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When all they have left is to resort to personal attacks then the argument is won. Why else would they move away from the subject and just attack the poster.

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Pardon my ignorance, but hasn't each card its own ID? If VM see the same card being used twice, can't they shut both down?

No doubt "it doesn't work like that" :)

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If they use a Virginmedia card and the number is known it will be wiped from the network.;)

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Well most the new boxes have "built in" cardsharing, so I was referring to those rather than needing a seperate cardsharing sub. They're the ones that most people are going to gravitate towards because they're the easiest to use, and also the easiest to block.


The main reason why VM won't be too worried about cardsharing though is because if you're getting into cardsharing it makes MUCH more sense to just get a satellite. Cardsharing on cable is like stealing a skoda when there's a ferrari parked next to it with the keys still in the ignition.

As for cards being able to be linked to cardsharing servers, not really. The cardsharing servers only respond to requests that won't identify the card, you're not going to track a sub by just querying the cardsharing server and it giving up the cards ID numbers, the only requests it responds to are decoding the ECMs to give the control words, which aren't going to give away anything. Any cardsharing client that starts making requests that would reveal the cards identity would be quickly blocked because they're designed not to.

It's no where near as simple as seeing a card being used twice, only the original card will ever be seen on the network, the clients never appear on the network and all the clients ever know is the codewords to descramble the signal. The only way to detect it would be to detect that that card was being used in a 3rd party receiver and prevent them from working outside of authorised stbs. That's the real cat and mouse game, one that Sky have been playing for many many years.

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from what i have read thedons post above sort of sums it up.

ps oh and i never called anyone names i just said that the said member posts justlike a sat/cable scene guy would post!

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There are those that take a great interest in how the system works and for a reason :)

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I wonder what that reason may be.https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2012/10/4.gif

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Love the smilies :tu:

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ha ha :D

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ha ha :D

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/10.gif

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well it wasnt a personal attack just an observation.:angel:

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Back on topic please

Concerning card sharing, most people seem to think that because they use VPN that VM can;t do anything about it. The most crucial detail is that VM don't need to stop the internet feed (they can do that though if they go through the correct channels no matter where in the world the server is based (all ISP's around the world sign up to certain conditions allowing them to use the backbones of the world)

Instead the easiest and fastest way is for VM to simply stop the card details being valid :D As all cards are sent out to a UK address and is the responsibility of an account holder this does also mean that they can ban addresses and/or people from ever gaining another account.. Even stolen cards can be cancelled like stolen credit/debit cards

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Again, IF you can find out what card is being used.

It's really not a simple process to do that. You can't track it by an attack on the cardsharing server because they're well protected against such things, the cardsharing server is never going to reply with anything that would identify the subscriber.

It really is amazing how there's such a big cottage industry built around cable, so many boxes that exist solely to illegally obtain service and nothing seems to be able to be done against the manufactures.

Back at the start at least the boxes were foreign market ones that had been modified so they at least once had a legitimate use, now they're all purpose built and I really can't see how they can be so openly sold.

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At the end of the day if your getting services in such a manner then you're nothing but a tight arsed git! And good luck to you when it all ends and hopfully get a stonking great big fine!! Yeah we have all these arguments saying that the channels are sent through anyway and the company is not losing money. But if you want it, PAY FOR IT! I don't take a newspaper from outside a garage and not pay cos it ain't in the shop do I?

I just love it when I goto the local and the people complain about virgin saying they took away their channels that they were not even paying for the in the first place and they were moving to Sky. Makes sense hey :rolleyes:

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i totally agree..thank god you cant download newspapers or cars or houses for that matter,society would crumble imho

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I think technology has a fair bit to go before we can download physical entities like houses and cars;)

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Beam me up Scotty.:D

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Damn!

*Cancels order for replicator from the guy down the pub*

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:D:D:D:D

I wondered why this phaser wasn't working.

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With the rapid advances in 3D printing maybe it's not that far!

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im surprised this subject is still going, Chipped Cable stopped working months ago didnt it or has N3 been cracked?

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No N3 has not been cracked.:)

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Some areas are still being done.

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This thread though is to all intents and purposes defunct as we have the smartcard thread.:)

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Why do you keep trying to close down the threads??

The other thread is about the distribution of the cards and what to do with them, where as this thread is about the effects it will have on pirated boxes...

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This thread is about illegal boxes going down which the majority will have gone down soon, and the other thread is about the customers receiving their legit cards so one or the other will no longer be needed soon which is great news.

I cannot close a thread as you well know but feel that the smartcard thread has more of an impact now.:)

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LoL this thread is full of moaning whining old ladies. Who cares if someone gets some thing for free? Your just jealous cos you never had the balls to do it. In my estimation ive saved thousands of pounds in tv and internet subscription fees. Money thats been better spent elsewhere.
But yeah it sucks that theyve all been turned off, but remember, theres a way around everything and eventually the boxes (and modems) will be back on and this forum will start its bitching again :)

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:LOL: and you spent time and effort joining just to spout that drivel :)

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Watch Out! There's a Thief About! :bsmack:

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Very sad indeed :LOL:

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As opposed to the other other forums where various Cable thieves are currently bitching because their box has gone offline? Or the bitching done by the people who have in all innocence bought a dead hacked cable box from ebay because the previous "owner' sold it on when it failed? How much money have they saved?

