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TheDaddy 30-01-2011 17:57
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Originally Posted by Uncle Peter (Post 35162017)
I think that's probably the idea and I suspect Chelsea knew that they didn't have a hope in hell of signing him just as we have no real intention of letting him go to the plastic flag brigade. Low trick though because it negates the key threat in a game they're always afraid of (the one in just over a week's time), especially a Chelsea team in it's current state of decline. Anyway the lads now got a few months to reflect on his decision.
Hmm I am starting to see a trend here, Luiz, Torres, Agurra(sp) all have had bids made way below asking price, they have to sign one in this window or with a bit of luck they'll become a laughing stock.

yesman 30-01-2011 17:57
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Whatever is going on at Craven Cottage ?

Fulham 3 up already

DocDutch 30-01-2011 18:13
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such a shame was hoping for county to win against ****** but we had a lucky goal and i'm just shocked that ****** got away with a load of fouls of which some have been very hard.

iadom 30-01-2011 21:21
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35162021)
Probably tie of the round in that it's the lowest positioned team in England vs the highest. That said Crawley are quite rich and have been buying players way above the norm for the Conference. The commentators were promoting it as the magic of the cup when they went though at the expense of Torquay but it shouldn't have been a surprise. Torquay are only one devision ahead of them and have significantly less to spend.


Its reported that Crawley spent more in the past 12 months than all of the Div 2 teams put together.:rolleyes:

Damien 30-01-2011 21:55
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Originally Posted by iadom (Post 35162159)
Its reported that Crawley spent more in the past 12 months than all of the Div 2 teams put together.:rolleyes:
Yup. I was driving and listening to the game on 5 Live and they were hyping it up as the 'magic of the cup', referring constantly to 'non-league Crawley' beating a side above them. Absurd. It was the expected result.

Niles Crane 30-01-2011 22:04
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These two articles sum up why Crawley's success isn't a fairytale like some might make out:

The club: http://twofootedtackle.com/fa-cup/wh...in-the-fa-cup/

The manager: http://www.twohundredpercent.net/?p=8698

Some excerpts:

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Crawley have spent close to £500,000 on assembling a team for “project promotion”. In contrast, Torquay’s record signing was £75,000 on Leon Constantine in 2004. As Barney Ronay notes, Crawley spent more than that on striker Richard Brodie alone. Their budget is likely to be higher than the majority of League Two teams and some in League One.

Crawley, up until this season, have never been flushed with cash. Indeed, much of their time since winning promotion to the Conference in 2004 has been spent battling assorted financial difficulties, while for a time, it was a rare season that didn’t see the Sussex club deducted points for some form of financial problems.

In 2009 Crawley supporters Bruce Winfield and Susan Carter took control of the club, paid off their debts and with it came a level of stability not previously seen around the Broadfield Stadium. This summer, however, Crawley suddenly became the division’s big spenders after Winfield brought in outside investors (although the club has regularly declined to name who these are).

Suddenly, Crawley were like a kid in the proverbial sweet shop. The aforementioned Brodie arrived from York City, along with other high-profile signings Matt Tubbs from Salisbury and Sergio Torres from Peterborough. Crawley had the cash to buy anybody they wanted and were rebuffed in a move for AFC Wimbledon’s captain Danny Kedwell, a bid that has kicked off numerous spats and ill-feeling between the two clubs.
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Why, though, is Steve Evans so despised? It’s easy, from a distance, to assume that the ongoing antipathy towards Evans is an antipathy like any other. An abrasive “larger than life” character will always stir up negative emotions in the supporters of other clubs, but Evans seems to strike something baser – a raw nerve that provokes florid and colourful streams of abuse, something that makes others desperately hopeful to see him fail. There may be an element of truth in this interpretation of the dislike of him, but it seems likely that much of the hatred of Steve Evans is based on something more tangible. Because Steve Evans is a convicted criminal, part of a scam that took a club from the middle ground of the non-league game into the Football League and, moreover, for many non-league supporters, he is also the man that, in spite of his criminal record, for many people, got away with it.

Arthurgray50@blu 30-01-2011 23:05
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I am absolutely delighted by the performance of Crawley and there determiantion to play football with passion, heart and guts for there club, thats more than l cay say about Spurs, who were totally gutless, and there performance was a disgrace to that famous white shirt.

