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I remember

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cap_gun

We had just as much fun with the paper caps and sneaking up on unsuspecting adults..;)

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Just spotted this on a Police blog.

http://hogday-afternoon.blogspot.com...d-to-life.html

;)

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pc zimmerframe reporting for duty :bsmack:

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Riot inciter Johnny Melfah loses anonymity after court ruling

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-14654166

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Good

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maybe they should publish his address so we could go round and do a bit of rioting at his house

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Martyh we should never stoop down to their level as we are better then that.

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speak for yourself ;) stooping to their level is ok as long as you can get back up

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Why not Den as there is a big difference between Rioters and Vigilantes:erm:

Just my opinion:(

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But if you become a vigilante then what is that going to solve as you will end up if you are caught with a criminal record and a spell in the clink.

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Very true but when it is happening what would you do?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-2334910.html

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Your supposed to show how much better you are than them and stand back and let them rob you blind, Beat you up, and anything else they want to do, But remember this you will be better than them :rolleyes:

Personaly i would take a baseball bat to them and if i lose at least i would have had the balls to defend myself.

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See, all this crap from Cameron about having tough sentences on the rioters, get a good lawyer and they walk free.

IF they commited a crime during the riot or accepted goods knowing they were stolen in the riots is just as bad - whatever the sentences, it should remain.

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Make up your mind, Arthur....

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Tottenham police 'could have stopped riots'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14646187




Riot summit for social networks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14657456




Riots were a one-off - minister

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14637740



Well anybody can say these things after the horse has bolted as hindsight is a wonderful thing.

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Have you got a link for that.......................
















:D:D:D

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I think the same could be said about most of the areas. the police just stood and watched, and that's what made it worse. that's why it escalated over the following days.

whether they were ordered to standby and observe I don't know. but it gave out the wrong message to all.

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..he has - whatever it was it was Cameron's fault ;)

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Oh look,that was quick.... IT'S THE POLICE'S FAULT!!!! :rolleyes: :td: ( I don't mean you Den ;) )

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Thats alright Will.:)

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"Twitter study casts doubts on ministers' post-riots plan"




"Social networks find possible link between rioting and having a Tory government"

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LOL we'll have to disband the Conservative party so that there will be no chance of the Conservative party ever being in power again.

is Dave on it already?

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:rofl: :rofl:

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Rioters get stiff sentences

UK riots: Looter who pinched too scoops of ice-cream jailed for 16 months

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...16-months.html

Manchester riots: Doughnut thief jailed for 16 months

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-14573000







Man caught with weapons in Hertford Road, Enfield during riots jailed

http://www.enfieldindependent.co.uk/..._riots_jailed/



And in my mind that got totally what they deserved and lets hope other rioters are bought to book.

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Well it seems The Chief Prosecutor and The Prime Minister are in disagreement about the sentences handed out to rioters.

Riot justice is too tough, says chief prosecutor

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...rosecutor.html



And he is at loggerheads with the BBC.


Stop 'making excuses' for looters: PM attacks BBC over riot coverage

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-Cameron.html




And on this one l am very one much for tough sentences to be handed out to those hell bent on wanton criminality and mayhem.

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Do you have a part-time job as a headline writer for the Daily Mail?:D

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It is important to provide a broad political spectrum of links which forum members can discuss and debate and then make up their own minds about things.:)

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I want a link for the Star then ,something along the lines of "cops in 3 in a bed romp as London burns " in the interest of a broad political spectrum you understand :)

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The headline you have quoted is not suitable for this family friendly forum.:)

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the comment wasn't about the links ...;)

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You concern yourself too much with the poster and not the topic ;)

Anyway, I think the general consensus is that the punishments were hard because of the riots. but not hard enough for general crime commited before, during and after the riots.

Dave is embarrassed and is now not wanting to hug a hoody but to punish a hoody.

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Yes l know but l do not want you to get the impression that l agree with what The Daily Mail headline writers say because most times l do not agree with them and by the way you would do quite well as a headline writer:D:)

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But surely part of the discussion is the poster's view on the topic, and how they discuss the topic?

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apologies for posting an off topic pic but I just got this email, nothing we don't know already.

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Fake.

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brilliant. he's getting a reply not to send me anymore emails.