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are you daft enough to take the risk?

if you walked into HMV and helped yourself to CDs and DVDs without paying, the risk is getting caught and prosecuted for shoplifting.

same as stealing cable services, but the fines are bigger.

my former employer got £40,000 fine

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Guys, It must be feeding time under the bridge ;);)

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I just wonder on what he has spent the money he has "saved". Must have some conscience if he actually BUYS something :rolleyes:

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Hmm, Mapperley eh ? Not too far away.

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Please don't feed the troll, ladies.

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Seems this thread just goes around and around and around and ar........

Makes me Dizzy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU_rq...eature=related

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I seem to recall you joining another forum and quite frankly being abusive..But then again thats you all over...

Whats it called Pot...Kettle...Black.... :clap:

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What Sirius does on another forum is between him and the members and admins of that forum. Do not bring it here.

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Nearly, im in Hucknall, not too far away.

It takes two minutes, not as long as it took you to think up a reply :o:

Dont pay the fine, let them take you to claims court (its a private matter, not criminal)and get declared bankrupt. Nothing to lose.

Drugs, beer, a new plasma TV and a PS3 to name a few.

And yes you all got trolled.
Again
Tolololololololololol :dunce:

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My very first reply to anything here since I joined a year or so again, and all i can say is .... sigh! ;)

[edit, ooh, second post, sorry !]

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Downloading from P2P is a private (copyright) matter, where as theft of services (dodgy boxes) is a criminal matter.. Glad to see you have no idea of the difference...

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Noob, Virgin cant do [anything] apart from take you to private court.

[MOD EDIT - Inappropriate attempt to get around swear filter]

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They can and will prosecute.... anyway haven't you got some shoplifting to do? :rolleyes:

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That, take drugs, smack the missus about, watch Jeremy Kyle to see if any of his extended family are on it.

Anyway he'll go back under the bridge soon enough.

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Wrong. It is counted as theft (actually obtaining services by deception), and therefore a criminal offence.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft_A...s_by_deception . Specifically section three under that heading.

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Wrong.

It's not counted as theft at all.

It's counted as "fraudulently receiving programmes" in section 297 of the copyright designs and patents act (1988), with the maximum punishment being "a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale."

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Off this very forum:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/...-set-top-boxes

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Fraud Act 2006:You can get taken to a criminal court for obtaining subscription TV services by deception. Once there you can get a fine or some time in jail.

Although I can't say I'm surprised you didn't know this.

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Wrong. This has been superseded by the Fraud Act 2006, which deliberately treats intent to gain by deception as essentially the same sort of behaviour as is governed by the Theft Act.

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The act I quoted STILL makes it a criminal offence, just one that doesn't carry the risk of jail time.

There is no deception involved in hooking up an illegal receiver.

Do you want to tell the CPS they've got their facts wrong?

Just to make it easy for you:

That is the legal guidance to prosecutions, as it stands NOW. The CPS say it's still charged under that, ergo, it's STILL charged under that.

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not really, especially when he copys and pastes quotes from another forum to here..Its not only being desrepectful to other forums but also it's disrespectful to this forum when members lower themselves and bring the good name of this forum into question..Are all members here like him?

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So he is being disrespectful to forums that condone theft................
















....................long may it continue as theft is theft however you dress it up.

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Yes, there is. Just to make it easy for you:

And, for the avoidance of doubt, some guidance on the above from our good friends at the CPS, with emphasis added by me:

Given that the above is guidance, and not a complete re-statement of the law, I think it is safe for us to assume that the paragraph I have bolded can be taken to apply to chargeable cable services also.

Perhaps you are getting yourself confused because you are arguing about the way the CPS prosecutes people who manufacture, import or distribute modified receivers?

On the other hand, had you paused for breath before wading in, you might have spotted that FreeCableFor8Yrs was bragging about his personal use of a box and that both Stuart and I responded to him on that basis.

The chunk of CPS guidance you helpfully quoted is very clearly not discussing crimes related to personal use.

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I say again.

What Sirius does on another forum is between him and the members and admins of that forum. Do not bring it here.

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And again, not if he brings it back to this forum..If he wants to discuss and been anti-social on other forums so be it but do not bring it back to this forum as you clearly put it.

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Theft is theft but there is still no call for to be disrespectful to forum rules and to people in general.



..........No matter how you dress it up..

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You had the answer to that from the team.

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Can we please now get back on track as the troll is gone

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Stealing cable should be dealt with by flogging.

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What grade of cable do you recommend?

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Rg 213??

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the old BT twisted metal phone wire.

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with bare flared out braid.

Failing that, some Andrews Heliax ought to do the trick

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Would you like to post the evidence, I have never done that so PROVE IT because as far as i am concerned that's a bare faced LIE

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Get back on topic.

Any further deviations may attract infractions.

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And again Produce the evidence or stfu

Sorry Stuart did not see your post untill after i posted

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It's not a question of having the balls, it's a case of not having the inclination. I don't have the inclination to steal a DVD from a shop either which is effectively what you are doing but hiding behind an electronic mask. Try shoplifting and let us know how you get on (or maybe you already have, what with your big brass ones and all).

Sorry, I'm catching up on the latest posts and have since noticed that this point has already been made but I still thought it was worth repeating.

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CT-100

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yeah water off a ducks back, I read your posts and i dont need to prove anything...

p.s

nice language stfu....did you pull that from a dictionary...A sign of one's intelligence when they resort to dare I even say "bullish" posts.

"This thread shows how stupid you chavs are" Remember this ?

end of rant

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Should i because it was not me who posted that.

Tell you what you keep on the medication and it will set you straight in the end :)

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whatever you want to say..but you do need help./

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Nagra 3 must be very successful. The lack of TV seems to allow the thieves to spend more time on internet forums. ;)

If so many of them don't care, because they got away with it for so many years, why do they come across as being so angry. :D:D

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Wonder how many boxes have now been dumped in the bin or sold on to unsuspecting buyers on ebay ?

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Quite a few I bet :D

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There, I corrected your post for you. ;)

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Thank you. How did i fail to post that :D

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Well I can't believe how open people are about chipped boxes, my cousin (not by choice) boasted to me about having a chipped box, I did laugh knowing her TV box would not work soon hehehe

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Belfast. Starviews are dead.

:-D Loving the new moves Vm... Sky 1 HD and the freeloaders getting kicked all in the same day!

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Christmas has come early for some :)

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Yes... we cut them all off last night :cleader:

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Really nice work. :D

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It was indeed :tu:

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Excellent. How are plans going to get the card sharers off the network?

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How hilarious.:p::p::p::p:

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Shh, don't spoil the mutual appreciation society and love-in about fixing the CA system after over half a decade of people getting free service.

Both sides of the discussion are entertaining nonetheless.

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Indeed. I would be interested in your take on cs though Ignition. Can they find and prosecute cs users on cable? I know broadband is your specialist subject but I'm sure you can diversify. ;)

Edit: to say my interest is purely because I am hoping that they can stop all illegal access to cable. I have no interest in obtaining services illegally myself and never have.

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I'm just happy they can't steal anymore. Anymore being the operative word.

Card sharers are another thing, my interpretation of this is a neighbour running an extra box into their house? If that's how it's done then I think it will be a tiny tiny problem. Broken Blighty afterall... who talks to their neighbours? lol

I certainly wouldn't agree to someone using kit in my name, family, friend or neighbour.

edit: and wouldn't a tech passing by see a cable running from one house to the other?

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Is that the same type of love in for DPI :)

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If people are stupid enough to use legitimately registered cable modems to contact CS servers then yes they can be found.

If people are using illegitimate modems they can probably be found.

If people are using alternative ISPs they may be found - this relies on compromising the CS server to get a list of IP addresses and then dishing out court orders which frankly isn't worth the time, easier to just take the thing offline and be done with it.

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I don't remember anyone clapping or applauding or cheering, perhaps some people appreciating the need for the stuff or that there's a point behind it.

If you can point out where people were going yay DPI, :clap: :clap: cheerleading and gloating over it that would be good. Kinda odd applauding a company doing what a company should do and protecting their network to be quite honest and the troll baiting makes you no better than the people who are doing the trolling.

A quick bit of satisfaction at the work was cool, it's a good thing after all, the ongoing gloat-fest every time an area gets shut down is really quite bizarre. Of course if you really have nothing else to feel enthusiastic about and such things really turn you all on that much to each their own.

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Card sharing is basically taking the output from a single legitimate card and transmitting it across the Internet to however many illegitimate boxes so that they have the information they need to decrypt the TV signal.

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Thanks.

Bit over my head there. :erm:

Needless to say I wouldn't be participating in that either.

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Good call.

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Grumpy git. why do you think i put the smile at the end of my post, But hey if you want to get all uppity about it then sorry.

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Roger that - how many areas are left or is it now all done?

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You know me so well :)

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Indeed :)

As for the areas i think its pretty close to the end now. The land fill sites will see an increase in dodgy box dumping as the last of the ebay sales draw to a close and the thieving gits will not be able to con another thieving git into buying a door stop. :LOL:

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All we know is customers are now dropping channels unless they have a new card.;)

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Not really what I asked and that's nothing new it's been happening for several months area by area as I'm sure you're aware.

See through the fervour and answer the question if possible, is the deployment of the new crypto now complete?

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Not sure if staff can give you that answer m8

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Thanks for the answer Ignitionnet. That is just what I wanted to know.