Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35621783)

can't see what point you're trying to make .Obviously they are effective because you said more foxes are being killed :shrug:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35621789)

There not more effective at being humane, poorly strung snares will result in a slow lingering death or even limbs being gnawed of, being peppered but not blow away by shotgun pellets will result in a slow lingering death, being thwacked by a swooping eagle owl is gonna leave a mark and hurt.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35621793)

The only way to be 100% humane is to not kill them at all,the best of a bad world is to shoot the buggers not chase them across half the English countryside hurting or killing any passing pets injuring the horses and sometimes the riders in the hope of killing one

Originally Posted by broadbandking (Post 35622080)

Can anyone pro fox hunting actually tell me whats fun about it?

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35629128)

Called Drag hunting

A scent trail is laid down by a runner and then the dogs follow it. The runner tries to make the dogs confused by doubling back etc.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35629163)

How do you know what a Neanderthal sounded like? :scratch:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35629163)

How do you know what a Neanderthal sounded like? :scratch:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35629169)

I would assume animal like to be honest, i dont think they would have a very long conversation with you or have a very large vocabulary. Much like the goons that act as heavy's at fox hunts ;)

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35629093)

Chris packham wades in and says the reports of foxes going in houses and attacking people is basically bs

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wil...th-humans.html

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35629204)

He was on Jeremy Vine today saying that people should feed the Urban foxes because it will be the only wildlife they see living in a city ,i was under the impression that the foxes in the city had no problem finding food ,that is why they are there in the first place

Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35645176)

Corporate Lawyer living in a £1.5 million Victorian terraced house - she so out of touch with nature. Never mind love remember to keep you doors locked.

Dogs kill more children and adults than foxes ever will. But there wont be call to cull all or some dogs.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35645204)

Actually I think a radical reform of the Dangerous Dogs Act is essential, incluiding proper licensing of owners, chipping of dogs and an expanded schedule of banned breeds. Some form of DNA database allowing quick and effective judgment of whether an individual dog is banned, would also be good.

Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35645176)

Corporate Lawyer living in a £1.5 million Victorian terraced house - she so out of touch with nature. Never mind love remember to keep you doors locked.

Dogs kill more children and adults than foxes ever will. But there wont be call to cull all or some dogs.

Same Old Tory Boys - they had 17 years at ruining the country, and still are ... don't let them back ever again! Remember the Bankers they broke it - you pay for it!

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35645433)

It's the pinko signature that I've reproduced to which I'm reacting.

The socialists when in power for 13 years wasted opportunity and legislative time by banning fox hunting and setting up 440 quangos into which they put all their local Labour heroes as Chairmen for £100K/year each.

That tax-robbing turd Gordon Brown relaxed all the controls on banking and the country then slid into recession when the US system fell apart.

Dislike of Tories for whatever OTHER reason is your prerogative, but to pin the banking crisis on the Tories when out of power is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35645204)

Actually I think a radical reform of the Dangerous Dogs Act is essential, incluiding proper licensing of owners, chipping of dogs and an expanded schedule of banned breeds. Some form of DNA database allowing quick and effective judgment of whether an individual dog is banned, would also be good.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35748668)

Few things are quite such a grim site as seeing a bunch of twunts in their red and white twunt uniforms riding out to chase down, exhaust and in turn kill animals for fun.

I say repeal the ban on condition that it's made legal to hunt fox hunters using motor vehicles and guns. The odds are pretty much as fair for them on horses as they are for foxes being chased by them and a pack of dogs.

While we're at it ban all hunting that isn't hand to hand or sustenance. If people want to follow barbaric customs they can do it in the manner barbarians would, not with modern technology or the assistance of tamed animals.

Not a huge fan of horse riding to the extent it's done in the UK, nor the feudal system of land ownership generally.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748671)

what modern technology ?

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35748690)

I would hope the context is pretty clear that I'm referring to hunting in general, hence in the case of some of it hunting rifles and shotguns.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35748668)

Few things are quite such a grim site as seeing a bunch of twunts in their red and white twunt uniforms riding out to chase down, exhaust and in turn kill animals for fun.

