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[QUOTE=Jimi;35690442]Have voted for both main parties over the years, not quite sure why you would call those people despicable creatures, what about Blair and all the blood on his hands.

You are starting to sound a bit extreme now Jimi, time to stop watching brave heart.

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[QUOTE=Top banana;35690448]That film was proved to be as inaccurate as the best SNP video i have seen so far :LOL:

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We're seriously considering moving south of the border if the vote does go the Yes route. Half of our family is down in London and York and at this time in our lives we really don't feel like being experimented upon by a bunch of politicians on a power trip, especially when they come across so clueless that there's a very good chance they will completely balls everything up within 10 years.

Thankfully it's unlikely they'll get their way but if they do my loyalty is to my family not to some idea that our tiny island should be fractured into a shadow of itself by political mindgames that belong in the past.

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As a proud Jock I strongly oppose the Yes vote... what a stupid Idea.Better together indeed! (Am I doing the bullying right?) ;)

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Interesting article about the potential impact on those who would be classified as "cross-border" workers should Independence come about....

http://www.theguardian.com/money/201...nsions-workers

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This.

Clearly this is entirely doable in the event that the vote goes the way of the yes campaign.

EDIT:

An interesting comment on the Guardian page.

"Complexity upon complexity - but no examination of how international tax arrangements are managed elsewhere in Europe and globally. Only in Scotland, it seems, are the problems insurmountable and the consequences horrific.
This article is simply more mudslinging from the Better Together media - ineffectual, trite propaganda.
No surprises there."

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That comment could also be construed as "mudslinging" towards the Better Together backers from a clear yes supporter. So there's no surprises there either.

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Heavens to murgatroyd ... a Disqus comment thread is the last place I'd be quoting from ... ever, for any reason.

Only in a Guardianista's wettest wet dream does the European Union already have the kind of integration that would make it a useful analogy with the theoretical situation were Scotland and the UK to become separate nation states.

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It's the posters opinion Chris, and like it or not it's as valid as yours or mine. It was referenced as "an interesting comment", nothing more.

Your opinion does not, of course, change the fact, as the article states, that Northern Ireland is already managing this very same situation and is the most likely template in the event that there is a majority yes vote.

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Quite.

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:tu:

Good to see you posting again mate.

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http://www.scotsman.com/news/politic...ides-1-3382125

Worrying :/

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When the chips are down, I reckon minds will be far more focussed on the stark realities which Salmond's glossed over. There'll be no going back from a Yes vote, it's not like it can be undone at the next election. It's final.

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We could always invade ....again ,or better still get Russia to do it for us

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I don't think so Damien. Salmond held a big rally last week so to me the poll has just been inflated by some who have read the headlines from it. Once reality kicks in it'll be back to normal. Considering the Better Together campaign has been, in my opinion, rather slow out of the blocks (apart from it's "Bullying" that is) I don't see it as worrying at all. The sensible Scots out there will vote the logical and correct way for their future. And that way ain't the Salmond way.

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To be fair, as Prof. John Curtice states It's also interesting that another poll, for the Sunday Post (by Survation) on the same date, has different results

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My late wife's elderly mum reckons she wants to move. She lives in a nice house, has great neighbours in a quiet close, her home is adapted to suit her, she lives 5 mins from a large hospital with A&E, has a free bus/train pass and local shops within 2 mins walk. Apparently she doesn't get to see enough of us (or her best friend who lives nearby) so feels a bit lonely at times and gets fed up when it snows because she can't then get out much. Her proposed 'solution' to this problem is to endure the trauma and cost of a house move 200 miles away from her grandchildren, her friends and all the services she knows, uses and relies on. She'll obviously see us, her grandchildren and friends far less (if at all), have to take a chance on completely new neighbours, new friends and fewer services, plus having to build new relationships with a GP and hospital staff who'll need to be on top her various ailments.

I'm wondering if she's related to Salmond... :D

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I still don't get the part where Yes is on the brink of victory despite no credible poll giving them a score above the 30s percent. Can we just get clear, barely more than one in three people asked the referendum question are prepared to state that yes, they want Scotland to become an independent country. This is the same ball park the separatist movement has been in since forever.

Personally, I'm a fan of the theory that Unionism is akin to Toryism in the late 1980s: it's not cool, but a lot more people will vote for it in the privacy of the ballot booth than would ever admit to it in public. There is hard work to be done, but the separatists are not going to win this. A lot of those Don't Knows will vote, and most of them will vote No.