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Ken Clarke says riots 'legacy of broken penal system'


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14797602

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Heard Ken this morning being interviewd on TV. His contention seems to be that many of those arrested during and after the riots were not new to the legal system and therefore that the system is failing them. That may be true in whole or in part for some, even many of these people, but could another explanation for their repeat offending be that the sort of treatment and sentences they've hitherto become accustomed to have been just too lenient e.g. warnings, token fines, suspended sentences etc. etc.

It's clear to me that more needs to be done to help rehabilitate offenders to reduce reoffending but I also believe less people would get drawn into this sort of crime in the first place if they knew there'd be no kid gloves and slaps on the wrist but that the courts would come down on them like a ton of bricks.

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l agree.:clap:

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Kind of knocks the whole "Most of the rioters were simply caught up in the moment" argument on its head.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ures-show.html

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Not really, the police will be more effective at tracking down people who they already know.

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Thought that myself would say only 2% been caught and brought court likely those who were fingered was going to be likely known as there mugshots would be already in the system.

For the goverment to churn this constant misleading claptrap is they dieing to use any excuse its not there policies. If they ignore the underlining reasons then there massive fear it could happen again but on more national basis.

Polititions or should we say these crooks should wake up smell the stuff they sit in when in parliment. Start bring policies which will make difference and be the truly we in it all together.

50% paycut to all MP's absolute tight controls on there spending ban there free alcohol bars if they want a drink they should not on duty pay for it. They get paid far too much.

Tighten up the loopholes to stop these tax fiddlings I mean these caymen isles etc other shocking practices.

We need a proper fair way to tackle this not praying on soft easy targets like they currently doing.

We need proper strategy to get proper jobs not temps, part time and quality jobs.

We need initiatives such to fill skills shortage by that education is free to british nationals in courses which boost skills in that field. To train people who educated and have aptitude for a career in that field. So possible test to see who would qualify for the free education slots with no bias.

This would pave way for our future skills shortage issues for many years to come. If its monitored so we dont over subscribe it would be useful method to get britain on its feet.

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A lot of the people that rioted etc are almost certainly unemployable(especially with a criminal record) in the first place and are totally unwilling and unable to learn basic skills(eg spelling or at least using an inbuilt spell checker:rolleyes:). What jobs would they be capable and willing to do?

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Ermm. Ok... Most rioters unwilling to use spell-check software.

One has to ask how on earth you come up with this rubbish and how the hell you expect people to take you seriously?

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danielf, I think he was answering the points raised above about educating the rioters in the hope that they (if more educated) would find more gainful employment. I think he was making the point that they lacked the basic skills required for many jobs, and were likely to be unwilling to acquire them.

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Where did I say that?:rolleyes: I said skills and used spell-checking as an example, because of the previous post.

So how have they demonstrated that they are suitable for employment? Never mind for so called 'quality' jobs. How is what I have said, any more rubbish than people who say it is lack of 'quality' jobs?

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We'll see next week just how hard hitting the riot sentences will end up being.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...k-2358575.html

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anyone else just see the looters on crimewatch?

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yep just watched it ,quite shocking how blazen they where

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yeah blad, fresh crepzzz

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The Court of Appeal has rejected 7 out of 10 appeals against 'harsh' sentences in the wake of the riots.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15347868

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Yes l have just seen this and in my mind the sentencing should have been even more severe for criminals who are hell bent on wanton criminality but l am glad The Court of Appeal have rejected most of these appeals.

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The only appeals they have allowed are for people who handled stolen goods but did not actually participate in the riots and did not attempt to incite riots. Without the 'aggravating' factor of the riot, these sentences were considered too harsh and in each case were halved.

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Good news,

Do the crime Serve the time

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Exactly.:tu:

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In a cell with curtains, TV and Games Console. Yes I feel sorry for them. ;)

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How do they know to attribute the fall in crime to the riots? Do the riots themselves figure into the sums? They could be other causes related or unrelated to the riots as well.

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... let them out again and it rises. So do we lock up petty criminals for a decade at a time, at vast public expense, or do we look for more intelligent ways of dealing with the problem - ways that ensure the crime rate stays low once they finish their sentences?

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It was all the fault of the police for being too heavy handed / not forceful enough :rolleyes:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/de...ed-riots-study

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...n-mobiles.html

Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't. :mad:

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Yes they do seem a easy target for some people in this country and in my mind its out of order totally.

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The police are in an unfortunate position.Not only are they limited by lack of manpower,finance and resources but also by tactical options and by political constraints.

They are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

If politicians had used some common sense and built the extra prisons we clearly need in good time, the police and the courts would not have to repeatedly deal with career criminals, who in the end, are given community sentences instead of the massive prison term they deserve.

Effectively, the police and courts are having to continually recapture and try these persistent offenders which is a massive waste of police and court time.

It is typical of this government that their lack of coherent strategic planning produces a situation where their reform in one policy area impacts negatively in another.

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Not Thatcher's fault then?? :D

Airwave - another costly debacle?

Seriously, if these morons are now arguing that they were trying to make a point to the police then why did they spend so much of their time smashing up, burning and stealing the property of entirely innocent people and businesses in their own communities? Bizarre.....

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Airwave itself is pretty good, having every force negotiating rates from a private company is a crap idea though. A centrally run TETRA network should have been used instead.

So Smashing up a shop isn't sticking it to the Feds then? I thought it pure wos innit? :D

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Ultimately it was a combination of factors that started the riots, we need to fix them!

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Just a few! Youth unemployment, gang culture, education and penal systems that fail so many, defective parenting, uncontrolled immigration, a benefits system that pays some people who could work not to, governments who promised so much and delivered so little, amongst others.......

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Smashing up a shop isn't sticking it to the people who make the decisions it's ruining the business of someone who is not only providing a service to the community but who is also a potential employer of the unemployed. It is shops and businesses who are clearing up the government's mess so destroying them is not very helpful and harmful to your job prospects.

The police are the ones caught in the middle. They have to enforce the law even if some of the government decisions leave a lot to be desired.

Riots just divert attention away from the fact that the government's plans are not working. Not only that they unnecessarily waste vast amounts of public money.

If people want to complain they can write to their MP, the local papers or to local tv and radio stations keeping the issue in the headlines. They can sign a petition or make a video and put it on Youtube.Or they can set up an e-petition on the 10 Downing Street website. There are lots of less costly and less destructive ways and more effective to get your message across.

People with a grievance need to become part of the answer not part of the problem.

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for all those rioters that thought they had got away with it because it is no longer headline news and it all seems to have died down a bit and a few months have gone by so the cops will forget about it ..........think again

Quote:

Police have made 62 arrests as they target people suspected of taking part in this summer's riots. Officers obtained search warrants for around 100 addresses across London and raided the properties in the early hours of Wednesday morning.

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16135001


:D:D:D

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Here's hoping they have a very merry Christmas. :)

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whatever they watch the queens speech on it won't be the 70" plasma from curries :D

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I moved:D:D:D

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And they will have lights out at 8-00:D

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Will There be riots in 2012?

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If there are going to be any in 2012, but I hope there won't. then I'd make a guess of Around spring/summer time.

:)

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And why do you think that Gary.

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Because it will be a bit warmer than it is now. nobody likes to riot in the cold.

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Why they can always burn down a historic building or set fire to there neighbours car to keep warm.

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I think anyone answering that directly could be seen as inciting the riots... :spin:

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Exactly.

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Riots usually happen in summer during school holidays.

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Yes l agree Martyh.:tu:

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Excellent news

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On Alans Twitter page he was inciting riots. I don't think it is right that he brings that onto this site.

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Tbf, he isn't / hasn't done it on this forum.

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True...at the moment!

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We can only act on what posters have posted, not on what they might post....;)

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Agreed ;)

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Let hope the government or anyone elise does anything stupid this year that would cause another riot!

Also, if you want to talk about my posts onTwitter, do it on Twitter itself!

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If you post in a public place, then it can be discussed in a public place. If you want your views kept private, then keep them private.

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I meant talk about my CF posts on CF and my Twitter post on Twitter!

My Twitter account is mainly about my politcal views and my CF account is manly about the services I get from Virgin Media!

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We have enough of a hard time with you posting your fantasies on here never mind ruddy twitter

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Well leave your political views on Twitter then. Your posts in this thread have been nothing to do with VM.

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Not just in this thread ;)

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Well that's true. But I haven't been reading all his ramblings. And to give him the benefit of the doubt, some of his posts in other threads may have been about VM...but I certainly haven't seen many.

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Where's your Twitter?

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Do you actually read your own posts on here because unless I am mistaken Northern Ireland is not a service provided by Virgin Media and the only island owned by Richard Branson is one called Necker Island.:D

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i don't recall him ever posting about his VM services,and if he did any faults would be the governments fault and it would be resolved by joining a union and building a big airport :rolleyes:

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cross-eyed thug admits £1m blaze after police recognise eyes :D

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Link

Linked to this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ester-17148353