite different from if the US hacked one of our parties.

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Well Russia selectively revealed the truth didn't they? No RNC e-mails got released (although the FBI do believe they were hacked).

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If they were truly being selective then they wouldn't have even bothered trying to get the Republican e-mails.

This all assumes that revealing it had any real effect on the Democrat votes.

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Well they might prove useful now they're in the White House wouldn't it?

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The anti-elite mission is going well:

Trump's Cabinet picks have more wealth than third of American households combined

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That's a good thing, means they cannot be bought.

Next weak leftie argument please ? :dozey:

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i understand mike pence is changing his name to mike Billionbucks so he fits in .

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Take your "I love Trump" glasses off for a moment. He is just swapping one elite for another :dunce:

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I don't have those glasses sorry, nor do I love Trump so keep your dunce hat to yourself. I am however, glad she, the crooked one, did not win and that's the difference.

I like how you completely ignored the point about Hillary trying to suggest they should have rigged the Palestine Elections back in 2006, so they could determine who was going to win, why is this any different to the so called accusations of foreign nations trying to influence the 2016 US Elections ?

(Clue: it is no different.)

Did 63 Million Americans get held up a gun point when they were casting their vote for Trump back on November 8th ? Majority of these Americans had made up their mind up, even IF there was an attempt by the Russians or any other foreign entity to influence the Election, which I just don't buy that there was.

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No it isn't too different. I expect America to push for what is in their interests just as I am not surprised Russia are pushing for theirs. My objection is that I consider America and the West in general as the force I would want to be successful. So I think we should be dismayed and push back against Russian involvement and am against people defending Russia or, as is the case in parts of Europe, political parties seeking their help.

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Western Countries are all Saints and they do not hack anyone. Laugh.

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Yes, and we ALL believe everything they say don't we? :dozey:

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I believe them over the Kremlin

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Like when they had elections to ensure democracy and Hamas won. All of a sudden we weren't prepared to accept the winner.

Our governments are true hypocrites "let's have an election and if we like the winner it's democracy in action, if not let's have another one"

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There is little doubt that both Russia and China are involved in very dubious internet shenanigans but so are we in the west we are not angels and to suggest that because the west is the lesser of two evils doesn't make our activities any less acceptable then Russia and China's. Any outside involvement in trying to influence the US presidential election is a serious escalation of those activities and Russia had a lot more to gain by a trump victory then a clinton one. Personally i also believe a trump victory was preferable to a clinton one but that victory has to be legitimate and pass any and all scrutiny so any chance that Russia played a part must be investigated to a complete conclusion.

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I still believe that Trump will cause a lot of problems for the US. He might be a billionaire business man.

BUT, he doesn't have the qualities to be a President. And l feel that next year, something will happen. And the poor in the US will suffer badly.

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But hang on your other feelings have suggested he going to get shot, so one feeling is contradicting the other.... You have a lot of pessimistic feelings or outlooks.

As for the poor suffering badly? You mean like they have under Barack Obama and Presidents before him.... George W Bush, Bill Clinton ? Remember, I have been to the US several times and I can tell you Barack Obama did nothing, nor did Bush, to help the poor, there is deep deep poverty and crime in some of the deep deprived suburbs of America and there are many streets, you just don't go down, even in the day!

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Donald is going to make America Great Again ! But its always been crap, someone needs to tell him. Massively divided, the divisions will only increase, with the select obscenely rich few (including the Donald), becoming richer. He's only got in because of an anti-politics vote; RIP the US and God help the rest of the world. If anyone really thinks he is going to help the poor, they need therapy. He's only going to help himself and his empire.

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I think 2017 could be quite bad if the 'movements' (can't think of a better word) which showed a rebellion against the perceived establishment, Brexit and Trump especially, don't deliver better conditions for those who rebelled. Maybe 2018 instead because Brexit will take time but if immigration doesn't go down, if wages don't go up or jobs don't get better then we might have an even bigger problem.

I think within a couple of election cycles we're going to see the automation cause even bigger problems for people than we see now. I saw a map the other day of the United States which showed just how many of those states have 'truck driver' as the largest single occupation and self-driving trucks, especially on motorways, aren't that far off. Uber are effectively betting their future on self-driving cabs.