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I suspect the "No" campaign engaging the services of one Mr Gordon Brown will result in gifting some hilarious PR to the "Yes" campaign.

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You would have thought so, but don't forget, Scots voted for Gordon Brown's Labour in droves in 2010. Believe it or not, he's still quite popular and respected up here.

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That would go some way to explaining their willingness to engage him then. I can't help thinking though that the yessers will jump on the bullying inferences.

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:eeek:

Well that explains a few things...

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Now if it had been Google Maps I might have believed it... :erm:

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Looks like a whale shark

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Alec salmond or Nessie

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Now let me think :)

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Really,its like I've said consistently on here for months and months,up here in Scotland its much easier tae know what will happen on September 18th despite the nonsense I've seen on here,nobody down south ever dreamed it would happen,but dreams will be our reality.

Meanwhile,the so called CBi have helped the YES vote thanks tae them putting their big fat foot in it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...pslg2rvq1g.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27094092

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Erm, I think you'll find that Scottish Enterprise and Visit Scotland have quit the CBI on direct instructions from the SNP, whose prominent member John Swinney just happens to be the finance minister who sets those organisations' budgets.

Salmond and his crew have politicised the civil service and the supposedly arms-length quangos quite shamelessly during the past 7 years, and are pushing their agenda now harder than ever.

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Hahahaha.... you still 100% believe that YeSNP will win.

I don't see how the CBI are helping the Yes party when the article states they are backing the pro union....

Also ........
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-27101266

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Because "It will only help the Yes campaign" is the only response the Nats have when faced with the harsh reality of someone disagreeing with them.

They simply can't conceive of someone not only telling them they're wrong, but actively campaigning against them. So the Nats first of all claim that someone campaigning for a No will actually help Yes, and then they claim that someone campaigning for a No is actually a bully, plus any other alliterative term they can think of.

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By the way, it's worth reading today's Scotland on Sunday article to the bottom - John Curtice's analysis is very important, especially when it comes to the small sample size of this week's poll (meaning its reliability is open to question - they haven't published the margin of error, but it would be +/- 3pc on a sample of 1,000; I wonder what the sample size is, and what the margin of error is).

Also, Curtice points out that the Yes vote in all recent ICM polls is very soft; 18% of Yes voters say they may change their mind, only 10% of No voters say they might, and only 4% of No voters would change to Yes if they thought there would be no further devolution offered if Scotland rejects separatism in September.

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He also points out that the No campaign is struggling still. I hope they think of something to turn this around.

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The No campaign's poster campaign was launched this weekend. Labour is now (finally) taking the campaign seriously; the shadow cabinet is due to meet in Scotland and a certain G. Brown is making a keynote speech tomorrow.

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I like the more positive approach to their poster campaign. I do feel it has been relentless negative at this point. However I also concede that it's hard to make a positive case for the status-quo without it being almost negative by default, i.e you'll lose all this if you leave. It's much easier to be positive when you don't have reality and much harder when your vision has all the flaws in the open for people to see. Salmond is having a great time portraying a problem-free Scotland.

Still anything closer than 60/40 to No is worrying. It doesn't leave much room to lose ground over the Summer and if the Yes vote does lose but still gets over 40% we may not be able to banish the question for another generation. It will dominate Scottish politics for years to come as the Nationalists will aggregate for another referendum.

My hope so far is at the time draws near people will prove risk-adverse and slide back to No whereas the 'Don't Knows' will also follow the traditional pattern of referendums by opting for the status-quo. Still I think there is a possibility this vote could be lost :rem:.

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To be honest I still think we have the nuclear options of promising more devolved powers should it come to that...

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The CBi can always change its name tae The Confederation of English industry,it does nothing for Scotland anyway.

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Quite possibly the most idiotic poster I've ever come across,I'm sure we in Scotland will worry about our pensions,what say you Gordon Brown,eh?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...psq2uaos3g.jpg

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Please, all, can we let Scotland decide as they see fit and, if they wish to leave the UK, work out how to pay the bills as and when?

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Good call.

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That poster isn't idiotic it's a fact and a very good point.

One that Salmond still can't actually provide a proper answer to. Just like everything else really.

Better together really is the ONLY sensible option.

