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At least they get to play games in prison now.
I hope for his sake Hoopla isn`t one of them. :D

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why do you think soap on a rope was invented? :D

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Really, when career criminals aren't even going to jail, when people who kill are out in months, when the jails are fit to bursting, this is a great result? Does anyone really think jailing this rather stupid lad will achieve what "they" want because I don't think the public will be reassured or it'll stop anything similar from happening again, this is so typical, pull a scapegoat from the crowd and come down on them like a ton of proverbial, same thing happened with that jailed MP just so it can be said 'look we have done something, everything is alright here'.

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No doubt you've all heard about the "student" the police are seeking with regards to the molotov cocktail that was thrown during the December student protest ?
http://news.sky.com/portal/site/skyn...er#commentForm

Well, I recalled seeing the original (uncensored) version on youtube back in mid-December. However, it has mysteriously vanished.

I just managed to track it down on liveleak:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ead_1292023263

As you can see from the unabridged version, this is certainly no university "student", but rather a gang member more like.
Funny the police (nor the media) never mentioned anything about the student protesters attempting to perform a citizens arrest on the offending petrol bomb thrower?

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How can you (or they) tell if it a student or a gang member?

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For a start, he looks about 12. Those others that came to his aid are almost certainly not universtiy students.

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Also, I should add I've no interest in delving back into this discussion. I just thought you might be interested to see the full version. Actually, the front face picture from the link above is far clearer than the shot they're showing on sky news !

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I take it that you have verified that he is not a student and that he was not carrying a NUS card at the time of the incident.

Do not make assumptions until he is arrested and they tell us one way or another if he is a student or not.

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Because it says so at the top of the page:

FYI, there are some interesting images towards the bottom of the page that cheered me up... ;)

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Please take your unwelcome sarcasm elsewhere, eh? Yes I've personally met the guy and verified he's not a student, FFS !!

This is why I'm not getting back into this discussion because I've better things to do than argue with idiots with their own agenda. I spent enough time travelling around the country during various protests to say with some certainty, they're most likely not university students. Draw your own conclusion, but I could care less whether you agree or not.

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Odd that you can apparently tell who is a student, yet despite the fact that I work with them, so see them every day, outside work, I would have trouble telling a student.

You can't pigeonhole students like that. They don't all look and act the same.

Some even look younger than they are (I have a friend who even at 25 had to produce ID to go in virtually any pub or club).

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Any one of them could be the next PM for all I know, but I seiously doubt they're students.

PS: the fact that none of you have commented on the students attempting to perform a citizens arrest is testimony to the fact that you see only what you want to.

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You are the one with the agenda and each and every post on here shows your agenda in its fullest light.

I want each and every student or rioter caught and jailed that we have photographic or video proof of their offences.

I would fully support the police to be allowed the use of water cannons and baton rounds to used at the next demo with now height stipulation in place as what we have seen from these protests should never be allowed to happen on our streets again.

The fools that attacked the royal party were lucky not to have been shot as would have happened in virtually every other country in this world.

Take your agenda elsewhere as you and the vitriolic comments you have posted will be welcome elsewhere.

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That's good Masque, very good. Thank goodness we have people in this country actually willing to stand up for the rights of our (and your) children. The day it is left to government apologists and compliant brainwashed drones like yourself, will be a sad day indeed.
Nevermind, as you were ;)

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I do not believe that for one instant that demonstrations should ever have been allowed to happen in the middle our seat of government and everyone of these protests to date have not proved me wrong.

I disagree totally with the fees that students are being charged and until I see all of the 650 mps in parliament put their hands in their own pockets to pay back the fees they should have been charged then I will always believe that it is a charade.

You can have your protest supporting agenda but virtually no one here will agree with you.

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If they catch this guy then we will know.

There is no one person posting in this thread who can state categorically that the hooligan was a student or not. I say again lets wait and see if the ******* gets arrested and we will know very quickly if he is a student or not.

As they catch each of the *******s they are looking for we should be told if they are students or not.

There is already one down but there is still plenty to go.

*******S relates to those creating the trouble just to make that perfectly clear .

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I don't know if it was a student or not, its merely my personal opinion that he probably isn't. Just because I've never known students to behave in such a threatening manner, doesn't mean they aren't any. Who knows, could've been students acting like gangstas for all anyone can (yet) say with 100% certainty.

Either way, I think the fact that a citizens arrest was attempted does carry some weight as to the intentions of the majority of protestors.

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Missed this bit, I think I'd forgotten your stance in this thread, it must have been quite a while since I've posted in this thread.
Fair enough, I had thought/assumed you were in favour of the fees.
I guess where we differ, is in how to go about getting the message across.
As I mentioned earlier in the thread, that although I'm against violence, I can't help but watch in awe as a few hundred anarchists (spread out over 4 demos) achieve what hundreds of peaceful demonstrations back in 1997 failed to. All we managed after all those protests back then was 4 seconds on the 6 o'clock news (once, that I can recall).
Unfortunately, the student plight has received much bad publicity as a result of the excessive violence.
However, I wouldn't like to see the police using water cannon or rubber bullets as I fear the innocent protesters would be the ones to suffer rather than a violent minority.

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Boy held...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-12196009

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Wow, that was quick..

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My stance is purely on where the protests have been held nothing more and I feel that area should protected regardless of who is the incumbent government.

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lol, actually I only just now noticed that comment in the title ! At least someone agrees with me ! :D

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You know I did agree with that view point, that no one listened to peaceful protest and it would achieve nothing, like the stop the war marches etc but at the time of the riots the government did a u turn on a policy based soley on a petition and a bit of lobbying, think it was some thing to do with school sports so it can be done.

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Well yes, even I agree with that. Protesters yards away from government isn't really a good idea. Just seems like its asking for trouble.
Perhaps they could direct the protests to some part of London's East end where noone really minds if it gets destroyed?
Sounds better to me than bringing out the water cannon or smashing up the treasury.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Student arrested as dozens of protesters charge David Cameron's car and chant ‘Tory scum’

David Cameron was at the centre of another student protest today when his motorcade was chased by angry demonstrators.
One student was arrested when a group of up to 40 waited for the Prime Minister and chanted 'Tory ****' as he left a science education centre in Newcastle.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1B2EqF6kR

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Good.

They really need to round up all of the trouble makers ala the ones swinging of the cenotaph etc.

Make an example of them.

Then bring in the water cannons for those that want to wreak havoc on the streets in the future and cause countless amounts of damage.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

They might do that instead of kettling

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Admittedly, the evening news would be much more interesting if they do bring in water cannon. Who knows, you might even see me getting washed down Reagent Street :)
I hope they hold out 'till summer time, then maybe bring in the water cannon.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Interesting, as in "Tunisia interesting"?

The problem is that it would appear that a small section of the protestors are planning for escalation (and in some cases hoping to provoke it), in the hope that this will gain sympathy for them, and enhance negative feelings towards the police and government.

I strongly support the right to protest, but am strongly against the violence and damage caused by those looking to escalate things (whilst I can sympathise with the frustrations felt, I can have the same frustrations against some of my neighbours regarding their behaviours, but it doesn't give me the right to throw a brick through their windows or key their cars).

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

I'd describe the events in Tunisia as more horrifying than interesting. However, water cannon on British streets might serve to garner further sympathy for the cause (possibly the real reason why they haven't yet been used). However, if the public are content with the government and their decisions in recent years, then its a lost cause as far as I'm concerned. The students and the unions can't do it alone.

It amazes me how perceptions can change from one person to the next.
One person can watch footage of the recent protests, and just see reckless vandals that they may associate with local Buckfast wielding riff raff.
The next person will watch the same footage, and think - hey maybe now the government might actually start to take notice ?
I find myself in the latter category.

I see some parallels with the incident which took place at Kent State university during the Vietnam war protests in 1970. For years whilst growing up, I could never understand how the national guardsman could fire live rounds into the crowds of student protesters, killing 4 of them. Afterall, they were children, the next generation, right?
I recall seeing the interviews of the national guardsmen on a documentary, and I was quite sickened by the way they viewed the students, such hate and indignation in their descriptions. I thought "Wow, what a screwed up society it was back then.". I must have assumed that we'd moved on since those days.

However, since the November protests, I see history repeating all over. There seems to be much hate directed towards the students, for one reason or another - and I'm not convinced its strictly to do with the recent violence either.
Noone's been shot yet, but I've read various comments to the effect that the police should just open fire with live rounds. I'd hate to think we've not learned a darned thing in the last 40 years.

When a group of muslims march on our streets shouting death to us all, we do nothing, in fact we can't even deport the Abu-Hamza "hook-cleric". Despite all his hate rhetoric, he's still here. The government can tax us into oblivion and we do nothing. It just goes on and on.
But yet when our younger generation take to the streets to try to make a better future for our country (whether they've got it right or wrong), so many are shouting for their blood.
Sad times :(

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

You cannot be serious.

Many of the National Guardsmen to whom you refer had friends and brothers serving in Vietnam, some of whom had been killed or injured. To be told by a bunch of students that their sacrifice was worthless would have been difficult for many.

This bears no resemblance to protests concerning student fees. If anything, many of the police on duty who are parents will have some sympathy with the issue, as they don't relish the thought of forking out more money for their kids education.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Actually there are plenty of people - one or two on this forum, as well - calling for the blood of the Muslims who take to the streets to call for death to the infidels and the invaders.

That said, the ones who, for example, turned up in Luton to shout at the army's homecoming parade did just that - they shouted. They waved placards. They did not smash up any police vans, break shop windows, vandalise government buildings or throw debris off the top of office blocks.

If you want an explanation for the differing reactions to the different groups, there it is.

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What are you talking about? This guy was found guilty of "stirring up racial hatred" (amongst other crimes) and is currently in Belmarsh prison. He will probably be extradited to the USA to face further charges.

How can you possibly think this means "we do nothing"?

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Which in my eyes could be classed as attempted murder by that hooligan who btw was a student lets not forget that. He was not a career trouble maker. Just glad to see he will not be able to threaten anyone else's life at the next riot.

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You know fine what I'm talking about. The only reason the gov took any action was because of the notoriety he gained in the British media, after some years of preaching. He's still here, and there are countless other hate clerics in this country that are free to preach their spleen against their host country. As far as I'm concerned, that counts as doing nothing.

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If we're talking about the muslims as a whole, what about the Bradford riots not so long ago? Would you say that was preferable to a fire extinguisher being thrown from a roof top and other violence we've seen from the students protests ?

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:clap:

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Yes, I have a pretty good idea what you are talking about...

He broke laws, was arrested, appeared in court, was found guilty, and is now in prison. It is the standard process for dealing with criminals. You seem to be hinting that another process should have been followed because he is Muslim. What did you have in mind - a public lynching?

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All I read was "Threatens our people and country, punished with free room and board."
No public lynching is necessary. Once his activities first became known, without delay he should've been on the first banana boat to whichever rock from under which he originally crawleth.

I read somewhere that since his Egyptian citizenship was revoked, to deport him would be against his human rights.

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Wrong on so many levels ,he was arrested and jailed because he was doing this

Guilty of six charges of soliciting to murder under the Offences against the Person Act 1861; not guilty on three further such charges.
Guilty of three charges related to "using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour with the intention of stirring up racial hatred" under the Public Order Act 1986, not guilty on one further such charge.
Guilty of one further charge of owning recordings related to "stirring up racial hatred".
Guilty of one charge of possessing "terrorist encyclopaedia" under the Terrorism Act 2000, s58. The charges under the Terrorism Act of 2000 related to his possession of the Encyclopedia of Afghan Jihad and an Al Qaeda Handbook, and to propaganda materials produced by Masri.

that is why the police arrested him not the government

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hamza_al-Masri

You also have to remember that just as you are allowed to "vent your spleen" against the country in which you live ,so was he untill he broke the law ,when he did he was arrested tried and thrown in jail

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Before I reply in proper Marty, can you just clarify whether or not you're actually defending this guy and the way our government has dealt with him ?
i.e. Has this case been properly handled do you reckon ?

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If I understand that sentence correctly, you are advocating that people who were not born in the UK and commit a crime, should be sent (by boat) to the country where they were born. Instead of being locked in jail.

It sounds like you have a "soft spot" for immigrants. :rolleyes:

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

no i certainly am not defending him ,but unlike you i am not being being selective about which British citizens have the right to protest or free speech

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Very well said.

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:clap::clap::clap:

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Who's being selective? I certainly know who's being presumptuous....
I never said British citizens who are preaching death to all infidels, shouldn't be locked up.
I think you'll find that foreigners are often deported when they commit crimes in a host country, or have you not noticed this?
Abu Hamza is an Egyptian, therefore he should be deported. If he commits a serious offense whilst in the UK, then he should be deported after he's finished his sentence. That is, assuming the authorities will stand up to the PC brigade and risk being branded "racist" if they sentence him in accordance with UK law.
This has been a rather educational dialogue, since I never realised there was anyone outside of the government who thought the hook cleric was being swiftly dealt with in heavy handed fashion.
I assume you don't work for the government, or do you ? :shrug:

I think the government has been so complacent in its dealing with this deplorable individual, that they've allowed him to succeed in making a complete mockery of our country and justice system, to the amusement of the French and utter amazement of the remaining civilised world. Everyone knows what this guy has preached and what he thinks of us, yet we are so incumbent that even after all these years we have yet to rid our soil of this wretched affliction.
The red tape that prevents us from seeing to it that common sense prevails, is entirely of our own making.

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No actually it's the ECHR that ensures we can't do it. It seems that whenever we try to deport anyone a lawyer appears to claim that it's violating their human rights, the UK gets fined and told they can't do it.

Still that's what happens when you give away your sovereignty.

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You really ought to check your facts before posting. From the link provided by martyh in post 1238:

Also, you posted "his Egyptian citizenship was revoked". So, do you think he is an Egyptian citizen, or not? :shrug:

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Certainly is educational, reading you trying to smear those who disagree with you.....

Nobody has posted (except you stating that you think others have) that AH was dealt with in a heavy-handed manner - what they stated was he was dealt with the same way as any other resident of the UK.

Re the "working for the government" jibe - I assume you don't work for the BNP, or do you?;)

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That is exactly my point. As I mentioned just a short while ago, the reason we can't deport him is due to his human rights (he has no home country as his Egyptian citizenship has been revoked, according to the ECHR). This is because we come under the jurisdiction of the ECHR.
We gave away our sovereignty; it wasn't taken by force.
Therefore the way I see it, the status quo is of our own making.
We're reaping the seeds we've sown.

Mind you, we never had a referendum on the EU so I don't believe it's entirely fair to blame the British people for this situation. Given the rather limited democracy that we have.
However, we could shout a bit louder when the government's actions go against what is publicly perceived be for the better good of the country.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Except for the referendum in 1975....

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Now who's trying to smear? Ah, the old "If he's not one of us, he's one of them jibe. "

My earlier comment is fair, noone (but a tiny minority, mostly within the governement) believes the hook cleric situation has been properly dealt with.

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That hardly counts for peanuts as people never knew what they were in for, and besides, that was long before my time. ;)
I'd like to cast my vote on the EU..

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No, I was pointing out that it works both ways - or do you think it's ok for you to make accusations, and not others?

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Wow, you think that Abu-Hamza was dealt with just like any other UK citizen ?

Excuse me whilst I pmsl. https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/01/63.gif

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I think its quite preposterous that the discussion could be hijacked by any defense whatsoever, of that decrepit individual, even if it did mean that Sparkle was to stand corrected in that a little more than nothing was being done about Abu-Hamza.
Really, who cares if a little more than "nothing" is being done. Its irrelevant, t'is it not? The handling of that case was/is utterly shambolic !

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he got 7 years ,his sentance has finished but he is being held on remand pending extradition to the usa where no doubt he will be serving more time

and by the way all his assets have been liquidised to recover the costs of his defence as per Lord justice Hughes order in 2007 so i think he has been dealt with

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

The UK can't extradite him yet, ECHR says so.

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Good, one down - another few thousand to go.
If it were up to me I'd have unleashed the water cannon and rubber batons on the lot of them. https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/01/61.gif

If only we could build 50,000 tonne displacement, double-decker banana boats.https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/01/62.gif

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I thought they had allowed it because he won't be charged on capital crimes and they agreed to not to send him to a supermax prison and the only remaining obstacle was his citizenship case which was resolved in november

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The British public wants to extradite the hook cleric.


http://www.helenthornber.com/wp-cont...uterSaysNo.jpg

Lets see, uh ECHR says No.

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Who are "them", please?#

btw, why "banana boats"?

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Its tongue in cheek, don't read too much into it.
By them, I'm referring to the minority of whom we invite into our country with the promise of a better life, but yet seem to hate us so much.

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I never said he was an illegal, I know he was given UK citizenship, but he was originally from Egypt. The fact that such a vile individual can be granted UK citizenship, only sanctifies the notion that the whole immigration system here is shambolic and in need of rethinking.

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It has nothing to do with immigration ,he wasn't an immigrant as such he was one of those students you love so much studying engineering i believe and got his uk passport by virtue of his marriage when he was a bouncer in a club and before he started preaching ,so that had no bearing on his citizenship

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lol, a UK immigrant and this has nothing to do with immigration...
Marty mate, what have you been smoking ? https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/01/59.gif
Can you spare some?

Of course he's an immigrant, he's from Egypt and now he's in the UK. Whether he came over on a student visa, or sailed up the Clyde on a banana boat if of no relevance whatsoever.
Shall I give up? https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/01/60.gif

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Please.....

btw, what is your obsession with banana boats?

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again you are showing little grasp of the subject ,you said

When he entered on a student visa in 1979 the immigration system you are blaming for letting him in didn't exist in the form we know it today and back then he wasn't the vile individual he is now or at least didn't exhibit any extremism then

so please continue


my whole point to you is try doing a bit of research before spouting off about deporting people on banana boats ,i agree that man is a thoroughly unpleasent individual but as far as i am concerend he has been dealt with as i would expect any British citizen to have been dealt with

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I always thought they were quite fun (from http://www.boatsdepot.org/boats/types/banana.asp).

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Well said!

You know, it occurs to me that if we jailed everyone who spouts vile bigoted drivel there would be one less poster on this forum.

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You've misunderstood, I know the situation. I've never implied it was known before he was granted citizenship the vile nature of his character.
Can you not see that the means to revoke one's citizenship as being part of the immigration system ? Who made it set in stone that once a person is granted citizenship that there is no risk of it being revoked?
In my view, there ought to be conditions attached to the granting of citizenship. To give an example, lets say you are granted a driving license.
If you abuse your privilege, then the license is revoked. Simples.
Why should it be different for immigrants? The whole system is in need of a serious rethink.

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*yawns*
Oh, well thats a cheap shot well below the belt and my comments are hardly comparable to the likes of the hook cleric preachings, please don't make me take the gloves off mate.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

If you say so. :rolleyes:

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Why, haven't you finished the washing up?

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so if we did manage to revoke his citizenship where would he go ? where would we send him on this banana boat you speak of .
What you fail to realise is that if we as a country accept someone into this country and give them citizenship we also accept the responsibility for them ,yes there are cases of deportation that have been successful but that is because they have somewhere to go

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In this thread ? Not in the very slightest. I'll give you time to reflect over your comments and have a serious rethink. If the public could see the comments you've made in defense of the hook cleric, you would risk being lynched at dawn, freedom of speech or not. Your stance really speaks for itself, without help from me or anyone else.

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Deport him to Egypt, job done.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

he's not a citizen of Egypt

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Clearly the Egyptians have more sense than we do.

What is your suggestion marty ?

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They can - this is a public forum.

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You really do suffer from chronic cranial rectal inversion, don't you? Is it congenital or environmental?

He has never defended the "hook cleric", he has defended the system of laws and rights that the man was dealt with under - the fact that you only see your viewpoint, and cannot consider that there can be any other, says so much about you.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Yep, the cable forum is the UK public...please pass the crack pipe..you've had enough.

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If your cerebral cortex were up to the task at hand, you'd see that I'm criticising the system which he and you defends with such vigor.

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lets see now my suggestion would be .....wait till he commits an offence or series of offences arrest him ,try him in court ,then if found guilty throw him in jail for about 7 years ....oh wait we did that silly me :dunce:

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

i.e the status quo.
My goodness, a fellow human being who can't see the problem with the current system. Science should study you.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

That sounds familiar. but what usually happens is the other person usually labels them with the term racist, bigot, or a xenophobe. leaving themselves as the normal one.

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and me don't forget me .

Look we all know the system isn't perfect ,any democratic system is a fluid one constantly changing to meet the requirements of present day society .Our system has undergone many changes over the last 30yrs or so mainly because the citizens have the right to question it and the government that implement it .If you don't like that or want that right removed so that we can deport anyone we don't like or speaks out against the government then i can furnish you with a list of countries that don't have any of our rights and don't allow anyone to question the system or government, would you be happier living in one of those?.
You say that you are criticising the system ,you have that right ,that is what Abu Hamza was doing untill he broke the law ,when he did that he was sent to jail ,if you do the same you will be sent to jail

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enlighten me as to exactly what is the problem

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Really?

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I think the problem is that the current system allows people to disagree with him, and let's others do things that he doesn't believe they should be allowed to.....

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

i see the old democracy and freedom is ok as long it agrees me line

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Am I in the right thread, i thought this was about students rioting?

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Yup - If this carries on much longer it might have to be renamed "forum members rioting".. :D

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According to some here no students have been rioting, just protesting exuberantly :erm:

Anyway AFAIK the next big protest is about the 28th of January. It'll be interesting to see if the sentence given to Mr Fire Extinguisher has finally caused the penny to drop that protesting is ok but when you get violent then 99% of the time the police win.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Oh bum - I am in London 27th and 28th.....

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The fact that you feel the need to say that says the same about you. I have stated that in this, I am on the students side, but that I disagree with those who are using it as an excuse for a riot.

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Me too.

However have no doubt that the fact that students have finally got together to protest is a real indication of dissent and unrest as they haven't bothered for a very long time.In fact I was surprised at how little comment came from students when student loans were brought in, let alone any protesting about it.They were mighty silent on the whole.

I'm wondering what is different this time.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

A word of advice - if a "student" says he's "throwing a cocktail party" and invites you, walk away.

Re: Students Rioting in London.
 

Well, Charlie Gilmour's been charged:
A mannequin leg? :erm:

Link

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Lets hope the photographic evidence sees him jailed.

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I bet he felt a dummy......:D

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And I thought it would be:

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It was originally going to bebut I thought better of it.....

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Big day tomorrow. Fees demo starts at Malet street (just near Russel square station) around noon. Anyone else coming?

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I expect these boys (and girls) will be there.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/01/20.jpg

Have fun and try to behave. ;)

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She looks like trouble. she needs to calm down a bit.

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[Andy Gray]
She's just excited about being allowed out the kitchen for a day.
[/Andy Gray]

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I really hope I'm missing something here, I always thought foreign students had to pay their fees up front.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-pay-fees.html

I thought that was the point in having them here in the first place.
It seems we're funding eastern europeans tuition fees until they're earning £21K a year. My dear Lord...

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She's just showing the protesters her "war face".*

*shameless "full metal jacket" reference

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Non-EU students. One of my local colleges has a very high proportion of Chinese and Libyan students and by all accounts makes a fortune out of them.

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Yes, the uni I used to attend is also now full of chinese students - and they bring in a fortune. I suspected it was probably just the eu nationals we're paying for, but still I think that's madness. When did we sign up to this? EU referendum anyone?

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I can't work out whether she's shouting "Who are ya!" or "I'll have ya!"