Crawley, have got the tie of dreams, good luck to them, with Spurs on todays performance, they will end up with nothing - totally shocking Tottenham.

yesman 30-01-2011 23:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 35162171)
These two articles sum up why Crawley's success isn't a fairytale like some might make out:

The club: http://twofootedtackle.com/fa-cup/wh...in-the-fa-cup/

The manager: http://www.twohundredpercent.net/?p=8698

Some excerpts:
And here is the article on Evans....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...ball-club.html

But anyway, let's hope Crawley have a good day out and are beaten by a cricket score.

Matty_ 31-01-2011 01:13
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Originally Posted by yesman (Post 35162237)
But anyway, let's hope Crawley have a good day out and are beaten by a cricket score.
0-0 is a cricket score, wouldn`t bet the house on it though :D

Niles Crane 31-01-2011 02:28
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Sorry, but i can't resist posting this:

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/1278/kzcnv.jpg

TheDaddy 31-01-2011 07:32
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Wow

Spurs have had a staggering £38.5m bid for Atletico Madrid forward Sergio Aguero rejected.
Full story: Sky Sports

Shadow Demon UK 31-01-2011 12:32
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Liverpool have had a £30million bid for Andy Carroll rejected. Surely hes not worth that much!

Damien 31-01-2011 12:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35162460)
Liverpool have had a £30million bid for Andy Carroll rejected. Surely hes not worth that much!
He really isn't! Absurd. This is why English players are usually poor buys, so overvalued.

Shadow Demon UK 31-01-2011 12:42
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Makes Darren Bent look cheap

Uncle Peter 31-01-2011 12:42
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I believe it was actually £25M but knock another £10M off that and it's a step closer to reality. Welcome to the January transfer window!

Shadow Demon UK 31-01-2011 14:40
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Theres talk that Torres to Chelsea is on and its just the contract thats being sorted now. Forlan to Spurs as well...

Don't you just love deadline day :)

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35162343)
Wow

Spurs have had a staggering £38.5m bid for Atletico Madrid forward Sergio Aguero rejected.
Full story: Sky Sports

Hes just signed a contract extension so going nowhere.

Damien 31-01-2011 16:18
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Newcastle have accepted a bid of £35 Million for Andy Carroll. I am not kidding, Liverpool will pay £35 Million for Carroll.

This will be a record for a British Player, higher than Rooney and Rio Ferdinand, I think and a lot of the fee for Torres. Bent was over £10 million cheaper, David Villa was cheaper for Barcelona. Villa is a top class striker who has won the world cup. It's not that much less than Barcelona would have had to buy Cesc Fabregas. Man City spent £27 million on Dzeko.

It is insane. He is nowhere near as good as that or has the ability to be worth it. He will never be worth more than this. It's crazy, Liverpool have no idea on the worth of footballers!

DocDutch 31-01-2011 16:22
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strange things do happen in the world of football...

Uncle Peter 31-01-2011 16:24
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There won't be many more transfer windows where this sort of money is splashed around so it's all happening now!

At least Paul Konchesky has gone anyway. I hope his mam approves of how people in Nottingham talk.

Damien 31-01-2011 16:26
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£35 Million for Andy Carroll. Andy. Carroll. It's beyond understanding, even if he turns out to be great he is not worth £35 million. Not to mention he has a lot of baggage.

Shadow Demon UK 31-01-2011 16:29
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Its desperation, they know Torres is going so need a replacement. If Torres wasn't leaving i highly doubt they would be bidding £35million for him.

Damien 31-01-2011 16:30
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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35162715)
Its desperation, they know Torres is going so need a replacement. If Torres wasn't leaving i highly doubt they would be bidding £35million for him.
Even so. Plenty of other options at those prices and even if there isn't there is no hurry. They won't make top 4 or bottom 3. Wait until the summer...Absurd.

Uncle Peter 31-01-2011 16:32
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He's been watched for sometime and probably would have been a summer target but that amount of money is pretty ridiculous. The owners certainly don't mess about when it comes to splashing the cash but it's not exactly moneyball. Pretty gobsmacked here.

DocDutch 31-01-2011 16:35
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yeah but as been said 35m for Carroll... wouldnt even say 15m.

For 35m you can get some really decent strikers way better then Carroll.

Uncle Peter 31-01-2011 16:45
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Originally Posted by DocDutch (Post 35162725)
yeah but as been said 35m for Carroll... wouldnt even say 15m.

For 35m you can get some really decent strikers way better then Carroll.
That's the problem with hitting the panic button especially when the selling club knows how much is in the pot. You could say that Torres isn't worth £50M based on recent form.. I'd rather Roman's wealth wasn't redistributed to Mike Ashley though.