The CB I does nothing for Scotland? Can you provide proof of this?

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We are letting them decide as they see fit. Well the politicians are, everyone here had no say in the matter. And there's a lot of Scots on here that face a massive decision about their future, but it's a decision that affects us all in the end. The rest of us, most anyway, want them to continue as part of the Union. If I honestly thought that a Yes vote would be better for them then I'd quite happily accept their decision and wish them well in what they have chosen for themselves. But I've not seen, or read, anything at all that makes me believe they will be better alone. I'm not an idiot, and I'm certainly not a bully or full of bluff and bluster, but they're the accusations that are thrown our way just for having an opinion on something that's very important for all of the Union. This is not a political site, it's not aligned to either of the Yes or No campaigns, or indeed any other campaign as far as I'm aware. It's a forum covering a very wide range of topics, used by people that seem to come from all walks of life, from all over Britain. We're entitled to our view, no matter what anyone else might have you believe.

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I thought you'd know better by now ;)

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That's because there isn't any. The better together campaign should be the easiest job in politics as taking apart the SNPs plans could be done by a five year old but consistently they let them away with bluffing and trying to con the electorate with wildly optimistic plans.

And now Jonah Browns taken a break from charity funded luxury to get involved I can see more pain ahead for the no camp. :(

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You'd have to wonder, wouldn't you, where the sense is in engaging someone who was accused of bullying during his term of office and who is largely credited with / blamed on presiding over a financial disaster of gargantuan proportions to give financial advice (using unpublished data) regarding pensions in an attempt to advocate the retention of the union as is.

Seems bonkers to me.

Could it be that the Better Together campaign secretly want scotland to become independent?

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That. Would be a mistake, that's why we are where we are now. If you give some people a bit of leeway they take the mick.

Arguably if you devolve enough, then they'll be independent anyway.


Has anyone else noticed how this roll over type of politics has got us where we are today.

PC
Immigration
Human Rights
Etc
Etc
Etc

Quite frankly I'm glad I'm the age I am, (hopefully) I won't be here when it's all gone completely to ruin.

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Here son,read this.

http://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/20...omment-page-1/

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What UTTER rubbish,you are letting us vote,get off yer high horse,WE are deciding our choice of Government,not you,typical arrogant Little Englander.

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Great post,odds are now 9/4 on Independence,it was 16/1 this time last year,the fear factor mob have lost the argument,their bullying a complete and utter failure,everything they do turn's tae poo.:p:

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What does hat have to do with with proving the CBI has never done anything for Scotland? What you have quoted is another blog with an opinion about the CBI's view on the question of independence.

You have claimed that the CBI has never done anything to promote or help Scottish Business at all.

Looks like they hold an event ever other month, but don't let facts get in the way.

http://www.cbi.org.uk/about-the-cbi/uk/scotland/events/

J

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Token gesture Jamie,it let's them get out of Lahndan for a few days tae have a wee feast of fine whisky and haggis whilst lording over us,it doesn't work any more Jamie,the sooner you realise it the better.
Oh btw some more fantastic news for us up here in Bonnie Scotland.:D

http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php...-credit-rating

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Maybe jimi, just maybe, you might be better actually thinking about what you're going to write, instead of jumping onto the offended bus whilst having a tantrum and getting your knickers in a twist. What exactly does "We are letting them decide as they see fit. Well the politicians are, everyone here had no say in the matter" mean to you? Did you read what I quoted above that post? Please enlighten me as to where I say that I'm deciding your choice of Government? And I'm a "typical arrogant Little Englander" now am I?. Again, please show me anywhere that I've ever looked, or spoke, down to Scotland or ridiculed it in any way? I await all the instances you find with growing eagerness. Yours forever, Mr Pharmacist X

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So you say they do nothing for Scotland and when it's pointed out that they do you write it off as a 'token gesture'?

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Mr Pharmacist,do they sell spectacles in your shop?
Is the 'we' your 'we' or a politician,s 'we' we need tae know.

We are letting them decide as they see fit. Well the politicians are, everyone here had no say in the matter. And there's a lot of Scots on here that face a massive decision about their future, but it's a decision that affects us all in the end.
Oh btw,I wonder which way the wind is blowing today.:D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...ps6mnh0pmk.jpg

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National newspapers in "we have different front pages for our English and Scottish editions" shocker .... :rolleyes:

Seriously Jimi, do you not have a clue about anything that goes on outside your little Nat bubble?