The main worry with Trump (other than foreign policy) is who he'll blame if things start to go wrong.

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I have just looked how this family live, and the wealth that goes with it.

Talk about 'there noses stuck up there rear'. I now understand why people are so against this bloke.

Trump is not interested about the people of America, its all about power. He is a billionaire, owns various businesses. And if people think that Trump will transfer his interest over to his must live in cuckoo land.

Even Trump tower has rooms that are gold plated.

I was staggered when l look at the way his son is treated.

And before people slagg me off for whinging. I have worked my butt ff for a living

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I think I read something like 20% of the US population is employed by the motor trade either by manufacturing, distribution, repair, driving or in showrooms and related activities. I appreciate that all those trades won't go with the advent of self-driving, rented cars and automatic lorries but a lot will. And what will replace them? I guess it all depends on where the wealth generated by automation is shared.

In terms of who will be blamed, we know it will be the Chinese and Mexicans.

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Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin signal renewal of nuclear arms race.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ear-arms-race/

Well that's fantastic news...
So far Donald wants more nukes, more of those lovely greenhouse gases, no healthcare for the poor and a massive wall. If that's what the US voted for I guess they deserve it, but the rest of the World doesn't.

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In answer to Damien's question, it seems we know who the Donald will be blaming....

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just a thought did all the Trump haters hate him when he was just a rich guy or is it just because he won a democratic race to the presidency .

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Yes, they did - that's why they have taken the mickey out of him for over two decades...

http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/why-d...-donald-trump/

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Have you actually listened to the vitriol coming out of this man's mouth? Policies aside, he is a shocking choice for President of the most powerful country in the world.

I just hope this world still exists by the end of his term of office. If you are not worried now, you should be.

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Trump is a keen Brexit supporter and friend of Nigel Farage. Many in the Brexit camp are happy to accept the occasional item of locker room jolly japers from Donald for the greater good and I suspect that Papa Smurf counts himself amongst their number.

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Maybe he has been getting lessons from Evil Hilary:

Donald Trump: US must greatly expand nuclear capabilities

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2016/12/3.jpg

Trump on nuclear weapons tweet: 'Let it be an arms race' - MSNBC


Russia 'stronger than any aggressor' - Vladimir Putin

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never really taken any notice of him tbh -but he's the next pres of the USA and not being an American i am powerless to influence things ,the Americans have had some good and bad presidents in the past they come and go and then the people vote in another ,its their right and their choice to do so we are just spectators .

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I'm amazed you didn't notice him, with all the free publicity he got from the media....

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Trump wanting to update US nuclear arsenal is not as stupid as it might seem this is a system still mainly based on floppy disks and with Russia renewing it's nuclear arsenal i think it's right that the US does too. I am no fan of trump there are times i find him offensive and others where he's an embarassment but he is the result of the failure of the political system in the last thirty years and i expect more rejection of that system in elections next year.

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never taken notice -not didn't notice - i know he has a door that proper upset Arthur ,and he's worth a few bob ...;)

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OK, then - it's always useful to have an uninformed opinion...:D

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its what makes the world go around ,if you need my help on anything else that i have no idea about don't be shy just ask ;)

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I doubt it. Not sure why you showed me his tweet, I was aware of it and I agree with it, they do need updating until such time no further nukes are needed in the World, unless it has escaped your attention, we still do live in a volatile planet but more importantly, we not on a potential war path with Russia and Putin wants to get along with Trump even despite his tweet, so all is good if any kind of WAR is avoided, you're looking for arguments as usual, where they do not exist.

Nope, not worried whatsoever. I was prior to November 8th, when Russia was upping the Ante and positioning itself and telling it's own citizens it was preparing for War, this was a very possible path that has now been avoided, thanks to her not winning and that was ALL, I was bothered about. We can all cry about someones wealth or how the rich live, but at least we get to live.

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Nope, not on a potential war path with Russia at all ...

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Thing is, that is not what he said ,there is a huge difference between 'updating' an existing arsenal and 'strengthening and expanding' a nuclear capability,best to read what he said ,not what you want him to say

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Hey Comrade ianch, whats the difference between that and what that nice Mr Putin said
Russia 'stronger than any aggressor'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38414478

well tovarich?

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птицы летят на юг зимой

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I suspect Papa Smurf has forgotten. ;)

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Good response Comrade.

But I feel this is more pertinent.

В любом случае, я бы предпочитал не заниматься подобными вопросами, потому что это все равно, что поросенка стричь - визгу много, а шерсти мало

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но они возвращаются весной ;)

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that ruddy KGB they've hacked my account

нет у нас нет ничего плохого

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Too much Vladivar I reckon.

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Obviously you missed the memo that Putin is not surprised at Trump's remarks, which means he ain't bothered and HE still WANTS a constructive relationship with the US. As I said, you're looking for something that just is NOT there.

Yes that is what he said, in his campaigns, in the Presidential Debates. He said it!

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we know it Mick ,it's you that seems confused .He doesn't want to update ,he wants to expand and strengthen .Do you really want to return to a full blown arms race ? because it seems Trump does

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I don't and neither does he, he stated he'd prefer or wants a world without nukes as well, we all want a world without them.

But Trump has said the world needed to come to it's senses regarding nukes, he said it towards the end of the Tweet and he said it in the debates, but that is not going to happen, nor will he take them all away when potential enemies, like North Korea say they have capabilities to strike the US at any given moment.

As usual the Anti-Trump media/press is jumping on something he has said and making it look like there is a new Cold War on the horizon, the fact is, this is far from the case given Putin has laughed off such claims and still wants to get along with the US despite Trump's desires via his Twitter account today.

As for your claim, I am confused. No I am not confused. He does think they need an update, in the following debate, he discussed that their Nuclear capability WAS old and that previous Administrations have not been updating their nuclear capability.

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Cheer up Mick , it's Christmas. Make the most of it, it might be our last...
:xmas:

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We may not be even having this Christmas, if she had won the Presidency, so you cheer up with that in mind and be cheerful next year as well, that's if you can get over Article 50 getting triggered and we make a sharp exit, as needed from that sorry hell hole known as the EU.

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maybe that's because of what he said .He really can't keep saying stuff like "i want to increase our nuclear weapons" and "i want to build a wall to keep foreigners out" and not expect people to react .If he does increase Americas nuclear weapons stock as his *tweets* suggest he wants to then the rest of the world should put a stop to him

*tweets*
They need to take his tweeting machine off him the idiot is a menace to the rest of the world

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So what part of this tweet do you not understand?

"The United States must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes."

This seems to me to be a guy who is quite rightly concerned about neuclear arms proliferation and wants the US to be at the forefront to be able to fend off any threat.

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I don't see anything that he has said which makes him a menace. If it was suppose to spook Russia up, it did not, they laughed and agreed with him and besides, he said at the end of the tweet the world needs to come to it's senses regarding nukes, this to me suggests a peaceful approach would be preferred, that makes total sense to me and makes him far from a being a menace.

You see this is where you follow the gutter press and get it wrong like others, he is not wanting to build a wall to keep foreigners out, he wants to keep ILLEGAL immigrants out and that is the difference here, he is for immigrants but they must apply the legal way, wtf is wrong with that? Bloody nothing as far as I am concerned.

You say he should be stopped for wanting to build his nukes up, by rest of the world, I don't see anybody being brave enough to be stopping Russia at this current time, what makes you think they (rest of world), could stop Trump if he really wanted to do it ? Huh? - Don't you think that should be the same for Russia too, that rest of world should stop them building their nukes up, not that it would do any good, they been building them up for years with impunity ?

What about North Korea? Iran ? Don't see anyone bleating on that rest of the world needs to stop their Nukes program. The UN goes on and on with itself about every time North Korea, does a Nuclear Test, the UN 'condemns it in the strongest possible terms.' Blah blah, we hear it every time but nothing gets done about it and North Korea does it again and again.

You see, it seems to be a more of a case of, let's attack Trump, just because it's Trump and it's getting rather tedious listening to all the whinging and complaining about him, when if it had been her, we probably be experiencing a world apocalypse by now.

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"A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons" Hillary Clinton on Donald Trump.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7161621.html

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:zzz:

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Thank you for the kind offer - if I want an opinion uninformed by fact, you'll be my first port of call.

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He does seem a little thin skinned. Still I'm sure that will only be of massive benefit to his presidency

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yes just let me know if there's anything else i can't help with ;)

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he's probably used to getting his own way all the time ,like most rich people

well that's my uninformed guess [i'll check out wackypedia that's always good for several million different answers to the same question] ;)

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And which part of "greatly expand and strengthen its nuclear capability" do you not understand ,the man wants to increase Americas nuclear arsenal as if it's not big enough already .

We've spent the last 30 odd years cutting back on nuclear weapons and Trump walks in and wants to undo everything that's been achieved because it's better for the world :rolleyes:.

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In fairness Marty putin has been expanding Russia's nuclear arsenal both in terms of numbers and warhead yield culminating with the czar bomba a weapon the russians claim can take out a target the size of texas. The US has allowed it's arsenal to deteriorate over the last couple of decades and if trump hadn't done it clinton would have had too. A renewed arms race is not something any sane person wants but it looks like we are going to have it anyway.

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Another example of how he does business, wonder how long it takes for him to display such behaviour on the world stage

http://metro.co.uk/2016/10/27/scotti...trump-6218253/

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I strongly suspect Putin is laughing at him and can't believe his luck in getting such an idiot in opposition to him

So you actually think that increasing Americas nuclear arsenal is the peaceful approach ,you just answered the question of how can such a nutter got to be the most powerful man in the world .

No Mick ,i don't follow any press at all ,i just listen to what comes out of that idiots gob .

These two paragraphs read like a statement from the 1960's trying to justify why countries need to build more nuclear weapons .Given Russia's current nuclear weapons systems any system that America has or wants to get will be ineffective anyway .Russia's missiles tend to be more blitz bombs designed to lay waste to entire continents ,they have dirty bombs designed to poison water for decades ,they are much more immoral and there is no defence to that ,as the rest of the western world realised years ago .

Have you actually read what your writing ?I am "whinging and whining" about Trump because of what he says ,what his views are and because i think the bloke is a menace to the rest of the world .....just exactly the same as you do about "crooked Hilary" .Just because you are of the opinion that the sun shines from Trumps backside don't expect the rest of the world to agree

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You suspect wrong.

READ what he bloody said FFS at the END of his tweet. He would prefer a World without Nukes, what PART of this do YOU, not understand 'The world needs to come to it's senses'.. That is what he said... That to me and it would seem some others in this thread that he does not prefer a World with Nukes. Stop being bloody ignorant, stop taking something out of context to conveniently fit your negative views of Trump.

Yes martyh, you do. :rolleyes:

OMG, you are unreal. You pointed out that the world should stop Trump from building up his arsenal if he attempts to. MY point is, which is another you have blatantly ignored is that, I did not see this so called rest of world stopping Putin building up his weapons, I did not see rest of World attempting to stop North Korea, building up their weapons. WTF are you not whinging about Putin's/North Korea's arsenal ? Huh? Why are you not suggesting these Nuke arsenals should be stopped by rest of World?

Laughable, you expect people to always agree with you. Does not work that way I am afraid. :rolleyes:

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Exactly this. :clap:

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And how would you know that


:banghead:I have read what he said ,i have repeated it often enough ,he wants to increase arms to bring about peace ,the same as Americans want to stop mass shooting in schools by giving everyone a gun :banghead:

No i don't ,i get information from the same source as you ,you just have a really weird way of interpreting it ,you've proven that time and again in this thread

Because we are talking about Trump but since you ask what on earth makes you think i don't want Putin stopped and N Korea stopped,same goes for China and if the UK decided to increase it's nuclear arsenal i would be up in arms over that to ,so how is Trump increasing the number of nuclear weapons going to stop any of the other countries they already have enough to destroy the world 3 times over what would getting more achieve ?

Not at all ,i know your having a love affair with Trump but don't expect everyone to agree

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Yes at all martyh, you do expect people to agree with you, you are proving it by trying to have the last word and for the rest of that sentence that followed on from that frankly, you just being ridiculous and proving, like Mr K, that you are someone who cannot have a sane and reasonable debate with. :td:

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Ooh. don't bring me a into this!
Don't often agree with Martyh but he's spot with this one. Trump was comic but now he's got his finger on the nuclear button, he's a the biggest threat to peace since the Cuban missile crisis.

Last word ;)

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Bless, i presume that by saying i'm being ridiculous you in fact mean i'm disagreeing with you ,and by saying i cannot have a sane and reasonable debate you mean once again mean that i'm disagreeing with you .I know it's your forum but tough you are just going have to put up with people disagreeing with you

Anyhoo here's just another taste of the sort of person Trump is .The company that Trump keeps is very telling imo.This from Trumps co chair of his new york campaign

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The whole point of a forum like this is that people get exposed to the counter- arguments that they would not get if they just went to their IloveTrump or IloveHilary forums. If it makes uncomfortable reading - which judging by some of the swearing I'm reluctantly reading in this thread it does - and/or they only want to read the words of those who agree with them all the time - then they should stick with their other sites.

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1andrew1,

It is not about agreeing with or disagreeing with someone it's about having a sane discussion, especially when such persons do not know how to debate properly, making stuff up and coming out with crappy nonsense, that just is not there, that's the difference.

I have never expected anyone, nor do I expect anybody or everybody to agree with someone or something but when silly arguments get brought in and then ridiculous assertions, like saying I must be having a love affair with Trump, just because I don't disagree with him, that is just bloody stupid and childish.

Someone has since had to point out to me privately, that I took my time with martyh and him being incapable of having a sane discussion with, him and Mr K, make a right pair on here. :rolleyes:

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So why get all worked up when other posters have differing opinions .You have rather childishly referred to Clinton as "crooked Hillary" throughout this thread and when posters give facts and quotes showing Trump in a bad light you either twist them to say something completely differently (as with the nuclear tweet provided by ianch99) or you completely ignore it .You say you cannot have a sane discussion with me ,now i would like you to provide evidence where i have been insane and made stuff up

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http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2016/10...xtbigfuture%29

Remember this.

Remember why this happened?

So yeah, the Untouchable 'can't do a thing wrong' Obama just adding to his long list of wrong doings then having the media pass it off as a Cold War v2 and the Russians are the big bad dudes.

Blaming Trump for something Obama effectively started :erm:
So you can actually pinpoint when and why Russia stopped disposing of Nukes. Increasing the stockpile won't be a problem now that Obama and co simply 'stored' them rather than dispose of them.

Annoys me that you have to sit right in the middle of Western and Eastern media to find that truth, it's even more alarming when on occasions it's the Russians telling the truth.

So all in all what's Trump going to do? He's not entirely right but it's acceptable, expand, match, whatever needs to be done until they can reach another resolution like the one they had under Obama but more effective and without the administration effectively sabotaging it with deception. Give him a fair break and see what happens, you'd be surprised at how much of a dick Obama truly is.

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A number of people on this forum would say exactly this about your posts. You seem to have a problem with people having a different opinion to you, shouting people down when they contradict your position.

There is plently evidence and opinion that Trump as a person and as a potential President is far more of a risk than Hilary ever would have been.

Merry Christmas ..

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Shout people down lol - they are words on a screen. IF I WAS SHOUTING: MY POSTS WOULD LOOK LIKE THIS ALL THE TIME.

No I don't have a problem, as already pointed out, people can choose to freely agree/disagree. It's members like you and martyh always think you are right and try to force your opinion and try to have the last word and Mr K, well he just talks like he has been smoking something.

No there is not plenty of evidence at all, that is BS, there is only opinion and that is all it is. As for evidence regarding Hillary, (two l's in Hillary name btw ;) ), you only have to take a look at her disastrous policies as Secretary of State, thanks to her and Obama's foreign policies in the Middle East, we have them to thank for ISIS. So I think I'll stick to my previous points in this thread, that she would have been a greater risk, if she had become POTUS and that is just issues in the Middle East.

There was strong evidence and reports in the media that Russia was prepping for War, I think this would have been evidence enough that she would have been a greater risk to Peace.

All these points you, martyh and some others keep conveniently ignoring.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38429496

Oh dear it seems charity begins at home with the Donald. Hillary is beginning to look a saint.

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or maybe like this? :)

Err .. "Pot, Kettle, black springs to mind" ..

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Being honest when it comes to ethics and morality neither trump or clinton have any high ground both of them are pretty much as bad as each other but to suggest trump brings us closer to war and clinton would have been safer is utter stupidity trump has a workable relationship with putin clinton did nothing but provoke putin not that it was hard given putins ego. Russia is a wildcard right now irrespective of whose in office in the west and putin is pursuing a militaristic policy although Russia's economic woes are holding that back at the moment. Strength is needed to keep russia from pushing too far and the US updating their nuclear arsenal and even expanding it is an appropriate response to russia whether we like it or agree with it.

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Only this is not shouting, it is use of Font sizes and Bold ! Using Caps LIKE THIS, is shouting. :dunce:

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Oh dear nothing.....perhaps you should look up Clinton and paid for speeches. Google is your friend. ;)

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better still, Google "trump lies":

2015 Lie of the Year: the campaign misstatements of Donald Trump

Lyin' Donald: 101 Of Trump's Greatest Lies

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ianch99 : Earlier in this thread, I have stated Trump was no angel but out of the two options, he was the better one and she has lied far more than he is being accused of. Stop trying to have a peeing contest, because I'm just not interested.

Clinton as far as I'm concerned would have led us in to a Nuclear war with Russia, that threat was there, had she won, but she did not win and now the US has a President that wants to be friends with Russia, nuclear war threat over.

It's also ignorant to continually ignore Clintons disastrous policies as Seceretary of State, The scandal surrounding Benghazi, the policies she and Obama applied in the Middle East that has 1) Led to biggest Refugee crisis since World War II. 2) Given Europe and other parts of the world ISIS.

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Look, just because Clinton had flaws does not make Trump the better choice. I personally think both candidates were terrible choices to be honest.

All I, and others, are saying is that Trump is a worryingly bad choice for POTUS. His potential for mistakes is far greater than with Hillary. She was a known known .. Trump is an unknown unknown ..

You cannot have an individual who personality and character are so at odds with those you would desire in the President of the USA.

I feel that the choice of Trump by many Americans was one of desperation: they felt, correctly, that the global banking/political elite has used them, badly, and that anyone even Donald Trump was better than more of the same.

I totally sympathise with this hope. I know that Trump in no way compares to Hitler but it was the lack of hope and the desperation of the Germans in the Weimar Republic in the early 1930's that led to the cataclysmic choice on an anti-establishment Leader, who they felt could could resolve their dilemma.

If history teaches us anything it is that we should be "Beware of false prophets ..". If someone stands up and says I can fix all your problems but he has no track record of doing anything remotely similar then who is the bigger fool? The man who claims to he can fix America's ills or the people who put him there?

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Which of the two would make a better president I can't judge.

But all the independent fact checks find that Trump is far more dishonest than Clinton. Let's look at one; Politifact. It's independent and a winner of the Pulitzer Prize.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...p-truth-o-met/
If you want to see the latest "Pants on Fire" lies from Trump and anyone else, go straight to this link. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...gs/pants-fire/

Here's some background reading. http://www.ibtimes.com/who-tells-mor...es-one-2422143

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I bet that before 2017 is out. There will be big trouble in America because of Trump. I will say again. That Trump does NOT have the qualities of running a large country, such as the USA.

Even some of the people he has chosen to be in his White House. Have been disowned by people of America.

He thinks only of making money. He has said that he will pass over his companies to his sons.

Well, l was under the impression that he has already said that he will not take the salary of President.

In that case 'technically, he is receiving a salary from his own companies'

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The kissing of Trump's backside by St.Theresa has begun.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...attack-israel/
Tactical I guess, but maybe she should think whether the expansion of Israeli settlements in the the occupied territories, is the best way of acheiving peace. If anything she needs to try and restrain Trump, not encourage him.

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Looks like Obama is using the suspected hacking during the election as a pretext for a scroched earth exit policy:

Reuters

Or am I just being cynical?

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Wrong again Mr K

Has nothing to do with Trump at all.

Is contrary to what Trump thinks.

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Well, considering Bush Jr expelled 50 Russian diplomats in 2001, Reagan expelled 55 Sovs in 1968, and Obama is expelling 36, "scorched earth" is probably a little hyperbolic... ;)

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Both expulsions were not at the end of their presidency as a parting gift to a rival.;)