TheDaddy 31-01-2011 17:15
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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35162586)
Hes just signed a contract extension so going nowhere.
Spanish clubs are different to English, they all have release fees in their contracts, by signing a new deal he has got himself a payrise and reduced his release fee, just like Torres did just before he joined Liverpool.

Damien 31-01-2011 17:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35162763)
Spanish clubs are different to English, they all have release fees in their contracts, by signing a new deal he has got himself a payrise and reduced his release fee, just like Torres did just before he joined Liverpool.
But their release fees aren't legally binding. Spurs can bid for above the release clause and nothing will happen.

TheDaddy 31-01-2011 18:30
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35162792)
But their release fees aren't legally binding. Spurs can bid for above the release clause and nothing will happen.
Err why would they do that and release fee clauses are legally binding in the sense that if a club bids that amount or more they must allow the player to talk to the club.

Damien 31-01-2011 18:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35162832)
Err why would they do that and release fee clauses are legally binding in the sense that if a club bids that amount or more they must allow the player to talk to the club.
Not in Spain. It's weird.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...l?eref=writers

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When you apply the law legally, it is a different price.

That means one of two things, both of which increase the price. Firstly, it can mean adding the VAT at 18 percent. In the past, clubs have agreed to include VAT in the invoice for a player's transfer (which of course can be claimed back from the state). Now, if the bid is hostile, they will not. In other words, the buying club will have to pay the clause plus the 18 percent. So, Aguero's price rises from €45M to €53.1M.

The other option is for a club to simply refuse to sell -- until, that is, it is forced to.... A player (not the club) deposits the money, the value of the buyout clause, at the Spanish league and unilaterally breaks his contract. That money, of course, would be given to him by the buying club in order to buy himself out. The problem is that as soon as that money hits his account it counts as income -- even if it is then deposited elsewhere. And so it is liable to taxation at 44 percent. In other words, the €45M is the amount left after taxation. That is to say that Aguero's overall cost is €80.2M ($109M).

The other factor that's significant is that the buyout clause is a Spanish agreement. When it comes to international transfers -- to bids from aboard like the one supposedly from Chelsea -- it is irrelevant. Except as a symbolic price, a reference point from which you can negotiate.

nffc 31-01-2011 18:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Peter (Post 35162705)
There won't be many more transfer windows where this sort of money is splashed around so it's all happening now!

At least Paul Konchesky has gone anyway. I hope his mam approves of how people in Nottingham talk.
We talk normally so it shouldn't be a problem :D

Niles Crane 31-01-2011 20:04
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Liverpool fans filmed burning Torres' shirt. Shirt burning is so passe.

Damien 31-01-2011 20:20
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Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 35162931)
Liverpool fans filmed burning Torres' shirt. Shirt burning is so passe.
Presumably they brought it at the club shop? The morons are burning their own shirts!

Derek 31-01-2011 20:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35162943)
Presumably they brought it at the club shop? The morons are burning their own shirts!
Standby for a rash of reports of Liverpool shirts being shoplifted or stolen from washing lines... ;)

Rangers appear to be on the verge of getting El Hadji Diouf on loan. :( I'd rather not, even without his past history with the Orc fans I think he's trouble and don't want him associated with my club.

Uncle Peter 31-01-2011 20:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nffc (Post 35162868)
We talk normally so it shouldn't be a problem :D
Worra ya sayin laz?

;)

Niles Crane 31-01-2011 20:45
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Bent for £24m, Carroll for £35m. It's hard to adequately express how ridiculously overpriced English players can be.

But to put it in perspective:

Inter received Samuel Eto'o AND £40m in exchange for Ibrahimovic.

Barcelona bought David Villa for £34m.

Chelsea bought Didier Drogba for £24m.

Arsenal bought Robin Van Persie for £2.75m.

Neither Bent or Carroll are fit to lick any of the above player's boots and there are countless other examples.

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Oh, and courtesy of Rohan Ricketts on Twitter:

Torres = £50m

Carroll = £35m

Szczesny-Clichy-Djourou-Vermaelen-Sagna -Nasri -Walcott -Fabregas -Song -Wilshere - RVP = £44m

superbiatch 31-01-2011 21:15
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How pathetic burning shirts?! The guy wants to go ffs, in my mind he's already gone. I had been wondering what was behind his recent improvement on the pitch and now it seems apparent. But 35m for Carroll :shocked:

Damien 31-01-2011 21:19
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I want to know who was behind the decision to pay £35 million for Andy Carroll? Kenny, Damien Comelli or the owners?

Derek 31-01-2011 21:22
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35162997)
I want to know who was behind the decision to pay £35 million for Andy Carroll? Kenny, Damien Comelli or the owners?
Probably this guy.

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I'm firmly of the believe no-one is worth £30 Mil. Especially not Carroll. If this keeps up surely the whole financial house of cards English football is built on can't be long from coming crashing down spectacularly.

Damien 31-01-2011 23:02
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Arsenal's Bartley on loan to Rangers. Hope he gets some playing time.

Derek 31-01-2011 23:03
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35163099)
Arsenal's Bartley on loan to Rangers. Hope he gets some playing time.
Is he any good?

Damien 31-01-2011 23:15
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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35163100)
Is he any good?
Seen him play rarely, not too shabby, certainly a good prospect for the future but it's anyones guess how well he will do for Rangers though. Not sure if he'll be first team, probably defensive cover.

DocDutch 31-01-2011 23:16
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Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35163003)
Probably this guy.

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001...et_xlarge.jpeg

I'm firmly of the believe no-one is worth £30 Mil. Especially not Carroll. If this keeps up surely the whole financial house of cards English football is built on can't be long from coming crashing down spectacularly.
The house of cards of English football has gone beyond silly for ages now, even in the championship players aren't really selling below 1mil, now look elsewhere in Europe and other then some exceptions nobody really sells for more then 20mil, its only the big names like Ronaldo (overrated and way over valued) and some others that are worth spending that kinda money.

oh and as Niles Crane has said for the 35 or 50mil you can buy a whole squad but then some of those players Niles Arsenal managed to get on the cheap but if selling now VP would go for 20m or a bit higher even but not much.

Derek 31-01-2011 23:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35163110)
Seen him play rarely, not too shabby, certainly a good prospect for the future but it's anyones guess how well he will do for Rangers though. Not sure if he'll be first team, probably defensive cover.
The team is stretched thinner than a very thin thing after a crash diet. With several rescheduled league games, both cups and Europe still to play for he's pretty much guaranteed a couple of games at the minimum.

gazzae 31-01-2011 23:18
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Whoops
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...do-Torres.html

Damien 31-01-2011 23:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DocDutch (Post 35163112)
The house of cards of English football has gone beyond silly for ages now, even in the championship players aren't really selling below 1mil, now look elsewhere in Europe and other then some exceptions nobody really sells for more then 20mil, its only the big names like Ronaldo (overrated and way over valued) and some others that are worth spending that kinda money.

oh and as Niles Crane has said for the 35 or 50mil you can buy a whole squad but then some of those players Niles Arsenal managed to get on the cheap but if selling now VP would go for 20m or a bit higher even but not much.
This transfer window makes it perfectly obvious why Wenger doesn't like buying English players though. Bent = 24 million and Carroll for £35 million. It takes quite something to top the stupid transfer fees in Football but Liverpool have pulled it off.

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oh and as Niles Crane has said for the 35 or 50mil you can buy a whole squad but then some of those players Niles Arsenal managed to get on the cheap but if selling now VP would go for 20m or a bit higher even but not much.
They pulled them off cheap but they weren't hyped English players and they weren't established. Much cheaper but if the likes of Chelsea and Man City and keep paying players at the top of their games you wonder what the advantage is.

Incidentally one of Arsenal's targets, Hazard, would cost us £20 million or more to buy.

Also, are Spurs really not going to buy anyone? 'Arry's gonna explode :erm:

Shadow Demon UK 31-01-2011 23:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DocDutch (Post 35163112)
its only the big names like Ronaldo (overrated and way over valued) and some others that are worth spending that kinda money.
65 goals in 68 games for Madrid, how can you overrate him?



It was interesting to see United linked with Charlie Adam today, i wonder if there was any truth in it at all. Looks like hes staying put for now anyway.

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Newcaslte are apparently trying so sign Nzogbia and/or Elmander to replace Carroll. A bit late in the day probably...

gazzae 31-01-2011 23:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35163129)
65 goals in 68 games for Madrid, how can you overrate him?



It was interesting to see United linked with Charlie Adam today, i wonder if there was any truth in it at all. Looks like hes staying put for now anyway.

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Newcaslte are apparently trying so sign Nzogbia and/or Elmander to replace Carroll. A bit late in the day probably...

It really is remarkable when you see Ronaldo and Messi's records this season.

Ronaldo has 22 goals in 21 league matches
Messi has 21 goals in 18 league matches

Damien 31-01-2011 23:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gazzae (Post 35163138)
It really is remarkable when you see Ronaldo and Messi's records this season.

Ronaldo has 22 goals in 21 league matches
Messi has 21 goals in 18 league matches
Messi is a better player than Ronaldo. However the two of them are far better than anyone else. It's incredible.

gazzae 31-01-2011 23:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35163143)
Messi is a better player than Ronaldo. However the two of them are far better than anyone else. It's incredible.
Well apart from Berba who has 19 in 20. ;)

Damien 01-02-2011 00:09
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SSN reporting Spurs are in for Charlie Adam. LOL!. Typical. Harry has an addiction I tell you.

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Spurs did come in but it's too late apparently. Saved really, I think they did it for the sake of getting a transfer. Another midfielder would have ben insane.

nffc 01-02-2011 00:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35162997)
I want to know who was behind the decision to pay £35 million for Andy Carroll? Kenny, Damien Comelli or the owners?
Probably konchesky's mum.

Niles Crane 01-02-2011 00:46
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Spurs' approach in the last few days has been interesting to say the least. They've just been biding left, right and centre for many players and embarrassingly been knocked back every time.

Rossi, Adam, Forlan, Aguero, Negredo, Phil Neville.

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Torres interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHlm_Vk5aBQ

Shadow Demon UK 01-02-2011 00:48
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Its like Harry was worried he wasn't centre of attention on transfer deadline day for once and felt he had to do something.

Uncle Peter 01-02-2011 01:08
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on the lfc.tv home page poor old Kenny looks like he hasn't slept for a week. Marina must have forgotten to pack his leccy razor.

Russ 01-02-2011 08:20
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It has to be said, how funny would it be if Liverpool after spending more than £50m still turn out to be crap :D

I have to say though, Torres to Chelsea worried me slightly. He was never going to be anything much at Liverpool (granted his first season was really good) but in a team like Chelsea and with the potential of Roman's chequebook, I think we might see their resurgence soon.

Damien 01-02-2011 09:59
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35163298)
It has to be said, how funny would it be if Liverpool after spending more than £50m still turn out to be crap :D

I have to say though, Torres to Chelsea worried me slightly. He was never going to be anything much at Liverpool (granted his first season was really good) but in a team like Chelsea and with the potential of Roman's chequebook, I think we might see their resurgence soon.
Torres was fine until the midfield broke down, after Alonso left they became dramatically less effective, as did the service to Torres.

Shadow Demon UK 01-02-2011 23:11
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You'll be hard pushed to see a better goal from a centre back this season than the one Vidic scored tonight, great strike!

Damien 01-02-2011 23:33
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Relived Arsenal managed to come back to win their game. Tense last few moments.

TheDaddy 02-02-2011 08:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 35163178)
Spurs' approach in the last few days has been interesting to say the least. They've just been biding left, right and centre for many players and embarrassingly been knocked back every time.

Rossi, Adam, Forlan, Aguero, Negredo, Phil Neville.
The Phil Neville one was embarrassing, £250k is taking the pish imo

Damien 02-02-2011 10:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 35163178)
Spurs' approach in the last few days has been interesting to say the least. They've just been biding left, right and centre for many players and embarrassingly been knocked back every time.

Rossi, Adam, Forlan, Aguero, Negredo, Phil Neville.
It is very funny and/or weird! Most of those there are actually understandable, Spurs need a top class striker and decent defenders wouldn't go amiss. What is odd is the shotgun approach they took, someone on Twitter likened it to Spurs chasing every striker in Spain to the theme of Benny Hill. Aguero and especially Forlan would have been great buys for Spurs. Perfect Buys.

You wonder why they leave transfers so late? I am guessing Brinkmanship on the part of Levy to bring prices down but the figures quoted suggest desperation more than anything. Also you have to consider, as we now see with Carroll, it actually drives the cost up as teams need to be compensated for the loss of a player so soon to the deadline. Bids that might otherwise be accepted will be rejected due to the selling club being unable to replace the player in the time remaining.

Whilst it may be a cliché to suggest Harry Redknapp is obsessed with buying players it has to be said the bid for Charlie Adam was beyond reason. It suggests that, having seen all the deadline deals fall though (Forlan, Aguero, and Phil Neville), they decided they had to buy someone, anyone, and went for yet another midfielder they don't need. I was watching Sky Sports and he had phoned up the presenters to tell them the deal had fallen though. What manager does that? It's Bizarre and I wonder what they hoped to achieve...

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35164429)
The Phil Neville one was embarrassing, £250k is taking the pish imo
What do you think of Keane coming to West Ham?

TheDaddy 02-02-2011 16:10
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35164456)

What do you think of Keane coming to West Ham?
Tbh I am quite please with all our business in the window, Keane still has a bit left in the tank, Ba has all the attributes, we have needed a left back all season and O'Neill is a perfect swop for Behrami (who probably financed all our spending despite the pornographers promises about making £10m avaliable). I think we have given ourselves a chance where as some of our rivals like Wigan and Wolves lack of activity looks like they have resigned themselves to relegation, we have a couple of really good players coming back from injury any time to in Hitzlsberger and Collison to.

Damien 02-02-2011 16:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35164829)
Tbh I am quite please with all our business in the window, Keane still has a bit left in the tank, Ba has all the attributes, we have needed a left back all season and O'Neill is a perfect swop for Behrami (who probably financed all our spending despite the pornographers promises about making £10m avaliable). I think we have given ourselves a chance where as some of our rivals like Wigan and Wolves lack of activity looks like they have resigned themselves to relegation, we have a couple of really good players coming back from injury any time to in Hitzlsberger and Collison to.
Do you buy the conspiracy theories that the West Ham owners want to get regulated? Argument being that they can buy the rest of the shares at a reduced rate and they have release clauses in the contracts of players they would rather get rid off. Take the parachute payments and come back the next year...

TheDaddy 02-02-2011 17:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35164849)
Do you buy the conspiracy theories that the West Ham owners want to get regulated? Argument being that they can buy the rest of the shares at a reduced rate and they have release clauses in the contracts of players they would rather get rid off. Take the parachute payments and come back the next year...
No not really, a lot of the big earners like Dyer (£80k a week) are out of contract at the end of the season anyway and they are already 70% shareholders.

yesman 02-02-2011 19:53
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Everyone's favourite full back has retired.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/9385692.stm

TheDaddy 02-02-2011 20:03
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yesman (Post 35164997)
Everyone's favourite full back has retired.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/9385692.stm
I thought he retired before the West Brom match :shrug:

Damien 02-02-2011 20:12
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yesman (Post 35164997)
Everyone's favourite full back has retired.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/9385692.stm
Much Respect. :clap: Surprised he retired so suddenly though.

Mal 02-02-2011 20:57
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yesman (Post 35164997)
Everyone's favourite full back has retired.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/9385692.stm
My hero :nworthy:

TheDaddy 02-02-2011 20:58
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35165024)
Much Respect. :clap: Surprised he retired so suddenly though.
I'll show him the same respect as he showed everyone else and it's not so surprising when you look at his performances this season

Shadow Demon UK 02-02-2011 23:20
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Great player, united through and through and a great servant to the club. Hopefully he goes into coaching/management, although i wouldn't mind seeing him on tv so he can continue to annoy people, which is always hilarious reading/listening to.

TheDaddy 02-02-2011 23:40
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35165220)
Great player, united through and through and a great servant to the club. Hopefully he goes into coaching/management, although i wouldn't mind seeing him on tv so he can continue to annoy people, which is always hilarious reading/listening to.
He may well end up on tv, Sky Sports have a vacancy for a new ar$ehole...

Scary 02-02-2011 23:53
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
great player you will be missed Gary especially against liverpool i loved listening to the boo's

superbiatch 03-02-2011 20:10
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scary (Post 35165277)
great player you will be missed Gary especially against liverpool i loved listening to the boo's
And we'll miss booing too! Still, hope he doesn't fill one of those vacancies on Sky Sports, his face is more suited to radio commentary :D

Scary 03-02-2011 20:33
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
you have someone else to boo now

he's half a boy he's half a girl torres torres, he looks just like a transvestite torres torres, he wears a frock he loves the cock he sells his asre on the albert dock, fernando torres carraghers old bit on the side.
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Uncle Peter 03-02-2011 22:57
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Pick that burger up on the way out Gary lad.

TheDaddy 03-02-2011 23:05
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by superbiatch (Post 35166069)
And we'll miss booing too! Still, hope he doesn't fill one of those vacancies on Sky Sports, his face is more suited to radio commentary :D
That's why he should've been made England captain after Terry got sacked, not much chance of him pulling one of the wives and girlfriends...