Incidentally, the splash in the English edition is about people not realising how much their income will drop when they retire and the fact that too few people have a private pension.

The splash in the Scottish edition is Gordon Brown's speech on the stability of the state pension being questionable if we are blind and stupid enough to vote for separation in September.

Two stories that do not contradict each other in any way, shape or form and just happen to be on the same broad subject.

But seeing as you would have to read a website other than Wings Over Scotland to know any of this, I'm not surprised at how you must have wet your pants with glee when you saw that Jpeg.

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So that would be the same token gesture they do for the rest of the country then as well??

http://www.cbi.org.uk/about-the-cbi/...dlands/events/
http://www.cbi.org.uk/about-the-cbi/...ngland/events/

In fact looks like more of these 'token gestures' than most other areas.

Maybe you should realise that you can't make statements like these and not expect to be called on them.

So following proof we gone from nothing to 'token gesture', whats then next step in back pedaling after showing is more than a token gesture?

J

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I thought the lack of rational argument and inability to answer a simple question rang a bell... I reckon Jimi is Alan Fry. :D

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No way, Alan Fry's debating was far better than Jimi's

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I have no need for glasses jimi. If I did they wouldn't be tinted for a start. When it comes to the reason you're able to yote on your future, what part of "We are letting them decide as they see fit. Well the politicians are, everyone here had no say in the matter" are you struggling with? It seems you've still not correctly read all of what I posted, or supplied me with some of the examples (Just one would do) that have made me a "typical arrogant Little Englander". Please keep looking. Is this part "And there's a lot of Scots on here that face a massive decision about their future, but it's a decision that affects us all in the end" not correct either? Or is it only you that's affected by whatever the result is? If it is just you, then it's easy to see who's actually a "Typical arrogant little" something or other is it not? I realise you don't like questions that challenge you, or actually answering them, but what do you expect when you come flying in with your attitude towards anyone, or anything, that challenges your one sided view on everything.

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Ok i would have thought by now most people on here understood Jimi is nothing more then a wind up merchant and would stop respnding to him. By his own admission he is english so as popular with the scot nats as the rest of the english no matter how hard he tries to be scots or talk and write, let him blustter and blow and lets concentrate on the serious side of this, something Jimi isn't vaguely familiar with.

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...psump4ezqs.jpg

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If truth be told,Cornwall isn't really a part of Englandshire now,is it.
After all,like Scotland,it has suffered from being cut off from all things Lahndan,likewise many parts of Devon,seems tae me as if Lahndan is saying 'Stuff you for fighting against us back in the middle ages.'
If you only had been nice and civilized back then,maybe you would have gained more respect but no,you wanted tae rape,plunder and kill,just like the Empire.
Karma is coming.

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You must have an enormous fish on one shoulder, to balance the chip on the other one....

No one gives a toss what happened in the Middle Ages - grow up, move on....

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Sounds like Jimi is Braveheart reincarnated... Rape, plunder, and Kill ffs, get a grip man.

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No doubt another one of Thatcher's "Greed is good" children.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...psmnganrkf.jpg
Good tae see The Law Society of Scotland has also left the CBi,the more the merrier.

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Shouldn't that be McKarma?

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10 resignations out of a membership of about 24,000. Still, you take your friends wherever you can I suppose.

By the way, you do realise that nine of those 10 have cited their commitment to *impartiality* as their reason for resigning? Didn't you? And the other one is a chain of care homes owned by a prominent separatist. So no surprises there.

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Plus Alan was one of the infamous %1 and could probably BUY Scotland anyway ;)

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Maybe he's financing the Yes people and been given the job of Head of PR & Communications... :D

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Dear god, some amount of drivel by Jimi yet again. Posts but no actual information or informed postings and replies that have no relation the the post that was replied too.

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Just received an e-mail from Kayleigh Harvey who is the Local Campaign Organiser for Better Together in my area. I've been invited to come along and help hand out leaflets this Saturday from 9:30am around the streets where I live.

Time to step up and put my money where my mouth is. No point bleating on about it, time to make a difference.

Some nutters where I live so hopefully my house will still have windows come Saturday night :)

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Good for you! Too many people like to whine about stuff but do nothing about it. :tu:

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I'm usually not so passionate about politics but I feel strongly about being part of Britain. Regardless of the outcome in September, I'll be satisfied that I played a small part in the outcome.