I say repeal the ban on condition that it's made legal to hunt fox hunters using motor vehicles and guns. The odds are pretty much as fair for them on horses as they are for foxes being chased by them and a pack of dogs.

While we're at it ban all hunting that isn't hand to hand or sustenance. If people want to follow barbaric customs they can do it in the manner barbarians would, not with modern technology or the assistance of tamed animals.

Not a huge fan of horse riding to the extent it's done in the UK, nor the feudal system of land ownership generally.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35748668)

Few things are quite such a grim site as seeing a bunch of twunts in their red and white twunt uniforms riding out to chase down, exhaust and in turn kill animals for fun.

I say repeal the ban on condition that it's made legal to hunt fox hunters using motor vehicles and guns. The odds are pretty much as fair for them on horses as they are for foxes being chased by them and a pack of dogs.

While we're at it ban all hunting that isn't hand to hand or sustenance. If people want to follow barbaric customs they can do it in the manner barbarians would, not with modern technology or the assistance of tamed animals.

Not a huge fan of horse riding to the extent it's done in the UK, nor the feudal system of land ownership generally.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35748713)

The odds were fairer to the fox pre ban, one hunt reported killing more foxes in one day after the ban with the aid of rifles than it did in the entire year previously. You're including fishing in your sweeping ban proposal?

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35748727)

Neanderthal hunting, now that would be fun to do.

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Since when have fishermen been seen baying like animals and spreading the blood of there victims on the new members of there club. Since when have fishermen ripped there fish apart when still alive for fun ???. Fox hunters are Neanderthals simple as that reminiscent of a barbaric age where we killed for fun and sport.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35748734)

Neanderthals killed to eat. They hunted animals and gathered nuts, berries and cereals in order to survive. Being successful in that context means killing cleanly, only taking what you need, when you need it, and not frightening away your food source by yelling and screaming. "Neanderthal" is possibly the worst description for someone who hunts for recreation, regardless of the method they use.

In any case, I always thought you had a principled objection to the unnecessary suffering and death of animal life - it seems from what you're saying now that you're just a class warrior. Or am I misreading you?

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35748695)

the gun isn't modern unless its still the 13th century ;)

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35748713)

The odds were fairer to the fox pre ban, one hunt reported killing more foxes in one day after the ban with the aid of rifles than it did in the entire year previously. You're including fishing in your sweeping ban proposal?

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35748727)

Neanderthal hunting, now that would be fun to do.

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Since when have fishermen been seen baying like animals and spreading the blood of there victims on the new members of there club. Since when have fishermen ripped there fish apart when still alive for fun ???. Fox hunters are Neanderthals simple as that reminiscent of a barbaric age where we killed for fun and sport.

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35748777)

Misreading me, i don't care what there class is. I asked about the fishing because it's there first line of defense in all conversations about fox hunting ;)

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35748779)

There were hunting rifles in the 13th century? Wow, must read up on my history.

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Twunts will be twunts.

Fishing is tricky as, of course, they can generally be put back to carry on with their life and aren't as smart as mammals. Between that and their short memories it's tempting to say that it's okay but, to be honest, it isn't, at least for recreation.

Once a fox has been killed to satisfy the blood-lust of a bunch of Hooray Henries on horseback however it's a slightly different equation.

Hooray Henry hunting I can, however, get on board with.

EDIT: I should add that I'm also in favour of a ban on hunting rifles / shotguns without a damn good reason to own one. I don't consider the view that shooting largely defenceless animals is an essential pre- or post-getting hammered on champagne and gin on a weekend activity as a damn good reason. A good quantity of the twunts who engage in such behaviour likely spend the majority of their waking time in urban environments and are about as rural as I am.

Well, those who didn't inherit half the country do, as they may actually have to work for a living. Albeit in a job that pays a ton but they are completely inept in that mummy/daddy got for them post-public school.

Now that is class warfare ;)

Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35776709)

So, a manifesto pledge for a free vote to repeal the hunting act.

I wonder how that will go.....

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35780394)

What's change in ten years, bugger all so why is Dave wasting more parliamentary time on this

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/eart...y-changed.html

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35780412)

Nothing's changed. It was an illiberal piece of class hatred when it was enacted and it still is. Bad law has no place on the books.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35780499)

Anyone who gets their kicks hunting animals should be hunted themselves. Just to get the odds similar to those the animals have they get absolutely no weapons of any kind and are hunted by a team with high powered rifles, helicopters and land-based vehicles of their choice out in the middle of nowhere.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35780499)

Agree it's a bad law. Ban hunting entirely, with or without dogs, job done.

Hunting of animals for entertainment is a revolting, inhumane activity that belongs in the past along with the nauseating rituals that seem to accompany it.

Where there are genuine issues with population that need addressing because we've completely messed up the natural population controls they can be addressed on a case by case basis.

Obviously this is wishful thinking given this is the government that, in complete contradiction to evidence based policy, insisted on what has ended up as a counter-productive badger cull.

Anyone who gets their kicks hunting animals should be hunted themselves. Just to get the odds similar to those the animals have they get absolutely no weapons of any kind and are hunted by a team with high powered rifles, helicopters and land-based vehicles of their choice out in the middle of nowhere.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35780666)

Don't mean to be pedantic, but "ban hunting entirely" you've just made the commercial fishing industry illegal.

Fishing, trawling et al, is effectively hunting, as opposed to farming.

You have to be clear on the definition, like any law the devil is in the wording.

Hunting for entertainment, yes I can see the point. But there are forms of hunting that are acceptable.

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35788320)

Looks like the vote to relax rules on fox hunting will be a big failure for the Government.




http://news.sky.com/story/1518344/sn...nge-in-england

This might be the only time i have agreed with anything the SNP has done.

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35788320)

Looks like the vote to relax rules on fox hunting will be a big failure for the Government.




http://news.sky.com/story/1518344/sn...nge-in-england

This might be the only time i have agreed with anything the SNP has done.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35788367)

Clever move by the SNP this.

Hopefully the extra time gives more opportunity for English and Welsh MPs to be worked on over this barbaric relic of a by-gone era.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35788371)

It'll be back in the Autumn after we've barred the jocks from voting on it.

If ever you needed a reason for English votes on English laws this is a shining example.

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35788382)

I really do think there are far more pressing issues for HMG to be using parliamentary time for. Next week they'll be off on their summer recess and shutting up shop until September.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35788367)

Clever move by the SNP this.

Hopefully the extra time gives more opportunity for English and Welsh MPs to be worked on over this barbaric relic of a by-gone era.

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35788572)

So, it's quite clearly not about the foxes then

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35788703)

Has it EVER been about the foxes....?


Nope.

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35788708)

Its all about the sport and the addiction of watching an animal ripped to shreds before there eye's to give them some sort of gratification.

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35788715)

Nope wrong again.

That may be what your concerned about, but I can guarantee that when the ban was first proposed and this subsequent bollocks with the SNP, the fox is purely an after thought.

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35788771)

so why not leave the foxes alone and hunt the SNP with dogs;)

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35788715)

Nope wrong again.

That may be what your concerned about, but I can guarantee that when the ban was first proposed and this subsequent bollocks with the SNP, the fox is purely an after thought.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35898103)

Can't see it happening no matter how big the majority

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7725346.html

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35898106)

Wonder of it will be in the manifesto ?! We all love to go foxhunting at the weekend !

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35898107)

l reckon it will be Mr K.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35898109)

I'd put money on it not being in there, to many of the little people are against it

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35898136)

The basis on which it was passed in the first place was illegal. It was passed in return for more than £1m in donations to the Labour party.

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35898169)

That's the bloody Fox lobby for you. The most powerful lobby in Westminster.

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35898179)

Theresa May announces she wants to bring back fox hunting.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7726506.html

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35898181)

political suicide

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35898114)

beating the crap out of fox hunting hooray's is a fantastic sport and good for foxes .

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35898183)

Agreed. I did it when i was in my teens :)

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35898182)

You would think so papa but l doubt it..

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35898179)

Theresa May announces she wants to bring back fox hunting.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7726506.html