Shadow Demon UK 03-02-2011 23:25
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by superbiatch (Post 35166069)
And we'll miss booing too! Still, hope he doesn't fill one of those vacancies on Sky Sports, his face is more suited to radio commentary :D
I'm sure he would be better than Carragher who was on soccer saturday the other week, for a start we won't need subtitles to understand what hes saying.

ChrisLUFC22 03-02-2011 23:30
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 35162953)
Bent for £24m, Carroll for £35m. It's hard to adequately express how ridiculously overpriced English players can be.

But to put it in perspective:

Inter received Samuel Eto'o AND £40m in exchange for Ibrahimovic.

Barcelona bought David Villa for £34m.

Chelsea bought Didier Drogba for £24m.

Arsenal bought Robin Van Persie for £2.75m.

Neither Bent or Carroll are fit to lick any of the above player's boots and there are countless other examples.[COLOR="Silver"]
So does Darren Bent's goalscoring record count for nothing? He's not perma-injured like Robin van Pers...sorry, RvP.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobbydaler (Post 35161634)
I am actually.

Gave you a run for your money.

Not that it will stop AF disrespecting lower sides by putting out his second team.

MU are, and always have been under his management, arrogant.
They, and SAF, can afford to be though ;)

Niles Crane 03-02-2011 23:50
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisLUFC22 (Post 35166263)
So does Darren Bent's goalscoring record count for nothing? He's not perma-injured like Robin van Pers...sorry, RvP.

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They, and SAF, can afford to be though ;)
Nope, his goals certainly do count. But there's a reason why Bent has never and almost certainly never will play for a top team or succeed at a team which plays anything other than basic, direct football. The top strikers have far more to their game than Bent does and that includes those who score less.

ChrisLUFC22 03-02-2011 23:56
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 35166293)
Nope, his goals certainly do count. But there's a reason why Bent has never and almost certainly never will play for a top team or succeed at a team which plays anything other than basic, direct football. The top strikers have far more to their game than Bent does and that includes those who score less.
...Maybe. But, and this is the biggie, he scores goals, and lots of them. That's something every team needs, surely?
Look at this way, if Darren Bent scores 20+ goals (next season), which is he capable of doing, and, I dunno, Villa fluke a Champs League place, surely that's value for money? Big if's and buts I accept, but he is a proven scorer at Prem level.

Niles Crane 04-02-2011 00:14
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisLUFC22 (Post 35166304)
...Maybe. But, and this is the biggie, he scores goals, and lots of them. That's something every team needs, surely?
Look at this way, if Darren Bent scores 20+ goals (next season), which is he capable of doing, and, I dunno, Villa fluke a Champs League place, surely that's value for money? Big if's and buts I accept, but he is a proven scorer at Prem level.
They're such big ifs and buts, i can't answer the question. If Villa made the CL, it clearly wouldn't just be down to his goals. If he'd be able to provide more to his game, maybe it actually would be possible.

For £24m, i'd expect a striker who scores, assists, links up play, etc. He only does the former to any great level, as his opta stats will back-up. Like i said; hence why the biggest and best teams have never once shown an interest in him. At least Andy Carroll, to some degree, has shown he's got a bit of depth to his game.

ChrisLUFC22 04-02-2011 00:26
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
I'm not saying I disagree, but whichever team buys him are gonna get goals, and lots of 'em, yes he is lousy at everything else, but compared to some transfers, his fee isn't that bad. And I do like Andy Carroll, typical No.9 but I think £35m is slightly inflated..But, again, he has massve potential and if he gets 20-25 goals for the next 5 years, that equates to £7m a season. Not a bad figure to pay for (potentially) that amount of goals.

TheDaddy 04-02-2011 00:38
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisLUFC22 (Post 35166263)
They, and SAF, can afford to be though ;)
No amount of trophies or money can buy class though, there is never a need to be arrogant imo.

Anyway as some of you may be aware the popular BBC 606 sports forums are closing soon due to the budget cuts, luckily a replacement has been launched....

http://www.new-606.co.uk/index.php

Thanks Russ btw.

Uncle Peter 04-02-2011 01:21
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Strange old bit of logic applied to that transfer window. There's no way Torres was worth £50M based on current form but that was the asking price because he was "not for sale" and it's what what City probably would have paid in an intevitable summer bidding war. Similarly Andy Carroll was "not for sale" being Newcastle's key goalscoring threat but Mike Ashley knew what the remaining cash balance would have been after the signing of Luis Suarez so that became the going rate.

To summarise: Roman's wallet is £50M lighter on that one transfer, Ajax have a decent pot of cash to work their magic on some more young players/pay off some debt, Newcastle have a pot of cash to strengthen their squad providing Ashely doesn't blow it all at the roulette table and Liverpool have 2 good players. Everyone's a winner.

Russ 04-02-2011 08:14
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cobbydaler (Post 35161634)
.

MU are, and always have been under his management, arrogant.
Arrogance wins trophies :shrug:

SAF, Mourinho, Wenger etc

Pog66 04-02-2011 13:15
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uncle Peter (Post 35166394)
Newcastle have a pot of cash to strengthen their squad providing Ashely doesn't blow it all at the roulette table and Liverpool have 2 good players. Everyone's a winner.
Everyone's a winner presuming Newcastle don't blow it and get relegated ;) , they can't spend teh money until the summer now. That really will burn a hole in Ashley's packet...poker anyone

DocDutch 05-02-2011 16:20
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
why do I have the funny feeling that Newcastle are in trouble????

Newcastle vs Arsenal started at 1500 and the Toon are already 0-3 down.

Damien 05-02-2011 17:56
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DocDutch (Post 35167714)
why do I have the funny feeling that Newcastle are in trouble????

Newcastle vs Arsenal started at 1500 and the Toon are already 0-3 down.
They don't have a first team striker I don't think. It would be unfair to suggest that this is their season from now on though. They were with Carroll for weeks prior to the transfer, they can cope.

This game isn't over yet but the first goal may have disrupted their plans somewhat. I am guessing that they were going to try and hold Arsenal at bay and go for a draw, maybe get a break.

They are now 4 - 0 down as I wrote that. Ouch.

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4 - 4 Shambles from Arsenal.

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First time a team has ever lost a 4 - 0 lead in the Premiership.

SB_07 05-02-2011 17:56
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
I'm lost for words. So angry.

Spurs and City won as well.....

superbiatch 05-02-2011 18:07
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Can't wait for MOTD day tonight, not one 0-0 (so far) :)

Russ 05-02-2011 18:21
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
LMAO @ Arsenal :rofl:

SB_07 05-02-2011 18:38
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
United 1-0 up already. Title race over.

DocDutch 05-02-2011 18:42
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
you gotta be joking :( how can we lose a 4-0 head start... would've thought it would end 8-0 or something like that.

Central defence again...... giving away 2 pens which from reading looked a bit on the soft side and Diaby reacting a bit to Joey Barton. silly git.

Damien 05-02-2011 18:50
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DocDutch (Post 35167837)
you gotta be joking :( how can we lose a 4-0 head start... would've thought it would end 8-0 or something like that.

Central defence again...... giving away 2 pens which from reading looked a bit on the soft side and Diaby reacting a bit to Joey Barton. silly git.
The 2nd one wasn't even soft, was simply not a penalty. Heaven knows what the ref saw...

SB_07 05-02-2011 18:52
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Djourou going off injured was a major turning point, he's been great this season. Diaby was stupid to react but Barton's tackle was shocking and he didn't even get booked for it. Even with all that there is no way that should have ended in a draw.

I really do fear what Barca will do to us now.

DocDutch 05-02-2011 19:09
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
barca will destroy us wenger should've bought a decent defender as what both kos and sci gets red cards every 2 games, vermaelen wont be back till the end of the season as he'll get another injury. And today shown us that there just isn't experience around the back 4 and goallie hasn't got much self confidence yet

SB_07 05-02-2011 19:15
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SB_07 (Post 35167835)
United 1-0 up already. Title race over.
2-1 Wolves now!

Damien 05-02-2011 19:16
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
The keeper didn't do anything wrong and until the 2nd half this team has been strong for a long time. The Barca game is a different game.

DocDutch 05-02-2011 19:22
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
damien i know the defence is solid enough but now djourou off injured as well doesn't really leaves us with much at the back

Damien 05-02-2011 19:28
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DocDutch (Post 35167886)
damien i know the defence is solid enough but now djourou off injured as well doesn't really leaves us with much at the back
It wasn't too bad was it? We'll see. I agree it's trouble if he is out as well.

SB_07 05-02-2011 19:33
Re: Football Season 2010/2011
 
Squillaci & Kos are an awful pairing. I wish we could have a Djourou/Vermin CB partnership that was 100% fit :(


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