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Actual info,you mean like this article from the Daily Express,maybe one day you'll wake up and see the bigger picture,but I seriously doubt it tbh.
Neighbours,aye right.



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Well done Chad,you are roughly about a year behind in campaigning,is it any wonder we are going tae win in September.

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Jesus, with nutters like you I'm pretty sure Scotland will end up on the scrap heap!!

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Considering that Europe is at the bottom of the country not the top, it makes logistical sense to mass numbers in the South not the North. What would have been the point in sending everyone to Scotland in WW2. That was the point farthest from the enemy.

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Well with Nessie swimming about they do have reason to - after al that is a hell of a weapon of mass destruction!

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lol - I think it's called clutching at straws. Just goes to show how desperate some people are... :D

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We shall see.

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I am going tae help Chad deliver them leaflets even though I am an Englander, unity is strength and we have to much in common than to get divorced as that will be very costly.

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For Doubting Stephen,and any others who'd like a wee look at all the answers.

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2013/11/9348/15
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That's about 6 months old jimi, and it doesn't seem to include some very important responses that have been given to some of Salmonds pipe dreams. Strange that.... And as usual, it falls down quicker than a tarts knickers. How are your knickers today? Still twisted?

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I am not doubting anything. I know and they aren't all the answers. That page is nothing new. It references keeping the £ and also the Bank of England. Which we know won't happen.

Those questions and answers are pretty much what was in the white paper.

If I was ever considering a Yes vote, reading that page would have swayed my vote to a No.

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Surely you meant tartan knickers,mibbee not.
Anyway,here is an updated link,don't say I'm not good tae ye laddie.

http://www.scotreferendum.com/questions-and-answers/

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Well,please yersel Stephen,if you want tae be a unionist loving Celtic fan then be my guest.
I'm pretty certain you post on the same Celtic forum as I do so you will know how high the poll is.

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Why are you trying to type with a Scottish accent still. We know you are English.

What's wrong with wanting the Uk to continue and being a Celtic fan?

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The question and answer to "Will we keep the pound?" is well hidden. It's not even in the top ten questions!. Good job there's a search function, though you'll have to be more exact than "Will we keep the pound?" as well. I'm impressed that valuable time and resources haven't been wasted on the answer, as being question 40 out of 40 in one of the sections, it's obviously not a worry for anyone. It's still all promises though jimi. Wishful thinking instead of actual proof.

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Looks like the seps' plan to co-opt the youth vote is backfiring.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.n...26000792_n.jpg

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I think what frightens me most is some Scots actually think people like Tommy Sheridan are credible politicians with workable ideas rather than just a lying sex pest. Up till now the crackpots have been a minor nuisance in the rare occasions they get a decent vote.

If Salmond manages to pull off a Mugabe-esque victory there is a danger these half wits might get some actual real power.

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Your archetypal sep is an angry, working class white man in his 50s or 60s.

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Cynical, pompous Alex Salmond has no sense of shame. http://www.express.co.uk/scotland/47...sense-of-shame

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Think of it this way. The UK was at war. We were running dangerously low on supplies, and could not maintain an adequate fighting force. In fact, a relative who fought said that the rumours around at the time that the US joined the war were that the UK had around two weeks of provisions left. The US bought a lot of equipment and provisions with them. Without that, we would likely have been forced into a surrender. This may be why Churchill was being advised to let Scotland go. They may have been hoping the US would bring more supplies, but planning what to do in case they didn't.

It's also a fact that during a war, you sometimes have to sacrifice parts of an entity to save the whole entity. After all, had we given up Scotland, we would still have been around to fight to get it back later, when we had built up more resources to fight with.

Of course, I do not know whether we would have done that, although I'd be surprised if Churchill would have allowed the Nazis to set up camp and not fought back.

To bring this post on topic, I am curious to see how the Yes campaign are going to finance an independent Scotland. From what I can see, their plans seem to be mainly financed by North Sea Oil. Admittedly, at the moment, this is a good source of income. But, NSO is not infinite, and according to the telegraph, production is already slowing.

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Either way I get to keep the family tartan and coat of arms/crest, which features two fingers being stuck up :D

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If they go independant does that mean we can kick out Iain Duncan Smith before he does any more damage in the UK? Him and all the other Scottish-born politicians down here?

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http://subseaworldnews.com/2014/04/2...ly-recognised/

Down 40% in the last three years and back to levels last seen in the 1970's

But don't worry this will finance all of Scotlands wish list I'm sure.

Someone needs to tell Fat Al, but I'm sure the shortfall can be made up by Sheep and Highland cattle.

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Is he English too? :D

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Funnily enough the channel islanders don't have a massive chip on their shoulder over the UK not defending them when the Germans came a-knocking. But then the channel islanders are not known for their well-cultivated sense of grievance.

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Absolutely right Taf and he wants to take the rest with him.

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Erm you do realise that he's an MP for an English constituency don't you?

Unless of course you are advocating only people born in a country can ever be in its government.

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That would have saved us from Gordon Brown.

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How? British PM, born in Britain ...

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It would be the point closest to the enemy if they invaded from Norway as the field Marshall expected. Sad fact is it made and still makes perfect sense, there's not many countries that have carried on fighting once the capital city has fallen

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Nothing, if anything it makes sense, I'd rather be in a religious minority amongst 60 million others who are pretty relaxed towards my faith than in a country of five million with a history of sectarianism (presuming your a catholic Celtic fan of course)

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I may be making this up like Jimi does but I'm sure that oil revenue has only topped the Barnett formula divvy up three times since the '70's

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Another irony is lot of the most vocal anti Britain/English/Queen sentiment is spewed by those who won't even be registered to vote.

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You obviously don't know much about Scottish football,do you?
You don't have tae be a Catholic tae support Celtic or protestant tae support Rangers.

Btw,the CBI must have got a wee bit nervous,eh?

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/cbi-to-reverse-its-anti-independence-stance-1-3389046 :D

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The CBI have tried to put a lid on a PR nightmare, which is fair enough. I don't believe their claims that they weren't trying to be political.

Nevertheless, we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that the organisations that left over this either wished to maintain a neutral position, or were obliged to because of their position in public life (government agencies and quangos) or because of a legal duty to remain impartial (BBC and STV). So far as I'm aware, only a chain of care homes owned by a separatist left the CBI because he supports a Yes. And the protesting organisations numbered a couple of dozen out of thousands.

Still, as I said earlier, if you're a separatist you have to take your friends wherever you can find them, even if the best your 'friends' can do is decline to take sides.

You hold on to those rose-tinted glasses Jim lad, you're going to need them when you lose the vote in September.

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Meanwhile, yet more research shows that the GuessNP's plan to use oil money to pay for everything, is lacking somewhat in the credibility department.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...bt-burden.html

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You don't have to be but it helps, you are right though I don't know much about it, one of my best pals is a catholic Celtic supporting Glaswegian who was involved in plenty of sectarian football related violence throughout the seventies and early eighties leading to his imprisonment. Still things might have.changed in the twenty years since he left tae country.

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Bless.....

You don't have to be - but it helps.......

I still have relatives (Catholics) who live in Govan (next to Ibrox) - they would disagree with your assertion.....

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Whenever anyone posts a reference to the Daily Express article (23 March 2013) that claims that ‘Scotland would have abandoned to the Germans’ in 1940 (Jimi 23/4/2014) I post a response to try to reclaim my book from people who use what it is SUPPOSED to say to further their own agenda.

The Daily Express article misrepresented both what was in the book and what happened in 1940. What the documents show is that if the Germans mounted a diversionary attack on Scotland to draw British forces off from the main invasion site in south-eastern England, General Ironside was not going to be fooled into weakening his main force. Scotland was by no means left defenceless, but like any other part of the UK it was going to have to manage with the military garrison it had. Few units of the British Army were, in the summer of 1940, after Dunkirk, equipped or trained to fight off a very well-trained and mobile invader and Ironside could not afford to spend his mobile reserves in penny packets. Scotland was certainly not going to 'have been abandoned to the Germans' - beach and inland defences were built from May 1940 onwards, the numbers of British troops in Scotland grew throughout the summer and in October 1940 the highly professional Polish Army (18,000+) was added to the garrison.

Gordon Barclay, author of 'If Hitler comes. Preparing for Invasion: Scotland 1940' (Birlinn 2013)

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Thanks for clarifying the facts and how your work has been misrepresented. It seems your work has become yet another 'instrument' for those with an agenda to pursue who think nothing of cynically twisting the facts to suit their argument. :tu: